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Welcome to the show. Hey, hope you had a good weekend. I had a good weekend. Busy weekend.

My birthday was getting older. Oh, wow. And, you know, all kinds of stuff and busy. All right. Hey, look, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 8772072276. I want to hear from you. Give me a call. Today's date is December 11th, 2023.

2023. All right. And let's see, I'm looking for something.

I can't find it. And so, yeah, we have one open line. Question that's going to come up here in a second. Anyway, no big deal. All right. So half show today.

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I think that's it. Let's just jump on the phones here. Let's get to Mike. Let's see.

There we go. Mike from St. Petersburg, Florida. Hey, Mike. Welcome. You're on the air. How you doing, Matt? I'm getting to be a fan here.

I'm looking at your stuff online. And I was looking to formulate my question real quick. I was watching your debate with this Orthodox guy and his name was Father or Friar Deacon Dr. Ananias from 2020. And you pressed him on the Word of God. And you said, Can I use the Word of God when witnessing to a Mormon? And he said no, surprisingly. And then you wanted to go to Scripture and you kept trying to get him to go to Scripture.

And, and it was it was the most amazing thing I ever saw. And then when you finally read the Scripture to him that you wanted to deal with, he never ever gave you his analysis of the Scripture. And my question is, this is so I don't know, surprising to me or bizarre to me or something. What would what would an Orthodox Bible study look like? I mean, what would they do? Could you give me a little psychological analysis of this? I'm just mystified by this. Well, first of all, that was an impromptu discussion.

It wasn't a thing set up. And a friend of mine, Matt, yesterday was in the room. And when this kind of challenge came up, and sometimes what I'll do is I'll say to people, Okay, fine, let's do it right now.

Let's just go. And I'll open up a file and I'll take notes while we're talking and stuff like that. And that's what this was. He was here in my notes. This is from whatever. It was a while back.

Yeah, in July of 2022. So my notes here are, he was extremely rude, illogical, was apparently very afraid of going to the Word of God to check something out. It took well over an hour before I could get him finally to even look at Scripture. I wanted him to look at Colossians 2, 13, and 14 to see if his understanding of it agreed with Eastern Orthodox theology. When we finally got there, he wouldn't even analyze it.

One more paragraph. He kept saying throughout the whole time that I didn't have the right paradigm, his paradigm, to justify believing in the Word of God. Of course, I didn't give him any reason why I do believe in the Word of God. But he dismissed because I did.

Oh, I would give him. Yeah, I'd give him several reasons why I believed it, but he dismissed them. He kept saying I didn't have the right to interpret God's Word. And if I didn't defend it from where it came from, yeah, I remember that now.

I answered his challenges many times and he refused to answer me. So yeah, he was not very logical. He was just behaving like a cultist.

You can understand something here. Imagine the Eastern Orthodox Church as well as the Roman Catholic Church. Just imagine a group that takes Jesus, puts him on the side, discounts him, and then puts the church where Jesus belongs. The church is the way, the truth, and the life. The church has the authority to forgive you of your sins. The church has the authority to interpret Scripture. The church gave us the Word. In other words, the church is their idol. It's called ecclesiology.

They worship and serve the church. And some of the properties of that kind of mentality is exactly what you saw with this guy. He would not face the Scriptures, was afraid to look at the Scriptures, wouldn't commit to anything in the Scriptures. He kept saying, I don't have the right to interpret, which is ridiculous. And I think even with that one, I usually do this with people who say something like that. I say, let's go to John 11.35 where it says, Jesus wept. And I say, I believe what it means is that, oh, I did?

Okay. And I said, I believe that means he wept. So I don't even remember what he said. What did he say in response to that? Well, it was something like, well, yeah, I guess. You know, he just wouldn't answer you at all. And he wouldn't even agree that the Scripture you went to was the Word of God and just talk to you about what it meant. It was amazing. Yeah, I was a cultist.

Here's some more notes. He failed to demonstrate how he knows the counsels are true because he kept appealing to counsels. And we had to appeal to the same thing I did, the Holy Spirit, yet he complains what I do. He falsely accused me in several areas that I'm an evidentialist and I'm not. I answered him in different ways about how I affirm the Word of God. And he ignored them as he had justified the Word based on John 10. Okay. I said the church fathers contradict each other. Corrected him on several things. Never said I reject Scripture. I don't deny extra biblical.

Yeah, just stuff. He was afraid. My notes say he was afraid of Colossians 2, 13, and 14. He kept saying something like he knew how the debate would go or something and he wouldn't let you do it or something. And why did he even talk to you if he wouldn't let you counterpoint him? You know, I just couldn't figure.

I just thought this was amazing to me. Now, at the risk of sounding a little boastful, I'm not trying to do that. It's just that I have a reputation and I'm kind of known in certain areas.

And so they like to bolster themselves by saying, hey, I've debated and defeated Matt Slick. For example, I was in a debate with a Muslim and I was in on two different computers. I was in the room with my regular name and in the room with a different name.

So they didn't know I was in the room. And when I was going to leave and I did when I left after everything was over, I just paid attention to the other computer to see what they would say. I remember this very clearly that I was able to answer everything this Muslim said and he couldn't answer very much of what I said.

This was repeated for two hours. It was pretty obvious. Then I left and then I just listened on the other computer how people said, all the Muslims said, how he destroyed me, how I couldn't answer anything. And I was a fool. And it became very obvious to me that just the cult mind, you see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear, and that's it.

And that's what Ananias did. In fact, the room was full of Eastern Orthodox people. I found them to be very rude and condescending in the corresponding chat area. A guy named Jay Dyer was exceedingly condemning and rude and would interrupt the debate and personally attack me. The moderators let this kind of thing happen several times. I had to rebuke the moderators for the lack of control. In fact, I was even muted and kicked out of the room. I finally got back in and tore into the moderators right away. I asked them why they would allow such horrible treatment.

I was offered a casual apology, but the abuse continued. So yeah. Yeah. And you shut that down, though. You wouldn't let Dyer look, I'm not here to debate the gang of you, you know, I'm here to debate to one guy or talk to the one guy. So you shut that down very effectively, I thought, you know, but, you know, I like to give everybody I like Jay Dyer, I think he's brilliant on some things.

But he keeps defending this Eastern Orthodox. And then you debated, who was that, the Catholic guy, Son Jenas, about the Roman Catholic Church. And it's a similar thing, but that was very cordial.

That was very nice. But Son Jenas, I like his CEO separate. A lot of people don't know that Son Jenas and I had three discussions. And I'll just be honest, the first, we did three radio discussions a week apart on my radio show when I was here in Boise. And I think he did better than I did on the first one. If there was, you know, who won that discussion, I would have given it to him.

Seriously. And I'm like, who is this guy? He knows a lot of stuff.

And I started studying. The second one, in my honest opinion, it was about even. The third time we met, he was up against the ropes. I remember he changed the topic repeatedly, made a lot of mistakes. I was calling him on a bunch of stuff. I said, you said this, but now that, you know, and then the fourth one we're supposed to have, he was a no-show. We couldn't get ahold of him anymore.

So you remember that, oh yeah, that's right. We still haven't discussed what he agreed to discuss with me, which was Mary. He said, I'll do that after we have our discussions on doctrines of salvation. I said, okay. And then when we did it, he didn't show.

He broke his word. So I remember your, you know, the assumption of Mary and all that. And you pinned him down to, I mean, anyway, go ahead and talk. I'm sorry. No, I want to hear it.

Go ahead and say what you can say. You pinned him down to what? Well, you pinned him down through this assumption of Mary and it appeared, you know, they discussed it in the year 600 or something, and then it was codified by Pope Pius or something.

And then, you know, but that's 600 years after, you know, where's your succession and where's your, you know, what do you call it, apostolic succession and all that stuff. You know, none of those guys, when you press them on it, they don't seem to have an answer. No, they don't. They don't. Now, there are some very intelligent people who are more gifted at argumentation, and I've had to counter several of them. And they're quite good, and you really got to pay attention.

And here's the thing. They only have to be an expert in their one field. I have to be an expert in multiple fields. So, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism with Atheism.

I have to know philosophy and science and things like this. So, it's always a challenge for me. You know, it's a good challenge. But nevertheless, I'm glad that you listened to it. But if you just put in your head, they replaced Jesus with their church and truth is found in their church, then it'll make sense why they are the way they are. Okay?

Well, that does make a lot of sense. And I hope I don't wear you out. I've called a couple times lately, and I just enjoy talking to you and listening to your answers to this stuff. Because I've been a Christian now 30 years. I'm a student of the Bible, but I work full-time, so I can't do it to the level you do.

But I really appreciate it. I've got my stable of theologians I go to in commentaries and whatnot. And lately, until you become as popular as Rush Limbaugh, I hope I can keep calling you in. That's all. Well, I'm never going to get that popular because I'm too opinionated and too biblical.

And let's just say that's closed doors, even within Christianity. Let's just say that. Okay? Okay.

Well, I enjoy it very much. And I like the strong stance with the scripture only, you know, and all that. Amen. That's how it's supposed to be.

God's word. Hey, we've got to go, buddy. There's the music for the break. Okay? All right, thank you, sir. All right, man. God bless. Keep listening.

All right. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

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Let's get to, let's see, Jose from Texas. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, man. Can you hear me?

Hello? Yeah, I can. Got it. Okay. Yep. Hey, man. Just a quick question. I got to get a book as a gift.

It's called Unseen Realm by Michael S. Heiser. And that's really good for a doorstop. It's a good doorstop. Really? Yep. Okay.

Doorstop. Yes. Yeah. He says, like, when he said on Psalm 82 that a divine counsel, it's pretty much an assembly of lesser divine figures, if I'm not mistaken.

It's basically decided by a higher supreme being, what I'm guessing is Yahweh. What are your thoughts on Psalm 82? If you can give me like a little just quick review on that book.

Yeah. He shreds Psalm 82, and I'll explain what it really means. But he is the one, I've got his book open.

I have it in Kindle. And so what he says is it's the quarantined realm, this interaction with the human realm, the morning stars saying that means they were divine beings. It could be angels, but they're not. They're other divine beings that God created, and they're rulers. And it's like, where'd you get all this stuff? And it gets from Psalm 82, mainly.

Yeah. And so when you go to Psalm 82, you've got to understand it's what's called an imprecatory Psalm. An imprecation is a wish of harm upon someone. And these are Psalms. They're called imprecatory Psalms. They're basically Psalms where the psalmist says, God, get them. Deal with them.

You just discipline them. Okay? So I'm going to read to you, it's only eight verses, I'm going to read to you Psalm 82. We'll go through it little by little. But I want you to understand something here, because what it's saying is in verse 7, you will die like men and fall like any one of the princes.

Okay? So that's, it's a judgment. God, this is verse 1, God takes a stand in his own congregation. He judges in the midst of the rulers.

Now the word there is Elohim. How long will you judge unjustly and show partial honor to the wicked? Who's he talking to? These divine beings in heaven?

Of course not. He's talking to the unrighteous judges on earth, the people in the Jewish nation who were in a place of extreme power. And they could decide life and death and they were not showing the proper judgment to the people. God is mocking them through the psalmist. He says, go on, vindicate the weak and fatherless. Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. Rescue the weak and needy. Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked. Is this the divine gods that he's talking about up there? No, he's talking to the judges on earth. Do what's right. He says they do not know nor do they understand.

They walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken. I said, you are gods. Now this is important because Jesus quotes this in John 10-34 when the Jews said, you know, they're going to kill him. He said, why do you want to kill me?

You know, you being a man, make yourself to be God. He says it's not written in your law. He said that your law, you know, you're gods. That was a condemnation by God upon the wicked judges and he's applying it to the Jews.

They want to kill him. I said, you are gods and all of you are son of the most high. Nevertheless, you will die like men and fall like any one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth for it is you who possesses the nations. That's the context.

And Michael Heiser, in my opinion, blew it badly. And he's let a lot of people astray with this doctrine of his. Okay. Right. Would you consider I know he passed away already. I think he passed away a year ago or so. So would you guys consider him from teaching this stuff a false teacher or? The only thing I can tell you about him is what he's written here and I believe what he wrote was false. How much of a false teacher? I don't know. I like to know his theology, soteriology, Christology, hermartiology.

I like to know all those to be able to save his in or out. Because I'm not a judge, but I know what the essentials of the Christian faith are. You can have a mistake like this and still be a Christian.

But if you're denying Jesus, you're not a Christian, of course, you know, so I don't know all the other particulars. But the thing is, I it's just he's caused problems and this idea of gods and divine beings. Yeah.

And then I did also notice that there is no Mormon voting Michael Heiser. And I kind of didn't like that. Right.

And as you as a reference to like, kind of defender. So I just didn't know where they were coming from. I read this book, by the way.

I just know by the intro, I've heard reviews, and it's pretty good reviews and some, you know, bad reviews. But I was kind of surprised that Michael Brown, Darryl Boggs, some of these scholars, they have promoted his book at the end of the book. They've been promoting his book. I wouldn't ever promote it.

I would never promote it. Okay. Yeah. All right, buddy. All right. Thank you, Matt.

Thank you, Matt. Thanks for that. Okay. All right. God bless. All right. We've only got another time for one more call.

Angie, I think, from Youngsville, North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, thank you so much for all of your knowledge. I have two part question. My preacher has said that you need to be a member of a church, not necessarily that church, but a church in order to take communion. And I had never heard that, and I would just like your take on that, please, sir. Sure.

I'm going to go through it quickly because you're almost out of time, and then I've got to go at the end of the break here to do something else tonight. Okay. So nothing in the Bible says you have to be a church member in order to have communion. They have the right as a particular church to say that only sworn in members can take it. They can say that if they want, and they can administrate it because that's what they can do. But nothing in the Bible says thou shalt be a member of a local body in order to be able to take communion. Nothing in the scripture says that. So I always take umbrage with that when someone says that. I go, well, wait a minute. You're saying I'm not worthy of...

I've trusted in Christ. I can't take communion because I don't have a membership thing, and I don't believe in membership of the church because it's not in the Bible. So I reject that idea. I'm not knocking if people want to do that. That's fine.

That's them. I don't see it. I don't want to submit to it because that's just not me.

Okay. So now I can't ever take communion, according to that guy. See the ridiculousness? Well, I haven't let it stop me from doing it. I continue to take communion because I know where I am with the Lord, you know? And I disagree with it, so I haven't let it stop me. And I wanted to talk to him about it, but I don't want to open a can of worms because I truly enjoy going to that church.

It's a good church. And that's the only thing that has really been bothering me. We'll talk to him about it.

We've got to go because there's the music. Talk to him about it. Let me know. Let me know what he says, okay? Thank you so much. Thank you. All right.

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That's not too much. Hopefully it's okay. We'll get back on with Anthony. He's still there. You still there, buddy?

Yes. All right. Now, I forget where we were.

Where were we? So which sins does God not allow people to commit? Well, he lets you commit all kinds of sins. That's why they exist.

Yeah, so I guess theoretically it's possible that a believing Christian might murder someone in cold blood, an innocent person. I would have to. What's the point of all this? What's the point? Because I believe Jesus taught that people can't commit these sins or else they're not going to get into heaven. And you're having a hard time giving me a yes or no answer here. Because your questions aren't very precise.

That's why. It's on your fault, not mine. You don't understand the issue sufficiently to be able to articulate a very competent, well-formed question. Okay? You want the answer?

Normally I won't tell someone that on the air, but I'm telling you. You don't know the situations and the circumstances enough to be able to form the question properly. Okay, I've given you a hypothetical scenario. A Christian murders someone, and I just want to know, does that person go to heaven or not?

I don't see what's so difficult about that. Well, I already gave you a scenario where someone could murder someone on a heat of passion and have committed a great sin. And you could still go to heaven based on that. A premeditated thing, I'd say, was something different.

If you want a list of stuff, I can't give you a list because God doesn't provide that such a list. So you're telling me then, or are you saying then, that you go to heaven based on your goodness? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, I believe that's exactly what Jesus and the prophets taught. Okay. Are you being good enough? I don't know. I'll be judged when I die and stand before the throne.

That's what Islam says. They don't know if they're good enough. So you don't know if you're doing good enough good works. Let me ask you, do you think you probably are doing enough good works?

Or possibly? I would say I try to be good enough, but whether I am or not is up to God. So then it's possible that you could be doing enough to please God, right? I believe so. Okay. So what you're telling me here is that you believe that you are good enough, possibly good enough, to keep yourself right with the infinitely holy majestic God of the universe by your efforts.

That's possible, right? Well, I just want to be clear. It's not just me, but all people. It's within everyone's... We're talking about you. We're talking about you. Yeah, because you want to make me feel like I'm prideful. You are prideful. You're an arrogant fool.

You are an arrogant fool. You deny who God is. You deny who Christ is. You judge the scriptures. You judge what is true and what is false. You allow certain things in scripture or not. And then you have the arrogance to say that you have the possibility of keeping yourself right with the infinitely holy God by your effort.

What a fool! What an arrogant fool you are. Yeah, you are. That's what Jesus and his apostles and the Old Testament prophets taught, though. No, it's not. They taught that people had a right... No, it's not. Well, yes, it is.

No, it's not. You know, Moses in Deuteronomy said that the commandments were not too hard to obey. In 1 John, it says that the commandments were not... Where does it say that keeping those commandments gets you to heaven? It doesn't say that in that exact language, but it does clearly say that those who obey the commandments are blessed and those who disobey are... We're supposed to...

I got you. We're supposed to obey the commandments. Where does it say getting those commandments and doing them gets you to heaven?

Show me. You're the one who's referencing the law. In the Old Testament, it doesn't say it in that language, but in, you know, Jesus does teach that... Yes, it does. Yes, it does.

If you want to know. It talks about, I think, Deuteronomy 28, 26. Oh, where is that?

No, I'll go to Galatians, I think it's 3, I've been to lots. I've quoted this. Galatians 3, 10, where Paul is quoting the Old Testament in Deuteronomy 27, 26. Curse is everyone who does not abide by everything written in the book of the law to perform them. So you're the one who quoted in the Old Testament. So if you keep the law perfectly, you won't be cursed, will you?

Curse is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law to perform them. Are you keeping all of the law? Maybe I am. Maybe you are. Okay, so then the Bible says in the Old Testament to love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

Deuteronomy 6, 5. Are you loving God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength? I try to.

I didn't ask you to try. Are you? Again, we don't, you know, God will judge us based on how we perform. Okay, so you're not. Did Jesus ever sin?

I don't believe so. So are you keeping the law on the level of Jesus himself? I believe I'm keeping it to the extent that, you know, people can keep it to the extent that he taught it to us. So he actually quoted what I just referenced to you about love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. He referenced that in Matthew 22, 39, or actually 37. So he did that and then he quoted love your neighbor as yourself two verses later. And then in verse 40 he said this is summation of the law. He says Jesus never sinned. Then are you telling me that you're doing those two commandments, loving God and loving your neighbor on the same level as Jesus? Well, I believe people can do that, yes. Are you?

You! Are you doing keeping the law? Why does it matter if I'm doing it? Because I'm talking to you.

So are you able to keep the law on the same level as Jesus? This is a strategy aimed to make someone who makes this argument look prideful and arrogant and it's not about me. It's about all human beings. It's about you. We're talking about you, not all human beings.

Yeah, I could be the worst sinner on earth and it still doesn't change what Jesus taught. I got you. I'm asking you if you're keeping the law of righteousness on the same level as Jesus. That's what I'm asking you. Sorry, no I'm not. No, I'm not. How about that? I'll give that to you. No, I'm not.

Let's get this straight. Okay, good. I'm glad it took you that long to figure out and admit you're not on the same level as Jesus. It took a while, which means you were thinking maybe you could.

Tell me how you're not prideful and arrogant. Yeah, people, I believe all people can do it. It's within their capacity. I think that's what Jesus taught. I think that's what the Old Testament and New Testament taught. So, all people can, then why does it say that no one does good, no one can keep the law and everybody's sinned.

Why is that then? If everybody can. I think that's poetic, hyperbole, that's from the Psalms and the Bible speaks very frequently of righteous people. That there are righteous people and they're righteous on their own merit. Okay, there's that sound again, that ripping sound of you taking verses without looking at their context and understanding what's going on. This is why you don't know who Christ is. You do not know who God is and you are not a Christian. I'm not mad at you.

I'm just informing you. You agree with the truth that he's not God in flesh. You have the arrogance to say that's even a possibility for you to keep the law and that you're going to merit your position with God by your own goodness.

Now if that is an arrogant foolishness, I don't know what is. Can I ask you in your interpretation of a verse then? When 1 John says he who practices righteousness is righteous just as Christ is righteousness, what does that mean to you? What verse?

I believe it's 1 John chapter 3 or somewhere therein. If one who knows him also practices righteousness is born of him? No, I should have looked this up before. Yeah, you should.

You should look at that. If one who practices sin practices lawlessness? Oh yes, 1 John chapter 3 verse 7.

Little children, make sure no one deceive you. The one who practices righteousness is righteous just as Christ is righteous. It doesn't say just as Christ is righteous. It doesn't say that. Well, it says he is righteous and it's obviously referring to Christ.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm looking at the text that you said and reading it and you changed it to make it say what you want it to say. Well, who does the he refer to there?

You are so arrogant. You think you can keep God's law and then you have the right to alter the written word to make it fit what you want. Okay, well who does the he refer to there in your opinion? It's Jesus. But you said as Jesus was. Alright, thank you.

No, no, no, no, no. You changed the word. Okay, I did change the word to make it easier to understand. So don't change God's word to make it into what you want.

But what does it say? Let me ask you. Are you keeping the law? Are you as righteous as Jesus? One who practices righteousness is as righteous as Jesus. That's exactly what the verse says. Are you practicing righteousness on the same level as Jesus?

If I do what's righteous, I'm righteous as Jesus. I didn't ask if you did. Are you doing it? Are you doing it? Yes or no? No.

Yeah, then you're lost. You're condemned by your own words. Hey folks, there's a break. We've got to go. We've got callers waiting. We'll get to the next callers after the break.

That was an exercise that was worth you to hear to see what the foolishness of the world is apart from Christ. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the show. Hope you enjoyed the last conversation. Just trying to show you guys one of the ways of dealing with people who are lost.

Just one of the ways. Hey, let's get on the phones with, let's see, Noreen from Texas. Hey Noreen, welcome. You are on the air.

Noreen. Hello. Hello, how are you?

Fine, how are you? I'm hanging in there. I'm hanging in there. So what do you got? I'm 73. I'm 73.

I'm hanging tight. My question is, why are there two baptisms after the fall? When Ephesians 4-5 says one more, one faith, one baptism. Now, the one baptism... Wait, I'm trying to understand. Two baptisms after the fall, you said?

Is that what the word was? No, after the day of... Okay, well there's the baptism of the Holy Spirit, there's the baptism of water, there's two right there.

Okay. There shouldn't be. There shouldn't be two baptisms. Ephesians 4-5 is one law, one faith, and one baptism. Okay, which baptism is it? To verify that they are separate. Hold on a sec, hold on a sec, hold on a sec, please.

I'm asking you questions. Which baptism is it? Baptism of the Spirit or baptism of water?

That's the one. Baptism of the Spirit because baptism of Christ. Okay, so hold on, hold on. I just wanted an answer. I don't need a teaching from you. I don't know what you believe. In fact, what church do you go to? I don't.

I don't. Let me ask you, is the Trinity true? Is the Trinity true? No. Is Jesus God in flesh? I'm just asking you, is Jesus God in flesh? You cannot have not one righteous belief. It's it.

If it violates one other picture, it's not righteous belief. Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am. I'm going to put you on hold. I'm going to go outside tonight and see if it's a full moon.

Okay, let me try it again. Noreen, are you there? Yes.

Noreen? Yes. Okay, so is Jesus God in flesh? Just asking you, is he? Jesus was. Can you, is present tense Jesus God in flesh?

What's the answer? Yes or no? No. Okay, when he was walking on earth, was he God in flesh?

Yes. Okay, so you deny that he's a man right now, which means that you don't have an intercessor because Jesus is still a man. 1 Timothy 2.5 says there's one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus. That's 1 Timothy 2.5. It doesn't mean flesh. It doesn't mean flesh. It means what he acquired while in the flesh because no flesh can inherit the kingdom of God. Hold on a second.

No, no, no, no, no. It says flesh and bones cannot inherit the kingdom of God. But Jesus says that a spirit doesn't have flesh, excuse me, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God is what the phrase is. Jesus says, look and touch me for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. After his resurrection, he was flesh and bones. John 24 39. Do you deny that Jesus Christ, Noreen, do you deny that Jesus Christ rose from the dead in the same body he died in?

He's immoral but is not blessed. Jesus says, Jesus says in Luke 24 39, this is after his resurrection, see my hands and my feet. It is I myself touch me and see for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. Now, after the resurrection, did Jesus have flesh and bones?

No. Then you denied what Jesus just said about himself. Jesus does not have flesh and blood in heaven. I didn't say flesh and blood.

I said flesh and bones. You guys, you do this, everybody does this and change the word of God. You don't listen to the word of God. You listen, Noreen, Noreen, Noreen, Noreen, I got to put her on hold again.

She said she wants to dominate the show, not her show. Noreen, Jesus says he has flesh and bones. He says a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.

This is after his resurrection, after the crucifixion. So was Jesus wrong when he said that a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have? Was he wrong for saying that? Was he wrong?

Okay. Obviously, folks, this is another example of another person, two in a row, who denies who Christ really is. Ladies and gentlemen, Jesus Christ has God in flesh still. He emptied himself, Philippians 2, 5 through 8, became one of us. And he died on that cross and he rose from the dead in the same body he died in. As he prophesied in John 2, 19 through 21, destroy this temple in three days, I will raise it up. Speak in the temple of his body, John 2, 19 through 21. In 1 Corinthians 15, 35 through 45, it says that that which is sown in the ground is that which is raised.

It is sown perishable. It is raised imperishable. After the resurrection, Jesus says the spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. This is Luke 24, 39, when he said to them, see my hands and my feet.

Touch me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have. In John 20, 25, doubting Thomas said, he's risen?

I don't believe that. He said, we've seen the Lord. But he said to them, unless I see in his hands the imprint of the nails and put my finger into the place of the nails and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.

After eight days, his disciples were again inside and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut and stood in their midst and said, peace be with you. But he said to Thomas, reach here with your finger and see my hands and reach your hand and put it into my side and do not be unbelieving by believing. So Jesus is saying, put your hand into my side. In John 20, 27, in Luke 24, 39, he says, touch me. A spirit doesn't have flesh and bones as you see I have.

Now, I'm going to tell you something, ladies and gentlemen. What that woman was teaching is damnable. 1 Corinthians 15, 14, if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain. Your faith also is in vain. Moreover, we are found, we are even found to be a false witness of God because we testified against God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.

Paul saying, of course they're raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ was raised. And if Christ is not raised and your faith is worthless, you're still in your sins. So Jesus has to be Paul's teaching the resurrection of Christ, the bodily resurrection.

She denied the bodily resurrection and he's a man right now. And so this is a damnable doctrine and your faith is in vain. This is why it's important for all of you out there to know what the essentials of the Christian faith are. This is an essential of the Christian faith. You cannot have it, you cannot deny it, excuse me, and be a Christian. You can deny it ignorantly.

And then once you see it, you go, whoa, that's what it says? Okay, it's what I believe. That's different than arguing against us and refusing to repent. So if any of you out there deny that there's only one God in all the universe and you say there's many gods, you're not a Christian and you're lost, you're on the way to hell. If you deny openly, repeatedly, that the Trinity is true, you're lost, you're on the way to hell. If you deny that Jesus Christ is God in flesh, then and now, then you have denied the true living God, the true living Christ, and you are on your way to hell.

If you deny that justification is by faith alone and Christ alone, but you add baptism or you add sacraments or you add your own goodness in order to be saved and keep yourself right with the infinitely holy God, you are on your way to hell. The truth is that there's one God in all existence, all place, all time, not many gods, you can't become gods. God is a Trinity, not three beings, but one being in three distinct, simultaneous persons. The second one became Jesus. The divine nature and the human nature joined. We're in union and this is who Jesus is to this day. He died on that cross and he rose from the dead in the same body he died in.

He's God in flesh who died in that cross, rose from the dead. And that we are made right before God by faith only, not by faith in what we do, not by faith in our baptism, not by faith in our sincerity, not by faith in our goodness. Don't be so foolish to think that your sincerity somehow merits anything with God, because it does not.

Let me read you something. This is what it says. Now, the law says love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And love your neighbors yourself. Respectively, in the Bible, Deuteronomy 6-5 and Leviticus 19-18, which Jesus references respectively in Matthew 22, 37, and 39. And he says in verse 40, this is the summation of the law. So if any of you think you keep yourself right with God by the law, by what you do with keeping the law, then read Galatians 2-21. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died needlessly. If you can get to heaven by being good, by following any of the law, then why did Christ need to die? Galatians 2-21. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, loving God and loving your neighbor, being honest, then Christ died needlessly.

If you could keep the law, then the law would be the way to be saved. But it can't be, which is why Christ had to fulfill the law and never sin. 1 Peter 2-22. Why he died on the cross and then rose from the dead, which is the sign of the acceptance and the perfection and the holiness of his sacrifice for our sins, where he bore our sin and his body on the cross.

1 Peter 2-24. This is who Christ is. This is a true living gospel. And if anybody out there, you're listening to my words, if any of you deny the Trinity, repent and believe it. If you're oneness, repent and believe the truth. If you're a Catholic and you believe that you have to keep your commandments and go through the sacraments in order to keep yourself right with God, you need to repent of that great sin and trust in Jesus Christ alone for the forgiveness of your sins. If you're a Mormon and you teach that God came from another world and he was exalted, he's got a goddess wife, that you keep celestial law, you become a god of your own world, and that you're saved by grace through faith after all you can do, 2 Nephi 25-23, you need to repent and believe in the true and living God because nobody is capable of keeping the law perfectly except one person, that was Jesus Christ. Only he did this, 1 Peter 2-22.

Only he was able to keep that law. And if you could keep the law and earn your position with God by what you do, then you might as well become a Muslim because that's what Muslims teach, that's what Islam teaches, that's what the Qur'an teaches in Surah 23, 101-103. That's what it teaches.

If your good works out, well you're bad, then the balance is heavy towards you in a good way, then heaven you will find. This is what the Qur'an is teaching. This is what the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower organization says.

It says that you have to keep the commandments of God to be saved and have your sins forgiven. All of this is blasphemy, all of this is false teaching, all of this is evil doctrine. The truth is this, there's one God who's a trinity, just like a cube is height, width, and depth.

All three of those aspects make up the totality. This is who God is, the trinity. And the second person on the trinity became flesh, died on the cross, rose from the dead, and you've got to trust in him alone by faith alone. And if you do not, and you add anything, then you're on your way to hell. That's the true gospel. Believe in Jesus, trust in him, he did it all. He's all you need. Not your goodness, not your law keeping, just him. Ask him to forgive you for sins. He will because he's God in flesh. Amen. God bless. Bye.