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Thank you for listening this Truth Network Podcast. So I was talking to, I was talking to like some, some, um, it was, it was a, it wasn't, it was a couple of Catholics there, but it was some person that said that, um, the defund across. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We got a break. Hold on. You guys had a big thought and we got to take a break and then we'll get back to that thought. Okay. Cause I know about that one as well.

I'd rather use it. What did they say? Folks after these messages, please stay tuned. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Ebenezer.

You're there. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so I was talking to, I was talking to a couple of people, um, and, um, like I, cause they, they were saying that, Oh yeah, baptism is a requirement for salvation. There was some Catholics in there. So then, um, so then they like, um, cause I thought this one girl, she was, she was a home Protestant or whatever, even though I don't like using that word Protestant, but she, she was a Protestant or whatever. But, um, uh, she was like, Oh, the, the, the deep on the cross was, was baptized. Cause he was under the old covenant. I was like, it clearly says in scripture that he wasn't baptized. So they tell me like something about some baptism, baptism of desire. And I'm like, what?

But, and then when you look at Romans, Abraham, he wasn't baptized, but he was deemed righteous. So I'm like, you know, it doesn't add up, you know? Yeah, it doesn't. It just doesn't. You're right.

And I've dealt with them countless times. Um, on this issue, thief on the cross, act two 38, first Peter three 21. What do you think? What is that? Where does that whole baptism of desire come from? It's that part of the brain. It's a part of the brain is really newly discovered called the dumbify part of the things. And so, uh, they it's next to the stupidification gland. And so what they'll do is they make something up. They make something up to make it fit. It's a desire he had.

He did. How do you know? And where's the Bible says a baptism of desire. Where does it say it? It's in the book of a second hysterectomy, you know, it's just dumb. It's just dumb stuff that they come up with. Just like, uh, I'll prove to them biblically that the Eucharist cannot be the literal body and blood of Christ because Leviticus 17 14 says that you're not to eat the blood of any flesh. So Jesus wouldn't have been asking to eat the blood or then they'll say that the substance of something transferred to another something without the essential properties, which is logically impossible. And it's a mystery.

God could do it cause he could do anything. You know, it's just too, it's just ridiculous. So they're just brainwashed cultists and uh, they, they think like that. So that's what it is. You know, it's just bad.

It's bad. Uh, you know, but a lot of them practice, a lot of Catholics practice witchcraft. You know that, right? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do.

They, when they contact the dead, they have their little scapulars, their little devices they, they use the rub to hold onto them because it's magic ish and it, yeah. Oh yeah. I know about that. Yeah. Yeah. But all right man, let me let you go man. All right man. I just wanted to bring that talk to you about that.

See what you thought about it. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I know quite a bit about, uh, I know a lot about it.

Yes. I know a lot about, uh, the, the, the heresies of the Catholic church and the East Orthodox church. Neither one is Christian. They both teach a false gospel, a false priesthood, and a, uh, a false Mary. They, they teach, uh, stuff that they should not be teaching. And if you believe in official Roman Catholic theology and official Eastern Orthodox theology, when you die, you're going to hell. Uh, this is bad news.

Doesn't mean they're not true Christians in there, but official doctrines are anti-Christ and their doctrine of salvation and promotion of idolatry. Okay. Oh yeah. All right. All right, man. All right.

Take it easy. All right, man. Sounds good. Okay. All right. All right.

All right. Now let's get to Jermaine from California. Hey Jermaine. Hey man. How are you doing, buddy? All right.

I'm doing pretty good. I was thinking about you because I had a question that often comes up, uh, Genesis chapter 19 26, Lot's wife turning to a pillar of salt. And, uh, when I was a kid, I struggled with this, but as I got older, I had some ideas. I I've seen, you know, people who are considering intelligent Christian conferences, where they say she's literally turned to a pillar of salt, but it to me seems more like a figure of speech. And I kind of wanted to hear you dive into this one because for me, I know it's there for a purpose, but when I think of all the, uh, surrounding fire and brimstone and, you know, the things that were coming down, when I was a kid, it made me think about Pompeii where people were, were virtually frozen in time and, you know, volcano came and did what it did. Yeah.

I was thinking something along those lines, I kind of wanted to hear you dive into this. Yeah. In fact, I was just in Pompeii in November and we saw one of those bodies that was covered and, you know, in a glass case, it was really interesting. So I believe that she was actually changed into a pillar of salt. And it does say in Luke 17 32, remember Lot's wife.

And so in that, uh, make over here, uh, let's see, yeah, and that's all it is, is, uh, not turning back. So whoever in the field was not turned back, remember Lot's wife, that's why she was changed because, uh, uh, she was, um, she looked back, looked back to the old ways, longing for the old sinful ways and comfort. And she was judged and salt, uh, kept the representative of, of, um, judgment, uh, like that.

So that's what it is. And the Dead Sea was rich in salt and sulfur. This is where Sodom was located. And so there's something going on there. There's a connection to the land in that it was a very salty area, a lot of salt there.

Look back, you're turned into that what you want and salt. And so that would make sense to me. Okay.

And the way, go ahead. Oh, you know, to me, it's, uh, you know, it's not a salvation, she was just something that fascinates me. I know it's in scripture for a purpose and just makes me think when I hear looking back, it kind of makes me, cause when I was a kid, I was thinking of like Medusa, you look back once and you're done, but it, it kind of, the more I think about it, the more it reminded me of someone that does not want to leave, you know, they're completely involved with that city, that lifestyle that they just don't want to leave their home and no, perhaps there's some struggle.

And someone just looking back, like she just wasn't, she wasn't going and maybe she got hit by something and you know, died on the spot and turned to salt. Yeah. I just like to discuss it. Yeah, sure. It just causes a deeper level thinking about the scripture, that's all.

Yeah. I think that, uh, that symbolically that her being turned into salt is important because the dead seas is salty. There's an area around the area, area around the area. There's an area around there that, uh, is high in salt content. Salt was used as a, as a means of commerce and trade, like spices and salt kept you alive with water, of course, you know, and so you needed that. And it might have been, I haven't looked, but it might've been that salt was a heavy industrial commodity in that area at the time.

And so she looked back to the old ways and was judged and judged by the things she wanted to be and became. So I think there's symbolism in that, but, um, yeah, I have no problem with it being a literal, a literal pillar of salt because, Hey, God could do what he wants. Okay. Yeah. It's very true as well. Yes, absolutely.

And I guess tomorrow's story, when it gives you an opening to go out there, don't look back. That's right. Amen, brother. All right. There's the break. All right.

Jermaine. All right. Thank you, God.

All right. We'll be right back. Hey folks, we have wide open lines. Why don't you give me a call? 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody. Welcome to the show. It's the bottom of the hour. Please give me a call.

We have nobody waiting. 877-207-2276. Now the previous segment, I talked about the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church. And I've done this so many times before, let me just tell you again, both of those are not Christian churches.

Now when I say that it's not because I was wronged by anybody in the church, it's not because I was a member of the church and I've got a chip in my shoulder. It's simply because they're not Christian churches in that they deny one of the essentials of the Christian faith in that they add works to salvation. I've done a great deal of research in the official teachings of both groups.

When I say official, their documents, what they say. Now the Bible tells us in Romans 3, 28 that we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. What they do is say, both groups say that the faith that you have has to have works. But it's not the works that save you, but it's the faith that has works. So you're not justified by faith alone in Christ alone, but by the faith and the works you do, but the works are from God.

So they play this linguistic logic game to try and sneak their works into it. And then they say that you can lose your salvation by not being good enough or by giving up the faith or whatever else you got to do. And so I'll ask them, I said, is keeping the faith by your choice, your will, your desire, that a good thing? Yes.

Okay. So then you're maintaining your position with God, aren't you? And by your effort, by your goodness, and then he knows by the grace of God, and they always want to give glory to God, let's say it's God's work that they themselves are doing. What's interesting if you go to Galatians 5, let me show you something in Galatians 5, there's a principle here. In Galatians 5, I'm going to read this a little bit, we'll get to the callers.

It says in verse one, it was for freedom that Christ set us free, therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoga of slavery. Behold I Paul say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. Now I'm going to go on here a little bit, but if you receive circumcision, now they're not saying you have to be circumcised to be saved, what they're saying is you have to be baptized to be saved. But Paul, the apostle in Colossians 11, God, Colossians 2, 11 says, and in him you are circumcised with a circumcision made without hands in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism. So Paul relates circumcision and baptism.

Both of these are ceremonies. Now what they'll say is that no, the ceremony that you undergo is not something that's a work you do, it's God's work. That's what they say, it's God's work. And I say, well look, so circumcision was God's work, and they say yes. Then why does Paul say if you receive circumcision? Circumcision is done to you, but if you receive it, Christ has no benefit. It's a work of somebody else that's done upon you, and if you allow that, then you're lost. So I trap them with the very word of God because they don't think that far ahead, because they don't really believe the word of God. Sorry, but they don't. They believe what the church tells them the word of God means.

That's how they work it. And Paul goes on in verse 3 of Galatians 5, and I testify again to everyone who receives circumcision, he's under obligation to keep the whole law. Now they do teach you have to keep the law to be saved, you've got to keep the 10 commandments, you've got to be baptized, you've got to maintain goodness, etc. So they are teaching a false gospel.

Without a doubt, the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church are teaching a false gospel. And this is incredibly important, because it says in verse 4 of Galatians 5, you have been severed from Christ, notice the pun, dealing with circumcision. You who are seeking to be justified by law, you've fallen from grace.

Now notice what happens here. Just by receiving one ceremonial entrance into the covenant of God, now Paul says you're seeking to be justified by law. He doesn't say faith and law. He says law. You are seeking to do something that you receive in a ceremonial sense, and therefore you're out.

It's that simple. And in Roman Catholicism, paragraph 2068, you attain salvation through faith, baptism, the observance of the commandments, and Eastern Orthodoxy and the confessional of the Docetius and Mogilla, I'm still memorizing the exact locations. They teach that you have to do good works in order to be saved. They deny, they flat out deny, justification by faith alone.

You're not saved by grace, by faith alone, but by faith and works. They say these words. So they each preach a false gospel, and for this alone, they're not true. They also get into the issue of their priesthood. And I've challenged Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics to show me their priesthood after the New Testament covenant begins with the death of Christ.

Show it to me in the New Testament, and they can't. And what they'll do is they'll say, well, as Jesus says, as God sent me, I send you. That's your priesthood. They just drive a truckload of heresy through these statements that don't have anything to do with what they're saying. They can't find their priesthood, so they make up stuff scripturally to try and make it fit. And then, of course, they promote the heresy of idolatry in their worship adoration, bowing down to icons and or statues. And God says in Nexus 20, he says, do not make for yourself an image of the Lord your God or anything in heaven or on earth, and don't bow down to them.

Don't do this kind of thing. It's what they do anyway. They make for themselves images, and they bow down before them, and they give to them the attributes. These people who've died long ago, they give them attributes that belong to God. For example, these people can now hear millions of prayers simultaneously spoken and thought in different languages all over the world, and they can answer your prayers, and they can bring them to God and all this stuff. So these churches, both the Eastern Orthodox Roman Catholic Church, teach a false gospel, have a false priesthood, and a false sense of worship with the idols and stuff like that.

They're not Christian churches. Stay away from them. All right, now let's get to Luke from Washington. You're on the air, Luke. Hi. Good afternoon.

How are you? Patrick? Brother Patrick?

Yes, that's right. Hang in there, buddy. What do you got? My question today, if God knew certain people would end up in hell, why did he bother creating them? Oh, I don't know. It doesn't tell us. Okay.

All right. Because I think the foreknowledge and foresight problem, I think that is, I don't know. They think that they don't understand the foreknowledge and foresight. They think that God merely knew what is going to happen in the future.

Okay, I'm a little confused. So who's the they for knowledge system? The people who are arguing, the they means the people who claim that God merely knew what was going to happen in the future. Oh, well, that's an improper and insufficient theological understanding, because if you really study what God is and who he is and what he can do, there's not a mere knowledge of what will happen, because the problem here is that such a statement implies that God's knowledge is incomplete in himself. His omniscience is part of his nature. He knows all things actual as well as potential eternally. And so whatever condition we find ourselves in, that's always a state of God's mind. He doesn't increase in knowledge. But if he's going to know what people are going to do in the future, then his knowledge is dependent on their choices in the future, which means in that sense, he learns or gains information. And that violates this issue of his independence from eternity past in his nature and his attributes. So this is why people who make that argument, no disrespect meant to them, but they're not really thinking this through.

And they've stopped their critical thinking at a certain level, because it satisfies them, and they're done, and they move on, and they shouldn't, they should ask more questions and not hold on to that kind of error, okay. And also one more question. In Revelation, there's the verse talking about a priest, you know, they have their, what is their priest, a robe, we can see in Revelation, that means there are a lot of priests in, not believers, but priests, like a Roman Catholic priest type priest in heaven. No, there's no priest like that in heaven, of people with robes and gold and silver around them, who then offer sacraments, and the Eucharist, which is a propitiatory sacrifice that cleanses us of our sins by the re-offering of it, is a violation of the book of Hebrews, absolute violation. And nothing like that is in the New Testament. There are priests, we have the kingdom of priests in Revelation chapter 1, but this is the general idea that Peter talks about in 1 Peter 2, 5 and 9, I believe it is, where he talks about we are a kingdom of priests, it's called the priesthood of all believers. That is there, but we're not offering up sacrifices of the propitiatory nature that then satisfy the place between God and man through a priesthood offering. So this is what the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Church have, and both of those priesthoods are false, or just not found in scripture. Not in the New Covenant, that is, okay? And one more question. 1 Corinthians 14, there's the words saying that, pursue love and desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but it's especially that you may prophesy, for one who speaks in tongue does not speak to men, but to God, for no one understands, but in his spirit, he speaks mysteries.

What do you, how do you explain that, what is your logic behind that? It's not logic behind it, it's just what it says, please, he's saying, seek, in the Greek it's pneumatica, pneumatic, air, breath, the spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy, and that's what God wants us to be able to do. And then he says, for one who speaks in a tongue, you know, and he goes on, we've got a break, so hold on, we'll come back to this, okay, and we'll deal with the issue of the charismatic gifts, so hold on buddy, okay? All right, hey folks, if you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276, be right back.

It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. All right, I want to welcome back to the show, let's get back on here with Luke from Washington, do you see that is, welcome Luke, you're back on here. Okay, the one we read, first Corinthians 14, it says, no one understands, forces does not identify others, it requires interpretation, without interpretation the speaker should be silent, so if the person doesn't understand what he's saying, and we don't understand, then, you know, I don't understand the logic behind this, okay, the person does not understand, here you go, in a church context, when people are coming together, there's a gathering, there's believers, there's unbelievers, usually in that kind of a context, particularly in Corinth, so what's going on is that, when you would get up and give a tongue, now what is that? That's one of the questions, some say it's an angelic just speaking in tongues, and then they would just talk, it could be, you know, what we might think is gibberish, but it could be an angelic language, it could be a language that people would understand, so you might have ten tongues, ten groups of people in the Corinthian church who, now I've been to Corinth just so you know, and think of the ruins, but at any rate, it's a metropolitan area back in the day, so, anyway, so the thing is that, if there's a church gathering and someone gets up and says something in a tongue, does it mean it's a charismatic movement, or does it mean that it's in a language that is known that many of the speakers would not know, and so without interpretation of that, then sit down and be quiet, that's one possibility, the other one is, it's a language that we don't know, nobody knows, and someone's getting up and exercising a charismatic gift in that sense, and then, if there's no interpretation, keep quiet, and the reason is because they're not edified, the body of Christ, when we gather, is for the edification and the building of the body, not for a person displaying particular gifts, now, you know, pastor displays the gift of teaching, but that's his position and his calling in that group, but when people get into the congregation, and they stand up and speak in tongues, stuff like that, well, if there's no interpreter, then just sit down, and that's it, and no big deal, that's all that's going on, okay? In Acts chapter 2, everyone understands, they're saying, people say, this is an unknown tongue, I'm talking to God, and then he doesn't know what he's talking, and the people who listen to this is not understand what they're saying, and no one understands, so they say the form of prayer of Christ directed toward God, not teaching or exhorting men, unless, and they're just a form of prayer, and it speaks not to men, but to God. Yes, but in that sense, don't do that if there's no interpretation in the church, okay?

Just do it yourself. And then he says it's for unbelievers, right, it's for unbelievers. When there's interpretation and they're convicted, then it's a sign for the unbelievers. Then if tongues are for unbelievers, why does Paul say prophecy helps unbelievers more?

That's a good question. It's one of the questions I've wondered, because now we get into the issue, what is prophecy? Some say it means to speak a future event, and that would certainly convict an unbeliever. Another interpretation is a prophecy is a prophetic proclamation, where you are enunciating the word of God with power, and they're convicted that way.

So we don't know exactly which it is, it could be either one, it could be a third option we're not aware of, or it could be a combination of those two. That's just what I've read, and it's not even heard, okay? Okay? Yeah, in the Reformed churches, they don't agree with this prophecy and sign and this unknown tongue, right?

That's correct, most of them don't, and that's why I lost my pastorate, because I did believe in the charismatic gifts on an exegetical basis, and they said, love you, you're a great preacher, best one we've had in the church since it started, and blah, blah, blah, and but we can't have you a pastor, because we don't believe in that, and that was it, so I had to move along, okay? So yeah, I know that. Okay, thank you.

Yeah, the fact of today's church is they wouldn't let in John Knox in their church, because he prophesied. All right, sounds good. Okay, thank you. All right, God bless. All right, now let's get to Maria from South Carolina. Maria, welcome. You're on the air. Hi. Hi. Thank you, thank you. I admire and respect you very much as an inspiration, and today you got my topic, because when he asked you about why God created people knowing that they're not going to be saved or they're going to be traded him, you answered, I don't know. I do have an answer for the gentleman.

Okay. God is like a father to all of us, and he never going to give up on us, even though if he didn't know that they're going to be traded, we will still love our children, and we're always going to expect for them one day to be saved. But also, God used evil for good in many occasions.

There's people that is not a believer is against the God and hate God. And sometimes God allows that to happen, because something good is going to come out. Good example is what happens to Jesus and Judah. If Judah wouldn't betray Jesus, we will not, we will be lost, okay?

Yes, that's the issue with the Odyssey. There is a biblical answer to the question, and I generally don't jump on it because it often brings up other issues, but maybe I just need to do it more often, because the answer is why he created, he doesn't really tell us exactly why, but there is this place that says, what if God, although willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. That's Romans 9 22.

So we could say that one of the reasons he made people who he knew were going to hell is to demonstrate his wrath and make his power known. Now that's not an easy thing to accept, but that's what it seems to be. No, it's not. Okay.

And many people ask why God allowed this to happen to me, why kids have to die, why diseases have to come to the world. That's easy to answer, though. Yeah. Yes, yes. It is, because sin is in the world. So I just want to say that- Yeah, that's what it is. Sin is in the world. Exactly.

It has its effect. So- Yep. Yeah. But it's a tough question.

Well, thank you. Yeah. Okay.

Yes, it is a tough question. I appreciate it. Okay. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. All right. God bless. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, you can, 877-207-2276.

There's nobody waiting right now. So Romans 9, 9 through 23 is one of the more difficult areas of scripture for a lot of people. Not for me. I believe what it says.

Take it for what it says. And so it's easy. But in there, in that pericope of scripture, it talks about this sovereignty of God, to be able to do what he wants with his creation. And this gets into the issue of what we call reprobation.

And that topic is debated as well. Reprobation deals with the issue of people who are damned. Now, here's a question. Are they damned because God wanted them damned? Are they damned because they refused God? Are they damned because God just let them alone and they just go where they naturally would go?

There's all kinds of questions. Some people like to just say, well, it's free will. It's always up to man's free will.

That's what it is. So he knows what they're going to choose, and he just lets them go to hell because they reject him. That's a very simplistic answer, and it's not sufficient. Because we know from Proverbs 21, 1, God moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go. And here's a question I ask people who teach that. I say, does God know what it would take to bring any individual, any time, any place into the faith?

And the answer has to be yes. Otherwise, God is ignorant. And they can't say that. Then I ask, well, since he does know what it would take to bring anybody into the faith, then why doesn't he?

That's the question I ask a lot of people, and they can't answer. You see, it's really tough because there are things in scripture that God does not declare to us, he does not reveal to us. Now we know that God moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go, Proverbs 21, 1. In Acts 9, he knocked Paul the apostle off his horse and spoke to him, converted him. We know that God causes people to be born again, 1 Peter 1, 3. We know that God opens the heart of Lydia to believe the things spoken of by Paul, Acts 16, 14.

We know that Jesus opened the mind of the disciples to believe the things that he said, Luke 24, 45. So a question follows. Why doesn't he do it for everybody? That's just a question.

And a tough one. And I raise this question up in discussions about free will, predestination, and people are arguing about this because God wants every individual to be saved all the time. And they say, 1 Peter 2, 5, and 2 Peter 3, 9, and he wants all to be saved. Well, then why doesn't he arrange it? And they'll say, well, it's because of man's free will. Because of man's free will. So now man's free will trumps God's free will.

It's heresy. Well, then, Matt, you're saying that God makes him for destruction? Well, then I say to them, well, I believe he makes everything, even the wicked, for the day of evil. They go, he does not. He does not do that. And I said, yeah, I just quoted word for word Proverbs 16, 4. They don't like this stuff because they're taught that Jesus is a blond haired, black Caucasian surfer dude dressed in a woman's nightgown, standing at the door of your heart asking permission for you to let him in. That's not the scripture's presentation of who Christ is.

Now I know. It's in Revelation 3. He stands at the door of your heart and knocks, or stands at your door and knocks.

Let him in. It's a different context altogether dealing with a church in a certain location, not about individuals. And so many pastors are guilty of taking a verse out of its context and misapplying it.

So anyway, get back on topic here. So this issue, does God prepare them for destruction? Well, that's what it says in Romans 9, 22. That's what it says in Proverbs 16, 4. Now we don't know the criteria that God has.

We don't know why he does this. We don't know why he's chooses some and not others. We know that he chose us for salvation. Second Thessalonians 2, 13 says so. He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we'd be holy and blameless. Ephesians 1, 4.

It's what it says. Jesus says in John 6, 65, you can't come to me unless it's granted to you from the Father. John 6, 65. So here are questions. Why does he do it to everybody? And that's the question I don't have an answer to. I don't know.

I don't know. I could put down answers on a paper, ideas and guess, but it's just not worth the time because God has not chosen to reveal it. His ways are not our ways. We don't know how it works, but I do know this, that he has chosen out of the world the people that he wants and he has granted that they have faith. He's granted them repentance. He's granted they come to Christ and that he is the author of our salvation and he lets the rest apparently go their natural way, but they're not without excuse because they're the ones who make their choices and this is what Romans 9, 9 through 23 talks about. Yet it also talks about the sovereignty of God to do with his creation as he desires and this is difficult. It's a difficult thing to grasp.

I've taught in Romans 9, 9 through 23 many, many, many times and what I have to do each time is believe what it says because it says what it says and I believe it. I hope you do too. We're about out of time here. The music is going to start in a little bit. I hope you all have a good day, a good evening and by his grace we'll be back on here tomorrow and please remember that we do stay on the air by your support and if you are so inclined as to support us, hopefully with the teaching of God's word, not man's expectations, please consider going to karm.org forward slash donate, c-a-r-m dot o-r-g forward slash donate. May the Lord bless you and by his grace we'll be back on air tomorrow. Have a good evening and God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.