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Give me a call. You can also dial the number 877-2072. Two two seven six and um All right, so there's nobody waiting right now. We've been talking a lot about. The uh Um About the rapture recently.
And uh if you guys want to call and talk about that, that's fine. I challenged a couple of people to check some information that I've got and just see. It's a good conversation. It's a good conversation and show people some stuff that they may not have seen before. And that's fine.
Different views. And I always say, you know, just check what you say, or check what I say against scripture, because you don't want to trust a guy whose last name is slick. It just doesn't make sense to do that.
So you've got to check. All right, now. A few days ago, however, I was talking about something that I think is really important that we might want to look at again or revisit. And that's the issue of why Why the youth, why people are joining the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic churches. And this has been on their mind a lot lately, trying to figure out what the reason is.
And uh people are doing that. They are are uh joining those churches. Leaving Protestantism, and there seems to be a growing number of people who are doing that. And so What I wanted to do was an examination of that possibility and And found some stuff. And I thought maybe we could go over some of it.
Maybe we could look at.
some of the the potential reasons why people might be going uh away from Um the Protestant churches.
Now, I'm not saying all the Protestant churches are bad and things like that, but as is the case. We always need to just, you know, check ourselves. We need to make sure that we're doing okay as in the Protestant side of things, being biblical and. and sticking with the truth. You know, we need to do something like that.
We need to make sure. And nothing wrong with that. And so I wrote an article a while back about this and have some proposals and Want to get into some of the stuff again. I thought it might be worth listening to, might be worth discussing a little bit from people if they are interested in this kind of topic. All right, so we went over the issue of shallow preaching.
Mentioned that, I think it was on Monday, I think that was the day. Mentioned the issue of shallow preaching in churches.
Now, I'm not saying all churches preach shallowly and all preachers are bad and stuff like that. But it reminds me. My brother and his wife are in town, and we were driving around, showing them around a little bit here and there, and we came across this church. That oh just drive it by And I remembered something about that church, and I told him that, and it forced me to remember it here. There is a church on um Let's just say eagle.
Eagle Street, and I'll leave it there. That someone was asking me about, and years ago I went and checked out the sermons. And I listened. to one of the sermons that the the pastor was teaching. And uh And so I remember the wording.
He said, within two or three minutes, I heard this. It was: Your words have more power in your life than the words of Jesus. And You know, my jaw dropped. the arrogance, the stupidity, the this this assured. stupidity of such a statement.
Your words have more power in your life than the words of Jesus. You know, it was just Just shallow preaching, shallow preaching. It was a good example of it. I heard that. It's Protestant, okay?
Now I I uh I've listened to uh In fact, you know, I just realized I haven't heard any. That's interesting. I have not, that I can recall, I haven't even heard a single Eastern Orthodox. Uh sermon. I'm going to have to listen.
But I've heard Roman Catholic sermons. I've been to Roman Catholic churches to listen. I've got to go to an Eastern Orthodox church and listen to their sermons.
Sorry, I'm going to do that. Anyway. The sermons in the Roman Catholic Church were shallow. They're never really deep. It's full of moralism and just I wouldn't expect much, and I didn't expect much, and I didn't get much.
He wasn't that deep. And I remember listening to some of the sermons. You know what? You could do better. It just was bad.
Well, at any rate, um Here's one of the concerns I have in Protestantism, and this is just a question. Our pastors filling the seats instead of the hearts and minds. Are they more concerned about filling in seats than the hearts and the minds of the people that they have. And that's just a question. Because I know that when I do studies and preach and teach.
I actually look for that. Uh to my uh my own sinful admission. I tend to judge my spirituality and success as a preacher-teacher by how many people are listening and how many people want to listen. And of course, that's the wrong attitude, and I know it's the wrong attitude, but I'm just saying, it's just part of it, it's part of us as preachers and teachers that we want to. Make sure that we're doing what's right, and the approval will be that people gather to us.
And it's a shallow example and it's a shallow expectation that we have. And uh I've had to check myself on that many times. And still do occasionally. Still do, you know, if more of this, if more of that. And going to be careful.
But at any rate. Um There is some truth to it, though, you know. I mean, if you're preaching and teaching, nobody's interested. You might want to take a look at stuff. But at any rate, the question is: are they more concerned with filling seats than hearts and minds?
And then making the service comfortable for the unbeliever, comfortable for the Christian, so that they like coming because it's a good feeling, a good situation. That's a concern I have. Anyway, I've got more. I've got more we could talk about, but let's get to one and only Cole from Georgia. Cole, welcome, brother.
You're on the air. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's a toy man. Uh You said something a while ago. You said something a while ago there, I don't know.
I don't Completely agree with.
Well, surprise, okay. All right. No, you got a lot of good stuff. You got a lot of good stuff. You know, I'm, you know, I know.
See the stuff, some of the stuff, there's a few of them that I, you know, I pay attention to. You said, now, correct me if I'm wrong. You said that we're not going to be able to see the face of God when it's all said and done. Did you make that statement? Face of the Father, because the Bible says 1 Timothy 6:16, speaking of the Father, he dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see.
is what it says.
So that's what I conclude. They're where you can't see 'em. Simple.
Okay. Explained in the end, where when Jesus, when it's all said and done, Jesus is going to turn everything over to the Father. And the father's going to be all in all, and he'll dwell on the earth with mankind.
So we'll never be able to see the face of God, in your opinion.
Well, I just told you what the Bible says.
So th that's it. And the Bible says that's probably cook. If it says he does an unapproachable life whom no man has seen or can see, Then would you believe that he dwells in unapproachable light that no man has seen or can see? It's that simple. Would you go?
But yeah. But that doesn't make sense because listen, okay, say, okay, you love your children and you never see them. Say you've got children, you have children, but they've never seen your face. This has nothing to do with that be love. How can that be love?
Oh, hold on, hold on. It does have something to do. Hold on. You're doing fortune cookie theology here. Get a good feeling out of a fortune cookie.
Now you're applying it to God. It's common sense. It's common sense theology. Common sense? Wait a minute.
Are you saying common sense? Common sense too long and it's kind of pulling up your mind. Cool, cool. But you gotta get some commercials. Cool, hold on, buddy.
Hold on, are you saying common sense trumps Scripture? That's what you're saying. No, that's not what I'm saying.
Okay, well, first Timothy's, first. 1 Timothy 6, 16 says it's speaking of the context, speaking of the Father, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see.
So, what does it mean when it says no one has seen or can see the Father? What does it mean? That means flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It's talking about man not to be a kingdom of God. But that's not what it says.
Come on, man. You know that. Come on. You got to put two and two together, Matt. Come on.
You're smarter than that. But, well, Cole, you're putting two plus two together, getting three and a half. Look, you're coming up short, all right? The thing is that I read you a scripture. The spirit man, it doesn't say the spirit of man.
Cole, coal, coal. You're s okay, I'm gonna just tell you flat out, you're talking like a cultist. You're talking like a cultist. You say the same things the cults teach me. When I bring this up against the Mormons, they use the exact same wording you're using.
Exactly the same. The spiritual man. Matt, it doesn't make really good common sense because if you're going to have a father that you're never going to see ever, you're never going to see him. I don't believe that. I believe once we're in our glory, sure, we can't see them as human beings, but once we get God's, we're going to be overwhelmed, sure.
But he's going to show us our faith because he loves us. He loves us.
Well, that's out of the book of Second Colostomy. That's where you're getting that from. The book of 2 Colonials. Oh, that's the book of 2 common sense. That's where it's from.
Yeah, right next to the book of 1st Moronicles. Look, you're just talking about common sense. You're not talking scripture. And when you say flesh and blood cannot hear, scriptures. No.
No, it's not, brother. That's the way you're free. You're good at that. You're good at zero, making it say what you want it to say. I'm just reading it.
I'm just reading what it says. He dwells an unapproachable light. Man, it doesn't say spiritual man, man. I mean, that's man, sure, man, it's not gonna seek God ever, but it doesn't say anything about the spiritual man. Oh, okay, so then what it says isn't what it means.
And that's what you're saying. No, what it says is flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Oh. I'll tell you what. I think what you should do is contact.
I think you should contact the Bible translators and tell them they need to add those words into the text there. Because obviously, Paul, Paul didn't know what he was doing. Because you see the correction even to the Word of God. That's what you're doing. I just don't believe that the father's gonna love us so hard that he's not gonna let us see him.
I just don't believe that. That's not a fortune. Fortune cookies say things like that. You know, you can get a fortune cookie cookie. No, I bet you if you took a poll, if you took a poll of all your listeners, who cares?
I guarantee you, the one. Yeah, who I care. No, no, no, no, you understand. And I understand. 30 other Christians will say God's going to let us see him.
No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on, Chris. Cole, you need to collaborate with me here.
You need to cool down.
Okay, look, I'm just telling you.
Okay, okay. Cole, hold on. Hold on. I don't care if every caller calls up and disagrees with me on something. If it's what the scripture says, then they're all wrong.
The scripture is my authority. Not common sense, not what one person thinks, not what a majority think. That's it now. Hold on, brother, we got a break. But you need to come up with a verse in scripture that says we're going to see the father.
Don't give me this. Feelings of it. Show me a verse that says we'll see God the Father in the Bible. We're after the break.
Okay, brother. After the break. Oh, my goodness. We'll be right back, folks. Please stay tuned.
It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Cole and see how it's going. Cole, so do you have a verse that says we're going to see God the Father anywhere?
No, wait, don't. Um let me say, uh Now It says that God's an unapproachable white, yeah.
Now we're probably gonna get there, we're probably gonna look at 'em and pass out. You're probably gonna faint away. And guess what? He's gonna revive us. And wake us back up.
Mm-hmm. Cole. That's the case. Cole. I just don't believe that God's not going to let us see his face.
Cole. Look, Cole, your argument, Cole, look, your argument just collapsed, okay? It's not working. It's colliding with your ideology. Truth is cool.
I'm gonna tell you the first. I'm gonna tell you the first. Now, in Revelation, it says that Jesus, in the end, in the end, you find the verse, you're a scholar. It says Jesus will turn all in all over to God the Father, and He'll be all in all in the earth. There's a verse that says that.
In the end, Jesus is going to turn all power back over to the Father. Are you familiar with that verse? 1 Corinthians 15, 28. Yeah? Yes.
Can you read that? Yeah, it says, and he shall, when all things are subjected to him, the son himself will also be subjected to the one who subjected all things to him, so that God may be all in all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but there's also a verse I think where they're going to come, it says that God's glory, we're not going to need the sun.
God's glory is going to lighten the earth because there'll be no sun. Yes, because the glory like that. Yes, but that doesn't mean.
So you ever, man, I just don't believe it. I don't believe you.
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't believe it. Hold on, hold on. Look, I'm preaching from giving you the works from the Bible. You're giving me from the book of second colonoscopy.
Look, cole, you're making a collage of verses to make it appear to be something it's not.
Okay, you're just all over the map. And just like I told you, it's from the first book of common sense. That's where it's from. I mean, because that doesn't mean that we're never going to see God from that first bad batch. We're not going to see the Father's flesh.
Look, let me explain stuff. I'm going to see the Father. Let me explain to you. Are you kidding me? Let me explain to you.
The Bible says the Father dwells in an unapproachable light who no man has seen or can see. 1 Timothy 6:16. Who are we going to be seeing in heaven? The Lord Jesus Christ. God the Father.
He's faithful. And he calls us to fellowship with his Son, Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 1:9. When they see God in the Old Testament, it's the pre-incarnate Christ. This is who it is, because Jesus is the one who's representing the Father.
He's the exact representation of the nature of the Father. Hebrews 1.3. Jesus is the one we'll be seeing, and in the Father dwells an unapproachable light whom no man has seen or can see. You can give me all the rationale you want, but you have to show me scripture that says we're going to see the Father. And nothing in the Bible says that.
And this is why, incidentally, it proves Mormonism wrong. Because your argument is used by Mormons. When I bring up this verse at 1 Timothy 6, 16, and it says he dwells in the unapproachable light whom no man has seen or can see. They say, because I say that means Joseph Smith never saw the Father, because in the first vision, he said he saw God the Father. And then they'll do just what you do.
Well, that's in the natural man. Oh, unless he's this, unless he's enabled. They always qualify the words. The sentence, so that, this is the key.
So that when you're done with that verse, now the verse says the opposite of what it says. That's what a cult does. And you're behaving like a cultist in your mind, thinking things and saying things out of the book of first colonoscopy, and it's just not working.
Okay, Cole?
Okay, well hold on, let me make one more point and we're not going off of that one.
Okay, now, who was talking to Moses in the Old Testament? It was God. No, when you say God, was it God the Father or God the Son? You said talking. Talking is different than the issue of appearing, because you can have the Trinitarian nature of God Himself speaking.
But whenever there's an opinion. Yeah, you know where I'm going.
Okay, so okay, you answered that question. Where I'm going is when God, when Moses said, Let me see your glory. And he spoke to him and he passed by. He go, Hold on a second, let me finish back. It's okay.
And he covered him up and he says, You can only see my back side being a human being because if you see my face, you'll die.
Souls. He let him see the back side. That was God the Father. That had to be God the Father. Who said it?
That's the same one you're talking about. You can't see his face. But he said, because he said it himself. You can't see my face and live. Yeah, that's Exodus 33:20 and 33.11 you're talking about.
You cannot see my face for none but can see me and live. Exodus 33:11, and then 30 through 20. Um, you appeared right there. But God is seen in the Old Testament.
Okay, in Exodus 24:9 through 11, Moses, Aaron, Nadab, and Abuhu, and 70 of the elders of Israel went up and they saw the God of Israel. And under his feet, there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. Yet he did not stretch out his hands against the sons of the nobles of Israel, and they beheld God and they ate and they drank.
So it says they saw God. But it wasn't the Father. Jesus says in John 6:26. I was talking about Moses in that instance when he clearly told him, If you can't see my face, then layer. Yes, I gave you the references of where it is.
I know this stuff. I've been teaching it for decades. Yeah, but you said it was Jesus that appeared to me. No, no, I did not. I did not.
I did not. Yes, you did. Yes. Cole, hold on a sec. Cole, I never said.
Cole, Cole, Cole, I'm going to have to mute you, buddy. Look, I'm gonna have to mute you if you don't calm down. Look, I never said it was Jesus, I said it was the pre incarnate Christ. That's different. Jesus is by definition the union of the word and the human nature.
That union. Is who Jesus is that occurred 2,000 years ago. Before Jesus, the person of Jesus, which is the union of the two natures, existed, before he existed. It was the pre-incarnate Christ who was appearing. That's who it was, all right?
So I'm very technical. Oh, well, he clearly said that you can't see my face and live. That's kind of contradicting what you're saying at first.
So that kind of threw a wrench at you. Wait a minute. Yeah, yeah. Wait a minute. That staggered you.
Now, I'm going to drop the mic. I'm going to drop the mic. Go ahead and drop the mic. And let you process it.
Okay. Go ahead. All right. All right. Drop the mic there.
See, you can learn from old hillbilly, man. You can learn. Go ahead. Go ahead. So, so I got you on that one.
I'm going to drop the mic while you're in the middle.
So if you just take a breath, I can answer you, but you don't want to take a breath. Do your mic dropping. I'll help you out. I'll help you out. We just dropped the mic.
There we go. I did drop him. He's getting a little excited. He's talking about Exodus 33:11. It says, The Lord used to speak to Moses face to face as a man speaks to his friend.
It doesn't say he saw the face of each, it says face to face, which is an expression of an impersonal. Personal communion, a personal encounter. It doesn't say he saw the face. That's what's going on. And then in Exodus 33:20, he said, You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.
So that would be consistent with 1 Timothy 6:16. Yeah, see, I know these arguments, and I've discussed them a hundred different ways from the cults who use us against the cults and things like that. Let's get to. Chris from Boise. Hey, Chris from Boise.
Welcome, Chris. You're on the air. Hey. Hey man, how's it going? It's gone.
Yeah, Cole was colliding with the thatch of the Bible, and he was reading out of the book of first colonoscopy. And making a collage of verses. And his argument was collapsing.
So right. I'm not gonna lie though, that when I first initially heard his voice, I was thinking Alex Jones. Fall in for a second. Yeah, there you go. Oh, hey, there's a break.
Sorry. Hey, brother. Hold on then. We got a break.
Okay. Okay. Yep. All right, hold on. Ooh, hope that was entertaining.
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Alright everyone, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, we have two open lines. 877-207-2276. All right, Chris. Right down the road from Boise.
All right, brother, where were we? Yes, sir. Yeah, so um I mean my questions So I called in quite a few times, and it's typically about the same thing as Good night. engage with atheists and I probably shouldn't. As often as I do, like throwing pearls before swine, right?
As the saying goes, right? All right. But um Anyways, uh I noticed that they keep going back to certain arguments when it comes to morality. They always go to, well, God is.
So um God ordered children to be murdered.
So If God tells you that murder or to murder, are you going to do it? To ask him this. No, no, it's easy. It's easy. It's easy.
Look, when they say God murdered people, let's say define what murder is. Just define it for me. They're using the term, they better know what it means. Long story short, for your information, murder is the unlawful taking of life. But killing is the lawful taking of life.
All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder, right?
Well, I noticed that Yeah, yeah.
Well well, one thing I was going to say is I noticed that When it comes to them, they say that Morality that it's not so black and white, and there's a little bit of that angle. Slow down, slow down, slow down. I've done this about 8,000 times, okay?
So just work it through it, all right? Definitions are always important. You first, number one, is you define your terms. First thing, define terms. Two, the second thing, you use the terms In statements In step three, you validate or invalidate those statements by scripture and/or logic.
Okay. So terms Mm-hmm.
So in other words, definitions, sentences, validation.
So, definitions of terms, then sentences of those terms, and validation of those sentences. All right?
So, Basically, definitions, all right, for number one, definitions, sentences or statements, right? And then validation.
Okay, now they make statements. They say, for example, they say God murders people. And they say, That's what you do. What is murder? Define it so we know that the definition you're using is proper.
I give them the reason I want them to define it.
Now it's on them. And if they give me, well, it's just whenever he kills anybody.
Well, that's not the definition of murder. And here you are telling me something's right or wrong, but you don't even know how to define the terms you're using. And then I just turn it right back on him and I say, And yet you want to argue with me or give me an argument, but you don't even know what the terms mean. That's not rational. See, I'm already on em.
And so I'll say, look, let me help you. Watch you, hold on. Let me help you out. I'll say, murder is the unlawful taking of life, and murder is a lawful taking of life. You have the right of self-defense.
And if unfortunately, if you kill somebody in the process in pure self-defense, that's not murder. You're okay. And I say, do you agree with me? And they say, yes.
Alright, now say, now what's your problem? Tell them what's your next step. I'm not going to volunteer too much. I've just corrected them. Given them a better foundation, and then ask them.
Now, what do you want to do with that? Because now you define the terms, I want them to make the statements. If they then say, Well, God murders the little ones, and I'll say, Do you want the biblical answer? Because if you're arguing biblically, I can answer you. If you're not arguing biblically, you're doing what's called an external critique.
Are you familiar with the difference between an internal and an external critique? Are you familiar? Am I still failure? I'm not.
Okay. So It's like this. Here's an internal an external critique. The Quran is false because the Bible said it's false. Or, here's another example: the Bible's false because the Quran says it's false.
That means one thing is being judged by something external to it. That's called an external critique. An internal critique is the Quran is not true because it contradicts itself.
So now that's called an internal critique. Or someone might say, an internal critique of the Bible is the Bible contradicts itself, therefore it cannot be true. These would be the statements that are supporting the idea of what's called an internal critique. You have to be aware of what's called an internal versus an external critique. What the atheists often do is pretend like they're doing an internal critique when they're doing an external critique.
Let me give an example.
So In Deuteronomy 23, 4, 2, 34.
So God had even the children wiped out. All right. So I'll ask him, I'll say, Well, there's that verse. I said, Is that right or wrong? If they are going to argue from an internal critique, they lose.
If they argue from an external critique, they lose. I'll explain why. An internal critique means that inside the Bible is where you develop the argument. Since the Bible says in Romans 3:23, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and in Romans 5:19, By the one transgression of Adam, the many were made sinners, even the children were by nature children of wrath, Ephesians 2:3.
So God has the right to execute judgment upon anybody and everybody because they're all under sin and therefore since weight is in his death, Romans 6:23. And I'll tell them this is the internal critique, and I'll say, from an internal perspective, you have no leg to stand on, because internally, the Bible says that God can execute whom he desires for the reason he does, because all are under judgment to begin with.
Now I'd say to them, if you're doing an external critique. Yeah, if you're doing an external critique, you're saying that you have a moral standard that you're applying to the Bible. You're saying God is wrong because he shouldn't do this. And I'll say, well, why is he wrong? If they go to the internal critique, they can't win.
If they go to the external critique, when I'm going to ask them, well, what universal standard of morality do you have by which you then judge a God of the Bible? You have to establish a morality that is universal and applicable, not just your opinion. You see, this is what you do. What you're doing when you take this kind of approach is you are instructing, guiding, and refuting. One step after another.
I've only done this hundreds of times, hundreds of times.
So, you need to learn what an internal versus an external critique is. Whenever an atheist brings the morality argument up. If it's an internal critique, you need to know the verses where all people are under judgment of God. It's easy. Romans 5:19.
Okay. 1 Corinthians 2.14. It's easy to memorize those. And if they do an external critique, what justifies their opinion as being the right one? They can't do that.
Either way, they lose the argument.
Okay. Right.
Okay. Yeah, I'll I'll look into that like. Internal, I mean, because I want to be efficient of how I'm explaining it, you know, when I'm engaging with the atheists and. Uh-huh. You know it's Now, here, look, let's practice this.
It's frustrating because, I mean, they're constantly. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Okay, look, I wrote a book called Apologetics and Atheism. It's on Amazon.
Okay. You might want to go get that and read through it. Yeah. It'll help you. Yeah.
Apologetics and Atheism. I want to write a series: Apologetics and Mormonism, and Apologetics and Evolution, apologetics, and. And I just did that years ago to give it a try, and I write it in a very casual kind of form so that the average Joe can get it. And it's had good reviews.
So that's one possibility: apologetics and atheism, and go check it out.
Okay?
Now, For sure. An atheist comes up to you and says In light of what you just said about him killing even the little ones, well, they're innocent. What are you going to say? They're innocent. I'm going to say that.
Actually, that we're all born children of wrath.
So, God, it was what verse is that? What verse is it? Did you reference Deuteronomy? Deuteronomy? I could say it.
Okay, hold on.
So, this is what you need to do. That verse is Ephesians 2:3. We are by nature children of wrath.
So what you need to do When you're debating with atheists, you need to keep an outline. You do it online. When you talk to them, if they ask you a question you don't know, you say, That's a good question. I don't have an answer right now, I need to study. You say, I'm going to write down the question.
I've done this many times. What is your question? And then you write down who they are, whatever, and you say: if you give me an email address, I'll write it, I'll give you an answer. And they're intimidated a lot of times by this. And I'll say, is that what you'd like?
And well, no, I'm not going to give you my information.
Well, okay, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'm going to research it anyway, and then if we come up again and you talk to me about this, I'll have an answer for you by that time. And this is what I'll do. And I'll write out anything.
Well, they want you to go in. Yeah, they want you to go into these arguments, kind of like unprepared. And you always have traps. Atheism is so. Let me tell you, atheists are so easy to defeat.
It's child's play. Right.
And a lot of times I'll be talking to them, and I'll say, after, you know, I'll say, next. Because they don't have an argument. They don't have a legislature. Hold on, brother. We got a break, okay?
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Okay, buddy, still there. Yes, I'm here. Yep. Okay, now I'm going to tell you something you need to do. You trust me.
You need to do this. This is important. You listening? All right. I'm awesome.
You need to use a word processor, either Google Docs or Word, whatever it is you do. online so you can see it online and on your phone. And there's easy ways to do that. You need to learn. how to do outlines.
And you have a file. I have one. I have probably thirty outlines that I'm working on, or maybe thirty. And I have an alphabetical annihilationism, artificial intelligence, atheism, baptism. It goes down to.
to word of faith. I have slavery, science, religions, quantum mechanics, physics. philosophy, presuppositionalism, people. open theism, I have these outlines. The reason I do this is oh you know why do it for a living is say I'm talking about Roman Catholicism.
I'm going to open up my Catholic file. And it's 260 pages of material. I have it outlined, and I have, I'm just telling you what to do, this really works. It really works well. You can do it in Google Docs, same thing.
You create, like, do it, atheism. It's just called outline. I do it, outlines on atheism. Because I know what it is. Outlines on, I know what that is.
And you create this file, and you make sure that you can access it on your phone and your computer wherever you are. All you gotta do is log in, there it is. And then you learn how to do an outline, and you do the first level. Uh objections. Just type the word objections.
From atheists. And then you hit tab and you hit enter, and then you have a second level. Objections is atheist objections, right? It's objections to the Bible. You could say philosophical, or you could have objections hyphen philosophical, objections hyphen biblical.
Whatever it is, objections hyphen moral. You can do it that way if you want.
So, all objections are in one area, but those are alphabetized. And you could do it that way if you want, if that's how your brain works. If it doesn't, you say moral objections or moral problems. But the thing is, you want to do these main columns and you alphabetize them. And then you do an indent under each area, and you put your notes.
And your notes, I'll tell you about the notes first in a bit. But what I do with my first level is I type in, like for example, in Roman Catholicism, my biggest outline I have. I have uh a heading called authority, another one called Apocrypha, another one called Baptism, another one called Sacraments, another one called uh you know the Eucharist. And these are the main headings. And so what I do is I type the word like Eucharist with an asterisk behind it.
The reason I do that is because the word Eucharist might occur a hundred times in there.
Well, I'm looking for a particular category.
So I just learned I do Eucharist with an asterisk on top. That is a main heading, a number one level heading.
So if I type it, I hit Control Le, Eucharist, Asterisk boom, it finds it, and then I find that particular section. or have a section on Mary.
Now the word Mary may occur A hundred times. But I do Mary uh asterisk And it goes right to it, and then I have indented underneath each one. Attributes to Mary, Mary godlike qualities. Uh titles of Mary. Appearances of Mary.
And I'll do that second level. And I also put a second level on it so it shows up on the left side of the screen. Because in both Word and in Google Docs, You do this outline thing, the outline shows up on the left side of the column. It shows up on the left.
So now, what you're doing is when you want to get to a category, you can either type in Mary Asterisk. Boom, or you can look down on the left and see your hundred categories that you've developed, or I have about 50 with Catholicism. And then you go through and you can put all your sub-information. You can do this with atheism. And so, with atheism, you have atheism hyphen def defined.
And there's different kinds of atheism. Or whatever problem you come up with, atheist objections. And then you know, you have that objections, asterisk, whatever it is. You hit enter, goes to the next line, you hit tab, it goes in one, and then you You start typing, and then you have to make a category for that anyway. And so you put down their objections, and then you write down an answer for each one.
Because of the word verses, start with a V, that's at the end, which is where I love it.
So, whenever I, like with Catholicism, I have over 100 verses, literally over 100 verses, in order that I just scroll down and I see. What verse that they are bringing up for whatever reason, and I go through and I click on that link, it goes right to my document inside of there, I see what their objection is. And I read my response that I've had time to think about. And write, because sometimes I forget stuff. There's a lot to know.
Yeah, yeah. So that's what you do. No. Yeah, no, I think that's a that's an awesome Way to, I mean, just be organized because you, like I was saying, you have to be organized when you go and prepared when you go into these. conversations because Yes.
I mean, if you if you have some context of what you're talking about in that subcategory. to like an objection, then You can at least pull from that, right? To kind of at least know: hey, I need to, this is how I attack it, right? Or counter it. Right.
That's right. And you're going to learn. And this document, at first, you're going to wonder, well, how much information could I put in here? One or two pages? Oh, it'll be 50, 60, 70, 80 pages.
You're going to find out that atheists, if you do this kind of a thing, you'll find out atheists will have philosophical arguments.
So then you do philosophy asterisk Hit enter. And what I do is I have level one and level two.
So he has to do level one and you you make it a heading one. Then I hit tab, I hit enter, and then I hit tab, it indents it one. And then, whatever it's going to be, philosophy, say I'm doing that, I might say nominalism. And then I'm going to type the word nominalism. I'm going to hit enter again and tab again.
It goes into a third level. then I make nominalism the second level Um So I can see it in the left uh I need to do a video on this. See it on the left side, outline. That way, you're producing an outline. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Okay. I was going to say, if you could actually do like a. Um Maybe, like on Team Viewer or something, you could record the screen and then kind of do a voiceover of how you do it. And post it like on your website or something. That would be helpful because I'm pretty visual too.
I mean, I'm trying to follow what you're saying, but it's uh. you know, to actually see it would definitely help. Yeah, I'll do that. And people have wanted me to, and I use these things extensively. And my notes on, like I said, Roman Catholicism is over 260 pages, and Eastern Orthodoxy is like 220 pages.
And I have stuff on science. And I think it's like 60 pages. On Calvinism, I think it's around 50 or 60. On Baptism, I think it's around 50. And so if someone brings up a topic, All I do, like I'm on the radio, I just pick up a topic, like I have my open my Roman Catholicism outline open.
All right. It's 136,000 words long. I do this for a living, okay?
So, I mean, that's why I got issues. All right. I love this stuff.
So hey, that's a good, I would say that's a good issue to have, wanting to learn and expand yourself your knowledge, you know what I mean? Like there's That that's always a good thing, but kind of to go off the topic somewhat is Yeah, you've had a couple of debates with a Matt Dill, honey. Yes, when bringing up morality. I would say probably nine times out of ten he brings up slavery. And I know that you had mentioned that.
Um you know, because he he always references Leviticus, where it's basically Tallian. Um instructing individuals on how to like Treat their slaves and stuff in that book. Yep. Um And I know that one of the the Christian uh You know, counters to that is what it was like a different time, and it was like a and there's a certain word like servitude or s like indentured. Indentured servitude.
Indentured servitude, yes. Yeah, yeah. So that's that's kind of the the angle they take on it, but he always goes like the bottom line is they're instructing you and you have that person to kind of do as you will, so you own that person.
So there's like, there's no way around it. Kind of like. Yes, now my my outline on slavery is only 18 pages long, okay? And so when I'm looking at it, and on the left-hand side, slavery def definition and uh gentle slaves Gentile slaves versus Uh I think uh but uh versus Jewish slaves, okay? Yeah.
And so then I have another one called Types of Slavery.
So now I'm gonna go type to slavery. There's chattel. indentured servitude, prisoners of war, servants. And I'm going to say things. I'm going to say, well, what kind of slave are you talking about?
And they'll say, it doesn't matter. I say, well, yes it does. What kind are you talking about? If you're going to just lump everything under one umbrella into one pile, are they all equal? Because in the Bible, if you say slaves were property the way an object was a property, slaves who escaped their bad masters.
were not to be returned as property was.
So they cannot be considered property, not in the chattel slavery sense. And I'll say, Did you know that? Mm. Yeah. Characteristics of biblical slavery.
Characteristics. They're not to be treated with severity. They could go to war. They could inherit property. What was a member of the master's household?
Could be in control of entire households. I'm not even reading the references.
Okay. Were required to rest on the Sabbath, Exodus 20:10. Were sometimes trusted advisors, 1 Samuel 9, 5 to 11 through 10, etc. Would participate in religious observances, could not be extradited, free from when injured, were to receive gifts when freed that enable them to survive economically, escape slavery, not to be returned, as was property. I say, did you know this?
I asked. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, I wanted to kinda like bring this up, like Because we're all kind of, in a sense, we're kind of like slaves to the system, right?
So There's some type of structure. That's how we're. No, no, you don't want to go there. Do you understand? I don't want to go there.
No, slaves are some kind of system.
Now you're using slavery in a very loose sense. They're not talking about that. And so they'll rip you up on that.
Okay. So I I I know, but what I'm what I'm saying is like Back then, they didn't have governments and structures. Yes, they did.
So it's like that. Yes, they did.
You're saying. Oh, in Leviticus you're saying in Leviticus? Yes, there is. Yes, they have government. Yes, they have.
Okay, yes, they had a governmental structure, as was advocated by God to the judges of Israel who were ruling. There were rules that they were to follow about what property to have, not to have. There's civil penalties, etc. All right. And then I'll say, well, slaves are beaten.
I'll say, yeah, as were the Jews. The Jews were also beaten. They had the same punishment went to them.
Now, there's books on slavery you can get, and you can read my stuff. I've written a whole section on slavery on Karm. Yeah. I want to check it out because that's one of the Matt Dilahani's go-to for. to argue morality.
So and I had brought it up to you before and I said you hadn't you hadn't written anything on it at that time, but I'm glad that you did it. It depends what you're talking about here.
Now, the music's going to start any second, but look, you can come back tomorrow. We can go through this some more. I have lots of information, and it's on Carm. It's what I do. I write this stuff down so people can benefit from it.
Okay?
All right, brother. God bless you. All right, brother. God bless. Hey folks, we are out of time, as is obvious.
May the Lord bless you by his... Grace, I'm back on here tomorrow. We'll have time to talk about this tomorrow if you want. And I hope you have a great evening. God bless everyone.
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