Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live.

Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick.

Listen to Matt Slick live. We are having a bit of a problem on the online stuff, but we'll get online from my end, and we'll try to get to work on it here a little bit, but just letting you know. So if you want to give me a call, as usual, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you.

Give me a call. It is easy to do, and hopefully everything will be fine. You can do that. All right, so we've got this, we've got that, and yeah, all of a sudden my, boy, everything is just not working. It is really strange. So I don't know why, but that's okay. We'll just have to figure it out. All right. Hey, I hope you're all having a good day. So we've got stuff to talk about, and we've got emails.

So if you want, you can email me at info at karm.org, info at karm.org, and if you have a comment or a question, just put in there a comment or question, you know, just a radio comment or radio question, and you can contact me that way. All right. All right. So there you go. May the Lord bless you, and hey, I think I'm getting this thing figured out here on what's happening with the camera thing, not sure, because I had to uninstall it, install it, and we'll see if it works now.

I don't know. All right. May the Lord bless this whole effort. Man, I'm going to tell you, sometimes it just takes a lot of work to get things to go, and that's what it is. So everything looks like it might work.

We'll see what happens, see if it kicks in or not. I'll do some troubleshooting later. Good thing I'm an ex-computer tech. I can figure things out, but nevertheless. All right. So if you're new to the show, I'm a Christian apologist, and I defend the Christian faith.

So hopefully you'll be able to, if you want, you can give me a call. We can talk about whatever you want to talk about. We can talk about Christianity, Muslims, Islam. In fact, that reminds me, I watched a series, I watched, my wife and I watched this series on Netflix on the FLDS, the fundamentalist church Latter-day Saints. Wow. I'd known about it.

In fact, I actually used to know a guy, I lost contact with him, but I used to know a guy who was in that group and he left and he was telling me a lot of stuff about it. And I watched this, my wife and I watched this documentary and it was so interesting that after the first one, first one was interesting, but after that it got really interesting. And we watched four of them, three of them last night.

And because my wife's, you know, she goes a bit early before I do and she couldn't handle, um, you know, she said, can't say it bad like, like I can. And so anyway, uh, so this thing, even she stayed up and we watched, it was really good. It was really good. So I would, if you are interested and you can go to Netflix or not, but, uh, you go check it out. And, uh, that is so interesting why that's having trouble, just having trouble with the video feed.

I don't know why, but I'll work on it. So there you go. And, uh, I want to hear from you.

Give me a call 877-207-2276. And, uh, I think it gives us some of the emails and do some of the questions with, uh, with radio questions and comments. We have a lot. So sometimes I get to them sometimes I didn't know.

Now I'm gonna tell you, the radio kind of slows down at the end of the year. Uh, callers that is, cause people are out doing stuff and that's fine. So, uh, you know, that's just what it is. All right.

Let's just jump on the air here or excuse me, get on the emails. My question is, why are you so negative towards social? Oh, I already did that one. When Jesus said so many things aligned with socialism, see that, that kind of statement, I did address this on, on politics and stuff I did last week, but it really irks me that people they're just being brainwashed into socialism. It's just a dangerous and no good system.

And so, uh, Christianity does not teach socialism. It's not what it was. It's not what it is. Uh, it's really bad. So anyway, there's that. Um, so what I want you to do if you want, give me a call 877-207-2276. All right.

And I'll get rid of that email and go to the next one. And this one says, if the Jews hate Christ, now why would they? Because they're God's chosen people because God is covenantal. Now this is a, an important thing to talk about because covenantal ism deals with a contractual agreement or, or a contractual arrangement and different covenants have different stipulations. There are covenants that are broken upon death. For example, my wife and I, when one of us dies, the other one is no longer married because that's the till death do you part covenant. And there are covenants that, uh, don't end. Like for example, God promises to do certain things in the inter-genetarian covenant.

And so it cannot be broken. So if God has chosen the people of Israel as a nation, he can choose that and not revoke the covenant. Even though they broke the covenant requirements, God has the opportunity to abandon the depending on the rules of the covenant depend, uh, abandon it or continue with it. And so he continues with it and that's why they're still considered God's chosen people.

And let's see, Tom says, yes, sir. I've been listening to the radio program for years as a former United Methodist and son of a United Methodist minister. I have, uh, left the denomination because of the changes that are taking place. I was wondering if you had any recommendations on finding a new church or denomination. It's very disheartening to be in a position because, uh, this position at the nomination was all he had known. Thank you for your time.

Yeah. What'll happen is Charlie here a little bit, we'll put the link in, uh, cause I always forget it, uh, where it is, um, in the private, he'll put it in there on th there's a, there is a, uh, website John MacArthur's website and information has the link for where to go in order to, uh, look for a good church. But I do have recommendations for the basics of finding a good church. And the basics would be, uh, look at the statement of faith and look at the staff.

You can learn a great deal by those two. The first thing I do is go to the staff because if the staff has any women pastors, any women elders, then immediately I just dismiss the, the, the, the church as being a bad one, just that fast. So that's one option. And, uh, in the statement of faith, you want to look for a good statement of faith. Sometimes what'll happen though is a statement of faith will be, let's just say manby pamby ish. They won't really get too far into doctrine.

And that bothers me because you should be very specific in what it is you affirm and deny. And so a lot of churches don't really like the idea of doctrine. And so they, they don't want to have a very deep, very precise statement of faith. Well that generally speaking reflects the preaching style where they don't get very deep into theology. Not that everything has to be theological, but theology is just simply the study of God's word and the study of God and what he has said.

And he's taught all kinds of things in the word, you know, predestination, election, atonement, propitiation, justification, sanctification, covenant, uh, he's taught marriage specifics, child rearing, wisdom, prophecy, history recommendations and things like this that are all in there. And so, um, I think that people need to understand that that aspect of, of biblical preaching is necessary because the Bible is a theological book. And then what happens is, uh, when people preach it instead of a stone skipping, you know, skipping stones, you know, skipping stone theology, which is just a skimming the surface of something and that's it.

And, uh, I find that to be very problematic. And here's the thing is I've been in churches and I talked about it yesterday. I've been in a lot of churches where, where, uh, a mediocre theologically deep at best sermon is preached and the people are, they are enjoying it. And I think it's because they don't know the depth of God's word because they're not, uh, they have not been taught the depth of God's word and the, the wonder of his word and that interrelatedness and the precision of so many topics interrelated that they're, they're just accustomed to pablum, uh, to milk. And I think it's, it's a problem because the Bible instructs us to leave the elementary principles and go on to meet.

And so that's what we're obligated to do to learn these deeper things. And here's another thing. Why is it then in and through the preaching? Why is it that people are not motivated to go out and preach and teach, uh, evangelize, do whatever.

And that's a problem too. I can't help but wonder if there are pastors out there who's preaching, they measure not by the fidelity to the word, but by the size of the congregation. And that's just a question I ask myself about different churches because I'll go to a church that might be significantly large, check it out. And the preaching is often shallow.

And, uh, then, you know, are they equipping the Christians for the work of ministry for the encouraging of them to go and be evangelists, uh, to whatever degree and level they're at and their station of life. And I don't see that occurring. I don't, I don't see it. And so I don't hear it. Uh, so I'm really thinking there's something going on, something wrong. And, uh, I don't know how to deal with that, but that's just what it is. That is what it is.

And it's a problem. So, uh, there's that. And, um, uh, anyway, so anyway, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, I want to hear from you. Give me a call and we can get to your comment or question. So, uh, let's just go to another comment or question.

Uh, let's delete that one. Uh, I've had a lot of personal experiences, which I will share. And I was hoping to get a Christian perspective on when I was younger, my mom and I saw this spirit or ghost, if you will, that would wander our apartment. We asked some others who lived there, they all, and they all saw the same thing. They also said it was this girl who committed suicide one year before.

And when we looked at a picture of the girl who committed suicide, they looked identical to the ghost. I've also had other experiences where I left clothes out for my kids and they completely vanished. Uh, I tried thinking of every logical reason as to why I can't find them and they all failed to explain why they were gone. I even asked for help from others to find a reasonable and logical reason as to why I couldn't find them. It's been six months and I still haven't found them. Some people I've asked told me that it was fairies or gnomes and I just needed to make them a snack and have a peace offering. Oh, okay. Others said I say, I say a prayer to Saint Anthony.

I've also read some other people's experiences and seems convincing that this is paranormal activity out there. I need some help reconciling with my faith. Leo. Leo, if you're listening, we need to talk and you can give me a call and the office, we can figure something out. Um, but what I want to do is go through this email bit by bit and talk about, uh, talk about what's going on there because there are some factors and we get the break coming up in a couple of minutes or a minute and a half or something like that. So I'm stalling a little bit to see if we can get into that. But what I'll do is, uh, is get into, uh, discussing this.

I think a lot of people need to hear about this kind of a thing and what it means, what the, cause there's several factors. Anyway, let me get into it. All right. So, um, let's see. Oh, there we go. Just trying to do this again.

I don't know why my computer isn't allowing certain things. There's a break that works out just fine. All right. So what I'll do is I'll be right back after these messages folks, so please stay tuned and, uh, we'll be right back. All right. Welcome back to the show. I'm glad you're listening and finally got the feed working on some camera issues.

I had to do it while I got a fast computer and it really paid off because I rebooted it during the break. All right. So what I want to do is get you some of the, the, uh, the, I'm going to review this, this issue of the paranormal that's going on and talk about this cause really good email.

It really is a good email. We need to talk about it. So a lot of, uh, experiences.

Okay. When it was younger, uh, mom saw, she and the mom saw a spirit, a ghost. Now what is it? In first Samuel 28 there was an occurrence where, um, Saul was, uh, Samuel was allowed to come back and be visible and talk to Saul.

And so that happened. It doesn't mean that it's normative, but there is an instance of this, which means consciousness after death. So here's something we've got to think about is that, um, demonic forces are extremely bright. They are quite effective at, um, at deception. And so we have to be aware of is the issue of, of deceiving a person can be done by, by a spiritual forces who can mimic your call familiar spirits that can mimic aunt Martha, uncle Joe who passed on. And because of the demonic forces and stuff like that, they often know things that we wouldn't know and they will know things that only the other person would know where objects are, where, you know, bank account is, you know, various things that you can really impress people. And so therefore they will conclude that this, this is really so-and-so and that's contacting them, but it could be demonic force. All right.

Now that's a factor that needs to be examined. All right. Because there are demonic forces out there that are spiritual forces. So the question that becomes, what are they, are they good or bad?

And you have to ask that question because bad ones can imitate what is, uh, is good and sound like it's good. All right. So this, uh, so people said that it was a girl committed suicide one year before. And when, uh, we looked at the picture, was it, it was identical to the ghost. So what I would say is that there's the Bible teaches that when you die, you've got to be with the Lord. Second Corinthians uh, Philippians one 21, 19 to 21. Um, or you go to the bad place and you go to Romans, excuse me, Luke 16, 19 through 31 that talks about that Lazarus and the rich man. So what I conclude ghosts are not the actual individuals that passed on, but, uh, demonic manifestations.

When they come around the house, I do stuff like that. So, uh, that's the rule I'll go by. And it's a rule of thumb and there could be derivations and exceptions, but I'm not going to get into that right now, uh, possibilities, but this is the rule of thumb I go by. I think others should do the same thing because if a girl did commit suicide in a certain context in that place, and then a demonic force knows that it could be that, um, uh, it just imitating now some people say, well, how do you know it isn't really the girl?

Well, because the Bible tells us that they go be with the Lord or they go to the other place and there's no, you don't come back. So that's the issue. That's why I say that. And, um, the person said, I've also had other experiences where left clothes out for the kids and they vanished.

Okay. So having done a little bit of research in this over the years, um, I can tell you that sometimes, how do you put this? There apparently is a connection between young children and some of this activity. Sometimes they're called poltergeists. They are, uh, they are what the heck? How come that's not working? Well, that's weird. Uh, okay. That's really weird. I'll have to get out of it and come back in.

All right. So a poltergeist is one of the words that is used to describe certain, um, activities that happen around largely around children or a home where children are there and objects move, things disappear. Uh, I don't know why it is the case, but it seems to be the case that, um, it happens with kids around. So I don't know, you know, I'm not sure what to tell you. Uh, but that's what it seems to be sometimes. So that's why if I was talking to the person, I'd say, how old are your kids?

And you know, as they get older, how does the phenomenon die down? And I don't know what the connection is, but this is some of the research I've found that there's a commonality there. So people got theories about it, but I don't really know.

So he said, try thinking of a very logical reason and can't find any. Well, it's certainly possible that someone took the clothes. It's possible that the woman, uh, or Leo, I guess the guy, uh, took the clothes and doesn't remember. I mean, these are just possibilities, but generally speaking, the person would not, they've done stuff like that.

So, uh, is it a demonic force? It certainly is possible that something like that has happened. You know, people all over the world have stories of things just disappearing. And I mean, inexplicably, I've got, I've got one too, of an object that disappeared within 20 seconds of me putting it someplace and it was gone.

I've never found it. And I was working on a car and I still remember this to this day. I once had been 19 or 20 or 21, I don't know, 22. And, uh, I was on my back working underneath my, my car and I was doing something with the clutch. And so I put a nine sixteenths, uh, short, shallow socket head down on the cement right next to me.

And I specifically remember setting it to such a place that I would say it was easy reach and it was not on its side. So it wasn't going to roll. There was no animals, there was no people out there, it was nothing. It was just me. I put that thing down and, uh, I, I did a double wrench and I broke something loose and then it came back to it and it was gone. And, uh, that was, it's a minor thing, but I got out from underneath that car and looked everywhere and it was nobody there.

There was no animals there. And I wouldn't even, even went to the house and I was working at my mom and dad's house at the big driveway. And I said, mom, did, did you come out and take this?

She says, what are you talking about? And it just disappeared. So I always thought that a good star Trek episode episode would be that they go through some dimension warp, you know, they're going through this one dimension.

Things aren't right there. And people are recognizing there's my old socks that I lost. You know, there's this, they all go to another dimension, all these objects and I thought it'd be kind of funny. So anyway, uh, I still remember it. I could still see, as I'm talking about, I could still see that socket at how shiny it was in the chrome and light on it. And there it was sitting there. And then I just broke a bolt loose, came back to change the side on something and it was gone and I'd never found it. So, and then some people, they lose their sanity and never find that either, but that's kind of really common. So any rate, uh, to get back to the more serious aspect of things, this is common. People experience these things.

They experience presence of, of figures. And my mom, uh, before she passed away, she had, um, in hospice and she was there for a few days and then, you know, she had her condition was so bad. She's gone. And my dad was there one night, uh, shortly before she passed and, um, said that she said to him, who's that man standing next to you? And, uh, he looked and there was nobody there. And she said, what man?

And she said, I can see him sitting next to you. And, uh, you know, when people are near end of life, uh, these kinds of stories are kind of common. So what's going on? Are they imagining something? Well, you know, possibly they sing something, possibly what it is. I don't know.

Can't tell you what all things are in those situations, but there you go. Hey, look, I'll be right back folks. After these messages, please stay tuned and we'll get to the callers. Be right back. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. And welcome back to the show.

If you want to give me a call, we have an open line 877-207-2276 Herb from Raleigh, North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. First of all, I want to tell you all of your staff, um, God bless you.

Hope you have a great Christmas and a great holiday season. Um, and just two quick questions. What's your feeling or what's your maybe possible past experience with Dr. Charles Stanley or, uh, Dr. J. Vern McGee. If you ever meet him or have done McGee, you probably didn't, but any correspondence or any what's your feeling about them? I love, I love listening to them. Like I love listening to you.

I just want your end to it. Well, they both are good. Uh, and I would have no problem with them. I didn't know. Don't know of anything of either one of those that are symptomatic. Now it might have some disagreements on a few things, minor things, but so what J. Vern McGee, I used to listen to a lot back in Southern California and uh, you know, he's a great guy and there was some things I'm like, nah, I don't agree with that.

But you know, it's a kind of thing like pre-trib rapture, post-trib rapture, you agreed on, you know, stuff like that. But he was a great teacher and Charles Stanley I've heard is very good too. I, I'm wary of his son, but other than that, those were good guys. I agree with you about his son. It's not, he's totally opposite.

So I'm almost like he's totally opposite what his father was, but okay. Well, I've, I've been wanting to ask you that for a long time, but I thought that's kind of a really big important question is more important things about the Lord and things, but I just kind of wanted to get your feeling on that. And I just want to tell you too, man, I'm so grateful to the Lord that he gives you this show to, to talk to us, to minister to us.

I mean, it's, it's truly a blessing. I, I listen to you every day. I possibly can. And I listen to you online, you know, repeats and just, I just really thoroughly enjoy your show and I wish you and your wife nothing but the best and I will continue. My wife and I will continue to pray for you and your family. Well, thank you. I really appreciate that. I really do. Thank you.

Absolutely. God bless you, Matt. You take care. You too, man. God bless.

All right. And that does remind me, I'm going to just put a word out. I'm going to ask that listeners would pray for my wife. Um, you know, I keep, not keep, but occasionally I'll mention her and, uh, she is really struggling with a lot of pain. And so if you would just remember their prayers, uh, Mrs. Slick, you know, and, uh, that God would heal her. She has some serious issues. We had to go to a doctor today and stuff like that. We're going to too many details.

Otherwise she'd give me an arm hit, which I like, but she can't even do arm hits anymore because it would hurt her. So it's unfortunate, but that's, you know, lifting things up. All right, let's get to Nathan from California. Nathan, welcome. You are on the air. I am. It's been a while. Um, if you remember me, you'll remember your voice. You always, you always put, yeah, my voice is bad because of my apple. Yeah. Um, yeah. I have to say that, um, my question first, first, I'd like to say that, um, I'll hope you have a great new year and Thanksgiving and everything you have. I'd like to pray for your wife to let her hope for it as she gets better and be perfect. My friend, um, she's, uh, she's offering and I appreciate that.

And believe me, I would play more better. No, I'm like, you always tell me, um, I'd like to know about, um, the word, which is it correct to say, which for little kids to, to, um, like tell them I once when my daughter releases, which I will don't say that, please, please don't say that. You know, because I've read about them and, um, the black wits, white wits from, uh, cults with people that become, which is, you know, I just want to know if the, which is, I don't know if it's okay to use the word to say which just to use it for my daughter to play with it. Um, it's a good, you know, a witch, you know, stuff like that.

I don't know. Um, it's okay to say the word. It's not a big deal. Yeah. I understand.

It's okay. You know, but to use it in a way, you know, just to always like it to like being a witch, you know, which is being a witch is very bad. It's demonic. Yeah, it is.

And so, uh, we need to be aware of what witchcraft is and its dangers that are associated with it. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah.

Because, um, as if you mind, um, I'm reading here, um, the, the weaker or the white, I don't know. Wicca. Yeah. Wicca. Yeah. It's called the white, white, white. It's a form of witchcraft.

Yes. Depending on how you want to define witchcraft, but see, witchcraft is basically a people or the practice of, of using, uh, words, formulas, incantations, potions, uh, seances, uh, ceremonies in order to contact and influence the spiritual realm for desire that you have. That's witchcraft. And so it can, it's a broad definition here. And so Wicca would fall underneath that. And so would some of the Christian stuff. Yeah.

So it's, it's alive and well, and, uh, witchcraft is growing and there's a tens of people involved, tens of millions of people. But I, I just wanted to know if it would be okay for my daughter to say, um, or watch, um, which cartoons, you know, I don't matter. She's 10. I wouldn't let her watch it.

Are you kidding? No way. I wouldn't let her. You wouldn't let her watch it, would you? Heck no. I would not let my children watch anything with witchcraft in it. Nope. We stopped them from watching Sesame street when they started teaching, when Sesame street started teaching about how to get angry.

No, I'm serious. They were, they were getting angry and throwing things. It's okay to get angry and like, what? And, uh, we said, that's enough of that. And so, uh, you know, forget it. The witchcraft stuff was not allowed on our TVs.

Nope. Siances, witchcraft stuff. They're just, they're designed to get to the kids and make it just what's acceptable and entertainment. And it's a, it's, it's very bad. So when Harry Potter stuff came out and people wanted to watch Harry Potter and our kids were of the age where they could watch that and what my wife and I just said, Nope. Um, and then our oldest daughter who read her first novel at four, she, uh, she very politely said, dad, can I read a Harry Potter novel? And I said, tell you what, I'll do it. Let me read it first. And so I did.

And I said, yeah, go ahead. Because she was, uh, you know, very intelligent and, uh, could discern good from bad. You know, she, it was not a problem.

He just enjoyed it. She's a voracious reader. So, but the other ones, no, you know, it just depends on the child too. And so you're going to be very, very careful. Okay.

Yeah. My child doesn't know, which is, I have to say that because he doesn't know, um, the complete Bible or anything if you know what I mean at 10 years old. And, um, I, I cannot stand just hearing the name, which, um, because of what I studied of the occult and stuff like that, I always pray before I do that.

But, um, to me, it's, it's terrible. And also the cartoons that you have got a witchcraft, he's got some, something he's got a witch, some, uh, witchcraft thing. Um, is that okay? Even to watch witchcraft?

I thought you said we're doing no, no, I'll correct. I, uh, I, I would not, and this is people are, they can do what they want, but I did not let my kids watch witchcraft cartoons and things like that. Okay.

Well, then they're just regular cartoons. Like, um, I don't know. Pink Panther.

I don't know. I don't even know what Pink Panther is about, but I watch it because it makes noise. You know, I let her watch it because it made it. It's funny. Well, the old, the old stuff is, is, uh, you know, it was good so to speak, but the new stuff is full of witchcraft, the occult, homosexual stuff. It's just brainwashing the children. And, uh, exactly.

Like they make witches and stuff like that. And I can't stand, I can't stand it. Right. And I don't let her watch.

I don't let her watch it. I believe there's a break. We're going to get going. So there's a break, but, uh, okay.

Hopefully that'll help you. All right, buddy. There we go, man. All right. Well, God bless and folks will be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. Be right back. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, we have a, let's see, two open lines, 877-207-2276.

Troy from Connecticut. Welcome. You are on the air.

Hey, how you doing, Matt? All right, man. I'm calling about 2nd Corinthians, uh, 618 where it mentioned that I'll be a father. And I know the, the is a definite article. So why would the A be in front of the father? Why would what? The word, the letter A in 2nd Corinthians 6 and 2.

What about it? Why was the indefinite article there? I would be a father. Would that be considered more than one father's?

No, it's just a, it's the accusative direct object. So, uh, I'll be a father. And what Paul is doing is, is, uh, altering something out of 2nd Samuel 7, uh, which is a reference when God was talking about, talking about familial relation, that our family relationship with God is a way to look at it. He's going to be a father to us because the word you in there is plural. And then he alters a text and you should be sons and daughters to me. So it's just to talk, all it's doing is just talking about, um, family, the idea of God being fam, familial to us, like a father to us. And that's what's going on as a privilege in Christianity. So that's all it means. And uh, I'll be, you know, a father to you.

It's just not saying there's another father out there. It's just a turn of a phrase. That's all. Okay.

That's what it is. Okay. That's what I'm all right. Then you have a good night. You too.

Well, God bless Troy. All right. All right.

Well, let's see. We have, uh, I don't know, 10, 10, 12 minutes left in the show. I've got three open lines, eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

Let's get to Tony from Greensboro, North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, good evening. How are you doing? Yes, I can hear you. A little background noise. You're on the freeway or some driving, but that's okay. What do you got then?

I drive a postal service. I'm just calling in, you know, as a Christian, um, I just want your take on it. We've got these, uh, family problems. We've seemed to have was my stepdaughter, my wife's daughter.

Uh, she, we were always so close and then she got married. Grandkids come along. We've got saw them and two and a half years and we've got the last time I've got a son-in-law, you know, it obviously wants to preach to me about how man came from monkeys and gay was okay. And you know, and the last time we were there, I asked him four different times to agree to disagree, you know, and the Bible's watered down, tried and tried to talk to him, but it bothers me that's absolutely broken my wife's heart that I can only feel, you know, a certain void. And then after that, there's only so much you can do. And one of the grandchildren is real small at the time. And, and, uh, she ran into her in the store and her, uh, her smallest granddaughter looked up at her and smiles and she's afraid to even talk to her. So it's a bad, bad situation.

I'm sure you've heard it before. And I, you know, my, my way of saying that I just took up for God and I won't continue to no matter what the cost, but you know, we really don't know what to do. And, you know, we just, we, uh, we're just kind of lost with that, you know, Christmas time and all coming up and you know, she's having to deal with this even more so than me. And I really don't, you know, I'm out of with, I just don't know anything else we can do praying every day, but you know, it's not gotten any better.

And I don't think that it will, you know, because of the situation that, that they're into. So, but anyway, I just want your thoughts on that. Well, here's some things to think about. Okay. First of all, you got to pray. All right. And when you pray, be very specific in your prayer requests with God, very specific at what it is that you're asking. Okay.

And not just generic, make it better. Okay. That's one thing, but let's say you have a conversation with them and they say that evolution is true. Well, instead of battling them on that, which I could do, I know how to, but you could just say, well, does that mean Jesus didn't rise from the dead? If evolution is true, what do you do?

What do you do about his resurrection still? Well, the Bible is corrupted. Well, actually it's not.

You're written early and I'd go through all that kind of stuff. If they want to talk about homosexuality and the, you know, they're brainwashed and radicalized with the alphabet mob mentality, then what I would do is once you mute yourself, you got a lot of noise in the background. Okay. Mute yourself on the phone. Yeah.

Because yeah, I'm sorry for that. Yeah. Mute yourself.

I can just get, it's so loud. Um, and so with the issue with the issue. Okay. So I guess so.

I think so. All right. All right. So with the, so with the issue of the homosexual LGBT mob, uh, crap that's, that's coming around. All right. And everybody thinks it's normal and it's good. I would still say, well, okay, what do you do?

Uh, I hear what you're saying, but Jesus rose from the dead. What do you think about that? And this way you're not battling them on these issues for them. Now I could do it, but you know, they don't want to be, they don't want to be gutted and cleaned and gutted. You know, I can do that with people.

I know how to, no, it doesn't work here. Here's a problem. Here's a problem, you know, and all this stuff, but you know, okay.

That's not going to help particularly with his family. So you just say, well, Jesus rose from the dead. What do you do with that? You know, cause that tells me that what he said was true. I think that's important.

Whether you believe in evolution or homosexuality or not, he rose from the dead. So I think that's important. And you can just deflect everything else away and, you know, say, well, that's your, you know, you have that, that opinion.

And if they say, well, I don't want to talk about it. The Bible's corrupted. Well, have you studied that to see if it is, because if he really did rise from the dead, that's important. Why is it so significant? And you ask a question that caused them to think, and that's, you're done.

Why is it so significant that he rose from the dead? So you can do stuff like that. I mean, okay. Yeah, sir, I've tried every conceivable way.

I just don't know. It's one of these things where, you know, I've tried to explain to him, it's like me rebuilding an engine. I've got a Chilton's book on a much lower scale, and I'm just going to torque everything the way I want it, and still the way the book says, and then the engine flies apart. And, you know, maybe I didn't know as much as I thought I did, you know, and that's, that's what I try. And, you know, my stepdaughter, she's saying, well, you know, he's got a right to his opinions. I said, opinions have no bearing on reality. I said, you do if we're talking about cars here, but when it comes to God and the Bible, opinions are all off. I said, just read the Bible and study it, and you'll see what I'm trying to say. But, you know, I don't know if this is the point. But here's the thing. Chris is coming up with a problem.

To say, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. So to say read the Bible may or may not work, but generally speaking, people who are into evolution and, and, uh, the alphabet, uh, mafia stuff, they in the radicalization that's occurred, they don't want to hear anything about the Bible. And so you say, read the Bible. We're not going to do that. So what I would rather to do, like I said, is I've done this with atheists many times. You've argued about all kinds of stuff and I'll say, can I just shift gears?

Yeah. Jesus rose from the dead according to the eyewitnesses. What do you do with that? And that's a really interesting conversation because it gets right to the heart of the issue because I want them to face that his resurrection proves what he said was true. And all they can do is dismiss it. He will not disagree with me on that. I mean, he says he believes in Christ, but yet, you know, and I told him, I said, homosexuality is an abomination in God's eyes.

There's no other way to put it. And, and, and, and you just get to the point, like I said earlier, I'll ask him like four different times. Let's just agree to disagree because I'm never going to believe it.

He wants to push that stuff on me and I'm not going to do it. And I'm standing up for God and I know I'm right. And I'm going to, if I'm wrong, I'll apologize. But this is one thing that I know I'm not wrong on. So, you know, that's how I don't know what's going on ever since I've known him. Have him call me on the radio show and we can talk, say, Hey, there's this guy named Slick on the radio.

He could talk to you about this stuff. But, uh, the issue of homosexuality, sometimes what they'll do when I'm discussing this issue is they will say, are homosexuals going to hell, Matt? Is that what your homosexuals are? And my response is everybody who rejects Christ is going to hell. Whether you're adults are homosexual, a liar, or a really nice little old lady, it doesn't matter. What matters is have you trusted in Christ for the forgiveness of your sins?

If you have not, then everybody's going to go to hell who has rejected Christ, whether they're homosexual or not. And then I ask them, why do you, and I'll say, why do you elevate that particular action to a different level of the other ones and say, this is how you're going to judge God and judge righteousness. Let's say the problem with that is, and I'll throw this out really quickly. I say, you have to be in touch with a universal standard of morality. Where are you getting this from? You just say it's the right thing to do.

Really? Who says, show me the universal, show me the transcendental necessity, show me where it is out there in the universe, that this is how it's supposed to be. You're just giving me an opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, but so what? I say, so I say, you have nothing to stand on depending on how deep I want to get with them, but I'll say you have nothing to stand on. You don't understand the issues here.

You're just giving an opinion and you want to force it on others and you want everyone to comply to your opinion. And they'll say, well, what's your opinion about homosexuality? You say, well, mine comes from the word of God. And you know, so again, Jesus rose from the dead.

What are you going to do with that? And that's the kind of thing, you know, and you've got to get to the resurrection. If he says he believes in Christ's resurrection, then say, well, good. What does Jesus say about this?

Just ask questions. Well, it's kind of like, you know, I don't want to get off on the Catholic, but you know, you know, my understanding, please, you can pray someone into heaven after they're dead, but if that's the case, why did Jesus go to the cross for them? If you can just live like crap for the rest of all your life and then all of a sudden you've got a, you got a purgatory or you can pray someone into heaven after they're dead. I mean, why did, you know, that's the kind of the way I understand it.

I don't know. I've not studied Catholics a lot, but you know, I don't want to, you know, Catholicism is bankrupt. It's apostate. It's false.

So, you know, don't use them as a standard. But, uh, so yeah, there's just a lot, but just, I like the resurrection of Christ. Everything falls ultimately to that. Did he rise from the dead?

Yes, he did. That proves what he said is true. And I have been using that more and more as a, as a final stop for people. I discuss various things in all contexts. Okay. That's what I recommend.

Give it a shot. Okay. All right, brother. I appreciate you.

God bless you. All right. See if you might want to call me up on the show. We could talk, you know, it'd be polite. All right. Yeah.

If I could get him to, if I could get him to do that, that would be great. But, uh, I've been willing to try anything, you know, to help the situation, but you know, it's, it's, it's kind of a, it's a sad one because we're getting older and every day, the day lasts. You're going to, you know, you're not going to know each other in heaven. Like, you know, each other here. I mean, I don't, I don't believe you are.

I know you don't know each other, but I believe it's going to be different. I think Christ said in the Bible, the other marriages for people on earth, you know, but anyway, God bless you. Thank you for your, for your help. And you, you have a blessed night. All right. Well, God bless. All right.

Well, that was Tony from Greensboro, North Carolina. Interesting discussion. And, um, you know, folks, uh, all the stuff that I know and all the Bible verses and the arguments and quotes from different this's and that's, and I cannot argue a lot of people that's not, you know, it's like, Hey, notches in my Bible.

That's not it. It's just that you've got to come down to who's Jesus. What did he do in the cross? He rose from the dead. And I've been focusing more and more on that. Just to say, well, okay, you got all your arguments and I can answer them.

Uh, but here he is resurrected. What do you do with that? And those are really interesting conversations.

So it's something I'd recommend that people do pretty in your hat, you know, in your thought, you don't have to have all the answers, but you can ask that question to people and see what they say and all kinds of answers. Hey, there's the music. May the Lord bless you. I am out of here. And if you are so inclined tomorrow, you can listen at the same time and middle. Lord bless you. I hope you have a great evening. And, uh, by his grace, we'll be back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. God bless. Other program powered by the truth network.