Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at CARM.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live.

Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick.

If you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. And if you want, you can watch the show on Rumble. Just go to Matt Slick live, rumble.com forward slash MattSlick live.

And we also have it on YouTube, don't we? Is that right? Put it in the private chat where that is so I can point people to that as well. And if you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207. 2-2-7-6.

All right. All those letters don't work. It's going to be something like YouTube forward slash MattSlick live.

Isn't that the URL? You can check and see if it works. So let's see. We've got a caller coming in.

Thinking about the baptism thing from yesterday. We've got so much going on. And trying to think different directions to go here. I mean, I've got a bunch of stuff I can talk about. But we'll get the callers coming in. Hey, three open lines, 877-207-2276. Now tonight, I plan to write a newsletter.

Let's do it last night. I just ran out of time. I just have too much to do. And there's two things. And I got to get this out because I know that people listen.

And I know that they help out with the, what I could call it? The wish list. Wow, I'm tired. And the camera I use right here, right now, it's just a cam. It's a USB cam. And the picture's never sharp. And I've seen people on videos, and they're sharp. And I ask what they're doing. They're using different cameras. And so I've been doing research now for weeks and weeks on cameras.

And maybe there's somebody out there who knows. A good camera, maybe a DSLR or something like that, I don't know, that I can put right above my normal camera and hook everything in. And it'll give a nice sharp picture. And one of the reasons I want to do that is because I want to sit right here in this chair. I want to start doing commentaries. And I'm working on that on a video today for that. And lapel mic and all of that kind of stuff. And I want to be able to have a camera that'll be sharp right here because I've got a video room.

And that's for bigger and different videos. But I want to be able to do impromptu stuff. Like, you know what? I'll just email. Hey, I'm going to do this. Oh, hey, I'll write about that. And I've got some other ideas. So if anybody knows about cameras, what a good camera would be that has a mic input, preferably Canon because I've got Canon lens, two lenses. But whatever.

That would be workable for Vlog or something that gives a high quality output, can be streamed. But I have a cam link, so I can do that. The only one who knows knows what I'm saying.

If you don't, then OK. But you can email me info at info at karm.org. Info at karm.org. Which reminds me, if you want, you can send in a comment or a question for the radio show. Just info at karm.org.

Info at karm.org. Oh, that reminds me. So I had on the wish list, I try and save money.

I really try and save money as best I can. And I had a $40 wireless mic. And we used it at Salt Lake City. And I listened to it for the first time at the recording. And it's not that good. So I've got to get something better. And I just do not like putting things up on the wish list that it costs hundreds of dollars. I don't like doing that. I don't want to do that.

But I may have to. So I'm trying to get something that's good. And people are saying, this one thing is really good.

$250 kind of thing on a camera. To make something good is not always that easy. But that's just how it goes sometimes. All right. Two open lines. 877-207-2276. And let's see now what we'll do.

Those who pray to Mary go to hell. Let's get on the air here with Angie. Angie, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. Hey.

Hi. So I have a question. As far as Catholics go, are they going to go to hell? Yes. Because they pray to Mary?

Or are they just going to be, I don't know. I don't know how that works. Like, if they believe in the Trinity? Well, you can have someone believe in the Trinity, like the Catholics do, and then add works to salvation. And it validates salvation, because they add works. So if you believe official Roman Catholic theology, you can't go to heaven. Even when you die, you go to hell. Because it denies the true gospel.

And it really does. Now, what do you do if you have someone who, let's say, was a Baptist who understood the truth and knows who Jesus is, or even a Catholic, someone who's raised and just hasn't bought into all the idiocy and the lies of Catholicism, and they're believing in the Trinity, the deity of Christ, hypocytic union, well, that means the two natures whose fight in the cross rose from the dead. And they trust in him alone. They don't put trust in him and their baptism, him and their Eucharist, and him and their law keeping. But they don't do that. But they pray to Mary.

Now, would they be disqualified? I'd say, well, I'd say probably they'll go to heaven, because they're trusting in the essentials. Praying to Mary is a form of idolatry, and we're not to do that. So I can't judge someone's heart in a situation, say they believe enough or don't believe enough. It'd be up to God to decide. But I would say that someone who is truly regenerate eventually will stop praying to idols and false gods and things like that. And so someone like that, you'd think in a year or two or three, whatever it is, they'd say, well, this isn't right praying to Mary.

She's nobody compared to God, compared to Jesus. So that's what I would say. You know, it's a holding situation, but okay. Okay. Well, that helps. All right. Okay. All right. Thank you so very much. Take care of the good work. You're welcome.

Okay, thank you. God bless. All right. Let's get on with Nathan from Massachusetts. Nathan, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, brother, can you hear me?

Yes, I can. Hey, man. My name's not really Nathan.

I just don't want to give out my real name. So I want you to know that. But so I love you. I watch a lot. I just actually came into the Reformed faith. I loved you before, still love you now. So I just want you to know many people that hate you and I stand against them with you. So it's a real fact. I got a letter in the mail.

Multi-page letter. And this guy was just, I mean, typed out how evil I am and everything. Wow. I'm just going to get it on the internet on Friday. But at any rate, but hey, I appreciate the support. I really do. Of course, brother. Anyway, so my question is this. Now, this is something that I was just listening to, like the documentary last night, the night before.

I don't even know. But they were criticizing the New Testament because there is this thing. And so this thing that I want to ask you about is, so, John, you have Jesus, you have Andrew, no, no, no, it's Philip that brings the disciples to Jesus. But then in the Do Not Think Gospels, you have Jesus going to the disciples. And it's not, you know, don't think that I'm so novice because I haven't thought about this. It's just that I really haven't doubted the New Testament whenever I read it.

But now I'm actually considering why. So why is, yeah, what's, how do we reconcile this here? So what's the issue in the New Testament then? Are you there?

Yeah, I'm here. I, yeah, yeah. No, I don't, I don't, I don't see an issue.

I don't ever see an issue at all. It's just that they, they, they, I want to know. And I think that a lot of people want to know what, what, so, so who found Jesus first?

I mean, what, what is it is Christ went to Simon and Peter? Yeah, I feel like you didn't understand my first question, maybe. That's okay. So you want to know about the chronology of a period of the tomb. Okay.

All right. So, okay, first of all, there's something called ethnocentricity. And ethnocentricity is the idea that my culture right now, that's how I'm going to judge your culture 2000 years ago. And if you don't fit 2000 years ago, what I say now, then you are wrong back then. It's called ethnocentricity. That our culture or the culture you're in determines how another culture is. And then you judge it that way.

That's one of the mistakes a lot of people do. For example, in the Bible, it says a bat is a bird. Well, wait a minute, birds, that can't be a bird. That's wrong.

A bat is not a bird. Well, in that culture, it was. They just defined it that way.

There's no problem. All those winged things that look like that. It was just a broad category. They said that.

Well, it fits perfectly for what they said. We don't want to use modern terms for the old, okay? So what do you do when you have a chronology issue? First of all, a contradiction occurs when one makes the other impossible. So if I say it is the case that I'm speaking with you, it's also not the case that I'm speaking with you at the same time in the same sense in the same way. Well, both of those statements can't be true, okay? You with me?

Are you there? Okay. So a lot of times what people will do is say, oh, it's a contradiction. Because here it says this person did this, and the other person said that person did that. So when you go to the issue of the resurrection and who saw Jesus first, well, in Matthew, I'm looking at my notes here. Jesus met them and gathered them. Three women saw him. Mary Magdalene, the disciples, Mary, Cephas, and the 12. There's not a contradiction. The first one to see Jesus after his resurrection was Mary Magdalene, just as it says in Mark 16, 9.

And the other saw him afterwards. The context of the other verses doesn't present any problem at all. So what you see here, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, for example, Matthew wrote to the Jews.

The Jews would sometimes represent something, not chronologically, but in the series of importance. This was normal to them. They would say things like, truly, truly, truly, I say to you. What do you mean truly, truly? What did you say?

I'm saying to you truly. Well, this is their culture. And they would use exaggeration. They would use all kinds of synectides. They would use metonyms. They would use antonyms, synonyms. They use all kinds of things to communicate things in different ways. So Matthew was written to the Jews, and he would then extract things out of Matthew that were not necessarily chronologically ordered, but were for the purpose of making a certain kind of a point.

And the average Jew readiness would understand that. Today, people could say, oh, over here it says Mary was first one, and over there it says Mary Magdalene, over there it says Mary, you know, whatever, the mother of Jesus. Well, it doesn't say first. It says that she went at this time, and she went at that time. No contradiction, because you can both do those at different times. And so the different writers will bring up different aspects to emphasize certain things. One of them might want to focus on Mary as Mary, the mother of Jesus, as John did.

But Mary Magdalene was focusing on Mark, focused on Mary Magdalene. So you see, there's just different things. There's different things, and critics, and I always have to correct the critics. I say, do you understand how it works? Yeah, of course, they come to conclusions too fast. Yes, they do.

Yes, they do. OK. So I've studied this.

This is not at the tip of my tongue, but I've done a resurrection chronology of Jesus, of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It's on karma. And we've got to brace. Hold on, man, we've got to brace. I know I was given a lot of information, but hold on, we'll get back to it, and you can jump right in and comment. OK. Hey, folks, we have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Be right back.

It's Matt Slick live, taking a call, at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. Let's see, I think we lost him.

If he wants to call back, I don't see him. Yeah, we're just talking to about everything. All right, hey, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to April, North Carolina.

April, welcome. You're on the air? Hello. Hello. Hey, I may have bad service here, I'm not sure. That's all right, I hear you. One of my, I have a few different questions. I don't know if I can do that or not. Sure.

There's nobody waiting right now, so go ahead. Okay, one question was, like, exceptions. Let's say somebody develops Alzheimer's, they were never brought up in Christian faith, then they develop Alzheimer's. What, I mean, you know, they believed that maybe they weren't saved. Well, the Bible doesn't tell us.

You know, I don't understand. I would just assume that, you know, if they're regenerate, that God's regenerated them, he's made them born again, 1 Peter 1.3, and they don't become unborn again because of a mental problem. I would say, you know, it just works, and you could even have someone with Alzheimer's denying Jesus when they were Christians their whole lives. You know, and God, you know, God knows what he's doing. He grants faith, he grants repentance, he's going to regenerate. So I wouldn't see anywhere where God would then say, oh, I'm sorry, you denied me, so now I'm going to, you know, because your mental illness, and now you're going to hell.

No, I wouldn't get that. Okay. Okay.

Thank you. Another question is, once saved, always saved. I was always brought up to believe, once saved, always saved. So I have some people making me doubt that.

Okay. I guess, I have some people that tell me, if you die of sin, you're going to hell. Then they're in trouble. Well, they're in trouble. Everybody sins. Everybody sins. There's no way around it, right?

Just ask them. Look, when people tell me that, if you die and you're sin, oh, you mean then I keep my salvation by how I repent? Is that it? So you're telling me that if I commit a sin, like I lust after a woman, and then I die right there, oh, I'm going to hell? Is that what you're saying? Because I didn't ask forgiveness? So then you're saying that I keep my position and my place with God by how good I am in my repentance.

And I'd say to them, how do you know that's not a great sin that you need to repent of? You see? Right. Yes. Yes.

Okay. And I know I've heard you talk about children before in the age of accountability. You know, I do wonder about that a lot. I have an eight-year-old daughter, and I think about her, and it just bothers me. You're going in and out of, so have an eight-year-old daughter, and then it went blank, and then you said, you know, bothers you. I think I missed something important there.

Are you still there? I'm sorry. I lost you there for a second. Yeah.

Your old daughter. Okay. Well, I mean, I think about that a lot. About what?

Because I missed it. You know, if something were to happen. Oh, I'm sorry. If something were to happen, or if the rapture were to happen, you know, she's going to be left behind. Well, that's forgotten to decide, and just so you know, I believe we're going through the tribulation, so she'll be old enough later.

Right. But generally, a lot of people hold to the idea that the children are going to be with the Lord, and there's some reasons for it, but we can't guarantee that. You know, your job is to present the truth to her, and be a good mom, and all that kind of stuff, and just leave it to God, and pray for her. That's what you can do. That's what you should do. You know, and just keep trusting. That's what I have to do with my daughters. I'll tell you. I wish God would take my advice.

I wish he would, but he doesn't listen to me, and that's my truth. Okay, well, I thank you so much. It's okay. Yeah. Well, there you go. You got anything else you want to ask?

That's it. Okay, I hope that helped. All right, there's a lot of questions, but no time. Well, just call back.

What I do, I love to answer questions, okay? I will do that. All right. Thank you, you too.

You too, God bless. All right. Okay, if you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276. You can also email me at info at karm.org, info at karm.org, and you can just type in in the subject, you know, radio question or radio comment.

Put the word radio in there, and you will know. All right. All right, so how about we get on with Nathan from Massachusetts? Nathan, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, brother. It's it's to me.

We were on like 10 minutes ago, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't know what happened then.

Michael wants to open it. Shouldn't you know? So yeah, man. So come into the Gospels, and you see Jesus calling the disciples first, and we see the disciples going to Jesus first. Okay. Do I lose you, or are you still there? I think we might have lost him again.

Not sure what's going on. By the way, if any of you are interested, you could go to the KARM website. And I did a chronology of events of the resurrection, a possible view of it. And you can go to that and look at resurrection chronology of Jesus. Did it in 2008. How about that? December 1st, 2008. So we did lose him.

I guess he was driving or something like that. So okay, now. So every now and then, I stumble on something. And what I want to do is read something from Pius IX, September 7th, 1854. A Catholic priest. I'm a Catholic pope. And oh, man.

Oh, my goodness. What the cetes will say. The cetivecantists. They're the ones who don't believe that the pope is a legitimate pope right now.

But back in the 1850s, I'm sure they did. But by the way, I'm going to read this. It'll take me a minute or so. But if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, I hope you give me a call. And I did get that email, by the way, on that best mic. And that's what I'm going to look at.

I think it's the same one someone else said. But it's a couple $300. And I just, boy, I don't like asking for that kind of help. That kind of help, but we'll put it up.

We'll just see. All right. Nevertheless, nevertheless. So, okay. Now, I'm going to read this, and I don't want anybody to think I believe it. I do not. But what I'll do is study false things.

I want to study false doctrines. And during the break here, I'm going to go down the stairs and get the hate mail. There's the break. I'm going to go down and get it and read some of this. It's really good.

It's the best. Best hate mail I've ever had. Telling you. And I'll do that. And then I'm going to read also this quote from the Pope in 1854 about Mary. Oh, my goodness.

How could it not be pure idolatry? We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. Listen to Matt Slick live. I forgot to tell you that today is October 4th.

For the podcasters who'd like to listen, we have nobody waiting right now. And what I'm going to do. I'm going to get... You know, I love heresy, okay? And I was reading some of this stuff out of the letter to my wife, the letter that someone sent me and reading it to her.

Wow. But before that, I want to do this quote from Mary. And it's really about Mary from the Pope.

1854. Most holy and immaculate Virgin. Oh, my mother, I thou who art the mother.

Oh, I see. Thou who art the mother of my Lord. The queen of the world. The advocate, hope and refuge of sinners.

Man, the queen of the world. Jesus is prophet, priest and king. He is our mediator.

He is our hope and he is our refuge. This is pure idolatry. Idolatry. Can we say idolatry together? Idolatry.

All right. Um, I, the most wretched among them, now come to thee. Oh, come into Mary, you little digologist.

It goes on. I worship thee, great queen, and give thee thanks for the many favors thou hast bestowed on me in the past. Most of all, do I thank thee for having saved me from hell.

Can we say blasphemy? People will say, you know, they, they look at me and they go, man, you're just too hard to Catholics. I said, I said, official Roman Catholic theology.

That's what I'm keep telling people, the official. This is one of the Pope's say in this. Okay.

I got to go on. I love thee. I love thee, lady, most worthy of all love. And by the love which I bear thee, I promise ever in the future to serve thee and to do what in me lies to win others, to your love. I cannot say that a Pope who would pray this really halfway through. I could not say such a Pope was a Christian was not, was saved.

He's just a complete blasphemous idolater. I'm going to go on. In thee, I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation. What a, you know, the heresy meter is pinging way past me.

Way past the red. Okay. All right, let's go on some more. Receive me as thy servant and cover me with a mantle of your protection. You who are the mother of mercy. And since you have so much power with God, deliver me from all temptations or at least obtain for me the grace ever to overcome them from you. I ask a true love of Jesus Christ and the grace of the happy of a happy death.

Oh my mother, by your love for God, I beseech you to be at all times my helper, but above all, at the last moment of my life, leave me not until you see me safe in heaven there for endless ages to bless you and sing your praises. Amen. Ladies and gentlemen, this is idolatry.

Okay. That's an example of what idolatry is. It's from Pope Pius IX, September 7th, 1854. So all I can say is he's a flaming heretic. And, you know, he's probably in hell.

You see, I'm not going to say he is. I don't know. I don't know if he repented of this idolatry before his death.

I don't know. But this is the kind of stuff that the Roman Catholic Church is pushing. And it pushes it in Europe a lot and South America a lot. You don't hear as much in the Americas, this kind of idolatry. So this tell you that Americanized Catholicism is watered down. The influence of evangelicalism has really seeped into it.

But when you go outside the United States and you look in Europe, I've been there, and South America, and you can see the idolatry that goes on, and it's worse. So this is a quick example. Now, one thing doesn't represent everything. Okay, it's called the fallacy of composition, where I saw one thing happen.

Therefore, all of it's bad. It's not like that. But I was down in Mexico a few years ago, and I'm going to confess, I was doing a cruise. I love cruises. I love the water. So one place I can go where I relax. I can't relax at home because it got worse to do.

But if I go out in the ocean in the middle of boonies, there's no land, then I relax. So anyway, we did go to port, and we went to Mazatlan, I think it was. And so I went shopping, and I see a Catholic church, and they just look at me, and the people I'm with, they go, go ahead, because they know I got it bad, right? So I walk in, and there were two nuns outside, and they were selling trinkets at a table. I walked into this church, and there were statues of Mary and Jesus, and there was this woman on her knees, I believe she was praying the rosary, because she had it in her hand, and she's on her knees praying, and there was a statue, an image of Jesus on the cross, and Mary just to the right, as you're looking at it, to the right. And so she's, when I could tell, she's looking at the statue of Jesus. And so she's praying, and then she'd take a step with her knees. On the hard floor, and then she'd go forward, and it just angered me, because look what the Catholic church is doing, damning people with its stupidity and its idolatry, and you've got to do all this good work to be saved.

Oh, blasphemies, blaspheming. And so as I was walking out, I tried to be polite, I didn't yell, I didn't do anything, I just, you know, walked up to her in Spanish, I said, look, excuse me, I said, but, I said, you don't need this, you just need Jesus, just pray to Jesus, ask Jesus to forgive you, just need him. And she just kind of looked at me, nodded, a half smile, and went back to praying, you know, to this rosary crap. And it just sat, and I went outside, and I spoke to the two nuns, and they didn't speak English, and I said, what are you doing, are you selling stuff? And they said, yeah, I'm making money.

Well, I get it, you know, they need to have money to pay the bills, I understand that. And so, you know, I said, what do you do to be saved? Baptism, Eucharist works. Wow. The Catholic Church is just teaching heresies upon heresies to its people, and leading millions to damnation. It is. I hate Roman Catholicism, not the Catholics, but the Catholic religion, which I know is so apostate.

So, all right, we got nobody waiting, and we got a break here in a couple of minutes. But, however, I checked the mail yesterday, I got this mail, someone found my address, and mailed it to my address, which bothers me, because I don't want my address out there. And this person emailed me, I don't know, 10 pages of hate mail. So this is a concern, and if and when we can actually afford to move, one of the things I want to do is set it up so that no one can find my address. And there's a way to do that, you got to pay a lawyer, you got to pay somebody to do some stuff that no one can find, because I don't want people coming to my door that I don't know, and I don't want to tell my friends where I moved to.

And there's ways to do this, because I've been swatted, and we've had knocks on the door at night, no one's there, you know, it's just stuff, that's odd. But, at any rate, the heading of this paper says, Matt Slick, the false follower of Christ and pagan, not good linguistics here, you know, so whenever someone does something like that, you know, right there, they can't put their sentences together, right, are they thinking clearly? He said, by the end of the third century CE, Christianity and the new Platonic philosophies became inseparably united, and, you know, this is just, when people say stuff like this, but it goes on, the doctrine of the Trinity, Christianity's self-inflicted wound, and by Anthony Buzzard, I think he's a oneness guy, and always remember, Matt, John 1, 1, we're not the worlds of Jesus, maybe this person's listening, he can call up, I would love it if he called up, and just told me how bad I am. So, he says, look, the Old Testament is strictly monotheistic, yes it is, that's right, and the Trinity is monotheism, so what's the problem? So when people write something like that, trying to refute the Trinity, we believe in monotheism, Matt, he's going to know what you're criticizing, you know, now check this out, now we've got someone waiting, but I'm going to do this, and then after the break we'll get to the caller. What people have said about Matt Slick on YouTube, oh, I'm sure he found some good stuff, Matt's argument seems to be, I'm scared that God will hurt me if I don't believe in him.

Wow, I didn't know that's my argument. How about this one, when Matt eventually gets to his go-to brain-fizz nonsense, now that's a good insult, I like that, he knows he had lost a debate already, and his usual condescension tone reared its head, but I, but I dealt with it all, yeah, okay, I can't read the rest of it, Matt Slick just can't get off his God and his head, his little imaginary friend sitting on his shoulder telling him what to do, so this is the kind of, I could hate mail like this, and this was to my home, now that's a problem, that's a problem, so, you know, good thing we've got alarms, done martial arts, and stuff. Hey, we'll be right back after these messages, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show, let's get on the air with Patrick from North Carolina, Patrick, welcome, you're on the air, buddy. Hey, how are you doing, Matt, thanks for having me on the show.

Sure, no problem, what do you got, man? You know, Acts 2 38, when they were all baptized, would that be fair to say that Peter started the Catholic Church at Acts 2 38? No, no, I don't believe the Catholic Church started until 200 or 300 years later, and the true church was, depending on how you define church, is the indwell believers, and that could be in the Old Testament, it could be in the New Testament, depending on a few variables, how we look at things and define things, but the, I remember back in seminary discussing, or going through early church history, and when the disciples went out to preach and teach, they did that up until about 70 AD pretty comfortably, but actually in the 60s, this is like 30 years or so after Jesus was crucified and ascended into heaven, Nero was persecuting Christians and burning them at the stake, so Christians were hiding, and 70 AD, the Roman Empire came in and destroyed Jerusalem, so that was called the diaspora, the spreading out, the scattering of the Christians all over the place, the people who were converted, Jews, Jews who were converted to Christianity, who were still in the area, they ended up leaving and going all over the Mediterranean area, and so that's called the diaspora, the dispersion. All right, now, it wasn't for another couple hundred years before the Roman Catholic, before Christianity started to really prosper and have a profound influence. Now, there was this issue called the Donatist issue, and the Donatist issue dealt with, from what I remember, and I hope I'm right about this, I'm not a historian, but I remember this from years and years and years ago, going back in seminary, that during the various persecutions in different areas, there were Christians, some of them who had delivered over sacred documents, like copies of the manuscripts, to be destroyed, because they were under persecution themselves, and they gave these things up for their own health preservation. And then the persecution ended, these people confessed their sin and they wanted to repent.

Then it became the issue of, what do we do with them? And that issue, in the late 300s, I think it was late 300s, late 200s, I think it was late 300s, the then bishops of the different geographical areas came together to discuss this and other issues. And I remember in seminary going, that's where the beginning of the Catholic Church was, in its ecclesiastical structure, because it was already intertwined with the government at that point, and started coming together to make decisions, theological decisions. Now, that's just my opinion, and I'm not a historian, but that's what I remember going, you know what, that looks like the start of the Catholic Church to me, and I never forgot that.

Okay. Yesterday, you were talking to somebody about the Jesus being baptized to be the high priest. Would that then, Jesus being the first pope of the Catholic Church, if he was a high priest? No, no, no, Catholic Church is an apostate religion. So he wouldn't be- Well, I know that's what you believe, but I'm just thinking, you know, it all makes sense in Acts, it's after Jesus' death and resurrection, and Peter, you know, repenting to be baptized, the people there must have been joining a church at that time, and it would make sense to be the Catholic Church. Now, look, I'm not a historian, like I say, but I don't believe the Catholic Church traces itself back to- Well then, what church was Jesus baptized in? Hold on, dude, dude, let me think about it. Hold on, dude, dude, let me finish my sentences, okay? I don't believe that the Catholic Church traces its lineage back to Peter.

I mean, they can claim it, but it doesn't work. But go ahead. Because, you know, Jesus told Peter, I'm going to build, you'll be the rock of the church, I think that's what he said, you'll be the cornerstone of the church. No, he didn't say that. And he gave them the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and at Acts 28- No, he didn't say that.

You said something, and you're building on something that's not true. That's Matthew 16 18, Jesus said, I say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I'll build my church. But you are Peter, is petros in the Greek, but on this rock, petra, I'll build my church. Not this exact same word.

Petros means a small rock, petra means a large rock. Well, yeah, but the point is the Catholic Church is still around today, and it's 2000 years old. You're not listening to what I'm saying, dude. I'm telling you, that's a wrong thing to say that Matthew 16 18 gives authority to the Roman Catholic Church about Peter, because it's a misunderstanding what the text actually says. That's the point about that, okay? Yeah, but you say it's apostate, which you may be wrong, because the Catholic Church has to preach some type of gospel.

Yeah, they do. They preach a false gospel. The Catholic Church- According to you, you may be wrong. Do you know what the gospel is? Tell me what the gospel is. Well, the gospel is Matthew 3 11, when John said, I baptize with water, but the one coming after me will baptize with the Holy Spirit. That is the gospel after the resurrection. Jesus goes back to being the word of God, and today he baptizes us with the Holy Spirit, and we are born again. So I asked you what the gospel was.

Try it again. What's the gospel? I just told you, Matthew 3 11 is the gospel. All right, so you say Matthew 3 11. What I'm going to do is read Matthew 3 11. I baptized you with water for repentance, but he was coming after me is mightier than I. I'm not fit to remove his sandal.

He'll baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. You see, that's the gospel. Okay.

Yeah, that's not what the gospel is. Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick. Hold on, Patrick. Okay. I know who you are. I know you're a false teacher. Okay.

I know you. According to you. Patrick, I'm going to show you from the word of God. You said what the gospel was, was Matthew 3 11. Paul tells us what the gospel is. Brethren, now I make known to you the gospel, which I preach to you, which you're also received in which you were staying, which you stand in which you also are saved. If you hold fast the word, which I preach to you, unless you believe in vain for delivered to you as first importance. What I also received that Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day, according to the scriptures. That's the gospel.

The good news that Jesus died the cross. Hold on. Patrick, Patrick. I'm going to hang up on you if you don't shut up. Okay. I'm trying to work with you. I go to make a point and you just start talking again.

Hold on, buddy. I'm trying to show you something. You did not get what the gospel was. You gave us something else besides the gospel. The gospel is defined in the scripture and you got it wrong.

And there's a reason you got it wrong. Because the Bible says, in 2 Corinthians 4, verses 3 and 4, even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the God of this world is blind in the mind of the unbelieving. That's you. No, that's you, I think. Then how is it that I know what the gospel is and you don't, and the Bible says it's hidden from those who don't.

It says you didn't get it right. Well, on yesterday's show you guys were saying that Jesus was baptized, sprinkled for being a high priest. That's not true.

Jesus was baptized and John the Baptist could fulfill his testimony. Okay, we're going to go on. We're going to go on. I know who this guy is. I've had hundreds of conversations with him in different venues and, ladies and gentlemen, he doesn't have all his paws in a litter box and he does this a lot. He'll just say something, you go to answer, he cuts you off, go to something else, you answer, he cuts you off. And then he doesn't listen to what the scriptures actually say. And so his idea of baptism, literally, is that the baptism that Jesus underwent was crying tears. That when you cry the tears out of your eyes, that's what the baptism is. That's what he says.

It's like, so much heresy, so little time. Valiant from Northwest Indiana. Welcome, you're on the air. Hey, can you hear me, Matt? Yes, I can. Yes, I can.

What do you got, Matt? Well, I'm not a false teacher and I don't need to argue with you. I just want your opinion on something. Sure, okay. To what extent do the promises Jesus made to his apostles apply to believers? And then I had two certain examples, if you could go through them. Sure. In John chapter 14, first in verse 12, when he talks about the works that we would do, and then in... Let's do that one.

Yeah, go ahead and... Okay, so your question is, what does it mean to do greater works than what Jesus did? Well, to what extent does that apply to us? Like, does that mean that we would do miracles or what? Well, it says, he who believes in me, the works that I do, he will do also, and greater works than he will do, because I go to the Father. This is a cryptic kind of a thing, and I think what it means is that we'll do greater works than a lot of the miracles that he did. By the power of the Holy Spirit, one commentary set will say this kind of thing, that the greater work is leading people to Christ to come to salvation. It's a greater work than walking on water, and that's what a lot of commentaries will say. The reason I say that is because when you go through this and there's possibilities, and I've gone through ideas, then I go to commentaries to see what others have said over the years. That's one of the main things that they say, but I think there's also something we're missing. I think the possibility is that we actually can do miracles, because the Holy Spirit who worked on Christ and through Christ to do miracles, I believe he did his miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit's in us and upon us, and I believe we can do miraculous things.

And that's another topic of why we're not, which I have to put myself under an examining magnifying glass for that one. But anyway, I don't know if that helps or not, but that's one of the directions. Yeah, that's helpful. And then the other one was in the same chapter, verse 26, when he says the Holy Spirit would teach you all things and bring to remembrance. Oh, yes. So you don't think that there's really any way that would apply to us? No, because we don't remember what he did and said in the sense of being a disciple 2,000 years ago. However, by reading what he says, the Holy Spirit can bring to our remembrance the things that are recorded in Scripture. But he's speaking here to the disciples, all right? And yeah, so I mean, there's no general rule for how you're going to interpret verses like that, it's just case by case?

Yes, that's what I would do. Now, what's interesting is it says in verse 22 of John 14, Judas, not Iscariot, said to him, Lord, what then has happened that you are going to disclose yourself to us, not to the world? And he says, whoever loves you will keep my word, and Father will live in him. And who does not love me does not keep my word. These things I have spoken to you while abiding to you, but the helper will bring to your remembrance all that I've said to you. And so it looks like what he's talking about right there is just to the disciples.

And so that they would be the ones who would remember what was needed to be said and written down in the Scriptures. Okay. Yep. Well, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

I like your show too. Sure, man. Well, I appreciate it. God bless.

Yep. All right. All right. Now, unfortunately, Crystal, your question won't be able to be answered right now because we have 20 seconds, and so it's just not going to work. Crystal, you need to call back tomorrow if you would kindly call back. And the trouble with stepping out in faith, I would love to talk to you about that.

And tell you the experiences and some advice. I would love to do that. I do hope you call out. Call back tomorrow for that. All right.

Hey, folks, we're out of time. And I do plan to be on Clubhouse tonight. I'm using my phone.

I can't use the desktop setup. And I'll try and do at least an hour tonight. And that'll be at 7 p.m. my time, which is 9 p.m. Eastern time.

And on Clubhouse, just look for whatever it is, any questions. Talk to me then. May the Lord bless you all. And by His grace, back on there tomorrow. And we'll talk to you then. God bless you. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.