Matt Slick Live

It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live! For answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. If you want, you can give me a call. All you've got to do, as usual, is just dial 877-207-2276, and if you do that, we can blab. Not a problem. Easy to do, and I hope that you want to do that. Give me a call.

Also, if you're interested in just emailing me, you don't want to call, you can do that by emailing us at info at karm.org. All right. Busy, busy, busy. Busy day today. A lot of stuff. Now, a couple of things. If you've been going to the KARM website, by any chance, you've noticed some broken links. We are working on fixing those.

I'll tell you what happened. When we converted from HTML CSS to a CMS, those who know that, you'll know what that means, we had to do everything manually. It took us, I don't know, three, four months to input everything into this site and check it before we released it. And what we did, we had a plug-in that forwarded stuff into the right areas and stuff.

Okay. That plug-in became compromised in that it became a security risk. No one used it or anything. It was outdated.

And so our webmaster turned it off, and it caused all kinds of links to break. So what we've been doing is going through them and fixing them. We should be done tonight or tomorrow with all of them.

So just bear witness, bear witness, bear with us. And if you've noticed that, we're on it. And actually, Laura's been doing a lot more than I have. I've been working on all kinds of stuff. And just doing, you know, just to run around with a chicken like my head's cut off, like a chicken with its head cut off.

And that reminds me. So I'll be down in Provo on Sunday, the first of October preaching at City on the Hill Church. And if you're interested in checking it out, you know, you want to meet me, I mean, I'd love to meet you, you know. If you want to do that, go down there and the service is at 11.

And the information that you need, all you got to do is go to karm.org forward slash calendar. That's it. And it says, Matt's like preaching at City on the Hill and the information's there. And the sermon titled The Christians War Against the Forces of Darkness. And it's out of Ephesians.

It's a very common section of scripture. What I'll be doing is talking about the occult. And by occult days, I'll be using some of my experiences as sermon illustrations as you go through and execute the text. And I'll be talking about things I've seen and things I've done in the occult before I became a Christian.

And so there's a bit of history in our family of it. So I'll be using those stories. And I talked to the pastor last night. He goes, I want you to do the stories. I want you to do this. And okay, fine. I will.

And since Halloween's coming up, I'll be talking about Halloween a little bit. So The Christians War Against the Forces of Darkness at cityonahillut.org. But all the information's there.

It's just 105 East 100 North Provo. So there you go. Okay. Not a big deal.

But hey, I love to meet people who hear me on the radio and do that. So I went to Canada a few years ago and did an event up there. And there was several of us who did. Jeff Durbin was there. I was there.

Some other people were there. And it was great because a lot of people in Canada use the CARM website and hear me doing radio and podcasts. And it was just a delight to meet people who say, oh, I listen to you.

And also, I was out in New Jersey and the same thing happened. It's just fun, you know. And they go, I listen to you, too, and that, blah, blah, blah.

And it's really nice. So I'd love to meet you if you want to do that. We can have eats afterwards, a little bit of fellowship. They do that on the first Sunday. And also, it's a communion service. So I don't know if they want me to give communion or if the pastor's going to give it.

No big deal. But we're going to have communion that day. And I'll be doing the preaching. So hopefully you'll be interested. If you want more information on that, just go to CARM.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G forward slash calendar.

And the information's right there. All right. If you are so inclined, you can send me questions. You can do that. All you have to do is email me at info at CARM.org. Put in there, if you would, be so kind.

And the title, just put Radio Question or Radio Comment or something like that. And that's it. Okay.

Easy to do. Oh, and that reminds me something else. I got a lot going on. Okay. I got a lot going on. So what I'm doing for the schools, I'll talk about this as well.

I have three online schools. I just had an idea today for another one. But I want to write a fourth one on biblical interpretation.

It won't be that long because I know how to teach things very succinctly. So I'm thinking about doing that. But I also thought about doing one on Reformed theology. That would be interesting, just Reformed theology, a school on Reformed theology.

That might be interesting. At any rate, so what I'm doing now is I spent some time today going through the school of theology. I copied all of the articles to a single Word document. And the Word, how big is that thing?

Let's see. How big is that page? Pages. 233 pages. And what I'm going to do is go through and make a table of contents and an index on it as well.

It takes about a day to do both of those combined. I'll format everything and then publish it as a PDF. And then when people sign up for the schools, they can have access to it as well as that. And here's another question. Okay.

Here's another question about all of that. The schools are written, and then you have a self-quiz you can take. You don't have to take it.

You can skip them. You can go to take the quiz, and it will grade you. And afterwards, if you do all the tests, you can get a certificate. You just print it up yourself and sign it.

Now, they want me to sign it, but if you sign them here, we can do that. But one of the things I'm thinking about doing is going in and doing videos for each one of the lessons. And that would take me a year, a year and a half, to do all of the schools. Because I think there's, let's see, how many are there? Ninety-three, I think, in theology, and something like 80 or something in apologetics. And then 30 or 40, I think 40 in other ones.

So 120, about 200 videos to do. That would be a lot of work. But it's something I want to do. I want to really provide good information for people.

So hey, here I am rambling and talking about all this kind of stuff. If that sounds intriguing a little bit, you want to do that, all you've got to do is email me. Let me know.

Let me know what you think. I'm curious. And we don't have anybody waiting right now. No callers waiting. I want you to give me a call. 877-207-2276.

I want to hear from you. Please give me a call. And let's see, I have to get into stream, I'm not StreamYard, but Rumble. And so I'm getting in there right now. Rumble is another place that we have the show, it's cast to there. And you can join us.

Just go to rumble.com forward slash mattslicklive. That's the name of the radio show. And you can check it out and participate with the chatters. We have 44 watching. I don't know how many people are in there and they chat. We have a lot of people who do that and it's become a good fellowship.

Also, we are casting to Twitter and Facebook and YouTube. Isn't that right, Charlie? All of them? That's right. And I don't know what you did. You just did a type it in.

Let's all know what you're saying because it was like a whip or something. Cityonthehill.ut.org, that's right. She's a mind reader, good stuff. Okay, catching up.

Man. All right, what I'm going to do is get to some of the questions that we've got. Radio questions, let's see. What can you share about N.T. Wright and his teachings? Not too much, I haven't studied him. I have some concerns about him though. Some of the stuff that I've heard people say, this is gossip stuff, I don't want to get into too much. But I am absolutely buried with so much to do that I really don't have time to study him.

However, if someone were to say, here's a book and on this page, this is what he says, and they can draw me to that, I can purchase the book online and then go to that page and I can take a look at the context and see. And we do need that kind of thing. We do need help in that. We still do, I'm very busy, but we do research and writing, and I often like to just take a whole day and just write articles and or do videos. I'll be doing that this week too.

Now that I'm getting my schedule organized, I'm very busy, but I've got a lot to do. But anyway, that's the kind of thing we do need. So about N.T. Wright, I wish I could tell you more. But having challenges communicating those concerns, he says, with a couple of friends who embrace his teachings almost to the exclusion of Scripture. Yeah, I do need to do an analysis up here.

I think if you were to go onto the web and just type in something like problems with N.T. Wright, that might be helpful because a lot of people have done exposés on him, and I'd recommend that. Let's try this one. In Galatians 6, 16, Paul speaks of the Israel of God, a small piece of the church there. Let me go there. Galatians 6, 16. And those who walk by this rule of peace and mercy upon them and upon the Israel of God.

Hmm. The Israel of God. Let me read the context.

Oh, well, yeah. Let's see, verse 14, may it never be that I would boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me and I to the world. For neither is circumcision anything, nor on circumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule of peace and mercy upon them and upon the Israel of God. It seems to me, from the context, it's talking about spiritual Israel and not literal, physical, national Israel.

So that's what it seems to be from the context. Let's see, because national Israel is going to be redeemed, all right? And it does say in Galatians 3, 7 that those who are of faith are the sons of Abraham. Galatians 3, 29, it says, and if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise. And let's see what Philippians 3, 3 says, for we are the true circumcision who worship in the spirit of glory and truth. Yeah, it seems to be, seems to be talking about spiritual Israel. That's what it seems to be, because the next verse says from now on, Let no one cause trouble for me, for I bear on my body the brand marks of Jesus.

That's where he was whipped and beaten and stuff like that. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brethren. Amen. That's the last verse of Ephesians. So I think that what's going on in Ephesians 6, 16 right there is that.

I think it's spiritual Israel. That's what I think is going on. All right? Hope that helps. OK. OK. We had a caller coming in. And if you want to call me, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, please do 877-207-2276. And if you have questions or comments and let's see, StreamYard, you can try that. Maybe Laura can put them into the private chat and I can answer those as well. We've got some questions that people have been emailing. We've got a caller coming in. We've got three open lines if you want to call me. And I've got some questions we can deal with. There's a lot of, oh, man, look at that. Wow.

People I haven't talked to in a long time are certainly starting to email me. That's good. That's good. All right. All right.

Let me get to a question here. If God knew that mankind would sin and go to hell, why did he create mankind? Well, there are several reasons that we could offer for that is that God works inside of space and time, and it's the place he entered or the realm he entered in order to offer the greatest act of love. According to Jesus in John 15, 13, the greatest act of love is to lay your life down for your friends. And so God did that by becoming one of us in Jesus.

And so that's one of the manifestations of love. Another thing is Isaiah 43.7 says that God created us for his glory. So his glory is manifested in the righteous judgment of the wicked as well as the gracious mercy upon the saved. And so he gets glory either way you want to look at it.

And that's another possibility. And another thing is that we as Christians can receive rewards. That's not why we're doing all this stuff, but God in his great mercy gives us responsibility because we're made in his image. And so therefore, because we're made in his image, then we can do things like be responsible, have free will, and things like that. And so along with our actions, with the gifts that he's given us, there's a reward or loss or reward in eternity.

So there's another one. The person goes on, did he create mankind to come down to earth for dying? No, he created mankind on earth. There was no pre-existence and he didn't create us for dying. He created us for fellowship with him and then sin entered the world and then we died. And in such massive creation, how can God become man when we are a tiny part of his creation? Because he's God, he can do it. And he just did.

That's what the Bible teaches. So there you go. There you go. There you go. Let's get on the air with JL from Dallas, Texas. JL, welcome. You're on the air.

Ah, thank you very much. Sure. What do you got, man? So this is a little bit wordy, so I'm going to try and make it as clear as I can. It should take me about like 60 seconds or so to kind of break this down. But I had a question regarding the apparent epistemological double standard in the Christian worldview. So I'm hoping you could shed some some insight or how you reconcile that.

So I'll try and get through this quick. So as an internal critique in the Christian worldview, God exists and created everything. So this entails that God created humans and their ability to reason exactly as they do. Now, this also entails that all of the tools that humans utilize to determine the truth or falsity of propositions in the universe, such as scientific methodology, recognizing logical fallacies, eliminating biases, correspondence and coherence approaches, et cetera.

These were all also deliberately created. So if this entity intentionally created the universe with built in tools for successfully demarcating truth from falsity and created the agents within it to be able to utilize those tools, then why, when it comes to the ultimate proposition, a God exists, do none of those tools mentioned work? In fact, not only must you kind of issue those tools, but you must also embrace the things that we know don't work, like logical fallacies, such as appeals to emotion and arguments from a credulity and begging the question and personal biases and even faith to claim the God exists proposition is true. So this appears to present an obvious epistemological double standard that's deliberately built into the universe. So while a deliberate double standard would be deliberate hypocrisy, it's made worse by the existence of this all powerful creating entity because it implies a degree of obfuscation or deception is somehow at play. And the issue of this is exacerbated by the fact that the creating entity would have known infallibly that the agents it created would be able to recognize the double standard and that it would logically weaken the God exists proposition.

So I'm kind of curious as to how you reconcile that apparent double standard. Well, first of all, you need to email that to me. Did you write it by any chance? I've been working with this for a while, but I wanted to make sure that I didn't stumble over my words, so I did write it down so I could read it and I didn't like, you know, stumble over myself. Okay, so what I want you to do is to email it to me. So you're the author of it and you give me permission to reproduce it on the website and tackle it. Okay, because you went through it at 50 miles an hour and I was typing as fast as I can. I couldn't get everything.

I didn't want to take your notes and stuff like that. And each proposition that you would make and conclusions that you'd make, I can examine them and tackle them. And you're an atheist, I assume, right? Yes.

Is that right? Okay. And so I'm glad that you want to use logic, but though you can't account for logic or provide any foundation for its universality, the universal nature of these preconditions, and epistemologically you have to beg the question yourself to do certain things.

Now, if you are going to assume that there's a double standard inside of Christianity, you have to establish a double standard and you haven't. You went so fast that it was difficult to follow everything you said. But tools to recognize truth, science, logic, you say, were created.

No, they weren't. Logic was not created by God. It's an error that you made and it's a minor one. But no, God did not create logic. He revealed it. It's a reflection of his mind along with universals and things like this, which are the undergirding principles by which you can then have rationality.

Are you aware of that? Sort of. It's an odd implication to indicate that logic is somehow revealed as though logic exists, like the concept of logic exists outside of God because... Nope. Nope. So does God dictate what logic is? Nope. Or does God conform to logic? Nope, neither. You don't understand the Christian worldview, okay?

And I'm not knocking you. I'm just saying you don't understand the Christian worldview. We would say that logic is a revelation of the mind of God. That the reason logic exists and has its ubiquity is because God exists and is ubiquitous. And so logic is not something invented. It's not something God submits to. It's not some ethereal presence out there. It's a reflection of the mind of God.

Okay? So what is it that dictates what God's mind is? Himself, his own nature.

He is what he is. It's the first law of logic, the law of identity. You're aware of that, right?

Yes. But I'm working this from an internal critique standpoint. It's like assuming that the God exists and that nothing determines what the God does or why it does a particular thing or why its nature is a particular thing. So therefore the God subjectively determines what its own nature is at any given point.

No, no, no. He doesn't determine his own nature. That's a non sequitur. Anything that's alive and sentient can determine its own nature because its nature already exists in order for it to have a decision of making ability. So it can't alter its own decision or its own nature because it is what it is. Doesn't that imply that something determines what God's nature must necessarily be? No, you don't understand.

You're not understanding it. Properties exist or emanate due to the ontos. His nature, his ontological essence, his ontos simply is what it is. So logic is revealed out of it. It's tautological, isn't it? Well, everything is tautological. Everything is. You beg the question all the time.

I do too. The issue is does your worldview account for circularity and the justification or the premises that you use by which you could even make those assertions. You've got to be careful not to swap between an internal and internal critique accidentally. Well, no. It was maintaining the internal critique because I'm taking the God as what it is defined to be.

So that's why I was exploring that. Well, good. Well, hold on.

You've got to break, okay? Because you need to learn Christian theology if you're going to do this. And with respect, I'm just saying you don't know it very well.

And there's always room for improvement. Hold on, buddy. We'll be right back, okay? After these messages, folks, please stay tuned.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with JL, but someone on the other side of the thing has to click it so I can access it. You've got to help it go back on, I think. Yep, you do. The producer, I'm telling you.

Because different producer today. You've got to read it. There you go. All right. Now I can.

Oh, he's on the air. Good. Okay. Hey, you still there? Yeah, yeah, I'm still here.

Unfortunately, my wife's kind of waving at me, so I do have to go here shortly. I can definitely send you what I wrote and I can maybe parse it out a little bit more so you could address it directly. Because I think we're kind of descending into whataboutism instead of directly addressing it. So I'll go ahead and send it your way and see what you say about that. Okay.

Just put it to info at karm.org and just give permission for Matt Slick to reproduce this, respond to it, and then, okay. All right? Gotcha. Okay. Great.

Thank you. I can copy the whole thing. And just get it right there and then I'll – and if you want, I could teach you biblical theology sometime.

Our position actually is most atheists – in fact, no atheist I know I've ever encountered really understands it because they don't study it very much. Okay? Gotcha. Okay. Thanks, bud. All right, Matt. Hey, thanks for calling. Appreciate it. All right. Now, for those of you who had no clue what we were talking about, you know, sorry about that, but that's just some of the level issues that I need to get to in order to be able to talk to people about stuff like that.

And that's what it is. So, hey, you know, I hope you enjoyed that. And I hope he does email me that information because I've asked atheists over the years, please email me that, whatever it is that they'll call me up about or whatever. And I say, can I just have your permission to reproduce it and deal with it and answer it, respond to it?

They go, yeah. And I have a whole section of these on Karm. And so if he does that, I'll write out a response to it and publish it. That's what I'll do. All right. All right. All right.

Let's get to C.G. I don't know where you're from, where you're coming from, but welcome. You're on the air. Well, hello, Matt. How are you? I am fine.

How are you? Good. I had a question. You don't believe what baptism is essential to salvation, right?

That's correct. We should be baptized. We ought to be, but it's not the thing that is necessary in order for us to be justified before God. So what would be the sufficient evidence to change your position?

Of finding something in the Bible that says it's necessary for justification. So not eight souls saved by water, just like that baptism saves you, 1 Peter 3.21. Is that not clear enough? It is very clear when you read it in context.

Okay? So let me read the context. And I notice that everybody who references that verse, 1 Peter 3.21, that baptism now saves you, never quotes the full verse before or after. They only quote one part, and a part of the verse quoted doesn't mean that they understand it. So let's go a verse before, and then I'll read it. It says, who once were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.

Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you, not the removal of dirt in the flesh, but an appeal to God for good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. So the word corresponding to that in Greek is antitoupon. It's an antitype, a representation. So the question is, what is the antecedent of it? What is it referring back to in the text? I'm sorry, what? What's it referring to? According to the text, it's water.

Okay. Well, let me ask you, what saved Noah? Was it the water, or was it the ark?

Well, both. No, the ark was there to save them from the water. The water killed people. But Peter says that the eight persons were brought safely through the water.

Peter connects water to salvation. They were brought safely through the fire, through the plague. They were brought safely through the thing that was causing harm and causing damage. They were brought safely through it.

By what? The ark. You see, they entered the ark. God closed the door, and then God opens the door. They went through the one door. Jesus says, I'm the door.

Okay? God closed it. He says, what he closes, no one can open.

What he opens, no one can close. They were saved by the ark, not the water. The water didn't save them.

He did not help them. That's not what Peter said. Okay. The ark is what it's responding to. Sorry.

That's all right. See, you focused on what condemned the people. The tax says what saved Noah. Noah and the ark were saved by water.

Why? Because the water washed away the wickedness in the world. It was 18. He's already talked about slanders and revilers that shamed the name of Christ. That's right. So in the context... Yeah, it killed the unbelievers, right?

In the context... Yeah. That's right. It killed the unbelievers, that's correct. In fact, 2 Peter 3.6 says, which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.

So Peter looks at the water as a means of destruction of the ungodly people. But Noah, he had to be saved through it, through the judgment of God upon the wicked. And the thing that saved them was the ark. The ark saved them. The ark means Mr. Slick. That's not what the text says.

Yes, it is. Save me through water. Now do you want me finished? Hold on a second. I was making my case more context.

There is no context that justifies that. See, look, go to verse 18. For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, in which he also went and made proclamation of the spirits now imprisoned, who were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting the days of Noah during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is eight persons, were brought safely through the water. They were brought safely through the destruction. What brought them through the destruction? Okay, C.J., what brought them through the destruction of the water?

What saved them from it? No, no, no, no. You just changed the text. I'm not changing the text. You are.

You are doing it. What saved Noah? Why was the ark built? Because that was the means for them to not be destroyed by the water. They were brought safely through the water. Not by the water, through it. Through the means of water.

Through the means of water. It's clearly what it means. Okay, so you're teaching us that baptism in water is necessary for salvation?

Is that what you're saying? No, that's what I'm quoting Peter. No, no, Peter does not say that. No, I guess he does, Mr. Smith. He doesn't.

C.J., no he doesn't. I'm telling you right there what it is. You refuse to believe it because you're in a cult. You believe in a cult. You're a cultist.

You are adding a ceremony to salvation. No, you don't believe the text. What was it that saved Noah? They went into the ark.

C.J., what saved them? If you want to say the water saved them, then what did the ark do? If the water saved them, what did the ark do? The ark saved them? Oh, so the ark saved them, but the water did not because the water, 2 Peter 3.6, was a means of destruction.

Yes, it did. You know what cleanses us of our sins? Well, the same way through water. C.J., water doesn't cleanse us of our sins. The blood of Christ does. You've got your theology all screwed up. When did you get the blood of Christ? Hold on, hold on.

You don't understand your theology. Sorry. Hold on, man. We've got to come back after the break, okay? Hold on. We'll be right back after these messages. The reason he's speaking like that, folks, is I think he's the guy who had a stroke or something or cerebral palsy or something.

Anyway, no big deal. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Everybody welcome back to the show. All right, now we've got to get C.J. back on. I know that with the new system we have, I can't just always get him back on. So the producer's got to activate him again because I put him on hold. You've got to activate him so I can get him on.

Or you've got to do that. He's probably panicking right now. So I'm stalling, waiting for him to click so I can get him back on here. And I'm waiting.

You've got to get C.J. on. We'll have to go to Scott. Okay, good. Okay, C.J., are you there? Yeah, hey, Matt.

Okay, look. Is it the blood that washes our way our sin, or is it water? Is it the blood of Christ, or is it water?

Which is it? It is the blood of Jesus Christ when we go down into the water, when we're united in death for Christ, when we're sick, free, and poor, and raised to walk in his life, it is the blood through the water. I just asked if it's the blood or the water. Okay, it's the blood. So why do you say that it's the water? It is the blood through the water. Why are you saying it's the water now that does it? Why are you doing that?

It is the blood through the water. I don't know how many times I have to say that. Well, you can say it a thousand times and you're still going to be wrong. Okay, you have cult theology. I'm just telling you, you have cult theology.

Let me ask you a question. Does the Bible say we're justified by faith? Romans 5.1, doesn't it say we're justified by faith? Amen, yes. Okay, does it say we're justified by faith?

Amen. Okay, good. So it's faith that justifies us, right?

Right? Yep, that's right. So then are we justified by faith when we have faith?

Okay. Amen, yes. When we have faith, as God defines faith, God gets to define faith.

You don't miss your slick. Well, he does. He says faith is the evidence of things hoped for. The conviction of things not found or not seen.

Hebrews 11.1. I just wanted to say before we continue, I'm not high on drugs. I don't have a stroke.

I have cerebral palsy. It does not affect my mind. So I'm not high when I'm on here. That's fine. No big deal.

It's all good. So I know it doesn't affect your mind, but your heart is definitely wrong before God. You are adding a ceremony to salvation. Look, I am asking you, are we justified by... You're adding a ceremony to the slick.

C.J., come on, man. Look, you're adding human work to be saved. You don't believe in salvation by grace through faith in Christ. You believe in salvation by faith and your baptism. You add something.

It's what you're saying. Now let me ask you, if someone dies without getting baptized, they receive Christ, they trust in Christ, they've trusted in him to forgive them of their sins, walks across the street to get baptized is killed in a car accident. Does he go to heaven or hell? Because he wasn't baptized in water. Which is it? Nobody will.

If you will allow me to explain for two minutes, it takes me a while. Nobody will go to hell because... Nobody will go to hell because they weren't baptized. People will go to hell... Let me finish, please. People will go to hell because... No, people will go to hell because they have sins. Baptism is just God's merciful offer to get rid of those sins. No, it's not.

No, it's not. You're a heretic. You're a false teacher. I have to tell you, baptism is not the thing that cleanses us of our sins.

It's the blood of Christ and we are justified by faith. Jesus does not teach what you're saying. Peter doesn't teach what you're saying. What church do you go to? Yes, he does.

No, he does not. The church that belongs to Christ. Which church do you go to? The church that belongs to Christ. Church of Christ.

Church of Christ. It's a cult. The Church of Christ is just a cult. No, the Church of Christ is not a cult. It is the Church of Christ. It's a cult. The Church of Christ is a cult because it teaches that you have to be baptized in water by immersion, generally in their church, in order to have your sins forgiven. That's what it teaches. That's not what the Bible teaches. And they teach that you can lose your salvation, so you have to keep it by your goodness. So I'm going to offer this again.

I'm going to tell you again what I've done over the years of the radio. If a very qualified Church of Christ person wants to debate me on this issue, does the Bible teach that water baptism by immersion is necessary for salvation, then I will be glad to debate you if you're a competent representative of that position. And if it's in your church, then I can go out to your church, we can arrange how that works, and it needs to be filmed, and we both have the rights to do what we want with them.

Under those conditions, I'd be glad to debate this. They're not taking me up on it, just like they don't take me up on the issue of women pastors and elders out of the Scriptures. Why is it that the Church of Christ people aren't going to take me up on it? Because I'll debate them, and I will denounce the false gospel that you're teaching.

A false gospel, the gospel of words. I will gladly take you up on that. Look, you get somebody who can understand the issues and can debate clearly and quickly, because we have to get through these things. And I know you've got a disability, I get that, but I want a church official for the Church of Christ denomination.

I will be glad to debate them and call them out on the carpet for the teachers of the false gospel that they really are. Why not me? No, I want an official. Why not me? Because you don't know the issues well enough, you don't know how to examine Scripture well enough. Mrs. Flick, if you would let me talk well enough, you may understand that I understand the issues very well, but you don't let people talk well enough. Now I have offered to debate you. No, I don't want to debate you, because I want to debate a representative of the Church of Christ. I am a representative. I want to debate a pastor.

I represent the whole Church. We're moving, we're moving along. I keep trying to talk. So if you could just hang up on him, I'm going to go to the next caller. I can't hang up on CJ. There it goes, I think.

Drop, good. So look, if the Church of Christ, your false teaching and your false gospel, if you're a pastor of a Church of Christ and or somehow affiliated with the denominational requirements at an official level, I'll debate you. We'll arrange it. I have a policy not to just debate Bob and Frank. I can do impromptu debates online, which I do that with people all the time. But I need to be able to debate someone who can argue the issues.

I'm not trying to be mean because his disability causes him to speak slowly, I get that. But it would double or triple the length of a debate. And we need to be able to get to this quickly and succinctly and deal with the issues. And so I've said this before, an official representative of the Church of Christ and or a pastor of the Church of Christ who is willing to debate me on this issue. And I will call, I call it a false gospel.

I know about the verses that they're going to use in the scriptures. I know them. I could take their position and teach it from their perspective. I could. And then I could turn right around and refute it. I know their perspective. So that's what I'm asking for.

If anybody out there wants to do it, and by the way, also the same challenge goes out to any pastor out there who wants to accept the challenge on does the Bible support women pastors and elders? Okay. So, but there aren't any takers on that either. Why? Because those are heretical positions, false teaching positions. And they need to be refuted. And I'd be glad to do it and politely just call it what it is.

False teachings. Let's get to Scott from Spokane. Scott, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how's it going? Just a mower off here. Hey. A little noise in the background. Go ahead.

Yeah, I had to shut the mower off. Sorry, I'm working while I was waiting for my turn. Okay. So my question is Genesis 3.14 is the verse.

Okay. And I was just hoping to get some understanding on like, you know, what is God saying here? Because we know, you know, Satan's not an actual snake, of course, but the language used compares the snake to being more cursed than the cows or the beasts of the field. And I have a couple questions. What is he saying, for one, and for two, doesn't that sort of implicate somehow that the cows themselves are cursed in some fashion?

Maybe that's the fall. I was just hoping for some clarity on that verse because it just kind of, it seems pretty symbolic. But then when you try to work it out as to what it could be, it has to do with Satan, I can't get very far. Well, it says cursed, he said to the serpent, the serpent was a representation of the devil. And so that serpent was cursed. And I don't understand all the particulars.

And so because you've done this cursor, you're more than all the cattle and more than every beast of the field. And it's really kind of interesting because if it's the devil manifesting in that form, why is the creature itself cursed? Maybe, just maybe, there's a kind of incarnation or a manifestation where the, I'm going to go on a limb here. Just as the fallen angels had relations with women, maybe there's something demonic going on between that realm and the physical realm manifested in the serpent.

Maybe there's something that happened in the garden or around there or outside, I don't know, where something spiritual combined with something physical resulted in the formation of the serpent. And it became part of the genome on earth and is cursed. I don't know. But that's one of the possibilities. Okay. Okay.

Well, yeah, I think that was all I got. Okay. Oh, my goodness. We're almost out of time. Wow.

I had no idea I was this late. Wow. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Okay, man.

That was nine, which I want to talk about. But at any rate, okay, sorry about that. No problem at all. I will talk to you soon. Okay, man. We'll see you. Bye-bye. God bless. All right. Hey, folks.

Man, I thought we, wow, we have like 30 seconds left in the show. So water baptism is important, but water baptism is not necessary for salvation. You should get baptized, but water is not what washes away your sins. The blood of Christ does. We're not justified before God by faith and a ceremony we have to go through. And I know the verses that they use.

I've debated this thousands of times. And I just hope that those who believe in that false gospel will put all their trust in what Christ did, not what Christ did and what their church tells them to do. It's the way of the cult. All right, folks. I'm out of here. May the Lord bless you. I got to go. And by His grace, we're back on there tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. See you. Bye.