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The Matt Slick Live daily radio show broadcast is a production of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry -CARM-. During the show, Matt answers questions on the air, and offers insight on topics like The Bible, Apologetics, Theology, World Religions, Atheism, and other issues-- The show airs live on the Truth Network, Monday through Friday, 6-7 PM, EST -3-4 PM, PST--You can also email questions to Matt using-, Please put -Radio Show Question- in the Subject line--You can also watch a live stream during the live show on RUMBLE---Time stamps are approximate due to commercials being removed for PODCAST.--Topics include---08- Atheist question, Why did God not create humans in heaven---11- Where did the other people with Adam come from---13- Is the Old Testament reliable---20- Did the calendar change due to Jesus being born---23- Genesis 6-4, Who are the Sons of God---52- Did Jesus stop being God when He left heaven---54- Self defense for the Christian.


The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-227-2276. I want to hear from you.

Give me a call. Hey, I got back from Pennsylvania. I flew up Friday and got back Sunday night and did a conference out there. I just want to say thanks to Isaiah and Abel and Doug for your hospitality and transportation.

Great guys out there. So I had a good time. But I'll tell you, flying out there, of course our flight was delayed. Instead of having one leg, then I had two and then I didn't get in until late. And then coming back, the flight was delayed in Denver.

But you know, that's just how it goes. But I will say this, that I got a witness to a Mormon in Denver, and let's see, I witnessed to some Mennonites. Where was that? I witnessed to them. Anyway, some place. I talked to, oh man, I talked to a bunch of people.

And yesterday I had to go to the store and there's Mormon missionaries coming out of the store and I talked to them. So anyway, it was fun. But there you go. All right. Hey, why don't you give me a call?

877-207-2276. So at the conference I spoke on the perichoretic relationship of the Trinitarian communion as it relates to the hypostatic union. Now talk about nerdy topics, but I enjoyed it and I developed a PowerPoint slide with a bunch of stuff with definitions and stuff. And I went through it slowly. Well, kind of.

No, actually the first time I was, there's a lot there to present. I didn't go super fast, but I didn't go slowly. And then finally I got down to an area where I could slow down and hopefully that went well.

Because people said they liked it. They said it went well. So praise God for that. And let's see, what else was it? Oh yeah, and then I spoke on the deity of Christ, the undiminished deity of Christ. And I enjoyed doing that.

That was a lot of fun. So I don't know if you were there or not. If you're listening and you were there, because maybe some of the people are now listening online, just check me out, whatever. If you want to call in and talk about the conference at all, that's fine too. The number is 877-207-2276.

And if any of you want to call, that's the number. But you can also just send me an email, info at, info at And you can just put a subject line there. You can put, let's see, it would be radio question or radio comment. That would be good. All right.

And so I think that's about it. And these two guys just picked me up at the airport out there. I flew into Pittsburgh, first time I've ever been in Pittsburgh. And then we had about an hour and 20 minutes, hour and a half drive back to a city called Indiana. And that's where the conference was. And when we were there talking to great guys, really they were, they could say, welcome to minutes lick live, just call 877-207-2276.

They would say it together. And so I guess they've been listening for a while. So that was pretty good.

And I got a kick out of that. I really enjoyed teaching there. And the first, you know, I taught I think around 2 o'clock or 2.30, something like that. And then we had a three-hour lunch, dinner break.

And then I taught again afterwards. Before the dinner break, oh my goodness, it was so hot. I was out there just, I was drenched. It was just what it is. They don't have central air.

They just have fans. And that was fine. And normally the temperature has been really cool. They said everything's been fine. But that day got a little warm.

So they got a fan and got me some ice water and managed it. And that was fine. There were good people there, a lot of good people. All right. Having said that, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. So what I'll do, since we don't have any callers waiting right now, I'll give you some of the radio questions and comments and things like that. All right. To Matt Slick, I am a non-believer. You ask for just one question.

But I have many. My first question would have not been easier for your God just created all human in heaven within heaven. Would it have been easier?

I don't know. Because, you know, what's it mean to say it's easier? Do you mean easier as in the effort of God and he had to oomph when he made the universe and everything? Or do you mean easier as in a plan? Do you mean easier as in how it works out for time? Because the question, you know, is it easier just really doesn't really, not to be disrespectful, doesn't make any sense. Because easier in what sense, easier in what regard? And with God, it's not any more difficult to create a universe or to create a planet. It's not any more difficult to have an eternal plan developed or a partial plan within that developed.

So it's just not that good a question. So I think what he might mean is why didn't he just create people in heaven instead of having to go through everything? Well, there are legal reasons according to the law as a reflection of the character of God and the redemptive work and people falling in their sin and all kinds of stuff. And then God in Christ performing the greatest act of love. And so there's a lot of stuff in there and it wouldn't have been easier. But then we have the issue of, well, what about God's love, his character, his righteousness, his holiness? And stuff like that.

So all of it has to be taken into account. Let's get to another email. Let's see. Howdy, Mr. Slick. Love your name and show. Thank you. That reminds me, I was at a terminal. I was in Denver coming back and so I had to verify something at the counter and I went up and verified.

What's your last name? I said Slick. They give you this slight pause. I said, you can laugh.

It's okay. And so these two ladies are chuckling and always use it as an opportunity to witness. So I said, yeah, and I'm a reverend too.

A reverend Slick. And they kind of chuckled. I said, it just doesn't sound good, does it? But at any rate, so that was fun. So anyway, it says, I sent you this question on Facebook page. I guess you didn't get it.

That's for sure. However, my question is, I know God made Adam and Eve and they had two sons, Cain and Abel. When Cain killed Abel, God told Cain he will be a marked man. Did God make other people in general or did they come from Adam's ribs or Eve? Eve is the only one who came from the rib of Adam and they had other children. Now where is the verse for that?

I'm going to go to Genesis chapter 5 verse 4. In the days of Adam, after he became the father of Seth were 800 years and he had other sons and daughters. So he had a lot of children in 800 years. So Eve, man, I wonder how many kids she had. I mean, can you think about it? I bet you she set the record. It just got to be. Maybe she had over a hundred kids.

I don't know. But he lived 800 years. I'm sure she lived several hundred years and they were just made with great genetics. They could live that long and I'm sure they were doing a lot of beginning and that's what was happening. And so they would marry, actually they would marry their brothers and sisters at first. And it wasn't until later when the formation of Israel as a nation occurred that God then put a prohibition on incest.

This is probably because the genetic line was pure perfect with Adam and Eve and over time and the introduction of sin and other issues and stuff gradually. Now it's time to stop that and that's what they did. So hope that helps. Hope that's interesting. And that's what the verse is. Let's see. Come on, get right in there.

There we go. And that's in Genesis 5, 4 is when the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were 800 years. Can you imagine living that long? Can you imagine living 800 years?

Man, what does he have arthritis for 800 years? I don't know. I'm just rambling. All right. So there's that question.

So let's get to another question. And if you guys want, you can give me a call. 877-207-2276. I want to hear from you.

Give me a call, please. And let's see. Got that. Got this. I'm good doing that.

All this stuff, the clicking stuff. All right. How about this?

And if you want, you can put questions in, hold on a sec, in Rumble and you can put them in Clubhouse too. You can also email me. Info at

Info at Let's see. My son-in-law has posed a question to me about Old Testament reliability. He is struggling with having heard something perceived, about perceived differences between Old Testament Hebrew text and the Greek Septuagint text. I don't really know where to begin on this one. Yeah, I'm pretty well versed regarding New Testament criticism, but this one caught me off guard. I'd really appreciate it if you discussed this. Yeah, it's interesting.

I would like to talk to an expert in this because I need to have my own questions answered. I do know that the Septuagint, when the Jews translated the Hebrew, they did things with the Hebrew that doesn't seem to be exactly a translation. So the question then becomes, did they have another Hebrew text? And it wouldn't seem that they did, but is it possible? The other thing is, did they understand things about the text in such a way that they translated it into the Greek according to their understandings about how it was commonly referred to? And maybe that's what they did as well. Now, they didn't do it every verse, but there's enough of those where you start going, okay, it's interesting.

This is the Septuagint version that's quoted in the New Testament, not the Hebrew. So it's stuff like that, and that's about as much as I know about it. I'll have to get some research on that and see if I could learn more about it, but that's what I know. And he says he recommends the website all the time, and he's listened for a decade now. Well, hey, wow, thank you. Now, you got me curious. I wonder what the record would be for who's been listening to me on the radio the longest. So he says ten years. So I wonder who's been listening longer. Now, Charlie, that doesn't count, okay?

He doesn't count because he's always helping me and stuff like that. He's been listening for a long time. I'm doing radio five days a week for 18 years, and I did two years before that one day a week. So I've done radio for 20 years.

So I wonder who's the longest. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you've got to do is dial 877-207-2276.

We have four open lines. We've got Joseph waiting, but we've got to break here any second. So what I'll do is let you know before the break that we do have a need for support if you would care to, if you like what you hear on the radio, and if you want to support the ministry of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, if you want to contribute and support it, please consider going to, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, and you can just donate right there. We ask $5 a month or $20 a month, whatever it is.

You can quit whenever you want, and that's that. All right. So there's the music. We write back after these messages. Please give me a call for open lines, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Joseph. Hey, Joseph, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Just had a question for you, but I also wanted to let you know I was able to go back to the church again, and my mom enjoyed it more this time, so it looks like we'll be able to make it a regular place now. So I'm happy about that.

Good. My question for you is we've been watching the chosen, and they keep putting dates on the screen of how things took place before Jesus was born and then after he was born. But I keep saying, like, A.D.

I thought that only came after Jesus died on the cross. So I'm guessing I forgot what the meaning of A.D. stood for then. It's Anno Domini, and it means the year of the Lord. And so in the year of the Lord is what it means. And so they generally go by what we call the year zero. But it's actually technically probably off by four years.

So someone, I forgot who it was, hundreds and hundreds of years ago did a genealogical search or whatever it was. Anyway, tried to figure out when Jesus was born using the best knowledge and archaeology and references and books he had. And he did pretty well.

Came up to zero, which we call zero. But I think he missed it by four years. It's supposed to be 4 B.C. So Jesus was born 4 B.C., you know, kind of a joke. But it became the standard in Western civilization. So that's it.

That's what it means. The year of our Lord. It is birth, okay? Okay. You there? Hello? I'm not hearing you.

Let's give you another little bit of a minute here. I'm not hearing you, so I'm going to do. Hello? Oh, there you go. Heard something.

Are you there? Yeah. And I've been trying to look up some books on helping talk to my Mormon friends, too. I heard it on the radio earlier yesterday about the books on how to talk to Mormons and things like that.

Because I'm still having a hard time finding the 3913. I haven't had a chance to reach out to yet. I have heard some other things on their little five, ten minute show that they do sometimes. They were recommending a couple books. So I definitely want to check those out. Yeah.

They do really, really well. I appreciate you. Yep. Sorry. Go ahead. I was going to say, I really appreciate your time. As always, I love listening to you on the radio.

And I guess I'll call back if I have any other questions like I normally do. So thanks again, Matt. And God bless you. And you have a great rest of your day. All right, man. You, too. Thanks. Appreciate it. All right. Well, God bless. All right. Bye-bye. Okay. All right.

That was Joseph from Utah. And if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 8772072276. I'm really glad he's going to that church. That's good. So praise God.

Praise God. All right. Let's get to Eric from Charlotte, North Carolina. Hey, Eric. Welcome. You're on the air. Oh, thank you, brother Matt.

Love you. I have a question regarding this Genesis 6, 4, the giant and the earth and the way people tie in the sons of God and the daughters of men and bearing of children. I'm wondering who do you see the sons of God as being?

Number one, fallen angels. Okay. So number two then, are you of the impression that the sons of God impregnated these called sons of God, these fallen angels impregnated women? Yes. Okay. So that sort of forces a question out of my, for me, how is a fallen angel?

How can it be done? No, not so much. No, go ahead and answer that. I'll ask the other question in a moment. Because the answer is I don't know how it works. Well, well then maybe not knowing is, is, is somewhat, I don't want, got to be delicate when I say it. It may not be the case, but my question is, how is it the question, how is that fallen angels are called sons of God? Because that's how the term is used. In other words, I'm sorry? That's how the term is used, sons of God.

Well, I got that, but it seems to me there's a connecting of a dot that isn't there. There's an assumption that these were fallen angels because, I'm sorry? See the term sons of God, I right now, like I just did this on my computer and my program. I just type in sons of God and it gives me every reference in the Old Testament. And it's what about, it's about six of them or so? There's five in the Bible. Five, there we go. In the Old Testament, excuse me. And so we have Genesis 6 for the issue under discussion. We have Job 1, 6. Now there was a day when the son of God came before the Lord and Satan also came among them. Job 2, 1. Again, there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan also came with them.

Then there's Job 38, 7. When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy. So, we have one, two, three, four, five references. Two of them are in Genesis 6. The sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful. The Nephilim on the earth in those days when the sons of God came into the daughters of men. So, if we're going to look and say, well, what does the sons of God mean, the term being in Genesis 6? And we can't tell from it. It doesn't say they're angels, it doesn't say they're people, it doesn't say whatever. Just, we don't know. Then you find out how it's used in other contexts and how it's used in other contexts of angels.

So, it's safe to say that that's what it was. Well, how many times is it written in the book of Genesis? Just two, in Genesis 6-2 and 6-4. Sons, plural, sons of God, not son of God. I got that. So, my trouble, and you can correct me, but my trouble is, you know, is Satan referred to as a son of God?

No. I'm trying to correlate that they would be fallen angels being referred to as sons of God. That's part of my problem, that's not the only one, but I'll let you respond to that and I'll bring out the others. So, I just now did a search for the term son of God in the Old Testament. It does not occur. When I do sons of God, it does.

So, here's something to consider. In Genesis 6, verse 9, let me get over to where it is. It says this, these are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time, but the word there is literally generations.

And the word, this is the NASB I'm reading out of, but it can also be perfect or having integrity in his generations, his ancestry. Now, we've got a break coming up. So, hold on, we'll get into this and I'll expand on this quite a bit, a little bit, okay?

So, hold on. Hey folks, we have a break, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Hey, welcome back everybody. And I'm going to give a special thanks to Marsha Marsha Marsha who gave a $10 rant.

That's nice support there inside of Rumble. Hey, appreciate it. Thank you very much. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get back on with Eric.

Eric, you still there? Yes, sir. All right. Yes, sir.

Right here. Okay. So, what I was going to bring up on this issue here is that it talked about the ancestry of Noah was not corrupted. Now, why would the angelic realm want to do this with women? It's because most probably they wanted to destroy the messianic line. It's a thing early on. And then Noah's Ark came. Okay. And so, that's one theory.

Now, check this out. This is 1 Peter 3, 19 because you talked about Jesus being made alive in the spirit with his death and resurrection. In which also he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison who were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah during the construction of the Ark.

And so, a lot of people think that's a reference to this issue there. And then when you go to Jude 6, And angels who did not keep their own domain but abandoned their proper abode, he has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day. And notice what he says next because this is interesting because he starts talking about Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because he says that they're kept in darkness for the judgment of the great day just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them. Since they in the same way as these. The same way as what?

As the angels. The same way as these indulged in gross immorality. And the word there is ekporneo. And it has to do with just really bad sexual immorality. And they went after strange flesh.

And are exhibited as an example of undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. So there's New Testament support for the idea that this was your fallen angels with women. Well, how is it that that reference isn't to sodomy amongst men?

Strange flesh among men. How is it that that's impossible? No, it is. It is. It is what? I'm sorry?

Obviously it is. Sodom and Gomorrah is homosexuality and the evil that they were practicing. Which is a lesson for us now. I thought you were making a connection that that was a reference to the angels doing that with women.

Oh, okay. I was going to say what Jude does is he talks about the angels who did not keep their first abode. They're in eternal bonds for the great day. Just as Sodom and Gomorrah in the cities in the same way as these, the angels.

That's what his reference is. Same way as these indulged in gross immorality when after strange flesh. So Sodom and Gomorrah is talking about homosexuality and the whole bit and how bad it was and the angels did it too. They did not go.

That's why I have a problem that they were able. Because I think, here's where I think, let me speak on this and see if I'm missing it. That verse there, when I look at the Genesis verse, it speaks of, I'm sorry? Go ahead. I didn't know which verse.

That's all. Go ahead. Yeah, the Genesis 6-4 verse, when reading it, it just seems to, it starts off about the giant.

And then it follows after the mission of the giant, the matter of the sons of God going into the daughters of men. Let's look at it better. Let's look at it.

Look. Verse 3, then the Lord said, my spirit shall not strive with man forever because he is also flesh. Nevertheless, his days shall be 120 years. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days. So in the time of Noah, they were Nephilim. Now the Septuagint translates as gigantes, gigantic, big. The Nephilim were huge. And also afterwards, he says, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men. Now what's interesting here is it says the Nephilim were on the earth in those days also afterward.

So it looks like this was going on for quite a while, very early. Okay. Well, but again, there's the assumption that it was going on that caused the giant. And that's where I'm having a problem. You follow what I'm saying? In other words... Oh yeah. Okay.

Yeah, I hear you. So I think it's wise to err on the side of caution because people automatically assume that the giants were the product of angels with women. And I think that is not necessarily... I think one should hesitate before making that. It is an assumption when there's nothing that says such. You're right.

Hold on, hold on. Good logic. Good logic.

And so I like that you're looking at exactly what it says and going through it. So this is one of the theories because of this kind of insight that you're bringing up. The Nephilim were there before and after. And we know that they were giants.

So what is the source of them? Some say it was an angelic half-breed thing. Some say it wasn't.

And there's different theories about it just because of some things you're saying. That's good. Well, right.

And so therefore, I think to err on the side of caution is the first thought. When the question is asked, how were angels able to be with women? The answer, at least in your case, was, well, I don't know. So then stick with the I don't know in saying, well, let's not assume that's what it was. Because there's an assumption. No, I get you.

Sorry? But I can say I don't know how they did it, but I can still assume that they did. Not knowing how doesn't mean they didn't. So we know from Scripture that angels can appear as people, and you can't even tell the difference between them. You can't even tell they're not human beings. So the angels have some sort of ability to take on a human form in extreme detail. We're talking irises that move open and close with the sunlight, with sweat, with hairs on arms. These people were experts at knowing what people looked like. And you can't even tell that they're not human.

So if they have that kind of ability down to the details, well, then I think it's possible they can have the details in other areas more refined. Well, that's also an assumption regarding reproductive origin. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. What's your position?

What do you think it really is? Because you keep wanting to negate it. My position is that the sons of God were godly men. The sons were godly men who bore children.

Just to leave it simple, because a fallen angel, I would never... Okay, I got you. It's called the Sethite theory. So if that's the case, then I'm going to show you something else, okay?

But I'm going to ask you... Well, before you show me, before you show, what I'm trying to do, though, is separate these Nephilim from the sons of God being the ones who produced them necessarily. Because when people connect... I got you. That's what you're trying to do.

I got you. You're trying to do that, but just like you... See, you're good at saying this doesn't necessitate that, but then you want to draw a necessary thing that still doesn't necessitate it. You can say, here's a theory. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You can say, here's a theory, there's a theory.

I lean towards this one. That's what you do. Okay? You can't say this is a fact. Here's a question for you.

The records of generation of Noah, he was righteous man, blameless in his generations, perfect in his ancestry. Why do you think that's there? I don't know. Okay. Well, I think... Let me show you something else.

Do me a favor. Ask the question again. Let me process it a little bit.

All right. Why would, if it's just people, human beings, then why would the comment be put in there in Genesis 6.9 that Noah was perfect or pure in his generations, his ancestry? Why would that be the case? I would only think because it's... I think it's only referring to him as an individual.

It's speaking of him. I don't know why... Okay. Well, why would it be necessary? Why? Who cares?

When it says the sons of God came into the daughters of men... Well, because God is showing because... Well, hold on. Please, hold on. Hold on.

I am holding on. I'm not interrupting. I thought I was answering the question. That's what I thought.

I wasn't trying to interrupt you, Matt. I would never do that. I'm just saying, if it's just people that are the Nephilim, the daughters of men and all that, it's just people, then why is it necessary to say that Noah was perfect in his ancestry? Why would that be necessary? That's the question.

What do you think? I'm going to give the same answer is, God is highlighting him as an individual as to why he's separating this man, this man, from others to be the one to build the ark. I just look at it in a simple way. Maybe I'm going to tell me I don't know why that's in error. But it doesn't make sense because, well, he's already a human. He doesn't need to point out that his ancestry was perfect. Okay? So it makes more sense to say if they were interbreeding and there were half-breeds everywhere, Noah's generation was clean.

That's what makes more sense. But, hey, hold on. I'll show you one more verse out of Daniel, which I think is very interesting and relative to this. So hold on. Okay, buddy. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Eric and Eric.

Oh, come on. I hit the right button. I closed it. It's the wrong one. Okay, let's try this again. Hey, it's not working. There we go.

Hey, Eric. You there? Yes, I am. Just had a quick question before you go into that other. You're tying in Noah. What is your purpose for tying in Noah with this and being perfect in his generation? I'm trying to make sure I'm understanding the connection you're trying to make with this, the Nephilim and the sons of God. It makes sense to say that the reason the genealogy of Noah was said to be pure is because the half-breeds, the fallen angels and the Nephilim, were growing in number. It was a part of a plan to destroy the messianic line. This is what the Jews always taught, incidentally, by the way. It was the Nephilim. They were the offspring of fallen angels.

The Christian church believed it until the 500s when it came under attack and they came up with the Sethite theory, just so you know. But hey, I want to show you something. You're familiar, I hope, with Daniel, chapter 2, with the vision that Nebuchadnezzar has and the statue, right? Yes.

Yes. So down at the feet, and there's debate on this, but this is a generally held idea is that they are periods of time and that the feet and the clay is supposed to be towards the end times, towards Christ's return and stuff like that. Okay, we'll just leave it generically like that. This is what it says in Daniel 2, 43. And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay. They will combine with one another in the seat of men, but they will not adhere to one another. So in another translation you can say they will combine with one another with the seat of men. And so the implication here is that whoever the they is, is not people. They will combine with one another in the seat of men. Seriously, it's one of the analysis of the Hebrew construction that it is there, the implication is that they is not people because they are combining in the seat or with the seat of men.

So what would that be, what would they be? Well, you know, he's talking about a statue and other things right now, I don't know, but are you saying, are you suggesting that they are non-humans as well during the combining? Is that what you're suggesting? It seems to be the case. It seems to be the case in Daniel 2, 43. Okay, so the point here, the point would then be for me, I'm viewing these sons of God as not fallen, because fallen angels would not be referred to as sons of God.

That's my point. Of course they are. I just showed you where they were. I read the scriptures, where they are.

Absolutely they are. Every place. Where the angels, fallen angels, demons were called sons of God? Where was that verse?

Yes, it was Job's. I said where? You're saying, yes. But I showed it to you when we first started. No, you're saying you showed it. I'm asking you to tell me where these fallen angels are called sons of God.

That's the point. I'm saying what verse says that they were fallen angels? Yes. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan also came with them.

Now, what could that, what are a couple of options that could mean? Well, I don't want to give this some big debate. Okay, look, I've got callers waiting.

Okay, this is, you want to just debate everything. I'm not into that right now. No, I don't. I'm just telling you.

I love you, brother. That's not true. Hold on. I'm just telling you that this is where these verses, these terms occur and they occur in the context of fallen angels.

Okay? Okay, then, so then having said that, my position on that is that these were godly men and that Satan comes here to disrupt the body of Christ and other godly men. Satan was there. I believe Job was one of those sons of God there. I believe these people were children, servants of the most high God.

Satan is there observing them and then just sticking his foot in. And therefore, you know, so maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not trying to just be argumentative with you. I regret you had to conclude that or say that because I don't operate like that.

So it kind of went sideways when you said that. I'm not trying to debate everything. I'm not wired like that. Okay.

But the thing is, I would suggest look up the term sons of God and how it's used in the Old Testament. And that's the context and see and check it out. You have your opinion.

I have mine and that. We disagree. Okay.

All right. Well, we can at least agree that these giants were existing prior to that. And it seems to go by that text that it says also during, you know, afterward or during that time. So it seems to be later on. Seems like there's a sequence that is missing and shows that these sons of... Yes, that's right. But there's a lot to this. And, you know, it's worth a big study. Okay.

We got callers waiting. I really regret, you know, making you think I was trying to just debate you, debate everything. Please forgive me if that's the way it appears. Never mind. Never mind my intention. So God bless you, brother. I love you. All right, man. God bless. Thanks. All right. Well, now let's get over to Alberto. Hey, Alberto.

Welcome. You're on the air. Well, what do you mean my slave? Yeah, I was watching this video from Robert Morris. He said that the believer, he is totally human, right? And then with Jesus, he became human. But when he left heaven, he emptied himself.

Basically, he ceased to be divine. No, okay. Now, hold on. We are partially divine. No, hold on.

Hold on one second time. So you said Robert Morris said that he ceased being divine? Because I don't believe he would say that.

Well, I saw a video, but this guy put it out there on Smart Christian Channel, Corey Minor. He put a clip. Okay, but that's not Robert Morris who would say that, right? Morris. Morris.

Morris. Okay. Okay. Good. Okay. So, no, Jesus did not stop being divine. It's impossible. Okay.

All right. And so he said that once Christ listened to Christians, that we're partially divine. That's false, right? Yeah, that's just a load of crap. Sorry, but it is.

We're not partially divine. Yeah. Okay.

This is when people don't know about logic and definitions and doctrines and then they get up and they pontificate and they think they make sense about stuff and they don't. And that's a good example of a heresy. Okay. Jesus never stopped being divine and we don't become divine. Okay, we don't.

All right. Anyway, we're not partially divine because divinity has to do with nature and essence and our essence is human. We don't change our essence from non-human to partially divine because by definition, that which is human is also not divine.

So you can't have that blend, that kind of a new thing because the properties emanate out of the essence and if the human nature ceases to be purely human and then becomes partially divine, then the essence is changed and it's called continuity, the continuity of the person ceases. There's a lot of problems with that position. Okay. Yeah. All right. Basically, he's a heretic then, right? Oh yeah.

He's a false teacher if you're saying that. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you.

We want to confirmation from you. Thank you. Okay. God bless. All right. God bless. All right.

Let's see. Let's get to Johnny from Oklahoma City. Hey, Johnny.

Welcome. Johnny. You're on the air. Okay.

Hi. Can you hear me? Sorry.

I wasn't on that screen. Yes, I can. I can hear you. Can you hear me now? Okay.

Yes, I hear you. It might be a little difficult for me to get this out, but I've been kind of struggling with this question. It's been really bothering me, but I can't find anywhere in the Bible where it says if you are being directly attacked by evil, and I mean on a mass scale in a whole society where it says that there is a time, other than Ecclesiastes 3, that you actually stand up to the evil and fight back, possibly with violence.

Or do we just stay as a child of God and make room for God's wrath? Both. All right. And so, it's been a while since I've gone to this, the right of self-defense. And I got an article I wrote a year or so ago, Do Christians Have the Right of Physical Self-Defense?

I wrote it in August of 2021, so two years ago. And the answer is absolutely yes. So physical self-defense is permitted, but it's not obligated. You have the right to defend yourself, but you don't have to. We have the right and obligation, however, to defend others. We are not to take vengeance. We are to seek peace whenever possible. We can flee to avoid persecution. We're to pray for our persecutors. We're to love our enemies. We are in a spiritual battle. We must defend the true gospel. We're to resist evildoers, whether they're small in number or large, as well as bad governments. I've got all the references.

I'm not going to read all the references, but it's in my article on Karm. Our suffering is granted by God. Many Christians have accepted death as a testimony of their faith in Christ. And in light of possible violence, Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword.

They even used a scourge to drive people out of the temple. So yeah, we have the right to defend ourselves and the obligation to defend others. Yeah, that was perfect. Thank you.

That answered everything that I was wondering. So the article is called, Do Christians Have the Right of Physical Self-Defense? Okay, I'll read it. And I put the summary points at the end so people could have a quick reference.

You could copy that list and put it on your notes or whatever, but it's right there. We have the right, for example, the right and the obligation to defend others, Psalm 82.4. Rescue the weak and needy. Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked, or Proverbs 24.11. Deliver those who are being taken away to death and those who are staggering to slaughter. Hold them back.

Or how about Luke 22, 36, Jesus said, whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. So I mean, you know, are you there? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I'm there. I didn't find those passages, so I'll look them up and read them. And here's another one, Exodus 22, 2. If the thief is caught while breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there will be no blood guiltness on his account. In Luke 11, 21, when a strong man fully armed guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

So it's right there. This is what the Bible's teaching. And so we have the right of self-defense. This is different than the obligation of self-defense. You know, someone's persecuting you for your faith, you have the right to defend yourself, but you're not obligated to do it.

You might just sit there and take it. But when someone else is being assaulted, we have the obligation to defend them. That's right.

Read the scriptures. Okay. Okay.

Wow. There was a big thunder roar, as you guys hear it, right when you said that. Well, good. But this is something that's not taught very much in churches, and it needs to. And we are to be as passive as possible, to pray for our enemies, to be at peace whenever possible. However, we have the right of self-defense.

And if someone comes into my home seeking to do harm to my wife and I, I will do whatever I can to stop them. Okay. All right, buddy, we're out of time. All right. God bless. Thanks, Thursday Music. And it was great being back.

Had a great time in Pennsylvania. And by God's grace, we're back on the air tomorrow. And save your questions for now. And we'll talk to you then. God bless. Bye.
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