Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live! Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, listening to Matt Slick Live.

If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. Tonight, I was, we postponed it for one day, it was supposed to be in a debate tonight, but the other guy, he had an issue. I had an issue a week and a half ago, a week or so. We had to move it back. Wife's health and some other issues and some stuff kind of piled up.

Now he has stated that he's having trouble speaking with his voice, so we moved it back one day. We'll see how that goes. I'll update the calendar on Karm for that.

I'll be debating is the Trinity necessary for reality with a Muslim who, well, he said he knows more about the Trinity than I do, and that I'm demon-possessed, and he likes to attack the doctrine of the Trinity. And so, it'll be interesting, an interesting discussion, I think, and if you guys are interested in that, you can check out the calendar. It'll be for tomorrow night.

That's how it's scheduled right now. I need to update, or maybe Laura can go just change the date. I don't know if she wants to do that or not, but she's pretty good. We have people who help us here at the intergalactic headquarters of Karm, and one of them is Laura.

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She's a great asset. And then we have Charlie, who's also on, he helps out a great deal. I've known him for, I guess, well over 40 years. And he's the guy who read me the quote from Joseph Smith, where Joseph Smith, he's boasted that he did more than Jesus to keep the church together.

And that quote got me studying, and here we are 42 years later, and just serving the Lord. All right, now look, hey, we have five open lines. Why don't you give me a call? 8772072276. I want to hear from you, and I also want to remind you that we stay on the air by your support. Would you please consider just going to the Karm.org website, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, and on the left-hand side, you'll see the word donate, and it's in the menu.

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And what they do is they pass out literature, do website work, and all kinds of stuff for the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. I already had Carlos on. I've got to get David on, David from Brazil.

He's a great guy. And we're going to hopefully be going to Israel next year, and that trip's full. So if any of you want to join me in another trip, we might be doing one in a year later, and that's going to make the footsteps of Paul or something like that, or maybe going to some other areas. But anyway, which is what we're doing. All right, nobody's waiting right now. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to talk about something from yesterday, because the issue of the lordship of Abraham in reference to his wife, Abraham, I mean his wife, Abraham, his wife, Sarah. So I'm going to read 1 Peter 3.1.

Now, the reason I'm doing this is because it really popped into my mind when I was talking here, and sometimes when nobody's calling in for the first part of a show, what I'll do is I'll just teach on something. And over the years, I've done I think the number, it's either 35 or 36 instances where I have counseled couples, married and premarital counseling as well, 36 total. I think it's 36.

I'm 36. And of those instances or those times when I would counsel them, 31 of those 36, the guy, the man, has been the major problem. And I was stunned by that when I started seeing the regularity of the men not stepping up to do their jobs. But I also noticed something else that there was, from their experience and other counselors that they went through, it was a session of beat up the man. Now, just a disclosure here. My wife and I, early on in marriage, we had some difficulties. We went and saw a couple of counselors. And I'll just say that I was the major problem.

And I'm not shocking anybody. My wife had her issues too. It takes two to tangle. But I do remember that in one session, one counselor, it was beat up Matt time. And I remember this. And I ended up leaving and getting discouraged because it was just a constant attack.

And I never forgot that. And then when I started, that's where we go. My wife and I made things work and our eyes are on Christ and we have a good marriage now. And so I started counseling people and I started seeing the same kind of a thing coming through where men would say that in different counseling situations they just get beat up all the time. And the women, nothing happens to them. It's not like, oh, let's give the women their fair shake.

But I started paying attention to this and I also started noticing that, well, men are mostly the problems in these marriages. So 31 out of 36 times. And I wonder what that percent is. Let's see.

Let's see. 31 divided by 36 is 86 percent of the time it was the guys. And I've got some things I could say about that and why it was because I looked for underlying commonality. But one of the things I noticed is that men a lot of times did not have a good understanding of what it meant to be a Christian man.

And not that I've got it down, but they didn't understand it. And so what I would start doing is teaching from a theological perspective and I call it the theology of marriage. And I'm actually working on an outline and one of the things I want to do within a year or so is develop a coursework called The Theology of Marriage.

And I found out that by discussing the doctrine of the Trinity, the hypostatic union, and the relationship of these doctrines as they go into covenant, the eternal covenant of God, and then I relate them to what marriage is as a comparison to that. Then I found out that both the male and the female, both the couples, they would be really surprised at what it was that they were learning because they hadn't heard this before. When I did premarital counseling before my wife and I got married, none of what I teach people, mostly 95 percent of what I teach people, wasn't covered. And I really think it's a lack, and I want to fix that, but not that I have all the knowledge, I certainly don't. And there's a lot of guys and gals out there who know stuff better than I do about marriage counseling.

But I know it from the theological perspective and I've discovered that it's very, very helpful. And so in the issue of 1 Peter 3, in the same way you wives be submissive to your own husbands so that if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives. And there's psychology behind here because men like to see what you do, and women generally like to hear what you do.

Now, that's not always the case, but with women they're more communicative and they talk and they get things out in their feelings and communication, and that's a great thing. Men don't always do that. Two guys might come out or if I say to my friend, if he asks me, hey, can you come over to my house on such and such a date, I need help moving something, if I say, I'll be there, that's all I have to say, I'll be there.

And done. I don't have to give him hugs, I don't have to write him a letter, I don't have to bring chocolates when I go out there or bring flowers or bring a card. I just show up, and if I don't show up, it's a reflection of my character and my word.

There better be a good reason. Like the car broke down, I was up to my aliens, whatever it is, it better be good. And then it's excusable, because we're men of our words.

And men are short and to the point about discussions and about things, and they don't need to be browbeat about things. And so I had a friend, I still have a friend of course, who wanted me to drive an hour and a half to meet him at a certain place to do tractor work with him so that he could do something that he needed two men, it would make it a lot easier and a lot safer for him. I said, sure, I'll be there.

And I was there. And, you know, because it's my word. Now this is the thing, when in a marriage context, if the woman starts talking to the guy about all the things he's got to do over and over and over, that is counterproductive. What she needs to do is just be in a submissive state of trying to win him by her manner, because he will see it. He will see it. He doesn't need to hear it. That's the difference.

It's a fundamental difference. And this is why Peter wrote this, in the same way you might be submissive to your own husband so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, because men watch it. And that's the thing, because if he's free to just watch, and it may take weeks, months, years even, before he goes, man, I've got to change.

I've got to work. I've got to match her goodness. Because that's what guys will do. They'll see it. And if I'm with my buddy, and he's doing something far better than me, if he's just naturally better at it, I can see he's better at it, but there's always a sense of competition with us.

Well, I can do this faster than you can. We boast and we mock each other because we love each other. But the thing is, with a wife doing that to the husband, that can be detrimental. Because she's not a man.

And so there's a difference in dynamics that are there. And so the submission is not obedience. Submission is voluntary. Obedience is not.

What he's talking about here is submitting to the Lord and looking to the husband without saying the words, but regarding him in his lordship position as a leader of the house. Now, women may not like that. Maybe their husbands aren't worth that. Well, that's another topic.

We could talk about that. Because there's always variables. But this is what he's talking about here. And when Peter goes in, he then talks about the adornment as not to be merely external, but internal. He's saying what really is the most important thing is how you are internally and how that comes out in relationship with the husband. And so when I talk about this kind of a thing in a marriage counseling situation, a lot of times the women, I watch body language, and they're reticent to receive this because they're not used to being informed of this kind of thing. Generally speaking, they're not used to it. And I have to work with them.

And they're used to the husbands getting trashed because it is the case 86 percent of the time there seem to be a lot of the problem. And I have to fix them. Say, look, theologically this is what you're required to do.

And boy, I'll tell you, I certainly can do that with the men. But because this came up yesterday about 1 Peter 3.6 was on my mind. And so when Sarah calling Abraham Lord does not mean that he's a Lord like Jesus, but that he is in the position of headship in the home, and if she acknowledges that and shows her the respect due to that position, then generally what happens is men will rise to the occasion.

It may take a while. They may make mistakes in the process. But that's how you get a man to be a better man, not by telling, not by lecturing, not by giving the eye, not by tilting your head and walking away, not by whatever and constantly. I mean, I'm sure sometimes you get upset and you do something okay.

I get it. But if I'm talking about if that's how the normal relationship is where a woman is trying to correct and guide her husband, then she is really blowing it heavily and needs to stop that. It needs to be a different dynamic altogether. She needs to not make him put his guard up.

But if she relaxes that guard, he is free then to spend the energy looking at himself and how to improve himself in light of your goodness. That's how it's supposed to be. Hey, there you go. 4 Open Lines, 877-207-2276.

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We have 4 Open Lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Matt from California. Matt, welcome. You're on the air. Hello, hello.

Repeat offender. Hey, that's fine. That's fine. No problem.

No sweat. Anybody with the name Matt obviously is intelligent and humble and good-looking and everything. I hope. I hope I can qualify for a little bit of intelligence anyway. You're helping me. You're helping me grow, I think. Well, that's good. You're pruning me and I think I'm starting to flower a bit.

So what changes do I got today? I got a question pertaining to that which is possible with God. Matthew 19, 26, Jesus said, with man, this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible. Right.

So the question would be then, could God create a species whether human or extraterrestrial where he deliberately wants outcome uncertainty as to what choices they ultimately will make? Wait. Say that again.

Where what? Well, outcome uncertainty. Wait, wait, wait.

No, no, no. I'm missing one word. I'm missing a word. Outcome and uncertainty or certainty? Yeah.

Which? Uncertainty. Uncertainty. Okay.

Because my hearing isn't as great as it needs to be. So, okay, so ask the question again. So could God, if it was his desire, his intention, to create a species where he would not ultimately know everything, 100% the choices that they would make. No.

No, it's not possible. Okay. Now there are theologians who go into what's called open theism and process theology where they, and that open theism is heretical because it says God does not know everything but he's growing in his knowledge and that's a form of process theology. Yeah, growing in knowledge would be a problem. Right. But my position is like if he desired to create a species where there would be someone... No, it can't.

...with the choices they would make. He cannot create something outside of his sovereignty and knowledge and experience and presence. It's not possible because God is a creator of all things and all things that are actual were first potential because God has an infinite set of knowledge and therefore all things that were potential in his mind are eternally known and then that which exists is a subset of that potentiality. So actuality was always in the potentiality of God's mind because he knows all things. He does not grow in wisdom, does not grow in his knowledge. Wouldn't it be fair to say though that by him being aware of the potentiality it wouldn't mean that he has to be aware of the actuality?

You don't understand. If there were hypothetically a thousand potentialities, there's a lot more, of course, but let's just use a thousand and there was a thousand possible universes he could have created. He would know all the potentialities of each of those one thousand, period. Right, but knowing the potential doesn't mean he knows the actual.

But hold on. Therefore when he brings in one of those potentials and makes it actual, then it is actualized because of God's decreed of will. Therefore, since he knows all possibilities in any potentiality, then when it's actualized he knows all actualities that will come to pass.

Okay? Yeah, I don't think physically that it really conclusively says that it's impossible if it was his will and his intention. You don't understand.

I'll say this respectfully. You don't understand the nature of God at this point. God is what we call a say. He has the quality of eternal independence and non-contingency. This is his essence. Because he possesses this essence and this nature of eternal non-contingency in his nature and his essence, it also means that all knowledge is not dependent upon anything external to him.

It's called ad extra. It's not how he gains his knowledge through extrapolation or consideration or contemplation or reaction to something that is brought about. God's knowledge is eternally infinite and never grows or decreases.

This is who God is, the Christian God. And from this, necessities logically flow. That means that if God has all knowledge, then he has all knowledge of all events that will ever occur in any world he creates. And they will occur because they can't occur unless God has arranged for what's called the ultimate and or proximate causes in which the efficient cause or people's free will choices operate. The free will choices have to be known. Otherwise, then we don't have the Christian God. In definition, the Christian God knows all things actual as well as potential.

Are there scriptural references? This is a matter of his omnipotence, correct? No, omniscience. God knows all things, 1 John 3.20.

This is his nature. Malachi 3.6, he is unchanging. Psalm 90 verse 2, from everlasting to everlasting, you are God. So the Bible talks about him and his omniscience in Psalm 139, 119, talks about him being everywhere. So the Bible talks about his existence as eternal, from everlasting to everlasting, you are God, Psalm 90 verse 2. That he's unchangeable, Malachi 3.6, Hebrews 10.20, no, I don't remember this point, 10.22, I think. That he's unchangeable in his nature. He has all knowledge, he knows all things, 1 John 3.20. There's never a case where God learns anything. There are anthropomorphic... Yeah, I would never suggest learning anything.

Okay. So this means then, in the mind of God, all things that exist were potentialities. Before he created, all choices, even the fact that I just snapped my finger with my right hand, is ordained by God from all eternity. It does not necessitate that he made me do it by putting his hand on my hand and making me snap my fingers, but by the condition of his sovereignty in all areas, he can bring me to the place of doing it freely. He moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go, Proverbs 21.1.

We're still free. But a lot of the open theists delve into the deep end of heresy and then they start saying, well, God is learning and God doesn't know all things. Well, that's not the God of scripture.

And then they get into some other areas of error. I have these jokes I say about the God of open theism, because that means the future is open. God doesn't know everything that's going to happen because it's your free will. If you have free will, then God can't know everything that's going to happen, otherwise you're not free in stupid logic. And I'll say, when something goes wrong, what does the God of open theism say?

Don't. Okay, you know, oops. Or something else the God of open theism would say, well, that didn't work. Oh, man, that caught me off guard.

I've got to try one. Or how about this one? You go up to God and you go, hey, did you hear the one about? And he goes, no, I haven't.

It's because what open theism does, and this whole idea it does, is it lowers God in order to exalt man, and that's idolatry. Hold on, man, we've got to break, okay? All right.

Whew, I love this stuff. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Three open lines, 877-207-2276.

Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody, how are you doing? I'm smiling because we were joking around in the chat room, and Randall got me. That was a good one, Randall.

Made me laugh. All right, let's get back on the air with Matt from California. Okay, buddy. So are you with me? Yeah, yeah.

So I wonder if I could revert to something I touched upon a couple times before maybe last week. I don't want you to think I'm, like, beating a dead horse, but I did a little more examining of, like, Paul's statement in Hebrews 927, where it is appointed unto men once to die and bear after the judgment. So with regards to babies, they're not men. And these are women. And these are women. So are you making a gender distinction here and doing that?

Because men here, this includes everybody. That's what it is. Right, right.

And we know that, like, but... Does that include babies then? Well, like, that could be a gray area where somebody's like, well, that's a big concern. No. No, it's not. It's not a gray area. Man includes women.

It's all-inclusive. You can't say that it's appointed men to die once and that babies are not included in that category until they get to a certain age, then they're included in the category? It wouldn't make any sense. Okay. But if I can reference some other passages that where a Christian may want to take it as an absolute statement, or it seems like an absolute statement.

Go ahead. What verse? What verse?

Okay, where is it? There is Matthew 7.16. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs? No, do they pick grapes from thorn bushes, or do they pick figs from thistles?

Right. So why I'm presenting that is we know that there is fruit that is of value to be picked that does have thorns on the tree or on the bush. Okay, you just took a verse and you didn't look at the context. What he's talking about here is false prophets who come in sheep's clothing as rabid wolves. You'll know them by their fruit. He's talking about what comes out of their hearts.

They're picking grapes. No, I know, but being that that's used as an example, being that that's used... Okay, so what's your ultimate question or point about this? What's your ultimate point? Because I'm not following here.

It would be like if that's being used that that's rock solid, that you will never find the fruit of value that comes from a plant. Okay, I'm confused. You're talking about babies and now you go to this verse. I don't see any connection yet. So are you on a different topic or the same one?

You know, I can explain what that does. The issue is where it seems like a statement is rock solid. It's tight. I'm seeing that it has holes. Some areas of the Bible... Wait a minute, okay.

So what you do... I get you. So you go to one place in scripture that's metaphoric and then you say because it's metaphoric over there, it has to be over in some other place. That's called illegitimate totality transfer.

It's a faulty exegetical procedure. Now, I've shown you... Okay, hold on.

Hold on. I've shown you you've got to look at the scriptures in their context. Don't jump around and bring them together. That's what the Mormons do. That's what the Jehovah's Witnesses do.

You can't do that. You've got to read them in a context because they don't say what people want them to say when you take them out of context. Okay? So I'm not going to be sure what you're talking about now. We've talked about the babies. Babies are included in the category of men because as are women. It's appointed to men to die once.

As a matter of fact, this is a judgment. And that's it. There's no reincarnation.

There's no second chance. That's it. Okay? Well, here's all I'm trying to say is that it doesn't seem so locked solid in the statement. Okay. Well, I'll tell you what.

I'll tell you what. I'm glad that you agree with me that I'm right about this. You know, as you just admitted. Okay? I'm glad. That's good.

Okay? Well, I could be like, I'm glad that you agree, that I agree with you agreeing. Now, see, we have a word game, you see, because if it's just, if what you're saying is, it just could mean this.

We're going to be open to whatever. Then I can interpret whatever you're saying whatever way I want also. It doesn't work like that. It leads to incoherence.

You read it in the context. That's not what I'm trying to do. But it is what you're doing. We need to move along, okay, Matt, because you need to get more articulate in your questioning and you're not, people waiting, and you're not really thinking these things through.

You cannot make the extra difficult errors that you just did. Can I present more? We're going to move along. Call back tomorrow and we'll get there.

All right. Let's get to Sean from Utah. Hey, Sean, welcome. You are on the air. Hey, good to talk to you, Matt.

Appreciate your patience with your callers. Hey, I have a question. Years ago, I was talking with my father-in-law who, devout LDS, we were having a debate, or he was asking about Christianity. And he asked me this question, why didn't Jesus teach math or science?

And I was wondering if you've heard that one before, because he looked at me like, checkmate, I win. Well, he didn't teach about nuclear physics either. He also didn't teach about sewing techniques or how to do a good backhand in tennis. What's the point? Yeah, exactly. And I kind of told him the same thing. That wasn't his purpose. But he says, the reason was because I already know it all.

You see, I'm probably over a million years old and I'm just a little bit below God and I won't know that. He said that? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He said that?

He actually said that? I had to move away. I was waiting for lightning to strike, because he was saying exactly what I was saying. I'm so much greater than I even know that I could have been. I think I already know it all.

I already know all the math and science. He didn't have to teach me. It was just hidden from me. And I'm so much greater than I even know. And this is the guy who's been in it for 20 or 30 years. Well, then you got him.

You got him. Because then you could say, then Jesus came to explain what you did not know. And that's the nature of who he is and what the Gospel really is, because apparently you didn't know. So let's go to what he says and let's see what the Gospel is, according to what Jesus said. Yeah, that's a good one.

I'll have to remember that. I mean, this was years ago when he talked about it. And I thought I had to prepare for years and years to know what they teach in order to debate with them or talk theology. And I realized how weak every argument he has, and when I would counter it, he would just jump to the next thing.

And, oh, well. It's a technique used in the cults in that if they get cornered, it's called red herring. They don't address the issue. They just bring up something else. I see it all the time. I see it with atheists. I see it with Christians. I see it with Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses. I see it with Muslims. I see it with Roman Catholics.

They do the same thing. Now, me, I focus. Let's focus on this point. Let's see if we can get this point worked out and go to the next one. We're laying a brick down.

Let's make sure the brick's in the right place. We understand it properly. That's good.

That's good. Yeah, I had talked with him about Jeremiah talking about the preexistence to show that God knows who we are, because he used that as his argument, that God knew me, so I knew him, right? And let's just say that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And he throws it out.

Well, anyway, how about there? Yeah, Jeremiah 1.5, before you were in the womb, I knew you. It is not that he had a preexistence, because God's knowledge of people. When he says, I know you, it means you're saved. When he says, I don't know, it means you're not saved. You can go to Matthew 7, 22, and 23 for that. You can also go to cross-reference it with John 10, 27 to 28, and Galatians 4, 8, and 9. And this is a teaching in Scripture. So what he's talking about in Jeremiah is the foreordination and predestination of him as an elect individual to whom God has known in a saving way. It doesn't mean that he had a preexistence. This is something that the Mormons have woefully failed to understand in the context of biblical theology, because they don't take the Bible seriously. They don't understand.

Yeah, it's between the lines and what it does not say. They build a complete theology on that and their doctrine. So I just was wondering if you'd heard that one, because I'd always thought their idea of preexistence, I die, then I go to this heaven, and then I start working to become a god for the next million years, and he's saying, I'm already there. I'm just a little bit below God right now. What arrogance. I just don't know how great I am. He's had no encounter with God.

None. Even Joseph Smith boasted that he did more to keep a church together. And he's following Joseph Smith, because Joseph Smith said neither John, Paul, Peter, nor Jesus has ever done such a work as I. And the arrogance that is there, that we could become gods like God, the arrogance that is a judgment upon people, that God judges their hearts and minds and gives them over to the depravity of their sin, that to believe that lie, so that he would say that, he's already judged right now to believe that. Yep. Yes. And how much harder to get out of it, to want to give all that up, to follow the real Jesus.

It's like they're blinded and very little hope for him. But we'll keep working. That's right.

You know, the power of the gospel, the power of the gospel has got to go forth. Yep. That's right. All right, brother. Good for you, Matt. Thanks, Matt. Give it. Okay, that was Sean from Utah.

Good discussion. Now we're going to get to Kerry from Idaho after the break. We have four open lines, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody.

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Let's see, I want to use the word atrocity of their misinformation oppression is not going to affect us. All right, so there you go. Hey, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Kerry from Idaho. Hey, welcome. Hi, Kerry. Hi, Matt. How's it going? It's going. Long time, no talk.

I know. I was just chatting with Noel in the chat room, and we were talking about the submission topic in situations where women are unequally yoked, and the man wants her to follow him in a direction opposite of God, and the bind that puts her in because she wants to follow God, her husband wants her to follow him in the opposite direction, and no matter what she does, somebody's unhappy with her. And so if she follows her husband, is she making an idol out of him? And if she follows God, her husband's upset. So what is she supposed to do? She's supposed to follow God first. God's always first. Okay. Above your spouse, period. Above your children, period. Perfect.

So you always follow God. So if, for example, he says, hey, let's go to a swingers party, she says, nope. Yeah. That's not happening. Yeah.

Well, you're supposed to submit. Not to that, I'm not. That's right.

That's right. She needs to rest and make sure, and this works for both parties, make sure that the reason is because of the work of Christ and the position that he or she is in Christ. That's what needs to be the ultimate reason, and not in a haughty, challenging way that is condemning, but no, my position with my Lord, I cannot do that, and I will not do that.

I'm just letting you know. Still love you, but I'm not going to participate in X, Y, Z, whatever it is. Now, if it's just making a mistake in judgment, like I use this analogy to buy a car when you really can't afford it and he wants to do it, well, you know, then let him pay the consequences. He'll have to work it out, and that's just how it is sometimes, and that's how marriage is.

Okay. Yeah, it's tough. I prayed for a lot of years, and in all those years of spiritual battle, he got his way much of the time, and I was in a lot of anguish, but now, after 20 years of praying, he's going to church with me, and he's actually interested, and he's listening, and I will say God put him through a real severe disciplinary period. It happened, and it was so painful, and it was painful for the whole family, but he had to see the pain of the whole family because of his actions and leadership, and so it takes time, yeah. It does, it takes time, and it's not easy, and it's not like, oh, I don't want women to be out there thinking, oh, do we have to suffer through all of this?

Well, a husband has to suffer through it if it was reversed. We are obligated to follow Christ and to do the best we can, and we're going to make mistakes in the process, but that's it, and that's what's going on, and I tell them, think in the long term. If you get uppity, male or female, husband or wife gets uppity about their spouses, whatever, and I'm not going to put up with that for very long, and that's the attitude, well, think. Is that what Christ would want of you? He puts up with you, and don't put up with sin, of course, but these are just general comments that we worked out in particular.

Yeah, good for you. Are you still going to Josh's church? You still going to Josh's church? Josh? Oh, you know, we tried it for a while, and we missed Eagle Christian, and we decided we're just going to stick with Eagle Christian, and we like the Saturday night option.

Which one are you going to? Oh, Christian, oh, Star, Star. Okay, yeah, I was there with Eagle.

Yeah, it's Eagle. It's a little bit of a drive for us, but, you know, it's okay, and they preach about predestination, although they say they lean Arminian. It makes no sense. It's not too moron, but I just don't worry about it. Tell them to have me come in, and I'll speak.

They know me. Okay, so that's another thing. Okay. I like that's going to happen.

All right, thanks a lot. Okay, bye-bye. Bye. All right, I love talking about predestination, but, boy, it sure riles people, and it riled me when I first heard about it, like, no way. But I enjoy it because, well, it riles people.

There's a little bit of satisfaction in that, but mostly it's because it's what the Bible says, you know, and they've got to face it. It's what it says. Well, I don't like that.

Well, neither did I when I first found out about it, so I understand that sentiment, but that's what it says. All right, phone open lines, 877-207-2276. Now we're going to get to the infamous Alberto. Alberto, brother, welcome. You're on the air, man.

Yeah, good evening, Matt Slick. Yeah, I've got a question. I used to visit one time this church up north in Riverside, New Jersey. It's called the East Coast of Jesus, and I went one time to visit, and suddenly these guys put your hands on you. They're like, oh, you've got a spirit of sex.

Oh, you've got a spirit of this. You know, how do you know these churches are really... I would have asked them, do you sense the spirit of irritation I'm going through right now?

Yeah, that's funny. You know, I always wondered, what if they ever would be able to say something like, you have the spirit of apathy? I'd be like, well, how would you know? Because the spirit of apathy would be saying, I don't want to do anything.

So how would you know if it was there or not? Anyway, sorry, go ahead. You know, in a way, they had like a book section, right, and I started looking at a lot of the books that they're promoting there. They're from Kenneth Hagin. Oh, that's bad. And I know Kenneth Hagin was a heretic, you know.

Yes, yes, that's true. And so, I mean, I don't know. And they do all kinds of different prayers for everybody, and it's supposed to be they have this, I don't know, the word of knowledge or whatever they got. I mean, it's like praying over you. It's ridiculous. You know, so those kind of churches, how do you live with those kind of churches?

Are they what, particular? They're whacked. Well, look, one of the first things I do when I go to a church, if I'm visiting or whatever, you know, not that I'm going to speak there, but let's say I'm going to help somebody or meet somebody at a church, one of the first things, if I can, if it's open, I'll go in and look at the library.

That's a killer for me right there. If they've got books by Kenneth Copeland or Joyce Meyer up there on there, a whole bunch, I'm like, okay, I can't trust these guys. They don't know what's going on. But, you know, that's what I do. I mean, you know, but you have good judgment in that.

But, look, to say they put their hands on you, it's just awesome. You have the spirit of whatever. You have the spirit of irritation right now because you're irritating me. It's so stupid. I've got one more.

I love that stuff. I've got one more question. Well, it's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. I mean, come on, you know. They can put their hands on you. They know about you.

I can tell you what you've got. Really? They can not say anything. They just put their hands on me and go, you definitely have the spirit of irritation. I go, well, that's true. That's pretty true.

My wife had confirmed that one. But, you know, what else would they say? I want to know.

I mean, do they know why it's coming? You know, I want to know. So, anyway, I'm sorry. I'm having fun.

It's okay. I've got another question. On Trump, like if he was the savior of America, he's only a man. That's for sure. And some people, sometimes you put their faith in this man, you know, it's only a speck of dust. Yeah, but you've got to understand.

America's God. You've got to understand. But, you see, the thing is, the left is so whacked. They're so deceptive. They're so dishonest. They're so ungodly. There's this guy, Trump, and he's got his issues. He's in the darkness because he says a lot of things that are true. The leftist wacko media that lies.

It does. You know, the people who are opening the borders. It's wrong. And he's correct.

And he's resonating with people because it's obvious. He's not perfect. That's for sure. But that's why. That's why.

That's what's going on. And, you know, the man, the strong armor of God, you know, he should be our king. He should be our leader this nation.

Yeah. Well, you know, talking about this, because we've got nobody waiting right now, I've actually thought about running for the presidency of the United States. And the reason is because I had the last name for it. And also, I couldn't do any worse than Biden. I mean, those are two excellent qualifications. See, it's just, I mean, could you imagine, you know, someone says, what qualifications have you got?

None. But I can do better than Biden's doing. So what are you going to, you know, why are you running?

Because my last name is slick. It would fit right into politics. You know, there's my platform. It would be so stupid, you know. But anyway, it'd be fun, you know. Sorry, I can't help it. Well, I was reading this thing on the internet. But the Senate, the Congress lady, I don't know if you know her, Marjorie Greene.

Marjorie Greene, yeah, uh-huh. The program de Sanse is not running for president in 2024. But he has the mask, every single right to run what he wants the president if he wants to.

Sure. To prevent him from running for president. Well, the left is trying whatever they can to get rid of him. And the left, you can't trust them. I listen to them. They are liars. They lie. I mean, knowingly, purposefully lie.

I'm not exaggerating. They lie. They tell deceptions on purpose in order to gain power. They have no integrity. They're hypocrites. And hypocrisy is a form of lying. And if you vote for someone like that and get them in office, they're going to bring that lack of integrity there with them. And if they can get in by deception, by accusation of things that are false, they do this all the time. You know, the Russia conspiracy, there was no evidence of that.

They would just repeat it. And it's a lie. They have no evidence for it. And yet they'll say that because they'll have to throw crud, see if it sticks on the wall. That's what they are.

And that's what's going on. Those people get into office, do you think they're going to be people of integrity? Do you think that's going to happen? Obviously not.

No way. See, that's the problem with me being a president, me being the president, is some weird, miraculous thing happened in the science fiction universe. But I would just gather people around me who are people of integrity and intelligence, and I'd say we're going to study the Constitution together and we're going to stick with it.

And I would get lawyers and say this is what we're going to do. We're going to get rid of waste. We're going to get rid of bad politicians. We're going to gut the FBI and the CIA from all the false people in there, and we're going to get rid of a lot of the crap in the IRS and set people free to be able to do what they want to do in their own homes and not have the government come in and say what should and shouldn't be done.

And then I would also, this is what needs to be done. This is one thing that people don't get. They need to promote religion, not the establishing a church but the promotion of religion because religion works in the heart and it governs the heart instead of having to have so many laws.

I saw a magazine article once or a cover. It had the Ten Commandments, and underneath it, it had, I forgot the number but I'll make it up, 857,281 laws to enforce this, the Ten Commandments. And it was brilliant. You see, if God is in our hearts, things are better. And what they're doing is getting rid of God and then making more laws, and everyone does what's right in their own eyes, and then everything falls apart.

This country is in bad shape. Anyway, I'm preaching. All right, buddy, we're out of there. God bless.

People in the chat love you. All right. Okay, God bless. God bless.

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