Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at com.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Welcome to the show.

It's me, Matt Slick. I'm going to say thank you for listening. Now, yesterday I was out because I did a big trip to Utah and help a friend out.

And it's kind of unexpected, but it did it. Audio's not working. Is it working, Charlie? On this end? No. Okay. I don't know what's going on.

I don't have to work on it. Oh, I know what I got to do. Wait, no, I already did that. It should all work. Everything should be working.

Don't know what's going on. I'll work on it later. All right. So anyway, did this trip and then Luke was supposed to, Luke's working. Okay, good.

So Luke was supposed to take over the show and he told me that he had all kinds of technical difficulties. And so, you know, okay, when that happens. So I'm back in the studio after a long day of driving like 10 or 11 hours, 12 hours up and back and doing stuff and having to help out.

All right. So we went to a bank. We had to go to a bank down there.

Long story short, we had to go to a bank. And so my friend is taking care of business and I'm sitting here and we're talking a little bit of this, a little bit of that. And then this guy comes up afterward and he goes, Hey, are you Matt Slick? And he heard my voice and he recognized my voice. And so, wait, wait, hold on. I'm going to check my audio. I'll be checking it again here a sec.

And so I just want to give a shout out, Jim Hagmeyer. Now I hope I got the name right. I really, really do hope I got it right because that'd be bad if I didn't. So I wrote it down right away. I wrote it down right away and hopefully I got everything right and that's that.

So there you go. And, uh, everything should be working. Now, you know, I can't see anything wrong with the, let me try that.

See if that helps anyone adjustment for people. Don't know if that's any better on the video they're watching. Anyway, Jim, it was nice meeting you and you said you were talking to your wife and you said to your wife, Hey, I think it's Matt Slick there. And she suggested that you say hi and I'm glad you did. And so a shout out to Jim Hagmeyer and hope I got the name right. I really do hope I, uh, I got it right. I mean, right there you go. If you want to give me a call to open lines, eight, seven, seven, two, zero, seven, two, two, seven, six.

Oh, all right. Let's just get on the air with, let's try this. Anthony from Virginia. Anthony, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. I was wondering, um, did Jesus ever define safe saving faith as simply trusting in his salvific work on the cross or people emitting their centers in need of a savior? No, not in that sense, because he hadn't yet died when he talked about stuff in John 14, one, he says, believe in God, believe also in me. So he is equating his, the issue of belief and trust in God with himself. So he is in that roundabout way saying that in John three 16, the gospel of the world that gave his only begotten son, whoever believed in him would not perish, but everlasting life. So he's prophesying of the gospel message at that point that way. So there is, uh, there there's, there's that there.

Okay. But he doesn't ever clearly during his early ministry, you just say that, you know, trusting in his salvific work is what saved the person. Um, I'm trying to think of a verse that specifically says, uh, save a person. And I don't know if anything like that is, is in there. And so I'm just curious if there is anything and there's another versus the back of my head and I was thinking about, and I can't remember it.

Um, I was hoping it would come to front. Well, did, did, uh, did Jesus ever make any statements suggesting that people who attempt to attain salvation by following his commandments or the law or heretic or adding works of salvation? No, he said to the, uh, to the rich, uh, you're a ruler guy. He said, who asked him what good thing must I do to be saved? And he said, follow the law because the man wanted to know what to do. He wasn't trusting in Christ or God at that point. He's trusting in himself. And Jesus was answering him according to his own self-righteousness, which is often the case when you construct God in your own image and mind, he'll work with you and let you have what it is you want, but if you're going to trust in the true God and put all your faith and hope in Christ, you'll be okay.

And this is why that man, uh, failed because he couldn't do all that was necessarily required of the law. And Jesus pointed it out. Okay. Right. But I'm just, sometimes I hear people say that when, when people claim that salvation is, is basically merited through, uh, following the commandments or trying to follow the law, that's heresy, but I don't see, did Jesus ever condemn these people as adding works to his salvific, uh, action? Yes.

Yes. In Matthew 7, 22 and 23, many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, do we not prophesy in your name, cast out, damage your name, perform any miracles and I'll say to them, I never knew you get away from me. You workers of iniquity. So on the day of judgment for salvation, the people were appealing to their own works and Jesus condemned them.

Right. But right before that, he says only those who do, do the will of the father are, are granted entrance in the heavens. So it just appears to me that these people aren't doing the will of God. What is the will of the father?

To follow what Jesus taught about obeying the law of the commandments. Show me a verse. Well, you, you, you rec, you realize Jesus Jesus will excuse me, Anthony, Anthony, Anthony, show me the scripture. I, you, you asked me, where does it say? I'm giving you verse after verse after verse. You make a statement. I asked for the verse and you ignore it and you go into something else. So don't do that.

All right. Well, give me the bride and Matt in Matthew five 18, Jesus says heaven and other shall pass away before the least part of the law passes away until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to the same, shall be called least in heaven. So whoever keeps them and teaches others to them will be called great in heaven.

So he clearly equating, uh, status in heaven with the law, which shall not pass away until the earth and the heaven will pass away. Here's a question. Here's a question.

Here's, here's the question. Where's it say you're saved by doing those commandments in those, in that prick of me, uh, it says right there. Well, I mean, if you're, if yeah, because it says, it says you're right. You're right. Hold on, Anthony. It doesn't say that you're saved by doing the commandments. It just says the law will not pass away, which means all that's prophesied about Christ and everything in what Christ has said will be accomplished.

It's not going to fail. No, I think he was talking about the, the tension. Anthony, Anthony, you need to let me finish. Okay. All right. Come on. Because you're not listening.

You're not hearing. You have an agenda of a false gospel. What church do you go to?

Where did Jesus say I'm teaching? What church do you go to? What church do you go to? I don't go to any church.

You don't go any church. Is Jesus Christ God in flesh? Uh, I don't know. Is Jesus God in flesh? You don't know.

Is a Trinity one God in three distinct, simultaneous, co-eternal persons? Uh, that doesn't appear to me. No. And is justification by faith alone? Where I'm asking you Jesus teaches that and you haven't shown me where he does. Okay. I asked you is justification.

You is justification by faith alone. I don't know. I'm trying to find out where does, where does Jesus teach that? Oh, you want me to show you where he teaches it? Yeah. Where does he show that if I show you, will you repent and believe? If I show you where Jesus teaches justification by faith without works. If I show it to you, will you believe it? Yeah.

Yeah. If you, if you can prove it to me, everybody, everybody's heard you say it. Let's see if you're a man of your word. Luke 18, nine, and he also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and views others with contempt. Two men went up into the temple to pray one, a Pharisee and the other tax collector. The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself, God, I thank you, but I'm not like other people, swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.

I fast twice a week. I pay tithes of all that I get. But notice Jesus, this is what Jesus is teaching this man, this Pharisee is a righteous man. He believes in God. Look at all the great things he's doing.

Okay. He's humble. He's, Hey, I pay tithes, I fast. I'm not a swindler.

I do all this cooking. Jesus goes on, but the tax collector standing some distance away was even unwilling to lift up his eyes to heaven, but was beating his breasts saying, God be merciful to me, the sinner. And Jesus says, I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other. So the Pharisee who had faith and works is condemned. And the one who just confessed by faith and trusted is the one who's justified.

There you go. Luke 18, nine through 14, are you now going to repent and believe the truth? No, because I've seen, I've heard this argument before and it seems what's happening to me is that the tax collector has humbled himself before God and repented of, yeah, okay. So did the tax collector do any good works? Does it lead any list of good works there? No, it doesn't.

Okay. So then there's no works listed. It's just his faith in God, his trust in his hope in God, and he's justified. Now, are you going to repent? Well, I think that the tax collector has repented is the point. You have to repent of your sins, which seems like he's doing it's an attitude. Did he do any good work?

Did he do any good works? No, I don't think, I don't think people are justified by their works. So physically, I think they're justified by returning Anthony Anthony that an atheist who repents can be justified.

A Mormon who repents can be justified and they believe in false things. So I'm showing you from scripture. You're denying the scriptures. You're also denying who Christ is.

And Jesus is God in flesh. You're denying that. And so, okay. Don't you want to set up a formal, if you want to set up a formal debate with me, I'll debate you on that. Wow.

And so, uh, the debate would last about two minutes after I showed. All right. Well, let's do it. Let's do it then. All right. Let's debate it, Matt.

Does, do we have to believe Jesus is God to be saved? I'll do it. Okay. Uh, right now, you ready? Jesus says, unless you believe that I am, you'll die in your sins.

Show me 24. Do you believe I am? Let's set up the debate then.

Right now, where do you want to do it or not? Right now. Do you believe he's the, I am, I want, I want a formal debate, equal time responses. Will you debate me right now?

I'm asking you on this topic for everybody. Do you affirm or do you deny that Jesus is the, I am? He says, unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins. Do you affirm or deny it? I deny that's what he's claiming. Okay.

All right. So you just lost. So I just read you the verse and it's quote from him. And then you say, you deny what he's, what he's claiming there.

And he said, he said, unless you believe that I am, you'll die in your sins. And you're denying what he said. Do you want to formally debate me on this with equal time responses? Goodbye.

If you can't even answer that question right there and he wants to have a formal debate, it's a waste of time. Sorry. All right. Let's get to, let's see, Paul from North Carolina. Paul, welcome. You're on the air. How's it going, Matt?

Yeah, I'm doing okay. Just dealing with obstreperous, ignorant people who don't want to believe the truth of God's word and then arrogantly trying to challenge me when they can't even answer a big basic question. Yeah, I think the perfect response for him would have been the people on the cross, no word, no repentance. He just believed and Jesus said, today you'll be with me in paradise. He would have said, the common response with that is, oh, that he had to repent. He had to repent as though the repentance is what makes him right before God. And that is the problem because repentance is compliant with the law. If you're lying and you stop lying, the Bible says, don't lie.

So you're complying with the law and your repentance, or you're saved by your works. So yeah, it's just, and then I get people challenging me all the time. We've actually got something I'm going to release here this week for people who want to debate me.

They have to go through a forum on CARM and have to answer the questions on CARM. I'm not going to bother. And when any willy-nilly guy comes up and goes, oh, did you beat you? You just answer this question to see if you can do this. And he could even answer the question. You know, we're done. He's not even believe what Jesus said. He wants to debate. It's called arrogance. All right, buddy.

What do you got? Uh, a guy I was stationed with, uh, he's definitely kind of along the lines of a freakin' caller. Um, and he said that God loved and not unconditional to people that do not choose, you know, or follow, you know, Cause you're, you're breaking up and we've got a break. I want you to get a better, better place to talk cause you're breaking up really bad. We'll talk about this. Okay.

Three open lines. If you want to give, uh, give me a call, 877-207-2276 be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking a call at 877-207-2276 is Matt Slick right away. And welcome back to the show. Hey, it's, I want to let you know that we stay on the air by your support. Please consider supporting us. All you have to do is go to calm.org. C a r m dot O R G on the right hand side.

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I have a buddy. He's like a previous color and he was saying that God's love is not unconditional because those who don't choose him go to hell. Wait, it's not unconditional because we choose and they don't go to what it does. It's confusing to me. Say it again.

What was it again? He said that God's love, he said that God's love is not unconditional, just the people who do the same thing. He said that God's love is not unconditional, just the people who do the same thing, just the people who do not choose to follow him, accept him as boarders, they go to hell. Well, yeah, God's love is not unconditional. Uh, it's conditioned.

It says there's different ways. You can understand this that the love of God in one sense is not conditioned on anything in Matthew five, 42 to 48. He's, uh, that's the rain and the sunshine and the good and the bad in this. And, uh, he's talking about loving your neighbors and how God is.

And so in a general sense, God loves everyone and that's unconditional in a salvific sense, his loving, his saving love that is conditioned and is conditioned on the work of Christ and faith in Christ. Okay. Right. That's what I was trying to tell him that he's not getting the picture. Yeah.

It just tell him, because you know, love is used in different ways and different contexts. And so in some sense, it is love of God is for the unbeliever and the atheist as well, uh, for the baby, uh, abortion killers and, uh, baby killer, you know, and the, the pro homosexuals and, uh, the people who are doing other things that are ungodly and against down doctrine and teaching, uh, God loves them in the sense that he lets them breathe and have air and, uh, he's kind to them and merciful to them and we're to be the same way with them to be kind and merciful as well, but, uh, in a salve, salvific love, no, they don't possess that and they do possess and we'll have the, uh, wrath of God abide on them as a Romans three, 16, 17 talks about 18. Okay. All right. I appreciate it. All right, man. God bless buddy. All right.

Sure. Hey folks, if you want to give me a call for open lines, eight, seven, seven, uh, two, man, eight, seven, seven, two, zero, seven, two, two, seven, six. We're having audio problems. I was reading something while I'm talking, trying to multitask.

And sometimes it doesn't work very well. If you want to give me a call for open lines, let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania and welcome you're on the air. Hey man, how are you doing today? What a day. There's a lot, a lot going on in your rate.

So, so what do you got buddy? Yeah. Um, uh, I remember, uh, I watched one of your, uh, debates. I think it was against because I played bait and, and Unitarian and a Muslim before, and, and both of them, you had said that, uh, uh, the scripture say that the greatest act of love is putting your life down for the people that you love and you say that they don't believe that, that, uh, Jesus has got his flesh. And that means that they're, they're a Unitarian God is outdone by a creature. And so I was, I was thinking of, you know, you know, if I were to say that to, you know, a Unitarian or a Muslim, uh, how would they respond to me? And, uh, and I thought about, you know, you know, a possible response that they might say to me, and I want to know how, how would you respond to this? How would you respond to this? And I know, and I know this might sound, uh, blasphemous, but I'm not, I'm not trying to sound blasphemous, but it might sound blasphemous.

Okay. So, uh, since Jesus, uh, died on the cross for the sins of the world, he died in flesh and the father and the Holy Spirit didn't do that, uh, does this mean that the father and the Holy Spirit were outdone by the second person of the trinity? Yeah, that the problem with that is they don't understand the doctrine of the trinity and God being one, one essence, one thing is called divine simplicity. And that the manifestation of God is in three distinct simultaneous persons. And so, uh, the unity inside of the Trinitarian communion cannot be broken. And the essence cannot be broken. So there's a real sense in what is experienced by one is experienced by all, uh, because of the doctrine of perichoresis, where each individual person or each person interdwells the other. So, uh, um, when, when we say that the greatest act of love is lay one's life down for his friend, then we can say that God is the one who did that on the cross. In the pro, in the proximate sense, because he is the one in Christ and Jesus is God.

The word, uh, which was with God, yet was God made flesh and dwelt among us. And so, uh, the problem there is, uh, the Muslims often don't understand what they're criticizing and this is something I say to them a lot. When I talk to them, uh, they will, uh, they'll complain and I will tell them, I said, look, you don't understand what you're criticizing. You don't understand what you're criticizing, you know, I'll be good. And I do this a lot with atheists and I do it with Muslims and I'll say, here, you've got someone who's trained who's been defending this for a long time and who can teach it, and I'm just telling you that I would be willing to work with you and teach you what we actually believe and not what you think it is.

Are you interested? I've never had a single, single atheist or Muslim to ever take me up on it. They don't want to know. They're not interested in knowing this is how the universal, uh, thing has been. So you're going to just find that that's the case. So anyway, when you, uh, when you talk about that and you deal with that with them, that's what's going to happen.

But that's the answer deals with the issue that called divine simplicity, pericoresis need to study those. Okay. Okay.

Makes sense. Can I ask one more question? You just did ask another.

Okay. Um, yeah, my other question was, was about the houses Eli, uh, I'm not, I'm not, as you know, I don't, I don't know that much about, you know, the Old Testament. So I was wondering is the house, what was the house of Eli part of the 12 tribes of Israel, because I know, I know that you, you know, you quoted first Samuel three, 14 of before about them, you know, not having to send, uh, forgiven forever, so I was just curious about that.

Yeah, yeah. If I understand you as a, because he's Israelite, you know, and he's going through, uh, toning work and sacrificial works, which is, he's part of that. And then, you know, as it says in the first Samuel three, 14, God says, I've sworn to the house of, uh, to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever. So that means Jesus could not have toned for them.

So, yeah. So does that mean that, uh, does that mean like the house of Eli, uh, uh, basically was, I guess kicked out of the 12 tribes? No, it doesn't say that. It just says the house of Eli sins won't be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.

That's what it says. And I don't know if he was kicked out because I haven't read the whole context in a long time, but that's what it says. Now here's a question that we've related to that. Does that mean all of his descendants?

Well, no, I'm talking about those who had committed the sin right there in that house. All right, buddy. Oh, yep. All right, man. Thank you. All right, man.

God bless. Hey, we got, I'm messing up today. We have four open lines. If you want to give me a call, eight, seven, seven, two, zero, seven, two, two, seven, six, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live taking a call at eight, seven, seven, two, zero, seven, two, two, seven, six.

Here's Matt Slick. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air here. Let's find Chuck from North Carolina.

Chuck. Welcome. You're on the air. Hello, Matt, praise the, praise the Lord for your ministry. I just want to say that the way you dealt with the first caller was wonderful. You gave a great presentation of the gospel to him and he refused. Not yours. And you did a good job and the Lord is pleased with you.

Well, thank you. I have met many and encountered many, many people like that where I was testing him to see if he would just believe what the scripture says. He does it. And then he wants to arrogantly challenge it, which tells me I read him something from the scripture. He doesn't care.

It's only his belief. It's like, go away. You know, go away. I'm just done.

I just don't need that. So that's all right. It's his own wicked heart. And if he doesn't, if he's listening, if he doesn't repent and believe, trust the Lord, he's going to burn in hell forever. I just want to let him know that.

That's right. And I told him, I said, Hey, would you just, I quoted Jesus and he said, didn't believe what Jesus said there. What, what, what does he want to believe? Yeah. What did he want to believe?

Did he want it? Yep. Sure.

Well, I could see where it was going. You're right. Yeah. I think I get tired of stuff. I do. I get tired of people like that.

Anyway, let's go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but I am the caller who called you a couple of weeks ago. I can't read very good anymore.

No, and, and that good, I was the one that you were talking about. Well, what a boil down to was a Calvinist and non Calvinist. I'm not a Calvinist and I, what did I say? I just, I didn't believe in Calvinism and you said call back and I should have. I'm afraid that we can, but it's all right.

So what's your question? I don't debate your honor. That's all right. My question is more of a safe is that I don't know how to do it, but I like to debate you that well with it because like fifth Philippians three, I mean, one 29 act three 16, I can't answer those questions.

And it's not, but I don't have a rotten heart towards it. I, I just can't answer them good. And, but I believe the overall balance of scripture says who, so ever will make them. And yeah, I agree. Whoever will come. Right. Whoever will, that's right. I totally agree with that.

Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just, I, I couldn't debate with it good with it. And I definitely don't want to break fellowship with you over that I don't want to get some fight or something.

I don't want to do that. And I am going to, so what's, so do you have a question though? No, do you have a question though? Well, no other questions. I guess I wanted to just give you a shout out.

Give you a shout out on the way to handle the first caller. Well, I'm trying to be patient with them, but we all need our, we all need encouragement, right? Yes. Yes. Oh boy, boy.

Do I need encouragement? You did great. You have a great ministry, Matt, praise the Lord for it. Praise the Lord.

Well, praise God, you know, he gets, he gets the glory. We're taking a, yes, he does. He works that all out. He works, yeah, he works through you answering that person.

So it's all of him, we're just vessels, willing vessels, willing vessels. Okay. Okay, Matt, I'll let you down.

Another important color on the line for you. Okay. Probably not as important as you, but that's all right.

We'll get to him. Okay, brother. All right, we'll see you later, Matt. All right. Bye. Bye.

All right. Three open lines. 877-207-2276. Well, now we have four open lines. 877-207-2276. Let's get to Rudolf from Raleigh, North Carolina.

Welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. Did Mother Teresa ever renounce Cuthouse?

Mother Teresa? I don't think so. Nothing I'm aware of. Okay. Okay, all right.

Well, thank you. I didn't know. Well, if she didn't, let me ask you a question.

Here's a question. If she did not, is she in heaven or hell when she died? If she didn't denounce or let go of Cuthouse, she can't be in heaven because they don't believe correct her. So I don't think she, I mean, I don't.

I don't either. Is that right? Yeah. That's what you think. That's right. That's what you think. Is it correct? No, no, no, no, no.

Hold on. I said, he said, that's what you think. He said, is that right? Yeah, it is what you think.

I also agree with you. I don't believe she's in heaven either. If she died believing Catholicism, she's in hell.

Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, yeah. I mean, she did a lot of good things on a human level, but that's not the issue. The issue is, was she saved, you know, did she trust in Christ and him alone? And I just don't believe she did if she, because official Roman Catholic theology is, is, I don't know what's the right word. It's damnable.

Well, it teaches false, a false gospel. So, you know, we just don't, yeah, yes, sir. Well, thank you. I knew if anybody would know you would, but thank you. God bless God. All right. Well, God bless. Hey folks, we have five open lines. Nobody waiting.

If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. And what I said about Mother Teresa might've shocked a lot of people. It's not because I'm trying to be shocking or mean or anything. I mean, people look at her, a frail little old lady doing all these great things and sacrificing. How could she not go to heaven? Well, whether or not someone does good or bad doesn't get that person to heaven. The only way to be forgiven of your sins is through faith in Jesus Christ.

Faith and trust in what he did alone and not adding anything to it. And fortunately, the Roman Catholic church teaches heresy in paragraph 18, 21. It says in every circumstance, each one of us should hope with the grace of God to persevere to the end and to obtain the joy of heaven as God's eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ. So, heaven is a reward for your good works that you accomplish with the grace of Christ. So, in other words, good works get you to heaven. And it's a false teaching. And fortunately, it's just a very false teaching.

And let's see. It also says, paragraph 8, 16, for it is through Christ's Catholic church alone. Which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained through the Catholic church alone. Well, why not just go to Jesus? I don't understand this.

How could anybody teach that? It's only through our church that salvation, the fullness of salvation, can be obtained. Well, Jesus says, come to me, all who are heavy laden, and I'll give you rest.

He says, come to me. And that's, in Matthew 11, 27, Luke 10, 22, just read, you know, 27, 28, read the verses. Jesus says, come to him and trust in him. Believe in God, believe also in me. The questions I ask him, is your faith and trust in what Jesus did in the cross sufficient to save you, to forgive you of your sins?

Simple. But the Roman Catholic church denies that. It says in paragraph 2068, that's right. It says that you obtain salvation through faith, baptism, and the observance of the commandments.

It's just ridiculous. And so, you know, it's teach, I'm sorry, but it's just teaching a false gospel. And yes, I am condemning the entire Roman Catholic church as being apostate and false. And teaching a false gospel and leading millions to damnation.

Yeah, I am teaching that because that's what I believe. I don't say it casually. I don't say it happily. I don't say it with joy. It's sad.

It is sad. Check this out in paragraph 2036 of the Catechism. The specific precepts of the natural law, because their observance demanded by the creator is necessary for salvation. The natural law, the precepts of the natural law is necessary for salvation. The Ten Commandments in paragraph 2070 contain a privileged expression of the natural law. So paragraph 2036 says that the keeping of the natural law commandments is necessary for salvation. Those commandments are expressed in the Ten Commandments.

Paragraph 2070 says that. So the Catholic church is teaching salvation by faith and works and therefore teaches a false gospel and therefore all who believe in its false gospel are eternally damned. Mother Teresa or anybody, faith in Christ is enough. Look, if anybody points you to something other than Jesus, don't believe them. To their church, their prophet, their restoration, don't believe them.

Trust Jesus, okay. We'll be right back after these three, I mean, after these messages, three open lines, 877-207-2276. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

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We do need that. We stay on the air by your support, so just giving you a heads up. Thank you. Hey, let's get to Vincent. Mr. Carolina Vincent, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. How are you?

Just eating Matt. Oh, man, I'll tell you, I got a lot of stuff, a lot of stuff going on, right, for obstreperous callers and everything to do. Well, God is able. God is able.

Yes, he is. We struggle. Praise God. God is able. My question was about ministering to family. They know your shortcomings and all your pikadillies, so it seems harder for them to hear you, to hear me. I try to live a godly life. Of course, I fall all over myself, but I still love the Lord, and I know him, and I hear him. It was a while where I didn't hear him for a minute because I was sinning, but now I'm pulling away. The more I read, the further away from the sin I get, and I'm getting more and more sensitive to the sins of my family members.

I'm not judging them, I'm not condemning them, but I'm trying to persuade them that the time is nighter. We don't have a lot of time to get things together, even if we have years before he comes back, we still don't have a lot of time because we could die today. But I'm trying to, my fiancé and I have to adopt the kids, well, we haven't adopted them yet, but we're working on getting things legal and get married and adopt the children, get out of the adulterous, sinful realm that we're in, but we've been living together for quite some time. Let me tell you right now, if you want to serve God, you want to do what's right before him, you get out. You don't live in sin.

If you want to honor him first, you do what you've got to do quickly, and you say, hey, hon, love you, we're not doing this anymore, you need to be a godly Christian man. Is she a Christian? She is, but she's... All right. She's hard to tell.

Hard to tell. Well, let's just say you need to have a big sit down with her and just tell her how it is that you're going to honor God before you honor her, and by honoring God, you can honor her, but he has to come first, and that you're moving out, or whatever the situation is. Stay with whoever you've got to do couch surfing if you have to until you guys get married, you need to go to church, you need to have the counseling with the pastor and things like that. You've got to do this right. If you're willing to take from her what doesn't belong to you before you're married, why should she trust you after you're married, if you claim to be a Christian? I understood, I understood. It's just hard truth, and I'm not pointing fingers at you, because... Oh no, I don't mind. I'm just telling you, I want men to be men, I want men to be godly men, and hey, we screw up, that's, that's, nope, I mean, I got it, okay, you and I can sit down together and we can... Oh, you think that's the badness of this?

We can do that for a couple hours. But the issue is, those things that are within our direct control, by which we have the ability to repent, to elevate our spouses, our wives, our female friends, to be wives, whatever, we need to honor them in such a way that they see the character of God in you before they ever say I do. That has to happen, and you've got to demonstrate to her, all right, even if it's hard on you.

That's a man of character, so be a man of character by following Jesus first, and do as necessary. All right, buddy? Go make me come out there and talk to you. Hey, come on, brother. Don't talk to you, put my finger at you, if you don't, I mean, yeah. I don't mind, I don't mind, I need that in my life, I need some strict men, some men to be men.

Men, exactly, men need men, not man be pam, be trans, whatever, you know, guys with pink hair that walk around sauntering, yeah, men. No, go ahead. I can't do that.

That's me, either. Yeah, but I had one more thing I wanted to say, I've been listening to your show for quite some time, I love that you're straightforward, you're brutally honest, that's the only way I see things that should be. But I was wondering, sometimes people get under your skin, I get that. I was reading the scripture where it said we are to, if we find a man in fault, we are to, hold on, it's in Galatians chapter 6, I believe it is, where you, I don't want to be wrong.

6-1, if he was caught in a trespass, you were spiritual, restore him in gentleness, right? And sometimes it sounds like you get a little harsh. Yes, sometimes I do.

Yeah, but it's alright. No, hey, it's okay, it's okay if you say it, because I work on it, I'm always working on trying to be as gentle, but you know what, it's not easy, because I'll tell you, a lot of people don't know this, but I've had death threats, I've been swatted, we've had lawsuits that's going on, my wife's health is in really bad shape. The ministry, let's just say, is straining in this economy, there's a lot of pressure on me, and then I call, get calls sometimes, and just to be honest, hey, you know, I try to be patient. Now most people say I'm pretty patient, but every now and then, you get an extra person to control it, but I just wanted to let you know what I'm praying for you, because you are an assessor on this planet, God knows what he's doing, he puts Matt Slick right where he needs to be, and I appreciate it, because you took the place of Hank the Hancer Man, I think his name was, back in the day, with all the docs, but I'm praying for him too, that he comes to his senses.

He was on the right path, but just because he's strayed, it doesn't make him any less out brother, he just went the wrong way, and I'm praying that he's a prodigal son comes home. Yeah, yeah, I have been too. But I'm just praying for you all, and I'm hoping that you guys can pray for me now that you know me, because I really want you to listen. This satanic world that we live in is not playing, and I'm not either. I'm tired of playing games, I'm ready to get down with it, because it's going to hurt, but it's alright, because I don't mind giving my life, as long as if I could just leave one person to Christ, it's worth my life, that's how I feel. Amen, well that's a good attitude.

I used to say that the whole time when I was younger, even if it's just one, if that's the God, it's all worth it, of course it's all worth it without that, because we're serving God, but yeah, I get you. Amen, brother. I'm so anxious. I'm so anxious.

I mean, see, I don't be anxious for anything, but I can't help it. I see the glory of God come, and I see that heavenly realm, the angels, Peter, Moses, all of the patriarchs of the past, and I see us all coming together, billions and billions of people shouting and screaming, praying to God, and it's overwhelming to know this, and then look around you, when you come all for that high, and you look around you, and you see this mess that we live in, and to know that I partake in that mess, it's a miracle. I'll put it that way, it's a miracle, that anything is right.

It's a miracle. Alright, brother, well we've got callers waiting, but hey, you pay for us? Yeah, well good evening. You can pray for me too. Okay, man, you too, couplets. Okay.

Amen. Alright. Alright, let's get to Ken from Wake Forest. Ken, welcome.

You're on the air. Well, thank you. I want to say I respect what you're saying, it takes a lot of courage, but can you hear me? Yes.

Okay, I'm getting a lot of feedback on the phone. So the Catholic thing he said, now I've known a lot of Catholics, and I understand the flaws in everything like that, but all of them don't believe exactly what you said, I mean everything about the faith, it's a religion, they were raised in the Catholic Church, they don't know anything else basically, but a lot of them do believe in Jesus. So when you say that if you go to church, we're in the Catholic, I mean, don't you think we're better off?

Hold on, hold on, you've got to hear me out. If they believe official Roman Catholic theology regarding salvation, they can't be saved. That's what I say.

Official. That's not to say there aren't Christians who are actually Catholic. You should really specify that, because I mean, don't you think we're better off? We're better off for them to be around, I mean, they do a lot of great things. I've known a lot of Catholics. Okay, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on Ken, I'm just going to say this, official Roman Catholic theology regarding salvation is anti-Christ. That's it. Anybody believes official Roman Catholic theology is going to hell when they die, because it's a false gospel.

That's it. Well, I'm glad you clarified that for me. I'm glad you clarified that for me, because that's not what I actually heard.

I misheard you, I misinterpreted what you were saying. There's a lot of, you know, there's some Muslims, I'm sure, believe in Jesus, but they can't say it. No, they don't. Well, they can't say it. They can't say it. They're Muslim. They think you will probably. Okay, you can, Ken.

Then they wouldn't be Muslim. All right. Okay.

Well, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, recall, we're going to move along.

We've got about three minutes left. Okay. All right, man. Appreciate it. Okay. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Tommy from Utah. Hey, Tommy.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how are you doing, Matt? Oh, I'm doing. What do you got, man? I know.

I, I'm just one of your biggest fans. I use your resources, always, and the, the whole thing about salvation and, I, I, I was born and raised LES and I thought I need to say about that, but I just talked to our Sunday school through the book of Galatians and it's really plain in chapter five, verse four. Any word that you add to Christ equals damnation period. There's no other way to look at it. You can't, you can't, you can't rectify it. You can't justify it. You can't make it better by saying something different. Amen.

Galatians five, one through one through four is what I go through when I talk about that very issue. So you nailed it, man. You nailed it. Good job. Yeah. It's a, and, and the fact that to me, I stopped, I'm going to say debating LDS people because I try to talk to them and all ends up being as a debate and then it ends up just being an argument and then nobody wins an argument. And so it only comes down to one thing and one thing alone, which your first caller was really out of bounds with is that if you do not know that Jesus is God and always has been God, you cannot be saved.

Amen, brother. That's right. I deny that. I just called it. I just, I do.

Yeah. Go ahead. So I was just trying to, I was just calling to give you a little pep talk thing and telling you, you just, you just do a wonderful job. I love listening to you. I learned so much and like I say, you website all the time, um, for my Sunday school class and it's been a blessing, so God bless you and thank you for what you do. And thanks for calling. Appreciate it. Keep up the good work, brother.

And there's the music. Oh, we're out of time. Thanks a lot, Tommy. All right. Hey, sorry about that. Bonnie from Greensboro, please call back tomorrow.

And Jay from Dallas. Sorry about that too. We're out of time. Please give me a call tomorrow. Hey, everybody. I hope you all have a great evening. I hope the Lord blesses you and by his grace, look back on your tomorrow and we'll talk to you then. Have a good one, everybody. We'll talk to you later. God bless. Bye. Thank you, and God bless.