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Yeah, we're always working on stuff. So there you go. Okay, now. So last night, I had a discussion online, tonight I teach a Bible study, but I had a discussion last night on the issue of atheism and two conversations were really good.

And a third one just, you know, not the rails. It was really interesting because this one atheist guy was talking to me and he was trying to prove the Christian God can't exist. And he was trying to do it by saying, could God have created a life form in any, like in using silicon or hydrogen, he said, is that a carbon? I said, well, I don't know. He said, well, God's omnipotent, right?

He can do anything. I said, no. And, you know, it went on. I started correcting him. You know, saying, well, that's not the Christian perspective. And he said, God's arbitrary. And I said, well, by definition, the Christian God is not arbitrary. And he would not accept that. It's really interesting because the conversation just derailed at this point, you know, and he called me a coward and he said, you're a coward, you're kidding. And so, so I wrote in a text that he was watching.

I said, well, do you want to meet behind the gym after school? You know, because it was just ridiculous. The immaturity that this guy was displaying as he's trying to work against God. And when I said, look, God does the Christian God is not arbitrary in any way, shape or form. And so therefore, if you say he's arbitrary, you're not arguing with about the Christian God. You're talking about something else. And he, he didn't care. He didn't care.

And it was just, you know, it was interesting. I don't know why people are so difficult. I don't know what it is with people that they do not want to hear the truth and they, they just don't care.

A lot of people are like that. It does not matter what you say. And that's, that's interesting because if you're not interested in truth, then you're interested in lies. If you want the truth, then you'll follow God. If you want lies, you'll follow Satan. Now it's a profound thing to say, but you've got to understand God knows all things and he cannot lie and he always speaks the truth. It is Satan who spoke lies and those who seek lies and use lies are following Satan. Now they're not doing it in a direct and deliberate sense, but they are doing that nonetheless.

They don't realize it, but that is the case. It's unfortunate that that is what's happening and they don't want the truth because truth is really an interesting thing. Truth is, as some people say, you know, truth is what a statement that corresponds with reality. Well, okay, I like to say truth is that which corresponds to the mind of God because God has to be the standard of what truth is.

Not us. And if you want truth, you just go to scripture, you read the Bible, you need to believe in who Jesus Christ is. That's what I believe. That's what I want to teach. Anyway, look, we have five open lines. If you want to give me a call, eight, seven, seven, two, zero, seven, two, two, seven, six. I want to hear from you.

So give me a call. And I do want to tell you that we stay on the air by your support. As we all know, the economy is becoming less stable. Inflation is definitely here, even though the Biden crime family is saying it's not a little bit of inflation. And what was a phrase they would use to hiccup or something? They would have this phrase, all the liberal news media outlets would say the same thing. I forgot what the phrase was. Anyway, it was just demonstrating that they listen to the same puppet master and say the same thing. You know, you can tell I don't have any respect for those who lie.

I don't. And when the news media, I don't care who it is, I listen to Tucker just so you know. And sometimes I'll say, Tucker, don't say it that way. It's not the right way to say it. I'll say it out loud.

My wife's there. That's not logically necessary. It's not logically true. And I think that even Tucker Carlson, he needs to tighten up his logic in certain things he says.

So I'm not just saying there's only one side that's bad or good. But we do need to seek to have truth because that's what we are to represent. What if you were a reporter and your boss said, we want you to write it this way and you couldn't because it's not true. What would you do? You'd probably end up getting fired because what they want is people who will bend the truth and not have the truth because they want to have agendas and this is how wicked people get into power because people of integrity don't want to do what the bad guys want to do.

And it's one of the ways they gain that power. Anyway, give me a call, four open lines, 877-207-2276. Tonight, I will be teaching a Bible study. Now, I'm just going to give you a heads up for those of you who are going to follow, watch the Bible study tonight.

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Elijah, welcome, you're on the air. My question today is about the rapture. The other day I had called you and asked you about the rapture in Revelation 14 and Revelation 19 and what Donny says about it.

And I think you had misunderstood me, so Donny teaches that when scripture says that Jesus is going to come on a cloud in the Gospels and in Revelation, he said that that's a reference to the rapture while when scripture says that Jesus is coming back on the white horse, that's a reference to his second coming, him coming back with his holy angels and with other people who are raptured in heaven. So, my question is... No, that's a theory. That's a theory. He'll come back with them as if it was a seven-year tribulation period between the rapture and his return.

Yeah, that's a theory. Yeah, so my question is about that. So, what is the all-millennial view on that? So, like, in Revelation 14, what I've learned so far from watching Donny's studies on his post-trib views is that Revelation 14 is the rapture and then five chapters later in Revelation 19.

So, what is the second coming when Jesus comes back with the angels and with the saints? So, what is your thoughts on that and what does that all-millennial view on that? Well, not having studied Revelation for quite a while to build a put those together in those chapters, one of the things that comes to mind is the issue of whether or not the book of Revelation is chronological.

A lot of people say that it is, but not necessarily. Some have made the case and done very well to show that the book of Revelation is heptatic. What that means is it's seven views of the same thing and that it's a repetition and there are people who study this and have said it's the same thing occurring at different times.

That's one point. Second, the book of Revelation is very symbolic and if someone's going to say that the book of Revelation is chronological and necessarily so, and they go to the symbolic place to establish the pre-trib rapture idea, they're just all ready to begin with on shaky ground. Not that the word of God is shaky, but there are other areas of scripture which are far more clear.

And so, to make a case out of a very symbolic book about that I think is not as solid an approach as looking at the rapture and verses in varying verses in the scripture that are very clear about things, much more clear. So I'm just saying those are some of the issues and without having looked at it in depth, I really can't comment beyond that. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. But here's the thing, is the rapture, let me read you something, okay? I'm going to read Matthew 24, I'm going to go there for a second, I'll show you something.

I'm going to read the first three verses. Jesus came out of the temple and was going away when his disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to him. And Jesus said, do you not see all these things?

I say to you, not one stone should be left upon another, which will not be torn down. As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately saying, tell us when will these things happen and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age? Notice what they said, the sign of your coming. It's a singular return of Christ because he's teaching them. So they've asked this specific question, what were the signs of his return and the end of the age? Now that the phrase end of the age is the thing that I see that a lot of students of eschatology just miss. And what's the end of the age? And the word here is sinteles, and for the end of the age and a culmination of completion of bringing together an intended purpose. So that's why they say the end of the age, when this has all come together. Well Jesus goes on and then in verse 31, this is the answer to this question, when is it going to come? He says, but immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be dark and the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sun of man will, or the sign of the sun of man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the sun of man coming in the clouds of the sky with power and great glory, and he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and he'll gather together his elect from the four winds.

So the return of Christ is when the elect are gathered, which happens after the tribulation of those days. So that's what Jesus taught. I'm surprised when people just, they go, no, it means something different. I don't get it.

I don't see how they can do that. And so, you know, I could go on a lot more about that, but that's what it says, Matthew 24. I recommend people read Matthew 24 and see what he says, see what Jesus says. Okay. Yeah. Do you have a little bit more time to know if he's talking about it?

We've got a minute or two. Yeah. Yeah. So I completely agree with that.

I just, you know, so far in my studies, I just believe that Matthew 24, 29 through 31 is a reference to Revelation 14 and not Revelation 19. Okay. But yeah. Well, maybe. I just haven't studied it that way, but hey buddy, there we go. All right.

So we'll get a break. Move along. All right.

Hey, God bless Elijah. Thanks for calling. Okay. Hey folks, if you want to give me a call for open lines, 877-207-2276.

Stay tuned and I'll upset you about some other stuff. Be right back. This is Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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Four open lines. Give me a call. Let's get to John from Raleigh, North Carolina. John, welcome. You are on the air. Hey, Matt. I've got a tough question to talk to you about, but I'd respect your opinion. Sure.

I want to throw it out and see what you think. I have a brother who was born a girl, and from day one, he's always said, she's always said, I'm a date. My parents would buy, you know, girl dolls and stuff, but there's a girl and a girl, you know. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. I'm a date. My parents would buy, you know, girl dolls and stuff, but there's a girl and a girl. No, I can't.

I'm not going to wear a dress. No, I'm not a girl. I'm a girl. Now, he's in his sixties. When he was in high school, he had that change. Now he is living as a male. They told my family that after a lot of psychological testing on him, now we have to say him.

I don't know kind of what to say, but anyway. They said if he did not have this surgery, he would commit suicide. And it just forced his whole family, and it still affects his family.

But my question is, now, will he be saved? He's still going to get a person, but he's living as a male. He's married a female who is a triple home born female, but he's very narcissistic, very arrogant. I wish I could have known that, but he's a straight kid, so he's done something. He says he's a good thing.

He's been pushing all our lives, you know, growing up in the place. But I'm just worried with the stuff that what he's done for his body, and you're putting him down there, there's no way to know what he's doing, but what is your feeling about the suicide? Yeah, that's a tough one. People can be saved in different degrees of sin. It doesn't mean it's okay to keep in that sin. And what do you do with someone who's gone through a surgery, and it's not reversible, and they are say they're a Christian.

There's definitely an inconsistency there. And so I don't want to just say, well, automatically they can't be saved. And what I want to say is they're very confused. Nothing has gone wrong, and God would have to work through that with them to bring them to a proper place of repentance. And the level of repentance that they would have would be difficult.

And the reason I'm saying this is because I have had family members who did not bear much fruit. Are you clicking, making sounds in the background there? I'm hearing stuff. Click. Oh, okay. That's okay. That's okay.

That's what I hear that I know. So I remember talking to a pastor who had married this one couple, and I said, I don't see much fruit, though I do see the confession. There is a little fruit, and I see the confession, they go to church, but there's not much repentance in some serious areas and character areas, foul language and condemnation and prejudice. So I said to the pastor, I said, I'm just not sure of their salvation. And that's when I heard this phrase, he said, God saves people in different levels of sin. And he was right. And so I've always thought about that over the years, that, yeah, that's true. And some people, and he went on and said, some people reach a higher level of sanctification than others.

And it's true. So what I try and do is meet with them in a level of compassion. Two years ago, we had a, one of my daughters, our daughters said she wanted to come up for Christmas, of course, you know, of course. But she had a trans friend who was going through a transition.

And he bring, right. And so I said, yeah, bring, bring, I think it was a girl moving to a guy, I said, yeah, bring her over. And I didn't, I did not, and my wife and I did not condemn, we did not mock, we did not judge. What we did was we showed her Christian love, and she didn't know what I did for a living. And it wasn't, but for a couple of months later that we had a conversation, I told her what I do, and she still felt welcome to come on over. And she hasn't been over for a while, and she and my daughter aren't really much friends that much anymore.

But you know, how friendship to come and go. And so we had to face this, this thing. Now what would happen if my own daughter were to go through a transition? We'd still love her, I'd still call her, her, because my conviction is that God has ordained the gender, and that's how it's to be.

Because for me to recognize that gender switch in contradiction to what God has ordained in the birth process would be for me a rebellion against God and a compromise, and I can't do that. And so. Well that was a big issue in the beginning, and like, you don't call me this name, this is my new name, you've got to call me this new name.

I have a sister, and all of a sudden I've got a brother, and I've got to call her what they say I've got to call her. And that's not right. And that's why we don't get along at all, he's very narcissistic, even today, so.

But I'm just worried about his salvation, though I cannot get along with him, I don't even say, wait a minute, no more than I have to, to see my mom who lives with him. Yeah, it's a difficult thing, because what they want us to do is participate in their rebellion against God. And they want us to judge that as being okay by calling, and you know, I've told a trans online that I meet every now and then, I said, I can't do that, you're asking me to violate my conscience, and I can't do that. So this is a tough situation, and then they call us bigots for not doing what you want, but then, oh, so we're the bigots, but they're not. They want us to be like what they are, and they don't show us compassion for saying, no, we can't do that, oh, you're the bigot automatically.

And a bigot, people don't know what it means, someone who is stubbornly unwilling to change his views, that's what they're doing. So the sword cuts both ways, and I say, look, if you want to force your view on me, it's not going to work. Do you want me to force my view on you?

Because if you can try, then I can try, can't I? And then their hypocrisy comes out, no, it's only my way or no, or the highway, but yeah, okay. Well, we're not going to get along, are we? Okay, bye.

Well, Matt, it's gotten so bad, I don't even associate with him anymore, but he's always been so opinionated and narcissistic, and it's all about him. And I love him as a sibling, I guess not brother or sister, I love him as a sister, I still say he's my sister, but, and I don't want the Lord to be against me if I just break off contact, but I just can't stand to be around him. I don't approve of this marriage, this life, I don't, it's not right, I love him as my blood relative, but I don't have such a wedding, and I'm not being ugly, but I just don't, I just, I do worry though, in the long, big picture of things, will he make it to heaven, and that's where I want your, you know, your feet, so that he doesn't take it to heaven. I would say that in a state of constant rebellion against God, that without repentance, I would say it's an evidence that the person is not regenerative, and not saved.

So if the person's claiming to be a Christian, well then how can you do that in rebellion against God, going against what he ordained? And then there's other issues, if you want to hold on, we can talk about this a little bit more, because what if someone says they're born that way? Let's talk about that in a little bit, okay? Hey folks, we'll be right back, four open lines, 877-207-2276, I want to hear from you, give me a call.

It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick, and welcome back to the show, we have four open lines, what you give me a call, 877-207-2276, let's get back on here with John, are you there? Yes sir. All right, so this is an important topic, in fact I'll actually be teaching on this kind of stuff tonight, in the Bible study, and I'm going through the last, I think verses 24 through 32, probably the whole thing tonight, because it's basically thematic, and talking about sexual deviations, oh I'm sorry? That's what it sounds like, Matt here's another side of it, here's another angle that I think of, if what if someone in his shoes, my brother or sister's shoes, all their life, something, I don't know what you call it, psychologically or physically, causes the person that says that they have no control, they have no choice of, I mean, I don't know what the answer is, but what if the truth is that these people who do this, I mean to be willing to go through that kind of torture to your body, to make those changes, must really feel a deep desire or not, I don't know what the word is, a deep feeling, but it's the only way they can survive is be it that way, is that logical to believe, or do you think it is just selfishness in what you want to know? Well, yeah, it's a tough one, because people can be traumatized from birth, having events that make it difficult for them to function in other areas, I was stuck in a tree during a windstorm for two hours, when I was like five or six, very high up, and to this day I'm afraid of heights, my wife, some things happen to her, she's claustrophobic, doesn't like enclosed places, and we both know that these things are irrational, we've been traumatized because of some past events, but the effect continues, so when I say this, people who say they're transgender, oh, you're just saying we're traumatized, maybe you are, I don't know in particular history, I can't judge all of them, some people will say no, I was born this way, well let's just say they were born this way, which I don't grant that it's the case, but let's just say that it was, so does it mean it's okay because that's how you feel, if I was born with a tendency to lie, does it make it okay for me to lie because I was born that way?

Well of course not. Well Matt, here's what he said, I don't know why the Lord would let me be born in the wrong body, that's what he's always said from day one, and he got old enough to understand himself, why am I born this way, why am I born in a man and a girl's body, he's judging God, he's judging God, you're judging God, you're saying God made a mistake in allowing you this situation, so now you are judging the almighty God and complaining against him, and you've taken matters into your own hand, the judgment of God is upon you for this, and this is it. Now what happens if this person comes to her, she's born a female right, comes to her senses later on, and then repents, well then what? She's immorally married to a woman, which is originally woman, this is so complicated, and then what are you going to do, you've got to break it off. The woman he married was a nurse when he had the surgery and met him through the surgery and knows everything about what happened, knows the whole story, and still, you know, he was on what you call a footprint girlfriend or whatever, and he ended up getting married.

So, it's just, and I'm sorry I had to get an interruption, I'm trying to grow into things that help you get a better understanding of what I'm trying to figure. It's a very difficult thing to work through, and it just is, it is, it's tough. I don't have all the answers, I do know that God will sort it out, I know that God is perfectly capable, and this ultimately is an issue between these trans people and their sin and God, and they're going to have to work it out, it's a problem, and I know that there are a lot of people who are hearing me say this, you call it sin, yeah I do, and they say well then you're a bigot and you're full of hate, am I? They're quick to attack, and they're quick to condemn, because the only morality that's allowed is their morality, where they redefine sexuality according to their personal preferences, and then they want us to back them up, and if we don't, then we're wrong.

Their arrogance is so profound that they can't see their own hypocrisy. Well Matt, in my room, would I be wrong, knowing all this stuff that's been going on for so many years, I mean this started when he was in high school, you know, 20 years ago or 30 years ago, he's in his 60s now, of course, I'm the oldest, but he's next in line in his 60s, would I be wrong to just love him, but just don't have any more contact with him, because I don't approve of the lifestyle, I don't understand it, I don't like it, and I don't want to be against the Lord, go against his will, I love him as my simply, but so shaped with him is just a real pleasure, am I wrong? Right, not in a way so important, no I don't think you're wrong, that's what I would do, if one of my daughters hypothetically married another woman, and they said dad I want you to come to the wedding, I said not coming, not going, I'm not going to go and support it, and lend public support to something like that, it's not going to happen, and I would say you and your friend are welcome to come over for dinner, you won't be sleeping together in our house, and things like that, you know, it's my house, you don't like it, that's how it is, I have my rules, they have theirs, my preferences, if they want to be respected they need to respect, and we need to draw the line someplace, and we have to stand up for righteousness, that's what we have to do as Christians. Yeah, well that's what I'm trying to do, I've wanted to call you for a long time, but I just had to get some nerve to just, you know, be able to explain this without just cracking up, I mean, I'm not totally destroyed, but I guess I am psychologically on that issue, I'm totally destroyed, over the trauma and the hurt that you put us through from the beginning, and it still affects me today, to try to deal with it or not deal with it, you know, and I just knew you would be a good person, I listen to you every day, and I have a Christian, and I pray every day for him, for her, and I just want to put your true feelings on the ground, that's what you pray. Yeah, it's a tough one, and like I said, I don't have all the answers, it would be nice to talk to someone, a Christian theologian who's studied these issues a great deal and have better insight, but that's where I'm at right now, yeah. Alright, well thank you for that, and as always, God bless you, and be a good person. Well God bless you too, thanks a lot, appreciate it.

Alright, wow, that's a good topic, and not an easy one to work through, it just is not. Four open lines, 877-207-2276, Monique, you're on the air. Good evening to you, thanks for taking my call, so I have a question around Second Timothy verse 2, 24-26, there's a brother, a Christian brother, I do believe that the person is honestly saved, and he wouldn't call, well I don't know if he'd call it an apologist, but I've noticed in a long time he's been greeted with, whenever he's talking to someone, whether it's a believer, or usually somebody that's not a believer that's atheist or something like that, and he has the word, he knows what the word says, but according to the 24-26, I see where he's anything but gentle, and he says be gentle to all men, obviously not just the unbelievers, but the unbelievers, and he's constantly, that's an idiot, he's a moron, well I get, because he gets very frustrated, I'm frustrated with arrogant stupidity as well, or arrogant ignorance as well, but the whole, you know, he's just a moron, you're being stupid, or you're, I don't see where, certainly it's in accordance to 24-26, there's nothing gentle or patient about that, and so, but he doesn't seem to, he keeps doing it, so he doesn't seem to find a problem with it, or judge himself with it, you know, it's just a week. I wonder if you and I know the same person, I know an individual online who is like that, and it's very condemning, and stuff, but what you need to do is continually bring up the scriptures, and what I'll do to people is quote those verses you cited there, 2 Corinthians 2-26, which I'll read, the Lord's servant, bondservant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wrong, with gentleness, correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance, leading to the knowledge of the truth, they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will. Now we're going to get back from the break, we'll talk about this, and another set of scriptures that are related to this, and what I recommend you say to them, okay? We'll be right back after these messages, ladies and gentlemen, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show for Open Lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, let's get back to Monique. Are you still there? Yes, I am. Can you hear me? Yes. So what I've done with people who are supposedly representing Christ, and they are rude, condemning, mocking, I'll ask them, are you obeying scripture that tells you to correct people with gentleness?

And just ask them that flat question, you know, 17-24-25. I did. That's what blows my mind, because that's what I always do with the rebuttal, and I don't want to interrupt you, but I want to say that I've done that, and then sometimes you'll try to go to the Matthew 23, 27, where Jesus said, you know, you're a hypocrite, and inside you're full of dead men's bones. He still didn't call them an idiot, and he does it nice.

It's not like he's screaming. He's like, well, you're just being an idiot, or that's just moronic, and he does it all with that. So what Jesus is saying in the context there in Matthew 23, he's talking to the religious leaders who are in covenant obligation to follow the law of God and to proponent the Messiah, and so Jesus is addressing those religious leaders and condemning them. But Paul the Apostle, he tells us, he can also go to 1 Peter 3.15, which says to give an answer to everyone who would ask you, yet with gentleness and reference. In 2 Timothy 2, 24, 25, which I already went through, and then another one, Colossians 4, 5 and 6, conduct yourself with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you should know how you should respond to each person. And I ask them, are you doing this?

And then they will sometimes. Well, Jesus condemned people. Well, yes, he did. And here's the context of what he was doing. Are you condemning the religious leaders too, who are right there face to face?

Is that you? But Paul the Apostle clearly tells us how we're to behave towards unbelievers in three different places. Why are you not obeying?

And then if they say, look, I'll just do what I want to do. I don't care what you had to say, or I'm going to be condemning. I'm going to say, then you're willfully denying scripture and you need to be rebuked. And so now, since you are claiming to be a religious teacher, then woe to you, you hypocrite, because you're behaving like a whitewashed tomb on the outside.

You appear beautiful, but inside you're full of dead man bones. Let the word of God condemn you because you're denying the truth of who Christ is. If you're going to be that horrible and that awful to unbelievers. And I'm glad it would be lovely if the person we're hearing now, because those are exactly the things that I would say. And even, and I think it's in Romans about, you know, you, some, I could be wrong about you, but some you save with compassion and others with fear.

So pulling someone from the plank. And I think when I said that was, and he went, well, that's, that's what I'm doing. I'm like, not by calling them an idiot or moron. And you gave all those scriptures and I gave all those scriptures. So with an unbeliever who has a rebuttal that's in spite of everything that was just said very clearly, I get it. But with a believer who is like, they just won't hear, they just keep doing it in their own way. So I'm glad you gave those scriptures because that's exactly, you know, I don't know how anyone argues when you point to the scripture, but, but they do. I don't know.

Yes, they do because they're serving their own self-righteous flesh. Now I certainly understand that people make mistakes. That's okay. They make mistakes and you know, I've blown it.

We all blow it, but that's okay. That aside from that, we need to trust in what God has said. That's what we got to do. Okay. Thank you so much. I feel like it's clear and black and white, but then I don't know how, how they spin it. But anyway, well, thank you for that confirmation. I wanted to hear maybe some extra insight on that as far as how they get it across. And I feel like I can't no matter what.

But anyway, cause he's not listening. No, but thank you so much. And God bless you. And I always want to remind you, I do pray for your wife.

Just healing and peace. I really do. So thank you so much. You're welcome. And thank you for calling. Okay. God bless.

All right. Now let's get on here with Mike from North Carolina. Mike, welcome.

You are on the air. Hi, Matt. I just wanted to reaffirm, uh, I've had the same issues that you've had in the recent caller has had with people who refuse to recognize the truth. And of course the Bible, uh, has predicted all of these things for these end times, and we're seeing it between the two political parties who can't agree at all because, you know, Satan has blinded certain people. Okay. I agree.

Are you, are you still there? You know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of confusion these days, especially in politics and it's, it's going to continue and it's probably going to be worse. Yeah, it is going to be worse. Not probably.

It's going to be. Yeah. And the reason is, is because they don't care about truth. They care about agenda. They've been brainwashed. The enemy has, uh, captivated them to believe lies.

Think about it. The people who are in control of our company, of our country are, are for the most part, liars. They will say one thing to get elected and then they do the opposite when they get in their liars. They promote homosexuality, the LGBTQ stuff, the alphabet, um, uh, Gestapo. They promote, uh, the killing of the unborn. They promote socialism. They, uh, were during the pandemic. Um, churches were not essential, but strip clubs were, and they could stay open. They are given over to evil.

They are evil and they need, uh, the gospel message for redemption. This is the state of our country. This is it. People need to know, know it.

They ask for you to say it. We are in a, um, like the series, the walking dead. You know, I used to watch that years ago, not anymore, but that's, uh, in a sense, that's our country is, uh, zombies everywhere. And only a few live people in Christ see the walking dead as they, uh, seek to destroy others, consume others. And with their vitriol, their hypocrisy, their bigotry and their condemnation of righteousness, this is what's happening in our world without a doubt. Yeah. The Bible says they will call evil, good and good evil. And that's what we're seeing for Isaiah five 20.

Yep. In fact, um, since we've got nobody waiting right now, second Timothy four, for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine. Now this is what's interesting.

I'm going to read the whole thing. I saw Paul is talking to Timothy and he's calling him to work in ministry and pastor and be an elder and things like that. I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead and by his appearing in his kingdom, preached the word with be ready in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with great patience and instruction. So who's he talking to talking to Tim and saying, what do this in your preaching? The unbelievers aren't going to church to hear his preaching. It's the believers, reprove, rebuke, exhort.

They're people coming in. Now, yeah, there's unbelievers mixed in there, but he's talking about the necessity of doing this in the Christian church and in this context for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine. Is that the unbelievers, the atheists? Well, yeah, it is.

Okay. But also it can apply to the Christian church. And I have a reason for starting talking about this because the, the problem is in the church as well, not just in the secular world, but he goes on and he says, but wanting to have their ears tickled, they'll accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires.

They'll turn away their ears from the truth. It will turn aside the myths. And so we have this kind of a thing in the Christian church as well. And so the false teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen. And so we have a lot of people who are false teachers in the word.

So this is something that is there. Now a lot of people don't know that, let's see, signs of the end times. And so I've done a study on what's going to occur in the world according to scripture.

And I have a list. The presence of false Christ or false prophets war, persecution of the faithful, apostasy, lawlessness will increase earthquakes, famine, plagues, increase in self-finished lovers of money, pleasure, arrogant, disobedient, conceited, haters of God, mocking of Jesus, increasing knowledge, rise of spiritism, the decay of marriage, false teachings, the gospel will be, will be preached signs in the heaven sun and moon will be darkened abuse of the destruction, abuse and destruction of the earth. All the nations are going to gather against Israel, arrival of the antichrist, enforcement of the mark of the beast, et cetera.

So I teach what's called depressed ketology. So what you're talking about here is yes, things are getting better or getting worse. And yes, they are. And my opinion is they're going to continue to get worse.

They're going to continue to get worse. And we Christians need to be ready and we need to stand strong and learn how to stand in the light of the coming persecution that's coming. That's what I say.

Yeah. I just texted our mutual friend, uh, Stu Epperson Jr., uh, owner of this network and I thank God for him and Jesus in that way. Well, let me tell you, I've met Stu many times and let me just tell you, uh, you know, Stu is a Godly man. We've had lunch, we've done conferences and stuff at ABN.

I'm not at ABN but, uh, anyway, we're running out of time here. And I've sat with him and listened to him desire to glorify God. And I'm not going to get into details, but let's just say the deal that he's given me to do the radio here is a good deal.

And he could get others who could let's just say, offer him a little bit more. And because we don't have much here at this ministry and yet he's allowed me to stay on the air and we've talked and he's a good man. He's a Godly man.

I guess. Well I just told him, I love you and your show. Well thanks. I appreciate that. Okay. God bless you Matt. Okay.

And God bless you. All right. Goodbye.

Thanks a lot Mike. All right. You know, uh, we don't have anybody waiting right now.

We got a minute left in the show. I know that the easy method, uh, the easy message is we're going to get raptured out of it before it gets too bad. Don't worry about it. Just pay your tides, go to church, let the unbeliever have the rule. Don't fight.

Just lay down. We'll get raptured. And I think it's a huge problem. I tell people, you prepare for what's coming. Will you deny Christ if they come to your door?

Will you deny him at work if they say you must affirm whatever it is in order to continue to work here? What's going to happen? It's going to get more difficult. The unbelievers are in control. Look what's happening in our culture. The rise of, of sin as being the norm of goodness.

That is the new standard. Trans sexuality, homosexuality, LGBTQ, gender confusion, abortion, uh, socialism, which is against scripture. Truth is a commodity. Truth is not something to be, to concern yourself with and neither is God unless you want to, uh, use him to gain votes and then turn your back on in your hypocrisy. This is our world. Christians are not going to stop at your door. Okay. I know not exciting, not good to hear.

That's what it is. I'll be teaching Bible study tonight and a two and a half hours. May the Lord bless you. We'll talk to you later. Okay. Another program powered by the truth network.