Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at KARM.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live.

Francis, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and hey, I hope you're having a great time. I hope you're having a good day, and hopefully this will be a fun, enjoyable show. If you want to give me a call, we have four open lines, 877-207-2276. Please give me a call and we can blab, we can talk, we can do whatever you want. And if you're new to the show, we do the Defense of the Christian Faith.

And today I did an hour on being interviewed by a pastor on the doctrine of the Trinity and the Person of Christ, and we related it to oneness theology and Unitarianism. And so if that rings a bell, great. If it doesn't, well, stay tuned and you can check things out. All right, we have four open lines, 877-207-2276. All right, oh, by the way, so we just let you know that we stay on the line by your donations, if, wow, hold on, I've got to say something, hey, Charlie, you know what?

The other venues won't let me activate to find out which ones are which. You know that too? Okay. So somebody's going on, maybe YouTube did a thing that prevents us from doing, so you're researching it, right?

All right, good. So just let you know that YouTube has penalized me a few times, apparently, for saying things are not politically allowed, not politically correct, this is totalitarianism. And so when I mentioned COVID, that's not a good thing, or the COVID vaccines and how I give information about them, that's not a good thing. And if I talk about the elections, how I'm not convinced that they are trustworthy, I'm not allowed to say those kind of things, apparently, when I talk like that, YouTube fixes things so that, well, I can't all the details, but we're less effective and less of a reach. And sometimes they just say can't produce anything on this venue or there. So this is what's happening, we're actually looking into getting into a new venue altogether, a paid one. So what we may be needing to do is to move to a paid venue where people can watch the stuff on YouTube, it won't be on YouTube anymore, it'll be someplace else. So that's what we're talking about, because things happen. I don't believe that things are going to get much better, maybe they will, I don't know. But we'll just see what happens. Christians are being silenced more and more, but we can, hey, we have the Lord Jesus Christ on our side, all we gotta do is keep pushing, keep trying, keep talking, let the truth come out and that's what we can do and that's what we should do, so praise God for that. Simple solution fixed, Charlie, see what we did and what we did wrong, both of us. You know, Charlie and I's brains together, probably our IQ total, maybe 50 or 60, that's what I'm thinking.

Sometimes we just mess up and we're smiling about it. All right, hey, as I was saying, if you want to support the show, all you gotta do is go to karm.org forward slash donate and there's all the information you need right there to be able to support us. We ask $5 a month, $5 a month isn't too much for a ministry that reaches literally millions of people a year.

This is no joke, I'm not just saying it, it really does. I keep records and I can tell you how many people from different countries, what the percentages are, I can tell you all kinds of stuff. I can work them all up, get all the details out sometime, but when you support the ministry, you're really supporting an outreach, not just in the radio, but also in the karm.org website that reaches out to every corner of the world and to hundreds and hundreds of people groups. It goes out everywhere and we consider ourselves missionaries to the internet. We have different languages that we're working on and not just a generic tracing or translating of it, like some websites, hey, here's this tool, they just translated an article.

That's fine, not knocking it. We actually have feet on the ground in Nigeria, Malawi, in Brazil, in Colombia. We have missionaries out there and in Turkey and we're supporting them so that they can do work on the ground where they are to establish centers for the karm ministry, to spread the truth, et cetera, because a lot of people don't have internet connection and so we have people who are just doing all kinds of stuff. So hey, there you go.

And if that sounds interesting, it sounds good, you want to support it, five dollars a month isn't much karm.org forward slash donate all the information needs right there for open lines, 877-207-2276, Alex from Orlando, Florida, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, how's it going?

It's going man, going, just going 80 miles an hour and talking to you is a break. So here we go. Hey, really quick, have you guys tried Twitch at all for streaming? We're looking into it, what I need to do or have someone do it for me because I have to do everything because there's just so much to do. We need to have someone who would take the different video formats and lay them out and then in a column and then in the horizontal line, say cost, membership, reach, this various things so we can see an analysis and know which one the best one to go to.

So it's another project I've got to do, but Twitch is one of the options. Yeah, I say that because James White has been using it on his program the last couple of days. Oh, okay. Yeah, we have to check it out and see, you know, and a lot of times we just go to other ministries and see what they use because a lot of times they've done the research and then they check things out and James does great work, he's a good guy. Yeah, yeah, so my question today, have you heard of the program or the non-profit Bibles Across America? I don't recall it, no. So I was looking through my books last night and I actually received a Bible from them through a Facebook ad and the Bible is called the recovery version and yeah, it has nothing to do with drug addiction recovery or anything like that, but something with the Texas Receptus and the translation, I was skimming it, but the only thing that concerned me was when I got, when I started looking through the Bible was in the beginning, there was a little insert and it had the sinner's prayer at the end of the insert. So I was calling to see if you had heard anything about them or knew anything.

No. Yeah, having the sinner's prayer doesn't mean it's bad as long as it's done properly, but you know, I'm looking at their website and stuff like that. We definitely want more people to spread the truth and give the word of God out.

It's a good thing. So I'm looking at him and looking at what about God is all meant to be saved, 1 Timothy 2, 4, yeah. Oh, now I can look at their statement of faith and see. So yeah, okay, God is eternally one, he is also eternally the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the three being distinct but not separate. That's a problem in how it's worded and Christ is both a complete God and perfect man. He's divinely conceived in the womb of human for three days, resurrected, that's fine.

The Spirit, the third of the Trinity is equally God. That's a heresy actually, his wording, they don't mean it that way, they're not wording it properly. I've actually written to various ministries over the years and said you have problems in your wording of certain things, this is a better way to word it and this is why and things like that.

All the Father has is expressed by the Son and all that the Son has is, yeah, we've got some problems, believers based in this age of eternal salvation and the coming age of eternity. Yeah, it's a very, in my opinion, not a very sufficient statement of faith, it doesn't mean they're heretical or anything, it's just you've got to do better guys, they need to do better. Yeah, maybe look into it a little more when you have some time because they do have a big outreach on Facebook, I mean they're giving out a lot of Bibles, people find their ministry and they go online. Well I like that, we need people to, oh look at that, 1,640,004 Bibles have been given away and 3,115,000 Christian books given away, praise God. So yeah, giving that word of God out is good stuff and I appreciate it.

Okay, yeah, I was just curious about that. The other thing I wanted to give a little promotion for your ministry, I wanted to tell all the listeners out there, times are tough, we all know it, but the Bible does say if you give, you will receive back, not in a prosperity, you know, word of faith type way, but in a God glorifying way, so I'd like to encourage all the listeners, me and my wife will be increasing our support, I'd like to encourage the other listeners who are supporting to increase their support or anyone who hasn't given at all, just give $5 a month because this brother has done a lot for the kingdom and he has impacted people throughout the whole world, the amount of people I talk to that have been impacted by Karm or use Karm in some sort of resource apologetic method, it's numerous. So I'd encourage all the listeners to really support the ministry. Well thanks Alex, just so everybody knows, I don't know who Alex is and that's it, thanks, appreciate it. Yeah, no problem brother.

Yeah, that's good. Oh man, need to hear, well we need more, we do need more support and a lot of ministries do, you know, it's just to get the word out and we're trying to do that as much as possible. Yeah, I run a small non-profit ministry, Vessels for Christ, we do work overseas, missions work and you know, everyone's suffering right now, we see it, you know, we see the impact but you know, we want to get the gospel out and you do a great, you do a lot of work, you know, 30, 40 plus years of research, I mean, you know, you're not just doing it, you know, half, half whatever, you know, you know what I'm saying, so. Well appreciate that, it's always nice to be, you know, appreciated, it is a lot of work.

People don't realize, you know, I'm on a little bit here, but they don't realize how much I work and I'm not saying, oh wow, hey, you know, look at, but I really put a lot of time and energy and have for years, it's a passion, I love to do it, but if I were to work 40 hour weeks, that to me in my life, that is lazy and I put in 50, 60, I used to put in 70 to 80 and you know, that's just what it is. So even now, you know, I'll be teaching tonight and I've got a guest over, but normally I would be on in chat rooms discussing and then writing notes and expanding information and then I publish it later, yeah, it's a lot of stuff, yeah. Yeah, well God bless you brother, you're in me and my wife's prayer as always, so. Appreciate it, we really appreciate that because we certainly need, that's the most important thing, we need a lot of prayer and support, it's a tough ministry, but praise God, and we're just grateful to be able to do it, alright. Okay, well take care, thanks for answering my question, I appreciate it. Alright man, God bless, thanks for calling, appreciate it buddy.

Yeah, God bless, yep. Alright, alright, hey folks, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276, I'm looking at something here on the line, and so I want to hear from you, give me a call, you got a question about Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, the Trinity by Islam, let's see, Atheism, Evolution, UFOs, the Occult, Eastern Orthodoxy, Christian Theology, Arminianism, Calvinism, Lutheranism, baptism, eternal security, all kind of stuff, we talk about all kind of things, if you're interested, give me a call, alright, let's get to Adam from Arkansas, Adam welcome, you're on the air, oops, there's a break, oh man, break time, hey sorry buddy, can you hold on, okay, sorry about that, alright, hey we'll be right back with Adam after these messages, four open lines, 877-207-2276, we'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276, here's Matt Slick, alright everyone, welcome back to the show, three open lines, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, I want to hear from you, give me a call, alright, let's get to, back on here with Adam from Arkansas, Adam welcome, you're on the air, hey Matt, I have a friend that is stuck on battling with full preterism, is there any verses that you can help combat that, I know it would be Acts 1, 6-9, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, yeah, yeah, yeah, just coincidentally, I was interviewed by a pastor today, a couple, three hours ago, and full preterism came up, and I talked about Acts 1, 9-11, and it is often the case, people say well yeah, we know about that, the preterists will say yeah we know, but look at this, look at that, and then we're off and running to a different direction, and I told him, I said look, I'm just going to camp out right there, I'm just going to say Acts 1, 9-11, I'm going to go over and over and over that section of scripture, and the reason I'm going to do it is because it refutes full preterism, it just does, full preterism saying that Jesus returned in the armies of Jerusalem, and so I actually got him at one point when I said, because he was giving me counter arguments from people he's heard, I said, and you're only going to respond with, and he laughed, and he goes Acts 1, 9-11, that's right, and I just kept, I'm serious, it is the primary place you've got to go to, and this is what it says, and people don't know what full preterism is, so let me explain, they teach that Jesus returned in 70 AD in the armies of Jerusalem, and destroyed Jerusalem as a judgment upon Israel, and that was his return, that's what it means, everything was fulfilled by that time, and so, okay, so he returned then, well this is what Acts 1, 9-11 says, I know you already know this, but this is for people who are listening, and after he said, had said these things, that's Jesus, okay, because Jesus had said, you'll be with, you know, and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem, all Judea, Sumeria, even in the remotest part of the earth, this is Jesus talking, that's verse 8 of Acts 1, verse 9, and after he said these things, he was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received him out of their sight, so I asked the preterist, was he lifted up where the clouds are, and they don't want to answer, because they know where I'm going, and they'll give me these different answers, let me ask you another question, did he ascend up into the clouds, and they might give me another answer and I'll say, let me ask you another question, did he ascend up into the clouds, and I go over and over this until they say, well yes, okay, good, and as they were gazing intently into the sky, right, or into heaven, right, while he was going, the whole two men in white clothing stood beside them, and they said, men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky, so I asked them, where are they looking to, the sky, isn't that where the clouds are, yes, okay, this Jesus who's taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched him go into heaven, so he's going to return the same way you watched him go up into the sky, full preterism is now refuted, done, and what's going to happen, you've got to understand, they're going to say, well you see, and then they're going to go into something, and you say, can I ask you a question, can we look at Acts 1, 9 to 11 again, and you go through it, does it say lift it up into the sky, and you go over and over it like you're talking to a first grader, and the reason is because they're so entrenched in this idea that everything was fulfilled before 70 AD, and at 70 AD, that this verse, this pericope, can't mean what it actually says, they'll go to varying verses in Revelation, they'll go to varying verses in Isaiah, well this means this, this means that over there, great, are you trying to set scripture against scripture, because what they want to do is submit Acts 1, 9 to 11 to their interpretation by going to other scriptures which are vague, and then saying the vague area interprets this little area, that's what they're doing, and I'll go over and say, it says he was lifted up while looking on and a cloud received him out of their sight, so they're looking up and that's where a cloud is, are they looking into the sky, how can you say no, if they do, I just let them blow hot air until they're done, and I say, so it says, and I'll say it again, in Acts 1, 9 to 11, he was lifted up while looking on and a cloud received him in their sight, so did he go up to where the clouds are, well you see, and then I'll wait, so it says lift it up into the heaven, or while they're looking up in the cloud received him out of their sight, so what is that again, they get upset with me, because I just camp out on it, that's what you got to do, just camp out on it, okay, alright man, anything else, no okay, alright we got three open lines, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276, give me a call, and we can talk, let's see, let's see, got that note right there, okay, let's get to, next longest waiting person is Chuck from Burlington, hey, welcome Chuck, you're on the air, okay thanks Matt, Matt have you heard of the conversion center in Hagerstown, Maryland, no I haven't, it's probably, I'll bet, the top conversion center with tracks, like in the country, it's Catholic, wait, wait, wait, it's Catholic, no it's two Catholics to get them paid, oh, I did not know about this, yeah, like I'm talking to Mark, you know, he's the guy who runs in charge of it, and the last, before I talked to him today, but the last time I talked to him they were sending 400,000 tracks, I think, to Honduras, oh wow, can you, they're good quality, can you email me their contact information, website and everything, because I'm looking and not seeing what it is, and I'd rather you not try and guess, because I don't want any false ones to be got out, but go ahead, yeah, I don't know that, yeah, how do I email you, well you go on a computer and then you do this thing called typing, and that's how you do it, again you can email me at info at karm.org, okay, info at karm.org, I can do that on my iPhone, alright, yeah, I'll give you the information because I got some in the mail, he's a dear, dear man, he doesn't have much money, you know, sometimes I'll say to him, well how about, you know, how are you doing for money, because I'm doing okay, and then he says, well really not too okay, funny, but he's just a simple guy, you know, he's an independent Baptist like I am, but we're not all bad, that's alright, yeah, okay, send me the information, I'm sorry what, info at karm.org, yes, he was sending some more out today, he travels a lot to, you know, get support, but they even put out some tracks, a lot, a lot, a lot, okay Matt, okay, we love your ministry too, it's great, brother, praise God, thanks Matt, I'll see you later, alright brother, God bless, alright, that was Chuck from Burlington, we have 4 Open Lines, give me a call, 877-207-2276, we'll be right back.

Hey everybody, welcome back, if you want to give me a call at the bottom of the hour here, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276, we have 4 Open Lines, give me a call, we can talk, let's get to Amore, I guess, from North Carolina, welcome, you're on the air. Hey Matt, this is Amore here, I'm kind of regular caller once in a while, but the one I want to ask is, I told you before, I used to be a Roman Catholic, I'm from the Philippines many years ago, but I get this plane, it belonged to this called Coptic Church, and I asked him, are you about the same as a Catholic, I don't get quite what he's saying to me, I know what Roman Catholicism is, but this Coptic Church, I've never heard before, are they almost the same, or just, what's the difference? They're very similar, and I don't know all the differences, I would love to be able to not have 1800 things to do, and be able to just produce a table that shows the differences between them as well as the similarities. So Catholic means universal, and then there's Eastern Catholic and Western Catholic, generally the Western Catholic Church is called the Roman Catholic, the Eastern can be Coptic or Eastern Orthodoxy, generally, and so there are derivations, I think within Roman Catholicism there's like 22 rites, they call them R-I-T-E-S, and there are, let's just say different interpretations of how these denominations that they claim are Catholic are interrelated in what they believe and what they assert. So it's been a little confusing when I try and figure it all out, I just haven't really studied it that hard, because I just really haven't needed to, if it comes up a lot then I start studying it, but the papacy, the Roman Catholic system, that's of course apostate, and my understanding and research in Eastern Orthodoxy, it also is apostate, and the reason is because both add works to salvation, and that just nullifies the gospel right there. And the Coptic, I don't know too much about, but it looks like they're the same, they do the same thing. So They told me that they also have like a pope, it's not a pope branch or anything like that, but do you have also a pope, I said, yeah, but it's another pope, I said, really, what kind of, so, so, so, okay, so also they, so it looks like, the way you tell me, it looks like also they also have like, not by faith alone, you have to work, off work, and faith combined type things, like something like that?

Yeah, it's like that. So the biblical doctrine is that we're justified before God by faith alone in Christ alone, not by participation in sacraments, not by baptism, combined with faith, but by our faith in Christ, and that alone is what justifies us. All false religions add works to the finished work of Christ. And the illustration I give to try and drive this home is to do a little visual cue with them, a little visual thing, and I say, pretend that you are on your knees, your hands and knees, and you're crawling slowly up a hill, and it's a muddy, dirty hill, and you know that at the top of the hill is the cross. And as you approach, you dare not look up, and maybe you might see the blood trickled in the mud, mixed, and you're not going to look up, he's too holy. And you stop, because you're there, and you're at the place of the crucifixion, and you don't go any further, and that is all you have, is what he did. And then you hear the footsteps of someone, and he's walking past you, and he keeps going towards the cross, and his head's bowed, and he's trying to be humble, maybe by that time he's crawling, and he keeps approaching the cross, and then he takes a bag of his works, his sacraments, his baptism, his keeping the Sabbath, whatever it might be, and he nails it to the cross, and then with humility backs away. And what he's saying is that he hopes that God will accept the sacrifice and his efforts for salvation.

That's what the Eastern Orthodox is doing, that's what the Roman Catholic Church is doing. And they'll say, no, these are the works God gave me to do, and there are still things you've done. And that's not how we're made right before God. So this is the visual I try and set in people's hearts and minds, to understand and to teach them that only the cross is occupied, that cross is occupied only by Christ and his work, not ours. Because our work is not equal to that cross. Otherwise, why would such a person, so to speak, nail it to the cross, say, my faith in Christ, his sacrifice, and what I do will be acceptable to God and why I'll be saved. They're elevating their works and their efforts to that level of Christ's sacrifice, saying the combination is what will save me.

And that's heresy. Okay? Yeah.

Are you there? I got your point. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

It's a strong visual. Yeah. Continue what you're doing and God bless you always. Okay. God bless, buddy. All right. Thank you, man. Okay. All right.

Well, if we have nobody waiting, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. So here's one of the things I'll ask Catholics and stuff, I'll say, sin is breaking the law of God. And that's 1 John 3, 4. And the Bible says that Jesus bore our sin in his body and the cross, 1 Peter 2, 24. And he made a legal or lawful atoning sacrifice, as he said in John, 1930, it's finished. And that's where he canceled our sin debt, Colossians 2, 14. So if every single sin and sin debt you've ever committed has been canceled, then how is it possible for you to lose your salvation since there's no sins left that you can be held against? And also, if he's the one who did all the work and canceled the sin of the cross, why would it be necessary for anybody to say, I need to keep myself saved by my goodness?

And you think about that. Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, they all say the same kind of thing, in that their faith in God and their work. Now, in Islam, they don't believe in Christ, of course, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses don't either. They believe in someone they call Christ.

They call him Jesus, but not the Jesus of the Bible, that's another topic. But all false religions always want to add their own efforts and their own goodness to the finished work of God, God in Christ, on that cross. They want to traipse through the mud up the hill, and they want to nail to that cross their efforts, their sincerity, their goodness, their works.

And then, in their self-proclaimed humility, they back away, and they say, see, I've proven that I believe in you, I've proven that my works prove my belief, but that's not what saves you. It cannot be added to the finished work of Christ, because to say that I need to do something in addition is to say what Christ did on that cross is not enough, because if it was enough in and of itself to save you, then you'd be justified by faith alone in Christ alone, what he did on that cross alone. But if you teach that your works have to contribute and keep yourself right with him, whether it means going to church or getting baptized or not doing bad things or doing good things, and this combination of what you have done and what you feel and what you testimony about in relationship and in addition to the cross of Christ, and that you say this combination of things is what will guarantee or hopefully make you saved and you get to go be with God, then you're saying what Christ did on the cross alone is not enough, it's not enough. And that you, in your sinfulness, you have to go and finish what he didn't do. He didn't complete it on the cross, of course he did. He finished it. He says in John 19 and 30, it is finished. And this is why it's so simple and easy for me to say, not with arrogance, not with regret, but with confidence.

That when the Roman Catholic Church, for example, says this, that all men may attain salvation through faith, baptism, and the observance of the commandments, and they're adding their works to the cross of Christ, and they're saying the cross of Christ is not sufficient. Where do you stand with that? Here's the break. Five open lines. Give me a call. 877-207-2276. Folks, we'll be right back. Give me a call. It's Matt Slick live. Taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Nobody's waiting right now.

Last segment of the hour, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. All right, now before the break, I was talking about the issue, the cross of Christ is either sufficient in and of itself to save or it's not sufficient in and of itself to save. When it's insufficient, then people will add works. Now in Mormonism, for example, in 2 Nephi 25-23, it says you're saved by grace through faith after all you can do, so what you're doing is adding works. And in Jehovah's Witness theology in 1983, page 15, I think it's April 1st, the Wash Tower, it says that the second commandment's more difficult, this is for salvation, that's to keep God's commandment. The second method of requirement for salvation is keep God's command, so they always say that you've got to keep God's command, and the further you go, the worse the heresy can become.

This is why people, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, are not Christians, because they have a false gospel. Now in Roman Catholicism, because we're talking about this stuff of Catholic and things like that, I'm going to read you something. Now this is out of Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott, page 213. This book is official in that it represents Roman Catholic theology, and it contains the Neelobstadt and the imprimatur.

These are approvals, that means that the Roman Catholic Church approves of what's taught in it, and it's worthy of being disseminated to Catholics. So now think about the sufficiency of the work of Christ. Now before I read this quote, I want to ask you, who was on the cross? It was Jesus.

Was anybody else up there with him? I'm not talking about the two thieves, they're different crosses. On his cross, was there anybody else?

And the answer is, no. He's alone. Then if he's alone, then he alone made the atonement.

Simple. No one was there with him. No one else bore our sins in his body. It was Jesus, 1 Peter 2.24. He alone made the atoning sacrifice.

This is Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Ludwig Ott, page 213. Christ alone truly offered the sacrifice of atonement on the cross. In the power of the grace of redemption, merited by Christ, Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her divine Son for men, made atonement for the sins of man.

That's what it says, I'm just reading it word for word. Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her divine Son for men, made atonement for the sins of man. Now this is blasphemy. Mary did not help make atonement. It was Jesus alone, God in flesh, who was on that cross. No one was with him.

He did it alone. But because the Roman Catholic Church has a false gospel, they don't believe in the sufficiency of Christ on the cross. They don't believe in the sufficiency of his work alone on that cross. They don't believe in that.

No. He did something and that something enables you to be able to keep yourself right with God. That's what it is. This is what false theology is. Jesus accomplished something in the garden on the cross, on the cross, and you are then able through cooperation with what he did by doing good things, you're then able to ensure or hopefully ensure the forgiveness of your sins. But here's the thing, Colossians 2.14 says he canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees, which was hostile to us, he took it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Now you've got to think about that. That's Colossians 2.14. He took away our sin debt at the cross. Sin is a legal debt. And Jesus equated sin with legal debt, our Father, heart, and heaven, hallowed be the name. Forgive us our sins and forgive us our debts.

That's Matthew 6.12, Luke 11.4, the parallel accounts. So he equates sin with legal debt. Jesus says it's finished.

His legal payment was done. The atonement was accomplished, but it also says he canceled the certificate of debt at the cross. It does not mean it's canceled when you believe, it does not mean it's canceled when you get baptized. It's canceled having nailed it to the cross. Colossians 2.14, I suggest everybody take a look at that verse.

It's what it says. Now we're justified when we believe, but the sin debt's canceled at the cross. Now there's some interesting theology between those two statements, but I won't get into it right now. But what we have in false groups is a denial of those words that is canceled at the cross. If your sin debt's canceled at the cross, then you can't keep your salvation by doing good because the sin is removed. Jesus did it. And so when you have an insufficiency in the atoning sacrifice of Christ, then you have a false gospel. So Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her divine son for men, made atonement for her sins. You know, fundamental Catholic dogma, page 213.

Or if you deny yourself of all ungodliness, then is God's grace sufficient for you. It's Moroni 10.32 in the Book of Mormon. See what religions do is teach a false gospel.

True religion, true Christianity teaches the true gospel. Now let me see if I can find it really quickly in the Quran. Notice what the Quran says.

Then when the trumpet is blown, there will be no more relationships between them that day, nor will they ask one another. This is, now it's verse 102. Then those whose balance of good deeds is heavy, they will attain salvation. But those whose balance is light will be those who have lost their souls in hell. Will they abide?

That's surah 23, 102 and 103. So what's happening is Mormon, excuse me, that's the interchangeable they are to me. Islam teaches if you do enough good works, you'll be saved. See in false religions that affirm the crucifixion of Christ, because Islam doesn't, but in false religions that affirm the crucifixion of Christ, his work enables you to do a balance of good deeds versus bad deeds by which you're then ultimately saved.

That's it. And so the only difference between that and Islam is they don't have the cross. They teach the same method, same method. The balance of good deeds is greater than the balance of bad deeds, you'll obtain salvation. In Mormonism, you're saved by grace through faith after all you can do. That's 2 Nephi 25, 23. So you see what they're teaching is bad stuff. Why? Because they don't believe in the completed work of Christ on the cross and that it's sufficient to save us.

All false religions deny that. All right, let's get to Anthony from Virginia. Anthony, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Matt. I've been here listening to your discussion, and one thing that Calvinists do when they're criticizing people who don't believe in sola fide is they make it seem like we believe that works are what saves us in addition to Christ's crucifixion. In reality, what usually people believe is that it's obedient. What church do you go to? I don't attend any church, actually, at the moment. So, are you a Christian? Are you a Christian? Yes. Okay, is Jesus Christ God in flesh?

Uh... Okay, so you're not a Christian. All right, so you're not a Christian, you're not a Christian, and you don't understand the Biblical theological perspective. Well, you're not actually discussing what I call into... Okay, I was talking, and then he just jumped over my words, so I put him on hold. I need to finish the sentence without being rudely interrupted. This gentleman is not a Christian.

He does not understand the Biblical doctrine of salvation. That's all I was saying. Go ahead, Anthony. I was just going to say, well, I called it and I made a point, and then you went to a completely different subject that had nothing to do with my original comment. Well, yes it did, because you're making a comment. I'm drawing off of what you said. Well, you're asking me about my beliefs. I have been doing this for decades, and so I kind of know how to cut to the chase.

Do you have a question? Well, my point was that you're mischaracterizing the beliefs of non-Calvinists and people, and, you know, Armenians and... Excuse me. I didn't talk about Armenians. I talked about Roman Catholics, and I read their document. I quoted from Mormonism, and I referenced the Jehovah's Witness stuff.

I then read from the Quran. How am I misrepresenting them? Well, the phrase that is usually used is you make it about work. You'll ask, like, how many... So, I asked you, how am I misrepresenting them? You said I was misrepresenting them. So, how was I misrepresenting them? The understanding is that it's not, like, work. It's not doing good deeds that gets us into heaven, but rather being open.

Anthony, Anthony, Anthony. I'm going to just say this confidently. You don't know who Christ is. You don't know what the issues are.

You haven't studied them from the original documents of those respective groups, and you just don't know. No, you're speaking out of, and no disrespect, Matt, you're speaking out of your ignorance. All right, let's get to Ralph from Charlotte, North Carolina. Ralph, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, thanks for taking my call.

I'll get right to it here. I'm reading the book of Daniel, Chapter 27, and in verse... That's the last verse, and it says, He will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, and then it goes on. And my question is, if we look at the pronoun, he, sometimes our pronouns are added later, or they're... Because I don't see this as my challenge, so maybe it is the way it's written. It's in the Hebrew. It's third-person masculine, singular.

I'm looking at my computer program that helps. And unlike English, where we have a separate pronoun generally, like he went, he said, in Hebrew here, they have, it's similar to Spanish, where the third-person singular can be he, she, or it. It's in the formation of the conjugation of the verb. So it's there, and it's third-person singular. Okay, so, and he will make a...

Okay. So it's referring back, I believe, to the previous verse, 26, where it talks about the Messiah, and then later in that verse, it talks about the prince who was to come. So it's either referring back to the Messiah or the prince, and I believe the prince would be the Antichrist, most people believe. So my question is, does the he in verse 27 refer to the Messiah or the Antichrist? Because that makes all the difference in the world.

Because it says he will make a firm covenant with the many, and the many is a phrase used in Romans 5, 19, which is very interesting. But in the middle of the week, he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering on the wing of abominations, so it's the bad guy. And we're out of time. Call back tomorrow. We can talk about it some more, okay?

We're just out of time. Sorry about that. Hey, folks, may the Lord bless you. I hope you enjoyed the show today, and please pray for us. We certainly need that. And by His grace, and only by His grace, we'll be back on there tomorrow, and we'll talk to you then. God bless everybody. See you. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.