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February 9, 2022 3:00 am
The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. Why is the founder of apologetics. Research on carbon you have questions about the show Matt slick. I hope the show we have nobody waiting right now if you want to give me a call. All you have to do is dial 877-207-2276 secure newbies listen to the show. This is a Christian apologetics apologetics is that branch of theology dealing with the defense and the establishment of the Christian faith to teach.
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The show my real name is Matt slick drumroll vertigo group running name this get to see was good to Mitchell from Charlotte, North Carolina, Mitchell, welcome here will recommend hitting anybody. We got ever you want to rediscover Trinity, not the people, but person and I'm just asking, what is the difference between people in person when describing the Trinity people. We understand individuals like you and me persons theologically in the context of the Trinity means something different. It's similar but it's different personhood means self awareness. Awareness of other building to contemplate have reciprocity felt fellowship with people can love and hate reason or attribute of personhood so angels have personhood God has personhood we have personhood and that's what we mean by it when someone says there are three persons or threats to be three people never talk about individuals. Now we talk theologically about three persons in the one Godhead were not talking about three being as three individuals might imply. But one being in three simultaneous persons so person to deal with the nature of the essence and so, by analogy, I trying to get people to understand that if you had a human being is a person and sings in a really bad accident got a disease. Whatever he had to amputate his legs. Is he still a person.
Yeah if he left at the average hit his arms as he shall appear person in interest. Yes, what if he's blind is he still a person. Yes he can't talk as you still person. Yes, personhood is not dependent on the physical attributes. Personhood is something that, in turn, and the physical aspects manifest out of personhood in the context of talk about. By analogy, and physical sense in the human body, but biblically speaking, to be absent the bodies. Behold, the Lord Socrates 58 and also Paul said that you don't was a man in the body around the body do not know such a one was caught up in the third heaven. Second Corinthians 12 two through four and so he was able to do. He taught that there was an existence and self-awareness of person apart. The physical body. So we understand personhood biblically to be that center of consciousness, and that will which can exist apart from the physical body and the human sense and divine sense God consists of three simultaneous persons centers of awareness that have will and can speak and so you and yours and me in mind if there's only one God, not three okay hope sure I do. You make anything what going on without Russia and Ukraine right now I don't trust the Democrats. I don't trust a leftist media.
I personally don't understand why were involved with Ukraine when of the leftist wacko more electronic media says that's we had to protect the sovereignty of the borders and yet they open up our border and do the exact opposite. And when they are inconsistent like that I don't like to bend the knee to hypocrisy to lies and it tells me that something else is going on and so why are they involved over there Ukraine.
I don't see the necessity towards biblically war is justified when we are to protect the helpless or self-defense. These are the two major categories, and I don't know the situation is Ukraine.
If we have contracts or covenants with them. I don't know all that stuff.
But if America want to be consistent then be consistent and guard our own borders along with the issue of everyone's footwear, covert masks, yet they open the borders of an inlet non-co-noncovered mask are known as people come in and yet they have covert and then they say, but we had to make sure we get every guarded by good shots. But then they let people coming without shut the something's wrong. There's another agenda going on personally is just my opinion I think they want another war for people in power to make money off of at the expense of human lives in our economy and things like that. I think a lot of evil people and control the flow. A lot of stuff my opinion I think I did, I did not like that, barely speaking, if there would be a valuable Profit being outgoing, like the eco-war, death occurred like I have precursor that Mike at QA I get everything fitting ultimately is a precursor because everything ultimately will lead to the End of Days when Russia and China start gathering forces to march into Israel. That's when to be afraid. The these are the prophecies that are talking about their 200 million man army drop marches long to try to view Fraser River that logically must be China, and Magog. They think is Moscow that that's observation of the work come south to north to take spoil out of Israel. So these are the precursors to war, the actual war of the tribulation. Which a lot of people just don't talk about when they talk appreciably's rapture make it out because we serve the blunter black location server do dress woman's nightgown American signal at the go through anything that's… Escaped and so I probably that obviously I think that was going out the problems.
Lapdog. Opinion to thank you for clarifying the people Anna personhood at welcome God bless all right to open lines 87720722 this get the glory from Ohio glory. Welcome here and my quick.
I do not have God certain work and been the evening and the morning was the first deck and you thought when the daylight at means we have morning to evening, and at bay. Recall that it day that I don't wear I don't understand how they can have passion understand your question my question and not sure I understand because God called the light day, the darkness he called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Genesis 15 so you so after that morning, evening and morning Thursday the fourth a strange in the fifth day and the six-day and the evening morning and then another day you so anything at passion with the content is just not quite seen the confusion you is what I see you there was evening and morning just what it says.
That's what I believe it was evening and morning news. Night and day.
Oh what a night brought on night in the morning brought on that you hundred and is now read what it says in case we can do with what is God called the light day and the darkness he called night and it was evening and there was morning, so for the very beginning there was light and dark called and in morning there. It talked about in the beginning God created heaven and the earth and earth without form and void and darkness on the fate of 50, God moved upon the fate that the waters strange to me too. Well let me just tell you officially for studying 42 years of Scripture answering questions on what that means when I think it means is that the earth was formless and void that there was darkness over the surface of the earth, and that the Spirit of God was Merck moving over the surface of the waters. That's what I believe I'm a channel that I want is what it says. That's what I believe I have not know God is light now.
Darkness and ham and the universe what ever went there before he put stars the moon and button everything. Everything went dark and so had to come don't know. That night we can say everything is darkness because God was not unaffordable. Light no man has seen or can see this first Timothy 616 so it appears in God's nature is light and says every light yes this one of his attributes. But as we would say when he says, let there be light. It seems to designate that there was a creation effort and he talked about the universe itself and to be liked and light was good is great effort any separate life in the darkness. I think their spiritual aspects of the light and darkness. There ultimately they called the light day and the darkness he called night. That would imply that the earth was already there was evening and morning there without form and void. I don't know what I know what where I know it's well shaped personal gender series about this and I don't have a problem with God forming the earth material in space over 24. I'm running from God can certainly do that formless and void, and then when it came together. Why can't God do it at like it would not cut water covered it.
Anyway I have one more question I get I get hectic wedded.
That's a good idea have provided it talked about killed Abel and then it can that be liked Abel to the question is that you bring guests questionable for folks to 77072. It's mats like live calls at 877207276. Here is Matt slick all right look back everybody welcome killed Abel and that led to their and she can't, God gave Joe I'm gasping at the woman where Christ came. The woman that At Abel had been the pick that the anticline and then when he killed that with, chosen to be the day that Christ came from that work which get this curious that censorship is just curious that you have been on TA are you listening to shepherds because you should not what you're saying is reminiscent of what you're saying and okay so what your question again. I okay I think it for because where I noted it. Where is the what's just curious what your question though Treadwell went talk about the woman when Genesis 3. That's it.
Just three is talking about the seed of the woman. There is no seed of the woman. Women don't have see where I had that right.
That woman, okay. I try to tell you the seed of the woman doesn't make any sense. There is no seed of the woman. So why is that phrase there because it's an allusion to the virgin birth in the future, cried out what God told me that I will put great for you. I will put enmity between the end of woman, and between night and yes it at the I was. I never noted before, at that bad after Cain killed Abel that that she was able to again and said that God had given her the two replay able to say bad that by the way where they met the anticline comes to other children as well. Besides, Cain and Abel.
But obviously long could go through Abel because he was killed unless he had children beforehand, but nevertheless, so they have been if the issue out of Genesis 315 seed. The seed of the woman is understood to be a prophetic thing dealing with the virginity rather birth in the seed of the Lucent was as much a cryptic thing that that's what's this going on, but I would not go with this too much with it.
Go down to a certain seed like Cain or Abel because the shepherds Chapel cult group teaches this kind of stuff and I'm not sure understood what you're getting at, but I'm I'm on now I don't know anything about capital. Whatever it is that I never noted that by going online. I thought I would add that question that I don't have right for me now where particular when I tell you what can you look it up and then call back another time and actually get the exact reference in the question related to it. We can take a look okay to go to K well and thank you Nanette for what went shattering.
As I am getting into this and I'm trying to look little bit more cursory reading. I noted that he obtained another okay I tell you what if you could if you could give me the exact reference in the question related to another time and then we can go over okay okay I pray for your time and I thank okay, let's get to Rudolph from North Pole from Raleigh, North Carolina looking on their liquid what it different between where encrypted late spelled differently, but also joking with you, but so wrath is a judgment that comes upon someone because of something else tribulation doesn't necessitate that so in the sense of the wrath of God is his his judgment upon people for their evildoing. But tribulation can occur on both the good and the bad. So wrath is generally said to be a bonding upon the unrighteous.
But tribulation can come up on both okay. The real quote.
The post preterm birth all week about the wrath of God is my wing at the juvenile grant.
I know when now, but when they open no well the wrath when we going to get wrath grant that it different is dribbling right in Alsace and reported not to wrath that salvation is for word as a thinker's office and find it puts the cultic verse and the Jets versus 159 for God is not just lust for wrath, but for obtaining salvation will cc wrath is not to be tribulation, but that's not the word yes. But tribulation and they misapply the word wrath. There is or gay and tribulation is… The different words plus notice of juxtaposition for God is not dismissed for wrath, but salvation wrath is the opposite of salvation bring their judgment, salvation, the appointment when the destination is that we are not appointed for damnation but for salvation. That's what's going on to has nothing do with the tribulation is misapplied with a flight that way okay alright alright thank you you welcome God bless. All right, let's get to Rev. RV from Georgia. I welcome you on your thank you for all matters. This going to ask question about the habits that a union sure and we were discussing the fame of the mayor, and on your calm forms and that led to discussion about the habits that again and then that mainly the difference between Nestorianism and the pollen Arianism is the people that were against God porn wrath out on earth on were saying that the we were the Nestorian thinking that this is likely person. The one member you had to question earlier talk about God and trust that you people off and then break the story and obviously you say that I bring a false accusation told him he focused mythological call 87707276 it's mats like why thinking a call 77207276.
Here is Matt slick accurately. List RV all right. Let's try this again will the other side of the coin would want the base started and then the nuclear Nestorian. One of the orders of the mayor, started: they Neo Apollinaire in space because the personhood of Jesus denoted by Unplanned that only the divine personhood is only person within in the hops that union and the energy he said long. It doesn't this the human person and that's more to be gossip to some it could also be a pollen Arianism and that so you define your terms and what I would recommend is that you go to Carmen to the definitions of the hypostatic union and put copy and put it in there along with the community, caught you in your bottom and put it in there I can get myself into their be glad to know to join in but I can't. I don't know what happened.
Long story short, can't do it yet. So what I would suggest is, tell them that I I'm willing to produce a live video discussion go over these things. If they're interested I can teach them with the truth is and correct their errors don't say that because of the Who's Who cricketers will okay because the hypothetical unit is a truth not Nestorianism modifies its tourism a pollen Arianism you take unionism and so the people who fail to understand PSA penal substitutionary atonement also fail to properly list in the communication of the properties of Christ nature and the necessary essence of of the person, the attributes of divinity describe the single person so I'll be glad to go over with him if you're interested, you can ask of that would be great and enjoyable watching on Marlon Wilton of the gospel truth and not thinking that some of them would probably enjoy discussing these or something like that if you couldn't get in the car. Whatever.
So what are what are they saying these are the Trinitarian's younger Trinitarian to the whole of the hike to the hold hypostatic union near the end of the whole value increase is a hold of the committee kind of momentum. Yeah that's never heard Hatton ~1 brought it up, and I'm not an expert on that just means that the attributes of both natures are ascribed to the single person that the attributes of both natures are communicated to the one person to the one person of Jesus is. I am thirsty disclaiming the attributes of humanity. The one person said I will be with you always, even in the earth was claim in the attributes of divinity, so the one person who said I claims the attributes of both the human and divine nature, so the eye. The person claims is attributes.
Therefore, those attributes are attributed to one person, which is why the penis penal substitution atonement works because if only the divine nature of the instrument with only the human nature died on the cross.
The divine nature. By definition cannot die to biological function will if only the human nature died that house the divine house, a sacrifice of divine value and the answer lies in the communication of the properties in that the attributes of the nature describe the single person and we see the person dying on that cross and therefore the personal sacrifice has the attribute to divinity, and in the quality of and makes perfect sense in PSA and we know logically what PSA means. It also necessitates limited atonement and their be the one shall be inconsistent that I can show that limited, yes, because if you go with a legals of two straight told substitutionary. We know that because of Isaiah 503426 He Took Our Pl. substitutionary. It's illegal because you to fulfill the Old Testament requirements will be entered in the baptism in Matthew three, as well as being under the log license for for I never broke the law. First Peter 222 so had to be a high priest, sacrifice the article because of the K-6 27, 25 and he could not a blemish, which is why he has a sinless nature, etc. Deuteronomy 17 one. So Christ fulfilled the Old Testament law get to be substituted to be one of our own legacy was 215.
I think it talks about that to be made like his brethren, so it's a legal sacrifice because he had to be the atoning sacrifice according to the law so therefore it's illegal and substitutionary. That's what the Scriptures teach if it's illegal and sends a legal debt Jesus that her father were in heaven forgive us our debts and Matthew 11 for an order. Matthew 612, excuse me and Luke 11 forces forgive us our sin. Jesus equates sin with legal debt. He says the cross to tell us die. It is finished. It's a legal statement which that designates a legal transfer of legal debt paid.
Furthermore, Jesus canceled the certificate of debt on the cross. Colossians 214. We understand that sin is a legal death is transferable and was imputed to Christ, and he bore our sin and died with those sins, then the payment for sins is accomplished and nobody can be held responsible for sin that that's canceled.
Hence the necessity of limited atonement. Otherwise they are accusing God of unrighteousness by saying that the Jesus pays for people sent cancels or said that are paid for and they still go to hell for those same sins. That's unrighteousness under accusing God of it so I've been over this with thousand times different ways in the console with Ray. Are you and it makes a lot of sense and it answers the questions and the can't answer the can't locate it like a lot of the one of the moon used to be about one tablet but now he doesn't agree with limited atonement. It's okay for I would be glad to get to do a lecture on it where I can answer their questions and show them the logical necessity that position. I can ask them questions like it. Jesus paid for their sins. Why the good health. They didn't believe that doesn't make that the payment efficacious the payment is made whether you accept it or not even believe it or not a legal debt canceled is irrelevant whether you accept it. It's a canceled.
They fail to understand the efficacy of Christ work and they make it depend upon humanistic principles. It's humanism in the church. We need to abandon this we need to get back to biblical theology so that the people who were preaching and teaching will get to Christo centric historical redemptive preaching okay and upper said it arrived, tell him I'm not mounted to a discussion as to be set up okay RMN. God bless. Okay. All right. Let's get to next longest waiting is Paul from Virginia people. Welcome around here hello are you good. We got what I asked you about a book called midnight keying in the global credit. We all pray about Dr. Peter Breggin and I know the lead by Karen October, you have had a chance to take a look at that and I was wondering when you see managers and I'm opening it up because I went through some of it I have read some of it I'm on page from 2% into a page 22/998, so will be reading the whole thing for sure usually go back and forth between 34 books so yeah a lot of the back of the book is all the copy that I have, including the index hundred and 51 pages of the index in the endnotes or close to $200 all that, but my question is what I'm reading in the book COBIT 19 in the global creditor's right.
This situation was planned over a number of years and Bill Gates, the world economic forum cloud law, along with Anthony fallacy and some other players that are mentioned in this book that I used to work player can that you arranged all of this and the shots were supposedly already up in the works way before operation works for you. Have a question though the question because I just like if they gave all. If this book is true, which don't know what is the books true. Yes and why they would think all that the like, and I know there is money, corruption, and that kind of thing. But how are they getting away with height of the type of what I would call Nuremberg type is when people get away with stuff like this. It's because their unrighteous demonically led and they don't care about truth. They care about power in society. For the most part, cares about comfort and when something is introduced that threatens that comfort people don't react well those who are independent thinkers put righteousness above comfort with the leftists and the socialists put comfort above righteousness. They want the state to take control and take care of them and then they want to impose that value upon all others so they become part and parcel of the overall system is perpetuated in a downward spiral. Okay okay okay man if those we have an open mind and a call 877-207-2276.
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Let's get to Charlotte, North Carolina, Mitchell welcome around here. Quick question. That three-person character near-perfect that one or two wouldn't work with three perfect elaborate yet the nature of personhood is self-awareness.
Awareness of others. We know this because God reveals himself to us in that and we by analogy can recognize the attributes of God because of what's called the communicable attributes the communicable attributes are those attributes of long ago that can be communicated to us he loves. We can love pH we can a few reasons we can reason he thinks we can think and so these are the communicable attributes. He is self-aware where software now.
Also within this is a nature personhood and we know that God is love for Chuck, four, eight, and the nature of love is other centered has Jesus in John 1513.
Let's take this aspect of love in regards to personhood.
Personhood is fellowship included among afterwards a person, fellowship, love, etc. if God himself is perfect and is one person that has asked the question how then does he exhibit in one person from forever ago before the universe was made. How does he exhibit the full nature personhood he would not be able to have fellowship with unbilled have love.bill to have reciprocity awareness of others and this is problematic because we understand God. By analogy, by our own personhood. Not that we judge God by ours, but we understand him by. That is self revelation being made in his image and since, as Christ said in John 1513 greater love has no man than this belief slept on first front and that God is love for John 48 the nature of love is part of God's nature.
Love by nature is other centered. How did God then from eternity express the full nature of love and other centered. There was no possible way that manifestation so among those that aspect, as well as others in reciprocity, contemplation, awareness of others expression these things wouldn't exist in the idea of a single person God from forever ago and if you have the aspect of God being two persons, then the issue fellowship and love in reciprocity is solved. However, there seems to be a problem in that the very thing of love is an abstraction. Okay so I love my wife and I can't take love my wife and put it in a jar and take her to go on if I tried that I probably get a slap upside the head and so love is something but it's an abstraction and you know it's conveyed in intention and things like that. So if the intentionality of love was expressed in a two-person godhood, then it would mean that the fundamental quality of God's nature, which is love is also impersonal because the nature of love here will be an abstract entity, an abstract thing proposition of abstract containment gets in the philosophy so so the problem here is that that would mean a fundamental parts of what God is, is an abstract quality, love, and that problematic if, however, God was three persons.
Then the father could remediate the action of love and fellowship, reciprocity, etc. among the other two and each of the members of the godhood could mediate those aspects of personhood to the other two and was called the per Teresa's in the doctrine that each one mutually entered wells that the other there will be a complete union and the divine simplicity that God is one substance, eternally existing as three persons in Perry Teresa's who are fellowship thing among themselves. Where there is reciprocity in exchange without any equality being a you and abstract thing that is not personal and therefore you have the Trinity being the apparent minimal necessity of true fellowship and eternal nature of personhood in the exchange and the quality of the expression of personhood and that's why he would need four or more in two or less doesn't work okay okay I can but I will hold well okay if you want more of this. You can go to my debate I had with shabbier elite. Just go to the Carmen website and look up debate Matt slick shabbier SH a BIR and I listed out this argument to him in our debate because he holds to one person in the content is Allah and he admitted in the debate.
He could not respond to it did not answer. Okay I got blessed right. Let's see next long as Wayton is crystal from Richmond, Virginia, Crystal welcome your near me and I'm pretty new and I think you are getting great and one of cream.
Cochair and trying to understand that more like what you believe Hatley had agreed to highlight interpret that so tempted to say, believe that a reference slick on the radio says so I can tell you that my opinion is that post-tribulation is true but that's my opinion doesn't mean I'm correct, you need to study the best you can and don't answer. But I would suggest going through Matthew 24. Now you've heard of the statement. For example, the fee disinformation and generally speaking they will never ring up you've heard this phrase as it was in the days of Noah, so shall be the days of the Son of Man, for they were eating, they were drinking they were giving America to the winter the ark. The flood came and took them all away to men's in the field was taken. What is left. You've heard about that right and it's the rapture right okay. If not, I never I don't know, I'm pretty new to hear that new right well when they say that if they say it's the rapture it's not the rapture.
It's pretty common that they save. It's not the rapture because it's the wicked who were taken that belief in for the preacher versus like, but but it's the wicked were taken and if you go to Matthew 13 Jesus says that the first was taken of the wicked.
Here's a question if, at the return of Christ, the rapture of the good happens and why does Jesus say at the end of the age which is when he returns the first was taken of the wicked.
The preacher rapture can't work with that model and it can't work with mid-trip either. Furthermore, if you were to go to Matthew 24 and you read just read you'll actually see that they ask Jesus questions about once this can occur actually says after the tribulation of those days and you'll see certain things after with what he says he should read that for yourself after the trip. One of the argument that I follow it back if it were if you live in a post-racial then why flag year, it live right words when I split live righteously if we can escape it. Just make any sense he calls us to live righteously independent of circumstances because he's our standard. That's why.
And it says Jesus is immediately after the jubilation of those days.
So the sun be darkened, etc. and you will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and I'll gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. So Jesus specifically says in Matthew 24, 29 to 31 after the tribulation.
If the trumpet will occur and the elect will be gathered and want to go to for special needs 416 the Lord that Jesus himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God. The trumpet and the dead in Christ will rise first. We who are alive and remain the cut up together in the clouds to meet so that the at the trumpet is when Jesus returns in the rapture occurs, and yet Jesus also says after the tribulation with the sound of the trumpet is when the elector gathered it's the same so you see. Thank you for think about now any adding a way to start their day. Matthew 24 and Matthew 13 studied those Iranian thing is a sleaze for you for four transformer 16 so. First Thessalonians 416 and just keep reading and then okay. Matthew 24 and Luke in Matthew 24 Luke 17 or parallels, but Matthew 24 Luke 17 and Matthew 13.
The parable of the wheat and the tears verse 30 in verse 40 read the context of both of those you see okay that mean provenance of a people's toes, preacher bliss, rapture just doesn't hold water. In that case I just made people mad. Okay okay thank you Crystal and call back if you say no I don't agree with you go okay that's fine that's no big deal.
It is my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.
Okay I hope I am all right Crystal Cutlass Azure by this get to next long as Wayton is John from Washington, John. Looking for granted John from reading and take a job for a late though I know that were short on time.
So I'm on my quickly talk about the union that you are talking about earlier, I discovered recently that there are some who believe that they don't believe in.
I union and so it pretty crazy to think about that and then thawed radiophonic. Could you explain a little more about mono's night is that what it is to say it yeah I okay you so die solipsism and modify citizen all right.
So Jesus has two natures, the divine nature and again the nature by an necessity. Each of those nature has to possess personhood of possess will because a human has to have will and witnesses, and on in life was not a human. So die means to an syllogism comes the Greeks to let two will to wills a will of the divine will of the human sky syllogism. That's the correct doctrine. However, we only have one person Jesus with one will and that's because of the hypostatic union and the communicator to it. You mocked him hypostatic union says in the one person or two natures. The committee cutting tomato him says that the attributes of those natures are ascribed to the one person so die. Solipsism is the correct view mono Philip Chisholm says basically a set of the hypostatic union they have what's called modify citizen that the human nature and the divine nature combined into a new third thing the divine man nature is a one nature not to but one so to third thing that's neither divine nor human. The problem here is with the issue of continuity that's it logical to have time to go into it destroys continuity that's an issue which is essentially the creation of a new third thing that neither God nor man, but 1/3 think all the.net and inside of modify citizen than they hold to mono syllogism in this heresy.
So the teaching heresy ultimately denies the efficacy of sufficient to the atoning work never to divine sacrifice and taurine are John hey folks, sorry Nate said he wanted also. Another program powered by the Truth Network