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November 8, 2021 7:08 pm
The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network mats like why is that it is apologetic to research what is found alive for you have questions about Bible doctrine is a max what why Grimes is called responding to your questions at 877 is 2021 when he was flying by. If you want to give me a call to do is dial 877-207-2276 we helpful five open lines wide open. Want to hear from you now couple of announcements, the schools are now released new format. The new everything.
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Chapter 2 and then next week were going to teach a Bible study and Ruth chapter 3 and that we put that on the web. People are interested in checking out a lot of fun and we do that okay let's see we go because were doing live stuff.
You're just so how do you use network you okay are you alright so swap that out. Got so many things going on that I often forget to slip one or two switches are just a lot going on that when we have meetings usually doing two or three things simultaneously that some of things that I do always always working and that reminds me in two hours I'll be on discord and I'll be doing with: AMA asked me anything and so that's were going to a room I'm invited in by atheists and agnostics and others join in the just piled in there and then they get in line and they asked me questions and all kinds of stuff.
Christianity evolution UFOs. Whatever this we talk. And speaking of all that we have. I will politely call folks about 877-207-2276 and for those of you who are new with this issue. Maybe it hadn't heard about this before others show.
Well, it's a Christian apologetics show apologetics is a branch of Christian theology to deal with the defense and the establishment of the Christian faith and that's what I do so I thought about all kinds of things and nobody calls on you, do because it very rarely blown call that I'm going to talk about Catholicism and how they hat it is and underline enjoy talking with all of this multicolor coming and you know it's if you're Roman Catholic you could continue to listen. Of course we'll get you do, but most Roman Catholics don't know how bad Catholicism is they don't know what it really teaches down deep and some of his official documents and stuff and I've got documentation all over the place in the Roman Catholic Church like to say it's the true church and it was founded by Jesus and they say all the stuff but they can't prove that it is not biblical to say that they just claim it and then they take verses out of context is a see this is a is and it doesn't work and I and it had all kinds of stuff and some of the stuff they have added into Christian theology.
Oh my goodness it is so contradictory to Scripture, it's just for some reason, my favorite thing to talk about and I also think equal to that. I love talk about atheism and I love talking to atheists are why I just do like a kick out of it. Not that I'm mocking them or anything.
Not that is just I enjoy talking to atheists.
II think that they have a real problem making sense of their worldview with atheism is a worldview, even though the essay is not but it is and I talk about that with them all right when we just get the phones is good to Anthony from Iowa and you're on the air and that Prof. okay oh that's right you know me yeah I went flying doing fine just been working hard all day on meetings and my day will probably end until eight or nine tonight. I quit now early by nine day what you what you put about 36 hours worth of work into a 24 hour day. I can just imagine that yeah I talked to my wife years ago about how much I work and I said, I think, and €56 a week. She looked up she was undoubtedly 70 I'm always working to do is I can't help that. You know I be watching TV all research stuff on my phone and I get ideas. I go to bed and I read lately thoughts about the Reno highlight books and I transfer information to outline some even during the breaks here on the radio I'm working on something so you you have that you have an inquisitive mind that's a joke. She inquisitive mind when he but I will okay unequivocally remind me that your your your always seeking more knowledge your thinking elements of God your gallant you're looking into the deeper thing that's right I do that last night Bible study. I spent some time talking about transcendentalists and why atheism as an example cannot provide any terminus of logical foundation for presuppositions. So that was fun.
I enjoyed that cost everybody what you got well the reason I called. I just need a little bit of advice from you because I can fill you or your brother really a mentor. I my wife in prison. We've been separated for. She's in prison little little over a year now and she's in prison. He said yes sir with four if you can tell me don't have to tell a domestic abuse. Okay, she put the Christian yet okay are I glad and I'm get you know I'm a Christian man I and I always turn to Proverbs 3, five, and the extraordinary growth in the Lord and don't lean on your own understanding, try to figure it out, and in all your ways acknowledge him, meaning that he thought right and all things need to say which way to go right.
That's correct, that's correct. Yes, switch plan that well my question is do you have any advice for me on how to get through this through what slow time of mile. Okay, so through my I met I met my wife live and I'm praying for her and that should be safe and be okay in. I've never been separated from my wife for this long of the time and help. How long much longer she got about six months okay is she going to go through anger management and domestic abuse management stuff after she gets out. Yeah there there she's gone through that while she is there.
Okay, was her abuse against you yet. Okay. So if you and everyone on my side no okay so what needs to happen is you are going to church right yet right church yet okay so your elders need to be involved in this. You need to talk to them and have at least one elder that you talk to about this and okay.
Then you keep records of who you talk to is nothing to detail just on this date. Talk to Mexican radio and he gave advice or to contact the elders are just things like that and he taught me talk to the elders you want to say what I do and in the advice they give you, and this is my advice is for you to go to the elders because the elders are there supposed to be able to teach truth and refute error and also do some measure of counseling. So with that, the things you need to be doing is praying for her deliverance from this problem needs to be a boundary set that if this reoccurs, you will call the police.
You will do is necessary and shall back these be very clear that this is not acceptable and that map that he that he had been the situation because this last time was the fourth time that was actually record in police answers, don't speak this to happen.
We've been together for 12 years with.
We've been married for seven. You get anything and me, I guess that over the air be everything here at down but for Marion somebody that is the well that's it.
Now I can say is why I love her okay okay I love her so. And I've totally forgiven her about yeah I've got a forgiving heart rather okay to tell you that what you need to be doing is to be focusing on her repentance to the she's done this is jail time to it. Hopefully she's learning her lesson in jail. But if she's not also but if she's not you begin to find out and you need to let her know the elders need to be involved so that when she gets out of church. Sen. gets out of prison and then we have a meeting with the elders and when she gets you give her a couple three days four days a week, whatever it is and you let it let her know ahead of time before she gets out to be a meeting the stipulations and if she violates any of these you to call the police again and she knows what that means and that she's required watching should be required to go through and allows you well. Together they met in what the problem has been in the past and we've both been okay if alcohol is always been all didn't know how to drive your end. Allow your house yet. Yeah that's right and get it out of the house. Here's the thing yet yeah absolutely. But here's the thing.
When we were the I went for three years without drinking and then like a dummy at our anniversary on that we were right and by night and I drank a beer and then there I want to get that. I'm not a violent man. I'm not coming to okay hold I got that which I can at this one thing, and we need to focus on this issue is focus on one thing at a time and alcohol is a problem. It should not be in the house anymore.
Yeah I agree yes okay after that, he has to just understand that that's an issue to its gone and you have to go to Judge John church the elderly to be involved okay okay all right my eye, I visually survive my brother thank you had like all right if folks are going to be all well you violated €77.07] after that I call 77077 charismatic slave weather for North Carolina. Welcome at our church. Talk about the audit and site by gone bad thing happen. Perfect like on the 10th omnipotent on the I think because he desires to let things happen to us early will literally go shall call back. Hopefully we can talk about it, but this is called theodicy and to cut categorical that the problem the topic of evil. Why do bad things happen to people in the world, will they happen because of one thing is God's desire to allow them to happen. Thing is, because sin is in the world and sin like trickle down effect sin results in various things.
My wife has a genetic deformity. I have asked burgers. We have people who don't drive fast and get get a crash and kill someone else in the someone else didn't do anything. This kind of thing happens in the world. God permits one of the reasons I suspect that he permits is because we have what's called the federal headship of the males do in the representation made in the image of God, both male and female. Genesis 126 28 and so we are representatives of God on the earth.
And if we submit to God. Things work out. And if we don't. Things don't and so sin by allowing sin to happen in the world and the consequences of sin to happen the world. God can then demonstrate how bad sin is and how it affects on other people occur why there's injustices happen is things are unfair and then also one of the things is that he uses sin for his greater glory. The best example of this is dealing with the crucifixion of Christ. The Jews lied and the Romans executed him, and people bore false witness against these roles bad things. And yet, through the bad things. The atonement of Christ's work on the cross bought us salvation so God often uses bad things in the world to bring about greater good luck we think is now. We should not should not or not. Let bad things happen to so to speak good people right of the people, but that's another topic, and when they say God ought to write not to what you're saying is they understand a moral station that God himself does not and needs to abide and so people will office it will, the God of the Bible can't be right or can be wrong because to be a moral reason to. Who were you give such a standard that is universally applicable at all people, and God himself so people like Bill do a lot of time to submit God to their own preferences, and civil.
This is a bad thing that shouldn't happen. Well, why shouldn't it have, to ask why things happen. That's okay to say that they shouldn't happen. That's not okay. But to ask why they happen.
Then what we do as I 40 been saying is we postulate ideas that God uses bad things to bring about greater good.
Also bad things are. The effect of sin in the world and the trickle-down effect of sin and all kinds of areas and God will often use those kinds of things, even other difficult to go through to teach us and to mold us and to shape us. In one example that uses my wife and I about 27 years ago. Our son Jacob and he bought was more the book birth defect, and it killed and they discover the birth defect in the womb.
And so I remember being in the room when the doctor nurse what was came in and informed us that her son probably would not survive birth and gave us the option for abortion right then and there and I am so tickled.
I still remember this so I'm so proud of my wife.
She's the one carrying this child and she said we will not do that. Don't ever bring it up again and I just so proud of her and so in that bad thing that happens I gained a new respect for my wife and she witnessed to her that nurse lady because of the request is not do this and so there's some good there, plus or some other good that came out of it, so to speak, and we could talk with other things that you get the point. And so the issue is that the blend of why things happen in the world. The blending of the answer is it's really never just one thing, it's usually a mosaic of reasons, God allows it.
Could he desires to the greater good for his greater glory.
It shapes us, molds us and breaks us more dependent upon him. God can use such bad things for his greater glory. For example, the crucifixion and things like that and what we need to do is move through them as I've been teaching to the book of Ruth.
For example, a little lick, who was in Israel took his sons during a famine and went to the mold blend of Moabite was pagan area and then they married Moabite women and then what happened was 11 lakh and his two sons died and so they present it died and all of the type in the command. Naomi, the wife came back to Israel with Ruth, who was one of the brides were the sons right where the sun and they came back and Ruth became one of the women in the genealogy of Jesus. God is able to use famines and deaths and all kinds of things for a long term down the road greater good that we often don't even remember are even aware so there's got some of the stuff let's get on to Ryan from Pennsylvania right welcome around here, thank you very much for my call and thank you for inviting me to call. Have a question about Matthew 2217 a great health therefore would think without the lawful to give tribute to Caesar or not, but you would recognize is that why The shelter.
The tribute money in the bottom of having his image and inscription description that had catered them, render therefore unto Caesar the things which he and onto God things with your God at her youth. A couple of times over the last couple weeks that everything is under the Lordship of Christ is disperse a clear demarcation that there is something better not everything else did he not say give to Caesar what is Caesar's, that means the Lord of Christ telling us what to do, even in that situation while I was in his tracks. I Jesus give Jesus give instruction on what to do in that category absolutely a demonstration of his learning later admitted clear demarcation of the kingdom of God.
So you know about Jesus is not Lord over even the second around. Well… According to the Scripture of a group of pretty clear demarcation. Okay, so you think it's a demarcation what he says good decision with long procedures talk in the context of the law of God has himself set up systems demonstrates his sovereignty over them as well. Right back at the state seven mass Y call 77077 charismatic slave what we're looking at Matthew pretty clear that the demarcation between the fingers, fingers and finger.
God finger God.
She said yeah and diverse.
Jesus is God right so Gail, you could talk about the work of Christ to cover everything that's bursting to show that there is a clear demarcation between non-finger of God than the fingers of God and distinctive seizures.
So things of Caesar test of the government right right okay and in Romans 13 wonders no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God's to God establish those governmental systems. Okay, so you're one of the unpacking thumping from Roman and imposing upon Matthew now and imposing upon Matthew I said does Romans teach that God establishes a governmental systems okay so is God.
Lord over what he establishes well according to their the demarcation between what it is and what is God, so is God. Lord over all that he creates well. According to this, there is a clear demarcation to different engine is the is God, Lord of all that he creates us the question yes or no for an answer is yes entity.
The government status under his Lordship in Jesus is God's with Lordship and so he's not saying that is not Lord over over Caesar says render to Caesar what Caesar the things are God God and there is a division between secular and sacred. Absolutely there is doesn't mean the second. The secular is excluded from the Christian's obligation to live properly in the secular realm and submit. Even the secular authorities to the word of God while you are correct in your interpretation of Romans 13. That means that God is also established communism and socialism dictatorship and fascism… Whole variety of other Bob governmental systems that extend highly destructive over Bob over human history. Well what were saying here is that God is the one who institutes religion may not all systems please.
Everything is under his Lordship what is done in them and with them and through them is the failure and responsibility of the individual. The biblical pattern of government is of representation and private property, self-defense, things like that. This is the biblical position and communism is an example which negates that works against Scripture, but God certainly allows these things to work in his sovereignty and he is Lord over all of them and even those inside of the communist rule to subject when they do inside a communism to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Aragorn after the Bill of Rights the first amendment of the Bill of Rights establishes freedom of religion and freedom of speech, correct yes okay that not an explicit contradiction for the first three of the 10 Commandments that you shall have no other gods before your engine shall not.click alert member you mean having freedom of speech and freedom of religion and freedom of religion. Yeah, we don't have freedom of religion according to the 10 Commandments we don't have freedom of speech to look at the Lord's mammogram only get worse than any other god other than him making mistake of thinking that when God prescribes is also with your gains in the same sense, because what he's doing in Exodus 20, 10 Commandments is talking about the moral obligation of all people, and specifically talking to the covenant Israel not have an inner God before him. The Constitution have is a secular document and says that all the really worship whoever and whatever you want God even allows that in the Old Testament. He allows people to levels God sets her choice average or before the good of the comforter on the Bible and a lot of it was yes. Well, so the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights is an explicit contradiction of the continental methanol comes from the Bible the context of the Bill of Rights and freedom of religion was in contradiction and standing against the oppressive rule. The state church from a pagan governmental system having that's why it was established like that we have the right of our own free religious expression is not a perfect expression of the biblical truth.
Nothing ever is about my God's perfect expression his old ungrateful all people ought to worship the true living God, but he certainly allows them not to as well. Evidence documented in the Old Testament well but my product over time. We have the bug freedom of religion and freedom. According to catheter but we don't have the Bob's, the burden of faith and freedom of religion according to the Gunter mammoth Eric with the couple he thought does it say and believe there is a saying the 10 Commandments figure to stop anybody from worshiping a false God also have no other gods before me. Doesn't understand it's the morning statement in any truth. That's right – anatomy of what it's called envelope growth will are you familiar with the treat of prescriptive and permissive will of God. If I am not a corker that would contradict okay on.
We had discussions before and you think your logical a lot of areas in the Heights and the decrees of prescriptive and permissive wells of God are not contradictory to the tree trunk of eternal decrees of God. Certainly government certain authorities would probably just like he permitted the crucifixion to occur, which is a violation of Levitical law.
Well according to the door and the Westminster confession of bright everything that occurred occurs because God willed absolute because we have the decline in the lead of the prescriptive will and the permissive wells from nothing occurred. That is my current God. If that is true. It is at all evil.
Altman and all suffering is God… Is responsible for not enough for now. You need to study the difference between ultimate causation, proximate causation and efficient causation. If you decide if everything is currently thought it was John understand with the through the differences are between those three things you cannot allow the approximate different to the proximate and efficient causes. Well, I never got. I understand that but I'm not going to describe my part. It felt okay so you apparently you don't know what they are and you have to understand these the difference between efficient and the proximate causation is one of culpability. So you need to study this is us in it. It's an issue that we discussed in Christian theology, apologetics, and it's a level you're intelligent and and and unlocking you you are you should be able easily to understand these things and then see where the issue lies and you also should mount and also look upon karma.
The issue of who numbered Israel because David numbered Israel.
Satan moved him to number Israel the end of the Lord moved him to number Israel. And yet David was the one responsible and who sent in class gets into nonetheless. Well, nonetheless.
If the Westminster confession of faith is correct and thank at all. Think occur according to God's will is not responsible for all evil, all suffering and often the Bible says that example God works all things after the counsel of his will. Do you agree with that verse in Ephesians 111 God works all things after the counsel of his will. While that is true, then there is and I do not agree with the statement that God works all things after the counsel of his will.
You agree to disagree with that statement about the Scripture says that you.okay then then you have to admit that God works all things, even evil things according to the counsel of his will correct well well again if you got it all right logic, which is what I'm talking about and that is not what I just asked you and I met and I'm asking you to stick to answer also have been obtained an inheritance has been predestined according to his purpose who works all things after the counsel of his will.
This is all things include evil things are okay, so that he works even evil things after the counsel of his will sleep the problem you have is not understanding the difference between the ultimate cause.
The proximate cause and efficient cause, as well as at the creative will promote prescriptive will and the permissive will.
This is where you study these nervously problems become evident and it you need to cite we move along. Rick, RK surrounded study those you need to do all right.
Let's get on to see from CJ from Boise.
Luckily on the shipment so I won't actually ask about a middle knowledge I so I am a compatible list myself.
I'm on my I kind of I don't understand and what's the big hubbub is about. With the idea middle knowledge Lane the meal. I have a family versus easily get back middle knowledge that after these messages, please. Matt's leg why call 770776 charismatic/builder all right already got the breaker so middle knowledge okay so what's what's tissue with so my equipment so I am also performed and also an apology… But a lot and a lot of quality daycare who are also performed kind of thing to advocate huge if you would like the idea that God could possibly know the counterfactual but it seems to me like I almost did grant sure Mullet is a could totally admit that I don't I feel I can only work on a work form the model this and has withdrawn mitochondrial because it uses libertarian free will and imposes that into the foreknowledge of God is a problem for the deny total depravity will and and so I do understand that there is I get there right, but the kind of illustrate a part of my problem is like you while you familiar with the genre like ultimate history section you like an alien comes in its gas over Nazi Germany and in the other novel about that what you really good now. I'm actually quite bent and some of them right all the kind of in a regular like they just laugh a question like what it thought Napoleon did a lot of like that that make fiction out of the right and the yellow point is that the guys really good history and all that it can speculate on counterfactual seems to me like as man could speculate on the counterfactual that God would know that counterfactual will is that a lot Dale list backup so before the creation of the universe God has existed, and he has all knowledge is no place gain knowledge under any condition and the rendition includes any possibility of existence which ultimately couldn't exist.
Must God decide to bring into existence before anything was made to be bringing something okay before God incarnate before God made anything he knows all he knew all things potential. The only thing actual at that time was himself and he so he would know an intra-Trinitarian eternal communion all things about himself exhaustively. He would therefore also know all things potential that could exist if you do bring it into existence. He brought then let's say one of those eternal threads into existence. So out of an infinite number of potentially different number possible existences. He actualized one of them, but he would know all potential existences because that is requirement inside of of his omniscience middle knowledge or counterfactual is within fall into this category.
There natural to God is a natural knowledge of God says that he knows all things are possible and logically necessary if he knows all things possible that he knows all the counterfactual's as well write exactly that and my point there with that is likely we could affirm that God knows the counterfactual wouldn't it be a better argument just to stay I can grant middle knowledge of it, but it only works on the form model rather than thing that allowed I would say is not because of her form model but not knowledge exist because the speaking God knows all things actual potential vessel which is part of this is assets will be hit.
We have to further discuss with the doctrine of the depth of the nature the doctor. The Trinity is now I know that your user in Boise everything go to to Josh's church. When we go to well whatever, but I do want to meet with you guys when you have a big discussion about this since it someplace have coffee talk about, but the idea here is that the idea is that we have to understand the different actuality potentiality, but all actualities were potential and and God acted upon the potentiality to bring it into existence and so therefore all middle nozzle can reflect actuals are part of God's eternal knowledge. But God is actually only want the problem with middle knowledge was to be with Mormonism as it affirms libertarian free will, and therefore it says part of God's knowledge.
In the future is what free will. Creatures will do whether there were see Christ are not what we know is reformed people that's never going to happen so it cannot be part of the potential possible knowledge about a potential knowledge of God in us around what he knows all possible events that cannot be possibility where the knowledge would include that which is impossible.
The impossible is that unbelievers of their own free will without the assistance of God would believe in God. This is not possible.the Scripture Revelation.total depravity. So mulling this error in that side saying that the definition libertarian free will and not compatible is free will and that's with the problem.
Main problem make sense.
So would it be absolutely and actually think that it found likely was a greater delay for a day when debating with a mole and it that while I act that the philosophical premise of middle knowledge I do not think that the philosophical idea that is monism right when I do with mulling this is. I say look, I don't accept your libertarian position. That's what it comes down to. They want to presuppose the validity of human free will that works in concert with the sovereignty of God within the libertarian sense is not restricted by total depravity. That's on biblical that's why monism falls apart that I totally agree with you on that one, we can definitely doubling the upper accommodation actually turned by the vehicle was the covert biography. I was a stupid reality out there. You know, in which your every method that will actually I've also will be out talk were called in on the program. I've also emailed before. I don't know if you get the idea that you needed a guide by talking about. Thankfully, because I wanted you to. I meant that all you right. I want you to return to formal in person debate that I think are much more edifying, and though I actually had an email at it if you would be interested in a debate on whether or not.
Terry and though to lift our brothers not because I do believe that they are no.I want that is not semantically thickly brothers incidentally through their ignorance, but not when you get to the level of knowledge where the Trinitarian view was denied and the true incarnation is also denied because they get into the story and error you know of that is.
But we can talk about Wellington's yeah and what if you are in the end of your I'll bring IN militant radio show bickering and I would be if and when I got to formal debate on it. You think I never want to get returned in person debate but also number two. I do think the important issue and I do quite respected ministry sure what I think is just from the bay.
We should just sit and talk sometime and explain to you the in-depth necessity. The Trinitarian covenant governmental aspect and the redemptive work and also why the oneness position actually denies the atonement. What I have been that of all the doubts that is not to say that every one.
This person understands this because I believe people can be saved. Different levels of understanding what I do as I say theologically speaking, if anyone holds this theological perspective, the Mutual believer because we get into the issue of of Aiken with Nestorianism is the other two persons in the one person of one body of Christ and the divine person was talking to the human person will then if Jesus is incarnate and how was he incarnate in light of hypostatic union with was called the committee got to enjoy a bottle and in who's talking to who and how is it true incarnation, and he gets more complicated but it it then weakens the idea of the incarnation and sufficiency. The atoning sacrifice we debating this, the Trinity, with that one. The sky in a couple weeks of admitting a lot of oneness. We need to do the necessary ramifications of the jury logically also want to get to God is immutable and rated.
Now some bishop in the Asia Bishop guys some bigwig to see if I can find out who it is with guided by your statement 1 and I thought you did an excellent job that I bought the ability to resolve the like all the lot better not be added or some other use. I can bring against modal is for example the issue of the one in the many in the issue. The manifestation of full personhood and eternal cents. How does God manifest full personhood with one person existing for eternity. In the past is no full manifestation of that is that as a problem and then there's the issue of solitude because it were meeting with God.
Genesis 126 and we are in torture were alone in it that's it Jimmy to put in a room with no light, no heat know this know that just food but you know fellowship is torture and it is God like that God has us in that similar situation who was a fellow shipping with eternally oneness people don't have answers for this. They can't solve these problems. And that's the end of enters issue the one minute was more philosophical to get into the nature of transcendentalism particulars and held only the Trinitarian view can provide a necessary precondition for such intelligibility. Oneness cannot discuss more complicated stuff, but I can document some time audit and that this sort of what idea you did mention a story and and that sort of hammer that my big objections with the letter, not both brothers and our brothers and is one example. But if you look at the history of Christianity and persecution. One of the most famous eras of Christian martyrdom and that is actually Japan in the 1600s route when there is not about watering, adding some of the most vicious way that it never got done like hyper say there yet and rapidly, but the thing is, though, you start to look at those guys right and all of the week that the overwhelming majority of the Japanese Christians in a story almost to a man to deal with things like the Orthodox idea of hypostatic union does evening on Japan and also in China as well.
The candidate popularity. Not quite, but there's a confident eyelids in the level of understanding in certain areas.
You can be saved in varying letter levels of ignorance and that's the name I was taught we had to get into that okay we are, we don't have call waiting, such as you and me versus okay so I guess a couple minutes to seeks a good 70 saved, not knowing the physical resurrection of Christ. I think you of course they could.
It's possible once they come to understand it all accepted because a regenerate.
Can you be stay without understanding the doctor the Trinity.
Of course you can exist that people come to a knowledge of the stuff when you have official documents like oneness or Motorola's little Americanism and this is an official position. This needs be condemned as a damnable heresy. It doesn't mean that everyone this person is going to hell.
It means that the doctrine itself will lead to further errors, it leads to the ultimately the deficiency in the person of the incarnation of Christ, and that affects the nature of the atoning work and that these are this is why so serious as a that's why it needs on that level needs be denounced. But I made a oneness person. I don't assume right away that are going to hell I to say maybe some understand stuff now what I thought I had another question I got I would want that and I know it that the little bit too deep to the other one thought I'd appreciate. Generally there, but just a quick question for you time left for so there'd be if you I they were formed first, and think that DI be libertarian free will position if followed with logical conclusion goes so far as the very nature of God potentially gives the very least Millie but okay You arrive at goblin say that with CJ from Boise talking to him. Have a great weekend.
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