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And hey, so I had a busy day today. Talked to some people in Africa. We're going to be trying to get some radio shows going in Africa.

One in Nigeria, one in maybe Malawi, maybe one in, I think it's Nigeria, Kenya, Nigeria, and Malawi. And what we're trying to do is, I'm asking because I want you to pray. That's all, just pray.

Pray for the Lord to be gracious to us and to bless the effort. So what we're trying to do is get some guys there whom I've been interviewing, I've known for a while. We had these meetings. I test their theology. I test their gospel presentation.

I refine some things. And the goal, hopefully, is to get them on the radio at least once a week. Maybe only a half hour, but the idea is to preach the gospel.

We don't have a lot of money, and we're going to see if we can get this going. I've been told some amazing things, some bad stuff that's going on in Nigeria. I think it was Nigeria. So a guy said that some churches are actually offering sacrifices of doves or pigeons in order to help atone for sin. And they're supposed to be churches.

And some other aberrant, wacko stuff. Some churches teach, a lot of churches teach that you have to be baptized to be saved. A lot of people don't know that Jesus is God.

And the positive confession movement is rampant. There is this idea that you have to name it and claim it and that you can become rich and wealthy and things like that. It's a false gospel that's being preached out there. And he said that in one place, thousands of people would get into the river without any clothes on. And then something to do with money upstream, and they're supposed to wash away sins and some other stuff.

It's just aberrant stuff out there. And so what we're hoping to do is get the gospel message preached, the gospel message of justification by faith alone through Christ alone. The doctrine of the Trinity, the two natures of Christ, resurrection, no need for baptism to be saved. You're supposed to get baptized, of course.

And various things like that. So let me just tell you that theological teaching is what is needed. Now when I say theological teaching, I don't mean you have to have eight books and write 18 pages, 20 page each reports on the Trinity.

I'm not talking like that. But the idea of them being able to articulate what the Trinity is, who Jesus is, he's a man right now, why he was baptized, what justification is, what imputation is, these are the basics of the Christian faith. A lot of pastors don't even know this stuff here in America.

But it's even worse in third world countries. And so we're hoping that by God's grace, excuse me, that by God's grace that we'll be able to rectify a lot of the problems there. You know, they don't have really good Internet. And so they're talking about getting this radio going. And maybe we might do a webinar out there, instead of me flying out to Africa and speaking, then maybe what we'll do is some webinars. We can have people there in that context. So we're going to be praying about this and asking people to pray for us and join us in that as well.

Africa really needs us. Now look, here's the thing. Let's just say that this Word of Faith, New Episodic Reformation, idiocy, is prevalent in an area. Now what people will do is think that the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Caucasian surfer Jesus is there to give you a wonderful life and increase your health and increase your bank account. That's what Christianity is being pitched as to a lot of people. That way it gets them into the church and they'll be tied to get more money, blessings coming from God. So people who are duped by this false teaching will go into church, they'll try Jesus in that way, but then their lives doesn't get better after a few months.

Maybe they don't get a better job, they don't get whatever they want. Well, I tried Jesus, so what else is there? Hence, enter Islam. And this is what we're trying to help stop, because Islam is increasing in Africa, so also is Christianity. But if a false gospel is taught in Africa, then false converts abound and of course the cults and false religious systems will increase. Mormonism is there as a cult, Jehovah's Witnesses is there as a cult, one that's been accostal is there also as another cult. The doctrines of the truth are buried under various heresies, half-truths, and flat-out lies from the enemy who has worked through his present-day prophets and apostles to be able to restore the true church, blah, blah, blah.

And so people don't know what the Bible actually teaches, and then they succumb to these kinds of lies, and in the comfort of their lives, they think everything's going to be good and it's not. All right, so we're going to be praying about this more and asking for information on radio stuff, and apparently there's some open slots there, and so in a week or two or three or four or five, what we're going to do is move forward and buy some radio time out there. And then the guys who I'm working with are going to be doing prearranged audiotapes, and they just give them to the radio station and they put them on. So one of the guys, he's a doctor, a doctor has a doctorate in Christian theology, went over theology with him, and let's just say that there's always people who need to learn a little bit more. So he presented the gospel, and it was really neat. He presented it in a really easy-to-understand way, and it was really great. He just read the stuff that he's going to be doing, and I just got a big kick out of it.

It was great. So that's that. I'm just praising God about this as the opportunity, even as Christianity is being looked down upon and stuff like that. I've always believed that I don't care how bad it gets, preach the gospel. I don't care what it looks like out there, preach the gospel. Get it going. God will open up the doors and things happen. And I just say, here's my philosophy. Trust God and go. That's it.

Real simple. Trust him, move forward, go. If the door's open, keep going. If they close, go a different direction. If they keep closing, then stop, reassess, pray, and then take off again and go do something. You know, it might take a year or two or three.

Who knows? But that's what I believe in. And so if that sounds good, well, praise God. Hey, you could lift us up and the whole issue's of prayer. We need to be bathing this in prayer.

So thank you very much. And look, what's with you guys? You've got five open lines. 877-207-2276.

Give me a call. After that meeting, I get on and I was interviewed by an atheist, and he's asking all the questions, or a lot of the questions, I should say, that tend to be, well, seen as embarrassing to Christianity. Why would God kill all the babies in the flood? Isn't that wrong for God to kill babies in the flood? I said, no. Why would you say that's wrong? And he said, look, it's just wrong.

You shouldn't do that. I said, who said? Who are you? And we get talking, and I said, look, guy.

And he was a nice guy. I said, look, I'm being easy on you. I said, I would love it if we could just talk about what justifies your feeling of resentment and your condemnation of this.

You don't have anything to offer. I said, God has a right to do with his creation as he desires. And besides that, everybody is born by nature sinful, and he has a right to deliver them into the righteous judgment. Well, I just don't think that's right. It's not reducing harm. Well, what makes you think that reducing harm is the right standard?

Who are you? And I was trying to pin him just a little bit, but I said, look, it's your show. I'm being nice.

I'm being easy on you. And he kind of chuckled, and I said, if you ever want to really discuss this, let me know, and we can really get down to the brass tacks about it. So that went on for a while, and he was a nice enough guy.

I'll admit that. And then I had a 43-minute interview with Eric Johnson from MRM, Mormonism Research Ministry. And if you go to karmvideos.com, I don't think it'll be up today, but I think in a week or two, I don't know, a few days, whatever. He's going to put the URL, the link to our interview, and what it is is talking about the Israel trip where I say, hey, what about COVID? What about this? What about that? And we just talk, and it's not a big deal.

You don't have to watch anything. But it's for people who want to go to Israel with us next year, and I'll be going, and my wife should be going, and to get to find out really in person how obnoxious I really am and how irritating I really am. My wife will just, she just goes, that's right.

Amen. And then you'll have a lot of sympathy for my wife, and she'll be the new person they'll be praying for in your life. You'll say, how did you put up with this? For all these years, you'll say, by the grace of God. Because I'm a little obnoxious and irritating, she says sometimes. I say, well, then, honey, I'm going to have to perfect those spiritual gifts.

And then she rubs her forehead a lot. All right, Four Open Lines, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Eric just let me know. He says the karmisrael.com, the video's up. So if you want to go check it out, you can go to karmisrael.com and check it out.

If you have questions about the trip, just email them at ericatmrm.org, Mormonism Research Ministry, MRM. It's only three letters. My website for KARM is four letters.

You don't find those anymore. Oh, boy, how about that? Slick and quick, right? All right, let's get on the phones with Ed from Charlotte, North Carolina. Ed, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah, I heard you were saying to pray to God. I'm just curious what God would you say to pray to? The Christian God.

The what? The Christian God is your only true God. The Christian, what's his name? What's God's name? Well, he reveals his name as I Am. I Am. That's his name, I Am.

I Am. I thought in the King James Version, Psalms 8318, it says Jehovah is his name, the creator of all things. Psalm 8318, huh?

Yeah, Psalms 8318 in the King James Version. It says that in the King James Version? Actually, the King James I'm looking at says Lord.

The new King James. Oh, then it says Jehovah in the 1900s. So why do you think it's Jehovah? Because Jehovah's name was in the Bible more than any other name. And man took Jehovah's name out of the Bible. And the King James Version, it's been reduced only four times.

Wow. Well, let me ask you, do you know how the word Jehovah came into existence? I believe through the inspired word by him. Jehovah's an English word.

Okay. It's not in the Hebrew. I believe Jehovah is our Heavenly Father's name, and that's the name. That's who I pray to. Okay, well hold on.

I'm not a cult member, and I'm not another cult. Well, I don't know that yet. Yeah, I don't know that yet, but look, let's look at what the Bible says here. Moses said to God, Behold, I'm going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you. Now they may say to me, What is his name?

What shall I say to them? God said to Moses, I am who I am. And he said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I am has sent me to you. I can't help you re-written the Bible. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

I can't help that. Hold on a sec, hold on a sec. Jehovah's name is in the Bible more than any other name in history.

Please, you need to be patient, and stop over-talking. I'm asking you, okay, question. I'm just reading what it says here in Exodus 3.14. It says, I am who I am.

That's what God says his name is. Okay? I am, I am.

I was looked at myself as my son. We've got a break. Wait, we've got a break. Hold on, we've got a break. Hold on. We've got a break. I want you to stay tuned, okay?

Because we'll hopefully get to that issue. Let me get back after the break. Three open lines, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, before we get back into that same topic, because the caller about the name of Jehovah left, and I want to talk about it, but I want to let you know that we're doing an experiment on the CARM website. If you go to the CARM home page and you look, you'll be able to see the article, The New Society, and we're just using that as a test. You can click on that article, The New Society, and we've opened it up to comments. That's the only article on the entire site. We're doing that too, so if you want to read the article, make comments in there, we would love that. We're using it as an experiment to see how many articles we might do that to so that when we release stuff, people can comment, and then after a while, we will stop having the comments, and then those comments become part of the overall presentation of that article permanently.

So maybe, maybe not, but we'll see how that's going to work. So if you're interested, just go to CARM and click on the home page right now. If you listen to this later and it's not there, just go to navigation or go to the search and just type in The New Society and you'll check it out. It's about what's happening with our new society and the leftist agenda that's going on. No absolute God, LGBT, abortion rights, homosexuality rights, big tech, censorship.

I list some things in there so you can check it out. All right, so Jehovah. Jehovah is just simply the anglicized pronunciation of Yahweh. Yahweh is the attempt to pronounce the name of God in Hebrew, which is the tetragrammaton, the four letters of God's name, which is I am, Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh, and this is his name. What he says in Exodus 3, 14 and 15, my name is I am. That's what it is.

It's I am. And so we get Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh from the verb to be. And so it's just the way of pronouncing. It's called a transliteration. Like in Spanish, la mesa is the table. And so what we would do is just transliterate it L-A and then a space M-E-S-A.

That's just la mesa, and it becomes a city name now. So it's just a transliteration. And amen is the Hebrew so be it, and it became amen or amen or whatever you want to call it in the Greek. And so it's a transliteration, a pronunciation. That's what it is. So Yahweh is simply the transliteration pronunciation of the Hebrew to be, and then it became anglicized into Jehovah, but there is no J sound in the Hebrew.

So when people say this, they generally are just not well educated on the particular issue of why that is like that. And the reason they don't use Yahweh, which I think they should. I think you should put in Y-H-W-H.

I like that personally. It was the Jews who decided to substitute that name for Adonai, pronouncing it Adonai, which means Lord, because they did not want to mispronounce the name of God. And so that's why it's done in Bibles like that, the word L-O-R-D instead of Yahweh, because no one knows how to pronounce it.

And that's why it was done that way. It's nothing malicious, nothing sinister. But a lot of people who hold this kind of stuff, well, you've got to say the right name, and if you don't say it, you can't go to heaven, and stuff like that.

They say, well, it's just a plot to get the name of God. It's like, take your right hand, put it in front of your face, look to your left, now slap yourself upside the hip, and stuff like that. Hey, folks, we have four open lines. Why don't you give me a call?

877-207-2276. Josh from Texas. Josh, welcome.

You are on the air. Hey, Hank, how you doing? Hey, doing okay.

What's up, man? My question was, I actually bought a knife from a gas station, and I didn't realize it at first, but it has a Grim Reaper on it. And so I was just kind of wanting to ask if that's something that, I know you would talk about objects and symbols and stuff like that, and so I was just kind of wanting to know your take on if that's something that's not good. I didn't realize it at first, but yeah.

Well, it's kind of a subjective thing. So I bought a knife at some place, and then I saw it's a Grim Reaper on there. I wouldn't panic. I probably wouldn't use it because I don't like that symbol.

That's all. And I probably just put it away, use it as a toolbox in the garage and something like that. That's the thing I carry. I have a knife I carry a lot of times.

You push the thumb up on the little knob, and the blade flicks out really fast, and you push it back, and it flicks back. And I've used it a few times. It's just a tool, and I like things clean and stuff like that. But if you decide to keep it and use it that way, it's not going to be a big deal. You don't want to use anything with a symbol as a representation of power.

This is why I've got this. It represents power. It represents what I think about.

No, we don't want to do that. But if it's just something that you got, what if someone gave it to you as a present? It's a Grim Reaper on it. You'd do, sorry, can't take it. I've got to throw it in the trash.

No. It'd be like, oh, thanks. And you look at the Grim Reaper, and you go, well, that's not what I would have picked out.

You don't say it. And then just tuck it away someplace if you want, or if you feel like you can carry it and it's not a problem, then fine. It's not that big a deal. Yeah, I think it's not like it's a Baphomet or pentagram or something like that.

It's sort of, I guess, the idea of the Grim Reaper kind of falls into sort of philosophy or something, or kind of ancient, stuff like that. Yeah. Now, what if it was a pentagram on there?

You know, because you raise it, it's a good issue. It was a pentagram. You know, me- Or a Baphomet. Oh, you mean, oh, yeah, I got you. The goat thing? I know what that is, yes. It's a demonic manifestation, a depiction of God. I mean, oh, my goodness. Sorry about that. Of the devil, you know, with the goat's head and things like that.

So, you know, something like that, where it's definitely occultic. Now, this is just me. Me, I would just get rid of it. You know, I would probably just destroy it as a symbol of my dedication to my Lord, not to carrying anything like that.

So, that's just me, you know? So, you got a little Grim Reaper, whatever. To me, it's not that big a deal. Some people might take umbrage with that, but, you know.

But then again, what if- Yeah, I think with that- Go ahead. I think with that, it's kind of like a form of art, just because, I mean, I also listen to a lot of heavy metal and death metal and stuff like that, and I look at a lot of that as just kind of an artistic expression, and a lot of people don't understand that, and so they look at it as something that's really, like, you know, evil and stuff like that. But there's so many different forms of art that if you looked at it, if you didn't see it as, you know, art and stuff like that, then you would see it as something that's evil. Well, here's the thing about that. You know, if I were into researching the occult and I had to collect various occult symbols, that's different than just collecting them because I like them.

But for research, for the purpose of exposing them is a good thing. Now, when we get to heavy metal, which I know quite a bit about, we'll talk about after the break, okay? Because we'll talk about that and what level of art is acceptable and when it's not, okay?

We'll talk about that when we get back to the break. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, 4 Open Lines, give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Welcome back to the show, everyone. We have 4 Open Lines. I want you to give me a call, 877-207-2276. So give me a call. Let's get back to Josh from Texas.

Josh, are you there? Yes. All right. Now, about art. There are different levels of art and there's a gray area when it comes to art. Some people will have art like the statue of David, which is just a beautiful statue. It's a great work of art and he is quite naked and that's art, but then sometimes people might have naked art and it's pornographic. Where is a dividing line?

It's difficult to ascertain. With the issue of music, you know, I've heard of stuff like grindcore and death metal. I can't see them as glorifying God. And some people might say, well, they're art.

Well, that doesn't mean it's okay. Ultimately, biblically, all art should ultimately, for the Christian, glorify God. Now, that's not to say that we can't appreciate a movie that doesn't glorify God or some music that doesn't glorify God per se because we live in the real world and we want to enjoy various things.

But we have to draw a line someplace and say, no, I won't go beyond this. And so, you know, I'm a guy who likes heavy metal. I like every kind of music, actually, from classical to heavy metal. I don't like country western and I certainly don't like polka and I don't like Chinese opera or some others. I don't like country western. Anyway, so I like basically everything else.

But I draw the line on certain areas. I say, no, I'm not going to listen to that. There are some songs that are just so good.

They sound so great, but you find yourself humming the lyrics and some of the lyrics are just ungodly. So I say, nope, I'm not going to participate in that, even though it's art. So what I do is try and use my freedom with wisdom and not listen to stuff that's going to be ungodly. I don't want those words in my head. I don't want those images in my head.

I want to draw the line at the place I draw the line at. And I don't want to stumble others with that. There's good Christian heavy metal, as an example, and there's some good stuff out there. So there's skillet, you know. I mean, that's pretty rock to heavy metal, kind of. And you can check that out.

Or the old striper back in the 80s, they did pretty good. And so there's stuff that we can listen to. Be careful what it is that we are listening to and not justify just because we say it's art. Okay? That make sense? Okay, yeah. Yeah, thanks, son. Let's not use our freedom to indulge in something that is ungodly.

That's the point. All right? Right. All right. Thank you. All right, well, God bless. Have a good one, boss.

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877-207-2276. Let's get to Ryan from Pennsylvania. Ryan, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. How are you?

I'm doing well. Yeah, I'm a student on your CARMS school, and that's been a great resource for learning more about theology. So thank you for that.

You're welcome for that. I have two sisters who they've been divorced and remarried, and I was wondering, is that something that they need to repent of? Depends. And then what is that repentance in that situation? So if they sinned in their divorce, then there needs to be a confession of repentance, a confession and stuff.

Let me go through some variations of this. So let's just say that there's a man and a woman that are married, and one of them commits adultery, and the other is being faithful. And a divorce is a result of this adultery. The one who did not commit adultery is free to remarry another person. And if that person marries another, that person has nothing to repent of. Let's just say that man and woman are married, and they just get divorced for unbiblical reasons, and we'll get into that in a sec. They get married, excuse me, they get divorced for an unbiblical reason. They just, I don't like you anymore. You know, I just, whatever.

I'll just see you later. And they get divorced. That's not grounds for divorce. Then they remarry. Then they have technically sinned.

In the fact that their divorce was unbiblical, and now they are joining themselves with another, I would say that that is sinful also. Now what do they do? Let's say they've been remarried, and they realize, wait a minute. I really blew it in that divorce, and now I'm married.

Now what do I do? And what you do is that person, they would just go confess that sin to the Lord, maybe talk to an elder or pastor of the church, get this off their chest, bring it before God, confess that it was sin, and then continue on in that marriage as they are, and don't get divorced because then that's just adding another sin upon it. And so that's what you would do.

That's what I would recommend that people do, is if they realize they've done this and they've sinned in that respect, then confess it and move on, but not get divorced again just to make it right because that's not adding goodness to it. It's a problem. That make sense? Yeah, it makes sense.

Thank you. Is it okay to, like if the woman was divorced by the man, is it better for her to not remarry? Depends. If she was the adulterous, and let's say she was a Christian or claims to be a Christian and knew better and committed adultery and then he divorces her, because of that, well, she's not free, but he is. It doesn't mean that people don't get remarried anyway, and then that's where they move from that condition on.

If he was the one who was an adulterer or didn't, because the grounds for divorce in the Bible are abandonment and adultery. So let's say he abandons her. He just says, I don't want anything to do with you anymore. She's willing to work on it, and he's the one who leaves, let's just say. He either commits adultery or he just says, I'm just done with you. I don't like you anymore.

I'm leaving. And she's willing to work on it, but he leaves, and he divorces her. She's innocent.

She's free to remarry. Okay? Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. You're welcome. I hope that answers it.

Yes, it does. Thank you. All right, man. God bless.

All right. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, we have four open lines, 877-207-2276. Let's get to Herb from North Carolina. Herb, welcome. You're on the air. You there? I hit the button. Herb, I'm calling you.

Hello? Okay. I was just curious about what's your position on the age of the Earth and why?

Oh, I believe the age of... I have to... Yeah, I don't believe the Earth has... I have to listen to you on the radio. I can't hear you on the phone. Oh, okay. That's fine. That's fine. I don't believe that the Earth is millions of years old, and I think there's sufficient evidence to demonstrate that it... Oops, there he goes. Let me turn that off. There's sufficient evidence, and I'll read some, to have a young Earth, and that the Bible certainly implies a young Earth, and so that's what I hold to for the biblical reasons.

Now, what do we do with the idea that the Earth is millions and billions of years old? I'll tell you what I'll do. I'm going to read some stuff to you, and I do a lot of work on... Let's see. Go over here to this. Let me do this. There we go. There we go.

So, I'm going to do some reading here on dating stuff, and there's some problems with the dating methods. Now, you can understand something about evolution. Evolution, macroevolution of speciation, not just speciation, but phyla formation. Phyla is a body type, like a horse is a body type, a fish is a body type, a bird is a body type, et cetera. Different body types are called phyla.

And so evolution, macroevolution, teaches body type development over millions of years. Well, if there's not millions of years, then the theory of evolution just falls apart. Well, one of the things you probably have heard about is carbon dating, so let me just talk about this. There's nobody waiting.

Maybe after the break as well. So carbon dating is using carbon-14. Now, carbon-12, carbon-13 are stable carbon atoms, but carbon-14 has to do with how many neutrons there are, and we have too many. And so what happens is that carbon-14 is an unstable isotope.

What this means is that by this existing, it will have what's called a half-life of 5,730 years, which means after 5,730 years, half of the mass of it has just automatically disappeared just by existing, because the atoms do weird things to themselves, electrons, photons, neutrons, all that stuff. And it just becomes less because of stuff. Now, this is important. This is important. I'm going to explain why when we get back on the break.

I'm going to talk about other dating methods and stuff like that. It's important, and hopefully it'll be interesting as well. So please stay tuned. Five open lines, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Let me give you a little bit of information on the dating stuff, and then we'll get to the call on the Book of Mormon.

It should be interesting. Oh, yeah. I was talking about the carbon-14. Now, why is that so important? Because it turns out that after 100,000 years, there should be no carbon-14 existing in anything. So let's say a squirrel dies and gets buried. Then after 100,000 years, that fossil, that whatever it is under the ground, should not have any carbon-14 in it, because that's just the nature of how carbon-14 works. So it shouldn't have any carbon-14 in it. Well, that's what these scientists say, except they're finding carbon-14 in coal deposits and diamonds, which have a lot of carbon in them, and they're supposed to be millions of years old. There can't be millions of years old if carbon-14's in it. Just cannot be, and yet it's in there.

Oops. Also, Mary Leakey found 400 pieces of a skull in the Olduvie Gorge of Africa. This happened in 1950. And she said it was a hominid ancestor, 1.7 million years old. And this is, I believe, it was Zynjanthropus, yes. And so they did some carbon dating on it and found out that it would be 10,000 to 3,100 years old. Wait a minute.

Why would carbon-14 give Zynjanthropus, which is supposed to be 1.7 million years old according to the rock data, why would it be only 10,000 years old according to the carbon-14? Oops. There's problems. There's problems like this in the evolutionary model. And let me get back to this thing over here. On my notes, that's right, I was going to read a little bit of stuff on dating method.

Now, I'm going to read this slowly because there's some numbers in here, but I'll emphasize this stuff. This is Principles of Isotope Geology, second edition, 1986. Pleistocene, this is an era of ancient earth, millions of years old, they say, OK? Pleistocene to recent lava dated as less than 1.6 million years old from its position in the rock layers, which have been dated as 773 million years old using, this is a dating method, the rubidium strontium dating method. Upper myocene to pleocene lava was dated at 5 to 9 million years old by the potassium argon dating and dated at 31 to 39 million years old by the rubidium strontium dating method. These, the same stuff, the different methods, are getting many, many, many, many millions of years of difference. Now, the first one I said is supposed to be less than 1.6 million years old, the pleistocene lava flow, and yet it's said to be 773 million years old, but yet they know it's not.

That's what the problem is. In another case, lava dated stratigraphically as pleocene to holocene that is less than 5.3 million years old gave rubidium strontium at the dated ages of 570 million years old and 870 million years old. Another pleocene to holocene rock was dated at being 1.5 billion years old by the rubidium strontium method, and a myocene to holocene assigned rock, which is less than 24 million years old, was dated at 1.2 billion years old. In other words, these numbers are probably pretty confusing. In other words, the different methodologies give you different dates.

Here's one more. Another interesting case is the stark contrast between the age of zircon grains and the Jimenez Grenadierite of New Mexico, which date is 1.5 billion years old by the uranium-lead dating method and date only about 6,000 years old by the uranium-helium diffusion method. Now, that's only part of this. Why is it that these dating methods give conflicting stuff by millions and millions and billions of years, and yet the scientists say this is how old everything is? Which method are you going to use?

Which one's the right one? Well, if you presuppose that the Earth is billions of years old, you presuppose evolution's true, then you have to have billions of years old of age. The tests that show something contradictory, well, those can't be true. So this is how it works.

That's only part of the issue. Here's more, and we can get into stuff about polystrate fossils, trees that are vertically fossilized through hundreds of millions of years of rock strata. One single tree, for example, you can't have that. And then I haven't even gotten into the drainage issue of major rivers in inches per 1,000 years and how erosion would occur, and it just means that there can't be millions of years old because the erosion would mean, for example, let's see, the Amazon River, inches per year is 13 inches a year, excuse me, 2.8 inches a year erosion from the Amazon River. And so that means how many feet in 1 million years? That's 233 feet. And in 100 million years, it would be 23,000 feet. So in miles, that's 4.4 miles.

So in other words, if the Amazon is 100 million years old, well, then it would have eroded 4.4 miles down, but it's not what we see, and that's just one of the issues. That's just some of the stuff. I haven't even gotten into other issues of salt. There's a lot of stuff. Anyway, there you go, that's some information. Let's get to Ryan from Utah. Ryan, welcome. You're on the show.

You're on the air. Hey Matt, hey, I appreciate your words on the whole carbon dating BS stuff. I really enjoy science as long as it's true, but I'm interested, I haven't really delved into that too much. That was interesting.

So a quick question. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and in my experience over the last 40 years, give or take, it seems like Christians, they're happy to read books that are written about Jesus Christ from any type of author, and there's obviously thousands and thousands of books all over the place that are good reading, but it seems like in my experience, people are sometimes so afraid of and dismissive of another good book, which obviously I'm sure you have a lot of issues with, but generally speaking, why would people not give at the time of day? I understand your belief that we believe in a different God and so on and so forth, just breaking it down to bare bones, for what it's worth, the quality of its testifying of Jesus Christ, why not give it a chance?

Because it's not true. Jesus says the Law of the Prophets were until John, John the Baptist, that's Luke 16. Joseph Smith claimed to be a true prophet of God. Joseph Smith boasted he did more than even Jesus keep a church together, but Joseph Smith said he saw God the Father, the Bible says he cannot be seen.

I can go into all these details. Well, you're already getting past it. I'm just saying, and I have words to refute that, as far, I mean, like I said, if I write a book about Jesus Christ, you're not willing to read it, you're not willing to look into the good that it might be offering the world to praise the name of Jesus Christ, because I'm not a prophet or because the prophet, I'm not sure I follow. Yeah, but you see, you've got to understand something. Mormonism is not Christian, it teaches a false god, a false Christ, and a false gospel, period. I know, you're already getting back off my question, Matt.

But you don't understand, this is the issue, okay, if you want to talk about this. The Book of Mormon doesn't even contain Mormonism, for one thing. Oh, come on, who taught you that, I mean, are you trusting in the arm of flesh again? Like come on, it's literally on every single page of the Book of Mormon. Excuse me, let me explain, let me explain, let me explain, how many gods are there in Mormonism? Well, there's God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is also part of the Godhead. So that's three gods. And then, just as you and I are able to, because of the grace of Jesus Christ, become heirs and joint heirs with Christ, it's possible, yes, and I know, and once again, to get back to the whole thing, this is because it's a good book, and like why are people afraid of a good book? Okay, we're not afraid.

Can you hold on? I just asked you one question. I just asked you one question. I said how many gods are there in Mormonism? You said at least three. Well, Mosiah 15, 1 says there's only one God. And the Trinity... And if you know as well as I do, Matt, listen, but let me explain that real quick.

Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, I'm going to put you on mute if you don't slow down. And James Talmadge says in Articles of Faith, okay. And this is what you always do, I've called you three times, if you don't let me answer my question.

Okay, I'm taking out what's on hold, okay. So he asked the question, I'm going to answer the question. This is what Mormonism teaches. He asked about the Book of Mormon. So the Book of Mormon says the Trinity is one God, Alma 11, 44, Mosiah 15, 5. James Talmadge, who's an apostle who wrote Articles of Faith, on page 35 says the Trinity is three separate gods.

Which is correct? Mormonism contradicts itself. It says that God is increasing in knowledge, but Joseph Smith said so. But the Book of Mormon says God is unchanging. And Mormonism, God is in the form of a man.

He has a form of a man. But in the Bible, excuse me, the Book of Mormon, Alma 18, 24, it says God is spirit. James Talmadge says, he was one of the 70s quorum, this is produced and sold in Mormonism, in Mormon bookstores, okay, Articles of Faith. Page 55, hell is not eternal, but Jacob in the Book of Mormon, Jacob 3, 11, 6, 10, hell is eternal. Get this, Brigham Young, the second prophet of the Mormon church in Journal of Discourses, volume 3, page 266, said that polygamy was a necessity, and he taught it and practiced it. Yet the Book of Mormon condemns polygamy, Mosiah 11, verses 2 and 4 in Ether 10, 5. And Joseph Smith said that the Book of Mormon was the most correct book of any book on earth. Most correct. And yet it does not have church organization, plurality of gods, plurality of wives, doctrine, word of wisdom, or that God is an exalted man, or celestial marriage, or that men may become gods, three degrees of glory, baptism for the dead, eternal progression, the Aaronic priesthood, or temple works of washing, anointing, and endowments.

So Mormonism is contradicted by the Book of Mormon, and he wants us to trust the Book of Mormon. Now, Ryan, are you there? Could have an honest, what's that? Are you there? I had to put you on hold because you just kept talking.

I'm still there. Did you hear what I read for the Book of Mormon, the problems? I did, and I said it's absolutely correct and true.

So the same is, you get people that call it all the time that have an issue or a difference of opinion, and you let them retort with one topic at a time. So any time I call, you tend to start rattling off scriptures or things, there's a whole list, I'm sure you have pages written on anti-Mormonism stuff, and that's fine. But if you were to allow me at the time, and I know we're very short on time, to retort with any one of those specific doctrines, there's an easy explanation for every single one of them.

There is an easy explanation for every one of them. Well, I'll tell you what, would you like to set up a little dialogue about this? You and I can have a dialogue, we can tape it, and we can publish it later.

And you can tell me how the Book of Mormon... Maybe through email or something? I don't know. Yeah, info.com.org. Okay? That'd be fine. We're out of time. But Ryan, I'd be glad to talk about Mormonism.

I'd love to. All right, man. Mormon is not true.

It's a false book. Hey, but we've got to go, buddy. Call back tomorrow. All right? All right. All right. We're out of time. And Jacob from Wisconsin, call back tomorrow.

Jerry from Indiana. Ooh, comment on God's name. That'd be good to discuss. By the Lord's grace, we'll be back on here tomorrow. Talk to you then, folks. God bless you.