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Yes, sir. How you doing, brother? I'm doing all right, hanging in there, hanging in there. How are you doing here? I I'm told, I'm okay.

Take a go for another day. My question is Who are the nothings? There's different theories about the Nephilim.

Some say that. No, not Nephilim. N the nothing else. The the Nephilim. Yeah, the Nephilim, yes.

No, no, no. The lithonyms. In the camp. What could Levi? Not nuffly, but nothing's.

I don't know what it is. I'm not sure what you're talking about now.

Sorry. In the temple. With the Levites. With the Levites. They were they were the people in this temple.

called methonyms. Nephonyms That's new to me, or I read it and just never. The Nethanim in the temple, uh, the Nethanim, yes, with the Levites. That's interesting. Um They uh let's see, the Levites and Nethanim.

The uh They were people to assist the Levites. That's what they were. Their people. Assisting them.

Okay. I'm going to put that question and I'm going to write an article on this research.

So uh I was wondering what they were because if they were working with the Levites. They might figure me somebody. I just didn't know who they were. Good question. Oh, I opened my Bible program.

I thought I had it open already. And I'll open, I'll put it into the topic thing in my Bible program to see what it says. I'll get to that really quickly. It's opening up, so you gotta hold on one sec.

Sorry about that. Normally I have it running all the time, but I guess my computer did a reboot when it did some update, which I hate, but that's what that is. Let's see. Come on, baby. I'm talking to my computer.

Let's see. There we go. Now The nethonym. The nethonym. And It says What on the I want it what?

It's n it's not fighting anything.

So what I'm going to do is go in and see if I can find anything in Scripture on that. And I don't see anything. Boy, now you got me curious, so I'm going to have to do some research. It's not coming up in my okay. I use things and I know them because.

I was reading um in the part but I I don't know what it might have been I think Brazilian wins. John. And I'm in love with that. those witness even the the Levites were in the temple and the Nethanim were in the wisdom.

Now Master God knows if anybody knows You would know.

Well, hey, thanks for the confidence in me.

Sorry to let you down.

So NETH I'm looking in turn to f uh it's probably what well what version are you using the King James Is that it? Um uh um the I would I use that ES Yes D now lab B S D. Um I use the King James and the yearly.

Well, I'll have to do some research to find it because I'm trying to find even where the the word occurs in the Bible. But I did a put in a research and it says they're assisted, so it must be a different name that we're talking about.

So Uh Uh after looking up. Um Let's see, we've got a little verse right here. Maybe, let's see, Ezra 2:43. Oh man, look at that. Yeah.

A lot of the Neziya Nephthin. Yeah, I don't know. I have to uh I have to I have to just research. That's all I can do. That's all I can tell you, okay?

Okay, I'm gonna go back in mind. If I find it, I'm gonna call you back tomorrow. If I find it, I'll call you tomorrow. I found the word finally. I found it in Ezra.

Maybe I was spelling it wrong. I don't know if I was or wasn't. Methanyme, maybe, at any rate. NET okay, so it says in Ezra 724, we also inform you that it is not allowed to impose tax, tribute, or toil on any priests, Levites, singers, doorkeepers, nephanim, or servants in the house of God.

Okay, so uh I do a search on that word. Hold on. You gotta be curious, you know, it's worth an article. Nothing. Nothing.

uh temple slaves assigned to the Levites and priests for service in the sanctuary. That's what it says.

So interesting. the Nethaneme.

Well, you know, you learn something new every day.

Okay? And that word is 5412. 5412. Let me see how many times it occurs. in the Hebrew.

Five, four, one, two. And it occurs one time. in Ezra seven twenty four.

Okay. Usually when a word occurs once, it's hard to find out exactly what it means. You have to go outside the Bible to see if it's used extra biblically and then draw it from there.

So this was what we would call a hapaxagamina. a word that occurs only once in a body of texts.

Okay, so Looks like that's the case. But uh interesting. Oh. The Nethanim. Maybe there's nothing to the nothing.

I mean, that's a bad joke. All right.

Okay. All right.

Well, God bless. Thank you. God bless you, brother, and thank you very much. I love you, man. April appreciate that.

At least someone does. Good.

Okay. Yeah. Okay, well, hey, that's interesting. I'm going to do some research on that.

So let's get to John from Washington. John, welcome. You're on air. Hey Matt, it's John here from FEMA Region number 10. Hey brother, how you doing, buddy?

How are things going? I'm good, man. Oh, not bad, not bad. I got a day off, so I'm just relaxing, enjoying the sun. Uh 'cause we only get like two weeks of it here in Washington.

Yeah, I hear that. Yep. Yep. So, okay, so here's the situation. I was talking to a friend of mine.

uh who uh at work She's a Christian. Her husband is a Christian. Both are Christians. But. Here's the uh strange thing that I really didn't have much of an answer about.

She has a background of just evangelical church.

Okay. He, the husband, has a background of Lutheran. Um both have a different view of communion. when their church Which is not a Lutheran church, it's just a basic evangelical church. when they have communion, the husband declines it every time.

because he feels that that church is not taking communion properly.

So I don't first of all, I don't know the difference exactly between Lutherans and And uh normal, you know, you're Basic. evangelical church, what the difference differences between communion is. I know that we use it typically, we use it as a symbol. We see it as a symbol, where I guess Lutherans see it as From from what I understood, it's more like a a real presence Um, I guess they believe not in trans substantiation, but The other word, the other word. Yeah, consubstantiation, transubstantiation, real presence.

Real presence and con are basically kind of Lutheran. Then there's a memorial where it's just uh symbolic.

So, if he's in there saying it's not there, he can't take communion because they're not understanding it properly. then he's obligated not to take it if that's his conscience. Which then would mean then that the Christian church he's attending to is improperly administering the communion supper.

Now, I'm assuming they're holding to a memorial view, right? Do this in remembrance of me. Yes, yes. The church is, yeah.

Okay. All right.

If I were talking to him, hold on one sec. If I were talking to him, I would say it's not the officiant. that validates or invalidates the communion. I'd say if if uh If the officiant is not perfectly understanding the communion elements, it doesn't invalidate the idea of the communion supper. And so I'd say that he'd be free to take it You know, I don't want to wouldn't want him to violate his conscience, but he'd be free to take it.

And so in the long run, Go ahead. Go ahead.

Now you go ahead. I was going to ask you if The situation happened where the husband says, I don't feel it's right. And I don't think my family should take it either. Is that under the husband over the wife? Yes.

Okay. So if they're married and I was counseling him and I went to a Lutheran college, okay, so I'm familiar with their view. And I don't agree with their view. But if I was counseling both of them in this issue, I'd say he's the spiritual head of the family, lean that way, unless she would be violating her conscience. Then his recommendation would be to not have her violate her conscience.

and then they'd have to do separate communions at different times. And this is just a compromise in a way around. But the Lutheran view is not the not the transubstantiation, where the EO and the RC say that the elements are actually changed in their substance to the blood and body of Christ. And that's ludicrous. It just doesn't work.

Lots of biblical and logical. But the Lutheran view says that Jesus is in, with, and under.

Now, what exactly does that mean? And I remember in Lutheran College, I was never satisfied with the answers. It was kind of a mystical kind of a thing. And that's the Calvinist in you.

Well, I just, I wasn't even a Calvinist at the time. I was just, you know, I just go, I don't, I don't grant it. And uh so I didn't adopt five points until I was uh until after graduation actually from seminary. Sure, sure. The full five points.

But at any rate, so I just wasn't convinced of their view because it was just nondescript. And And so then the reformed says it's a spiritual presence.

Well, I don't even know what that means, and I'm reformed.

So, what I say when I give communion to people, if they ask me that question, I say, he's there the same way he was the first time. And I just leave it at that. He was there with them. I'm not saying the elements are changed. I'm not saying inside the element, in, with, and under.

I'm just saying there's a spiritual presence of somehow, some way. I don't know how it works. I don't know what it is. I'm not going to go beyond what scripture says. And that's my view.

So that's what I I would say, and this is what kind of baffled me. Hold on, isn't Jesus Christ? Hold on, we've got a break.

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Hey, John Walker, you're back on.

Okay, thank you very much.

So we were talking about communion and the different views of it.

So Now I lost my train of thought as far as what we were talking about right before. And with another one.

So they believe in here we go. I just remembered there's caboose.

So anyways, um their uh so say like There is a different view in all. And so, like Luther and Zane, they believe in the real presence of Christ during that time. But here is. My view is that, well, Christ is everywhere, you know, when it comes to his. Omnipresence.

So I I would say that no matter what view you have of communion, There is always going to be a real presence of Christ with you. You know, the Christ is in you. Yes.

So I don't see how that can be an issue. But you're confusing his omni his ubiquity, his omnipresence with something more specific in the issue of the communion supper.

So he's everywhere. He's in the camera that I'm looking at right now. He's in the microphone. And so that would then if you were to say that, well then the bread and the wine are equal to the value of the microphone. And because he's this everywhere.

And that diminishes the distinction that Christ himself set up with this is my body and my blood.

Now, what does he mean by that?

Now that's a better topic. We can get into that. Because he was speaking figuratively, and I can show that out of John 6. It's very easy to do. But so the issue this is a friend of yours, you said, right?

A friend you know about? Yes.

Yeah, I'd be willing to talk to them both over the phone if they're if they want to do that and to resolve some issues. But you know, because I went to a Lutheran college and maybe that'll help be helpful to them. That would yeah definitely clear the air. Yeah. So that's it.

But uh It's worth looking at. It really is. It's worth looking at into a lot of stuff.

So, yeah. All right.

Well, thank you very much, Matt. I appreciate your time. Hey, man, no problem, buddy.

Sounds good. All right, you take care of yourself. I'll talk to you later.

Okay, sounds good. Talk to you later, buddy. All right.

All right, all right.

Now let's get to Ebenezer from California. Ebenezer, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, can you can you hear me? Yes, I can.

A little windy there, but I can't. Yeah, so you gotta do something about the wind. There's too much wind. You gotta do something about that wind in the background. Yeah.

Okay, I I'll try to call them back. Uh but well uh Okay. Can you hear me? I can.

Okay, ask your question and then put yourself on mute or something or something so we can okay?

Okay, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, so I had a qu I had a conversation with a Catholic and they they brought up well the guy I don't know he was cosplaying so he said he was Orthodox then he turned Catholic or whatever and he said Because we were talking about like bowing to like images stuff like that and so he brought up Joshua five five fourteen, where Joshua he bowed to the angel when the Lord's armies came. And so I told him like, yeah, it was it that could have been a Christophany, you know. I didn't I didn't I don't know how he would you know, maybe execute that, I don't know. Yes.

When you you know, if I were to meet the King of England, mute yourself, okay, because you're the background.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I were to meet the King of England, I would do what was socially appropriate, you know, nod or whatever they do, bow. I don't have a problem with that if it's just socially acceptable and that's what's r to be done with someone like that. And I would do that uh for someone in person. It's different when you start bowing to images.

And or figures of ancient times, and then you genuflect and you do all this stuff, it bec it's it approaches idolatry. And so he's trying to say, well, when the person was in front of him. Then he bowed.

So, therefore, it's okay to bout anybody in the spiritual realm. No, it's a different category, it's a different issue. It's like uh when I tell Christians don't pray to the devil. They'll actually, in their prayers, they'll address the devil. Devil, I'm talking to you, and you get away from me.

I'm saying you're praying to Satan. Don't do that. You pray to Jesus. If, however, the devil were to manifest in front of you, you could rebuke him personally. But you're not addressing a prayer to him.

Likewise, the idea of praying or bowing to those in heaven in your idolatrous practices, the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church do, that would be sinful, okay?

Alright buddy. Yeah, yeah, I got you, I got you, I got you, I got you.

Okay. All right, thank you. All right, man.

Well, God bless, buddy. All right, all right.

Okay, cover that. And yes, I did say the idolatrous practices of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. The Bible talks about an apostasy that's coming. And I believe firmly that the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox churches are part of that apostasy since they preach a false gospel, promote a false priesthood, and they promote idolatry. They all are already apostate.

The Protestant church is going to go down that road of a different kind of apostasy. This is what I believe.

So, yeah, I say that. confidently that those churches are false churches. Yeah, you heard me right.

So let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Okay, Hey, Matthew, I want to sin of blood meat in the Bible is meant never really elaborated on. I see people seem to think that anyone overweight is a central cordon But I've seen that not to be true with many people.

I've seen some very Large individuals who are overweight, but they were very hardworking, not lazy at all.

Some are undisciplined, some may have genetic issues, but what what exactly is the sin of gluttony from a biblical perspective?

Well, it's just an overindulgence in food for the sake of personal pleasure without doing uh having really much of any concern with it. It's rooted in self-satisfaction. And um Uh just self-service. And that's why it's bad.

Now, I had a friend, I believe, I've lost contact with him. I believe he's. He has gone with the Lord. And he was one of the first responders on 9-11. And because of it, he developed some medical problems.

He had to take medicine, and the medicine forced him to gain weight. He could not control it. And so he was fat. and he worked against it.

So, just because someone's fat doesn't mean they're just committing gluttony. There are people whose metabolisms are are short. I mean, are Are difficult to work with. A friend of ours with my late wife, they spent a weekend together. She told me this, not my wife, but this friend.

And she ate exactly what my wife ate, exactly the same proportions for an entire weekend, because they were out doing something together. And she gained weight, and my wife. Lost weight.

So, you know, some people just have to deal with that. But aside from that, gluttony is the excessive indulgence in food and drink for the sake of self-pleasure. And that could happen even to people who are thin. Because you could have a metabolism issue where you can't put on weight and you can be gluttonous at the same time.

So we've got to be careful. We don't only point the gluttonous finger at the people who are large.

Okay? Okay, well, would these be people who almost have like a psychological? compulsion to just eat and nothing else or Well, yeah, there's something uh something to that too, because uh Food can be a comfort thing for people too. That's not gluttony, it's just Misplaced necessity. Hold on, buddy.

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Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Jermaine from California. Jermaine, you're back on, buddy. Yeah, man.

So I've just known different people to have different reasons. And like you said, I've seen the exact same thing. I was an amateur powerlifter and I saw Some people be able to sit down and eat virtually the same thing, one would get fat, the other wouldn't. and they're working hard and maybe have metabolism issues, but I I've I've also seen people eat kind of for a paycheck to keep a spot on their uh college football team or the pros or whatever. W would that be considered a form of gluttony?

'Cause they some of them don't always enjoy it. No, that's just they're just doing it for ma for um You know, for their job. They gotta bulk up. Yeah, that's not a problem. And working out, I used to work out a lot too.

You have to eat a lot. In fact, Talking about people with metabolism, literally, my early 20s, I could eat 6,000 calories a day and I wouldn't gain any weight. Six thousand a day And you know, our metabolisms change.

So, this issue of gluttony, we have to understand it as basically being the issue of you do it for self-indulgent reasons and It's got control over you. And I would say that's basically what it is: it's excessive indulgence in food and drink. I wouldn't say a power lifter, he's got to eat. You've got to do a lot of calories to do that. Same with a football player, et cetera.

So there's nothing wrong with that. You know? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm I'm glad you cleared that up because it seems people use that word almost like a A form of a slur, like, oh, you glutton.

It's like, well, what is a glutton? And no one can really give you the same. Answer.

Well, I'm a heresy glutton. I love heresy. I consume it all the time. You know? So, what are you gonna say?

Okay. All right, buddy. All right, yes, well, yeah, thank you, Matt. Appreciate it. Talk to you soon.

Okay, God bless. All right.

All right, next longest waiting is Oscar, and then we'll get to Jeff. Oscar. George really used to Are you I'm just curious. I've noticed something in the book of Genesis. God spoke to Adam.

He did not speak to Eve about the tree of his knowledge of good and evil. I would assume that Adam spoke to Eve.

Now my question is this. When the serpent tempted Eve, Should she have consulted Adam before disobeying God?

Okay. That's a good question. Should she have? And we have to say yes or no based on what the Scriptures revealed. Since Adam named her later, we know that he had authority.

It looks like Satan went to her because he was going against the authority system that God Himself had set up before the fall. That he was the head, Adam was, and then he went to her to get to him. And I think, in my opinion, I think she should have gone and run this by Adam first. That's just my opinion. I wouldn't die on the pill, but it makes sense.

Okay. Yeah. No, because I notice She uh because Adam spoke to Well, God spoke to Adam, so I would assume that Adam spoke to Eve.

So He should have listened to you know. She should have gone back to Azam since Azam stole her. Yep. Yes, okay.

Okay, so thank you, Avina. Thank you very much.

Okay, okay, goodbye. All right, mate. God bless. All right.

All right, now let's get to Jeff from South Carolina. Jeff, welcome. year on the air.

Alright, thank you. Uh I just had a little quick question on It's been years ago, but I'll I'll I had a disagreement with the pastor of that church on Member of, but I went to visit another church which was a A big assemblies of God's church is really good. The pastors are great. But anyway, they would have a I don't remember what it was like one night of the week they'd have like a prayer, but it was only like two or three people. And they were asking me if I'd wanted to join them, and I said, sure, you know.

braver. have a prayer meeting but uh The way they were praying I mean They were kind of just walking around and I didn't understand it really. I mean, I was praying about things, but I don't know what they were It's like they were walking around and I think I asked one of the Women and said that they were Repating a Richer or something, or they would repeat something that Sometimes there's something called prayer reading that people will do. They'll pray as they read scripture out loud.

Now, if you have it memorized, you could do prayer recitation.

Okay, we're care we've been careful not to be uh just having vain repetitions. But uh you know, uh, some people they'll take the Word of God and they'll pray through it. They'll they'll see what it says and apply it to themselves and their situations, whatever it is. And so, you know, that's okay.

Alright. But I heard a couple in that one time. Called a I don't really understand, but I don't know what where I heard it from. I don't know if it was Maybe it sounds like broadcasting or something. But they were talking about something called transcendental meditation.

Ooh, that's occultic. Yeah, that's occultic. I don't know if that's what that was, or they just kept repeating, repeating, repeating. Um, okay.

Well, uh Transcendental meditation is an Eastern thought where you put your mind in an altered state of consciousness. And you don't want to do that. That's all cultic. But I. Uh-huh.

Now go ahead. All right.

Well, I I just didn't understand I mean I was I was candid uh Discouraged by what, you know, I was like, is this what that is? I don't know. And I never, I just quit doing it. I quit. I didn't quit going to the the church maybe, but I just quit going to that because I just felt like it was I don't know.

I just didn't understand it what they were doing and Well, it didn't like normal prayer and I think you do The thing it would be to ask 'em. Yeah, that's that's all. Yeah, but I just I hadn't wanna Okay. Offend anybody or something because I had such a falling out at the church I was going to, so I just. I just kind of left it alone, but I always thought, is that transcendental meditation with that?

I don't know. I guess I should have asked him. No, that's out of Hinduism. I said, assemblies of God's churches shouldn't be doing stuff like that, you know?

Well, I don't know what they were doing exactly. But But it wasn't like it was a big part of the church. It was just like two or three people and they were walking around the sanctuary. doing this but I guess they were just praying normal I don't want to praying out loud you mean No, they watched us praying out loud, I don't think. They were just Well, um I'm not really sure what they were doing, to tell you the truth.

Okay. There's nothing wrong with walking around a church and praying out loud or praying silently. I've walked around the neighborhood and prayed. There's nothing wrong with repeating scriptures or writing. As long as it's not just habitual, you do it in your mind, your mind's uh elsewhere.

Like you just repeat the word of God and you're like Yeah, in that I guess. Yeah, there has to be a balance with wisdom. We don't want to use it in an occult system where you have a scripture you say because it has power and you repeat it. No, you the idea is our heart and mind need to be involved in our prayer, and Scripture is a great place to go. You can go to the Psalms, for example, and read to the Psalms and pray as the Psalms teach.

And apply to yourself and/or others various things. And you can do that, and praising God, and as long as it's not. A ritual a ritualistic kind of thing. Where it's just retrieval kind.

Well, I feel bad now. I may I may I just should have been more open with them and asking questions and stuff of what they were doing, but Yeah, just ask questions. That's why it's a good thing to ask questions. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

It's okay. Yeah. All right.

Mm-hmm. I don't know if you have time for another question, or you've got other callers I can call back. Sure, we've got a break coming up. I'll do. What what what other question you got?

What's the next one?

Well I it's it's not really a question, I just I I had a girlfriend years ago and I I grew up Presbyterian, so Protestant and she was Roman Catholic and Should get me to take it to her masks and things. And that's I didn't know that much about it. I just knew it was wrong. I didn't believe in Roman Catholicism and stuff. Um And then when I started going, I'm like, well, this seems kinda like normal, you know?

Catholicism is a false church. Yeah, it's a false system.

Okay. But at that time, I didn't know any better, and I knew they prayed to Mary, and I knew that was wrong unless. I guess that's about all I knew then. Yeah, I said, well, other than that, they seem pretty good, you know, blah, blah, blah. But then when I I learned about transcendental meditation and when I found that out, that really Changed my mind up.

I was like, I don't even want to go there anymore. Yeah, but we don't know that's it. We had to fallen out. We had a fallen out. I said, look, I can take you there if you want to go there, but I don't really want to attend or.

I might have went a few times, but I just sat there quiet. I had participated in the question.

Now I just something I just kinda want to get out my Yeah. All right.

Okay. Okay. All right, so Okay, have a good one.

Okay, talk to you later.

Okay. All right.

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Let's get on with Scott from Washington, Scott, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how's it going? It's gone, man. It's gone.

What do you got, buddy?

Okay, so just really quickly, before I get to my question, I just had a very, very brief thing to say. You know, I sent you that give, send, go about, you know, we had two recent car accidents and no transportation, and we were just distraught and, you know, kind of worried, very worried. And in one day, everything turned around. This is just a testimony of God's goodness that in a single day, a friend of mine I haven't talked to in a year calls me, says, you know what, we want to buy you guys a car. And not only that, but we want to loan you the truck so that you can both have transportation until you find something for me.

And so, just quickly, I just want to praise God for that. I mean, wow.

So.

So that's excellent. But my question is simply Yeah, man, I couldn't believe it. I was dumbfounded.

So, my question was.

Okay. Lately, I've been sort of looking into the topic of giants, not necessarily on purpose, but I've seen a lot of documentaries on just the latest findings, and they've been finding s giant skeletons for a long time. And, you know, there's basically two, if I'm correct, basically two major views on Genesis 6. You know, the angel mating with man or woman and you know, the son of somebody, I can't remember. Um one of Noah's sons, I think.

But anyways, I was thinking about the topic of giants in general. And I was thinking, and I just want to know if if my understanding or reasoning is correct. Basically, I feel like there's only two You know, explanations or ways this could have happened. One of them is that one view of the angels mating. Either that has to be, I feel like, or one of the two, or both Adam and Eve had to have been giants for that.

race or giants to come into the human race, if that makes sense.

Sound probable? I'm not sh sure. I'm not sure what you're asking. I think you're just describing the different views of what the Nephilim are, right? Yes, basically, my question is, am I right in concluding that it has to be one of those two options?

Either Adam and Eve were already large or giant or the Genesis six account has to be true. Are there any other options is basically what I'm asking. There's been different views on who the Nephilim are, but Saying that Adam and Eve were giants is not one of them that I've heard. The Nephilim apparently were the offspring between the fallen angels and women. And they were large.

And it seems to be the case. That's the view the Jews held, and the early church held as well. That's the view I hold. And um It was part of a breeding program, most probably to destroy the messianic line.

So, I don't have any problem with that theologically. I think that's what it was.

Okay, I know it's okay, you know, I I do too. I've always thought that, but you know, so many in my inner circle Seem to really not like and don't hold to that view. And when I have so many people telling me that's not what they hold to in my personal life, I sort of begin to. Think about it further, and maybe I am wrong, you know. But yeah, I think that's the case too.

So I just wanted to see if my logic sounded coherent. Yeah, and a lot of people will say that, they'll say, for example, they'll say, well, angels can't do that. And I'm going to say I my response is and what evidence do you have that they can't? Because they're making a statement. And if they're going to say it's not possible, then say, well, okay, you say it's not possible, it might be true, but we need something more than just the statement it's not possible.

we need something more. And so do you have anything more that can account for that? And that's what I ask them. And generally they they don't have anything at that point. They just draw that conclusion automatically without really dealing with the the support of that view.

So that's what I would say. But since the Jews believed that, and the Christian Church did, I have no problem affirming it as well.

So, you know, it does make it. As modern means. All right.

Okay. Yeah. I wasn't aware the juice held that, but that's kind of cool to know. Before I hang up, I just wanted to ask for prayer that I'm trying to quit these nicotine pouches and I'm struggling with that. And if your listeners wouldn't mind praying for me, I'm trying to stop using them because they're really wearing my lip out, and it's just not healthy.

And uh yeah, so that's about it. I appreciate your time. Okay. Most sure, no problem. All right, butter.

Okay, talk to you soon. All right, God bless. All right, we do have a prayer ministry, by the way, prayer at carm.org, and recommend people to check that out. Joanne is the one who runs that, she does great. And uh you know feel free to to uh to do that if you want.

Um That's good. All right, so we have nobody waiting right now. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-2072276. You know, what's interesting is the issue of the Nephilim, the Jews did teach that it was the offspring of the fallen angels and women. People say, well, that can't happen.

Maybe it can, maybe it can, I don't know. But to say it, you can't, or that can't happen. You have to demonstrate that it can't. There has to be some restriction in God's word. But if the Jews held to it, the early church held to it, then there's something to it.

They held to it for a reason. And so Uh Turn it right. It doesn't mean that because the early church or the Jews did it outside of scripture means it's true, but there's something to it, and that's the point.

So apparently, it's the reason the flood came. And in Genesis chapter 6, when we go there. Uh Genesis 6. The corruption of mankind.

Now, what's interesting is that it says. When men began to multiply on the face of the land, daughters were born to them. The sons of God saw the daughters of men were beautiful.

Now, the term sons of God, okay, that's the question. There's three theories. One is the rulers. The least likely theories that Son of God were just dynastic rulers, they were just big, important kings and things like that. And then there's the Sethite theory.

which says Genesis 4 lists the ungodly line of Cain. And um The sons of God would then be the godly line of Seth, and the daughters of men would be the line of Cain. And that is, I don't agree with that. One reason is because the Sethite theory was introduced into Christianity, I think, around the third to fifth century, I forgot which. When the Nephilim idea of the offspring half breeds was ridiculed.

The Nephilim is the view that the sons of God were fallen angels who combined with humans to produce. of the race called the Nephilim. And because it says in verse 4, the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterwards.

Son of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those are the mighty men of old, men of renown.

Now it says they were men.

Well, what term might they use? You know, half-breed? No, they appeared as people, as men, men of renown. And so. That's anyway, that that's just the background.

It does say though in In verse 9, Which I think is interesting of Genesis 6. These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time, or blameless in his Literally the word is generations. Blameless or pure in his ancestry, because the word there is perfect or having integrity. Blameless in his generations.

So the implication here is that. Uh the I'm going to go do this. I'm going to do this. Go to Genesis 6:9 and do a parallel. The implication is they.

The blind of Noah was genetically pure. but others it was not. That's the implication.

So Text comparison ESV. It says blameless in his generation, perfect in his generation is the King James, RSB, blameless in his generation. Uh L E B without defect in his generations and the NIV, blameless among the people of his time. Um He blameless it among his contemporaries as a CSB. There's different views.

And uh So there you go.

So, if the flood came to wipe out the Nephilim, why would that be? Possibly, and I like this theory, and saying I like it, doesn't mean it's true, but I certainly like this theory, is that the devil was trying to work to destroy the messianic line. that uh was prophesied in Genesis 3. And he Was trying to dilute and thwart that effort, and so the people on the earth became corrupted. And so the flood came to Yeah.

It's like rebooting your computer. They do a reboot on what was going on. Rebooted, and only eight people were brought safely through that flood that destroyed. The Nephilim.

Now, eight people went into Noah's ark, and incidentally, they entered that ark. God closed the door. They were safe in that ark, and then days later. A year later, when they left the ark, God opened the door. And so he closed it, he opened it.

And the ark is a symbol of salvation. But nevertheless.

So that stuff is really interesting. And what's also interesting is I've done this many times before on the radio. I'll go here again. Daniel 2:43. And it says, This is the context in Daniel, the prophecy of the end times.

And it says in regard to the statue of gold, silver. bronze and then iron mixed with clay at the feet. These are periods of time. And so, when it's dealing with the issue of the latter time, with the. The um clay mixed with iron in the feet.

It says, In that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men, but they will not adhere to one another.

So they will combine with one another in the seed of men. The implication is that they, whoever they are, is separate from the seed of men. In other words, people.

So, the implication of that text is something's going on that they. Will be doing something again inside the seat of man. And what's also really interesting when you go to Matthew 24, 37. The coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.

Okay, so just like the days of Noah. For in those days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying, giving in marriage. Until the day that Noah entered the ark, the flood came and took the kingdom. took them all away. And or destroyed them all.

That's what Luke 17 says. The flood came and destroyed them all. The flood came and took them all away. And so will the coming of the band.

Son of Band be: there'll be two men in the field, one will be taken. The ones who are taken, of course, are the wicked. And so it's not the rapture. That's not the rapture verses, guys. The rapture occurs, but this isn't about the rapture.

So here's the question. If it's the case that as it was in the days of Noah, so it'll be again in the days of the Son of Man, if it's the case that the Nephilim were there. At the time of Noah, does it then mean that they'll occur again in the present time?

Well, when Jesus returns. That's the question, and it's a very intriguing question, and it can cause all kinds of really interesting conversations. And it ties into multiple topics on this issue. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed that. Just throwing it out, we've got about 30 seconds left.

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