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All right, and welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you listen to Matt Slick Live. If you want, you can give me a call. All you got to do is dial 877-2077. 2276.

It's a nice uh let's see January 15th. And uh I got a buddy of mine who's it's his birthday today. I got to call them and insult them. That's what you do. And I've known him since I was 12.

How about that? Hey, if you're interested in emailing me, that's easy to do also. Just send an email to info at carm.org, info at carm.org. Put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question, something like that, and then we can get to you. And as I said before, um You can let's see, look at this.

I just thought of something. I just thought of something. This Saturday, this Saturday, I'm going to be online at Ministry to Muslims. They're doing a thing on Jehovah's Witnesses. And.

Even though they're they're mainly to to Muslims, they do other stuff too. And uh In fact, I'll be debating an Eastern Orthodox guy in May. On baptism through that group. And anyway, so. Yeah, so I'm just thinking because I don't know I don't know if the Carm website has a calendar on it, because we we got a new a new um I think we do though.

No, we don't. Oh, I'm gonna put up a page for a calendar and just put in events and things like that that we're doing so that you guys can see. We have that menu. We have the menu that um You can go to on the website, it's menu, the top, the top, not the top menu, has the word menu in it. And when you click on that, then you'll see the areas that.

It's all set for. We have all kinds of stuff. We have all kinds of things that um topics, questions, secular issues. world religions, topics, Christian living, dictionaries, got all kinds of dictionaries in there. Word studies, what's new.

one minute videos resources and um I don't have a dictionary in there. I'll put that in today so that I can put in links and put in stuff like that and where I'll be and teaching and whatever. Do a lot of that, and I'll talk about what happened last night. Very interesting discussion last night I had with some people. In the meantime, let's get to Alberto from Georgia, Alberto.

Welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. How are you doing? All right.

I'm hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. Yeah, I'm going to ask a question. How do you. Are you balanced?

New seventeen seventeen twenty one. 21 versus Luke 962, and will the believer enter heaven according to John 3:16, Ephesians 2, 8, and 9, and Romans 10. When you throw a lot of verses out really fast, it's difficult to kind of deal with them.

Okay, but how do you balance Luke 17, 21 versus Luke 9, 62?

Okay, let me go and two verses. Yeah, I had to. I rebooted my computer today, so I had to reopen my Bible program. It's opening still. And I'll get to those verses.

Here we go. Um.

Okay, let's see, close that out.

Alright, so Luke 17, 21. It says uh they will look hairy. Here it is, or there it is, for behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst. The Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming and making noise in the background, everybody. And.

So, uh nine Luke nine sixty two you said? Yeah. Yeah, okay.

So that says, no one after putting his hand to the plow and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God. And then uh Um I'm still regarding the k of the return of the kingdom of God. There it is, behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst. Um Yeah.

So what Jesus is saying in Luke nine is the idea of not looking back to your old things, your old world, but looking ahead into what God has provided for you in the person and work of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, that's what it is. But this is before his crucifixion.

So he's speaking to the Jews covenantally. And he's talking about their need of commitment to God and the ways of God. And without looking back With um longing for old sinful habits, ways, and stuff. And then, but the other one is just saying the kingdom of God is in your midst, talking about the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.

So he's talking about the kingdom of God in two different senses here. The kingdom of God in the work that God is doing in the person of Christ. and um the establishment of it more later with the covenant. of sac the sacrificial aspect and uh is different than uh than his worth the worthiness of it, okay? Make sense?

Because I'm asking because uh the Luke nine sixty two guy was I suppose the Church of God Clean Tennessee denomination and a lot of the church members applied that to the Christian. If you put your hand on the plow, if you turn back, you know, they're aiming to sing chorus about it, too. Yeah, that's why I was asking. That's because they don't have good theology, that's because they don't understand what's going on. And it's often the case.

It's a works righteousness kind of a system where you can lose your salvation. You've got to keep it by doing good, by being good, things like that. This is the mistake.

So, what they'll do is they'll take verses like that and they'll apply to the Christian. See, that's what you got to do. And then, and this is a discussion I had last night with somebody and talk about that in the same vein of thought. But that's what you have to do: is ask them if they are able or have been able to do what is necessary in order to keep themselves right with God.

So, um Anyway, that's what they're doing. They're making a mistake in that area, okay? Yeah, you talk I started talking to this guy just now from the Church of Cloud, Tennessee. He said uh When a believer's sin separates us from God, but that's not true because once we're in Christ, nothing can separate us from God. Right, exactly.

Our fellowship might be broken, but not our position or identity in Christ as a child of God, that would never be broken. Correct. Right, right. And one of, yeah, I can get into that a little bit more, but yes, that's true.

Okay. And I asked a guy last night, we're having a discussion, I asked him if Colossians 2:14 says that Jesus cancelled the sin that at the cross. Then, how is it you have to do anything in order to keep yourself right with God? And this was something he didn't like to answer, and so he said, Well, he took our punishment. That's what it was.

You cancelled the punishment. And then he said, cancel the death. Yeah. Which is dumb. And uh so anyway, this is the kind of stuff that um that people will say when they have a system where your righteousness uh is is in part Um with the work of Christ, they were to be saved.

Yes, exactly. Yes, exactly correct. I learned that over time, over the years later, then I realized because Akkadi teaches Church of God teaches our Jacob Arminius teachings. And if they teach that you can lose your salvation, then there keep yourself safe by your holy living to get into heaven. You know, like my pastor said, for the Church of God, I told you, my pastor said, that 70% will stay behind and Jesus will come that day because they're not living right.

See, that's a work-based salvation. 70% are going to be left behind. Wow. I wonder what I'd like to talk about. From the congregation.

And the previous pastor before him, when I first went there, he said 90% would stay behind because they're not living in the Yeah. Yeah. I always love that when people have percentages on who's saved and who's this is the percentage. And where do you get that for the book of second hysterectomy? It's ridiculous.

When they say God tells them they have an open canon, that's a problem in Periculture that God speaks to them by Revelation and the problem. Yeah, and th they're whacked. But yeah, it's just it's it's bad.

So it's funny though. I mean, I started not laughing at them in a mocking sense. It's just I've heard this kind of thing so many times before. That uh It's like What else, you know? No, it's 70%.

Okay, 90%. How do you know? You don't know the hearts of the people. Oh, man. Exactly.

Ah, geese. It's just one of the church members, one of the church ladies, the deacon ladies, she said, well. Because I committed a sin, and then she said, Well, that's why I like small churches, she told me. to the past he said, because now we know is who's who. 'Cause she thinks she thinks she's a self-righteous by her own.

Living, they think she's going to heaven because by her own holy living. See, that's a problem with the Pentecostal Church. that is all work base. Yeah, it's and that they get and that they're so prideful, they get arrogant, think about only like they don't commit sin. Yeah, that cracks me up.

People say, don't give a sin anymore. I just say, spend five minutes with me. I'll hear that.

Sorry. But it's so stupid. It's just so dumb. You know, I get a kick out of it. You know, they don't sit anymore.

So I ask them, Are you keeping the law of God on the same level as Jesus, who's God in flesh? He's the standard. And are you saying you're keeping it all in your intentions, your heart, your motives, everything on the level of God Himself? They go, Yes, but just. Wow, you can't even see the pride in you.

Good old. Oh man. Mm-hmm. Pretty bad. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's why that's why I left the church, but I missed because there was too much confusion among the members themselves. It was a small congregation, like maybe like fifty people, but everyone give me a different reason for losing that.

But just much confus I mentioned you left. When I left, I came to the south down here at Jordania Baptist Church, that's when my eyes open up to the truth. But about the term security and and all that, and that's what my the Lord set me free. From all this confusion from the Pentecostal churches. Yeah, I could see that.

That's good. It's, you know, the one error of you can lose your salvation. is just a foundation for all kinds of heresies. It's just, people don't realize what it is. I mean, Jesus canceled the sin dead at the cross.

Did he cancel it only so you can go to hell? It's just these people aren't thinking. And we ask these kinds of questions. you know, uh let's just say that, uh they they get challenged. They get challenged, and they're not sure what's going on.

But at any rate, so yeah, they get problems, they got issues. Yeah, yeah. I try to I challenge them and they get ups they won't let me speak. They start screaming and yelling at them. They won't let me articulate what I want my thought.

And they just they think they want to hear they got the truth and nobody else has. That's the problem. Truth of leadership. They they won't let you speak and they interrupt constantly and accuse you of things. I wonder what that's like.

Wow, that's that's different. Yeah, the demon he was yelling that got a gush preacher the whole entire ser Germans are the preaching, he was the deacons on front, screaming, getting louder and louder and louder, and the president tell him to shut up or nothing.

Well he just that's the disrespectful he was doing. Yeah, people do that. Yeah, people behave badly. When you have bad theology. Yeah, it happens.

Yeah, it happens. Uh-huh. All right. Thank you. Have a call.

All right. All right, man. God bless.

So, yeah.

So, folks, look, if you believe you lose your salvation, I'm not saying you're a heretic, I'm just saying, you know, it just depends, but. Are you then saying that if you can lose your salvation, that you have to perform at a certain level in order to keep it? If that's the case, then You might want to revisit what the gospel really is. Because that wouldn't be what the gospel is. It's not that you're saved by your goodness in cooperation with God, but that through the faith of Christ alone, I mean, your faith in Christ alone, that you're going to be saved.

So last night I was on Discord and I was on for a couple hours and Got into a heated discussion with a Roman Catholic for about forty minutes. And um Lately, what I've been doing with Catholics and Eastern Orthodox is turning the heat up a little bit. in that I start really calling out their logic errors. They're fallacies. And I mean really calling them out and then hammering them on them.

And they don't like that. And I'll talk to you after the break. But it was interesting discussions I've had. But anyway, if you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 8 772-072276. Be right back, please.

Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. It's a nice January 15th.

And if you want to give me a call, it's easy. 8772-07-2276. And hope you guys are enjoying the show out there. You know what? I just thought of this.

If you're interested, call me up. And say what you like about the show or what you don't like. That's all. Just say, hey, I like this and that.

Okay, thanks. Bye. You can do this if you want. I'm just kind of curious, get some feedback, it'd be kind of fun. I do that every now and then.

Let's get to Cody from Texas. Cody, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. Hey.

Hey, just had a question for you because the Church of Christ stuff, when that typically comes up, it always goes back to baptism. Yes. Yeah. That's generally what they bring up. But the thing is.

It's like finding a needle in the haystack to find a professing Christian. that hasn't been baptized.

So why would they go there? That doesn't quite make sense. They're trying to make an argument. I mean, I understand. Hold on, hold on.

Let me understand that you have a question. Why are they requiring baptism for salvation? No, no, I understand why they do. And under that and all of that, but like When they're arguing salvation just in general, like that's the first thing they go to. And I'm like, Well, most professing Christians and there's a lot of atheists out there that were baptized thinking they were Christians too.

I'm like so like why is Why do they always bring up the baptism issue? Because they're in a cult. Like every professing Christian has been baptized.

Well, b the answer is because they're a cult. It's a cult to name. And that's why they're brainwashed and they don't know what the truth is. And so they. They uh Think that baptism is part of salvation.

It's a legalistic thing. Their church teaches it, so they have to perform in it. That's what it is. But it's like the first thing they go to when they want to argue salvation. I'm like.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, the difference called the Okay. That's all that's all how to and they get so offended whenever you bring up Alexander Campbell. Yeah. And and even though the entire theology they hold to, they say it's Bible, they say it's solo it's actually solo scriptura, right?

Me and my Bible under a tree, but actually it's not. They hold to Alexander Campbell's theology. Yeah, I know. And, you know, like I said, it's a cult and uh they require baptism for salvation, legalism, has to je and some of them even say you have to be baptized in their church. Yeah, it's in order to be safe.

Well, one of the interesting things that I've seen. Is that a lot of Church of Christ people nowadays, like those churches are dying? Because our culture is doesn't capitulate to uh legalism at all.

So, a lot of those churches are dying, or they were adopting things like, well, now all of a sudden we can have instruments in the. In the church, and they're adopting these kinds of things, kind of like the Mormon Church did during the Civil Rights Act. You know. Yeah, I getcha. Yeah, a lot of mark.

But that's what it is.

So, yeah, it's a cult, and they require baptism. It's a topic I'm well versed in, baptism. I know arguments that they don't generally know. Um And it's all it's still, to me, it's interesting why anybody would want to say you have to be baptized in order to be saved. I it always bothered me.

So why would you do that? 'Cause it it's not j it's just not true. 'Cause it's not true, you know. But anyway.

Well, well, what bothers me is thinking that baptism has magical powers of regeneration. And there's, you know, obviously it's not just them, but it's. You know, Catholics and everything else that think the water has something to do with it. Then I've heard you talk about several times. about the whole problem with submersion in the Jordan River With the roads and the temperature of the water and all that kind of stuff and the sprinkling issue.

Like, I've heard you talk about all that, and I'm with you on that. Yeah, and so like it's problematic. Yeah, I'd like to do, maybe sometime, just do a just sit here in a chair and just kind of. ramble through the issue of baptism and logistics and uh just various things. When I've done it before different venues, a lot of people have really been surprised by it, uh by what the Bible uh you know, the implications uh of of it.

In fact, uh this really surprises a lot of people, but uh I'm getting more and more convinced that Baptism In the New Testament, is by sprinkling or pouring and not immersion. That shocks a lot of people. But it took me years to come to that because when I would look at the text. And I started examining them and just, okay, if it's immersion, does this make sense? And I started finding it doesn't make sense.

like the Ethiopian eunuch and um Philip, you know, it says they both went into the water. They say, well, that means that they were immersed, or he, or the eunuch was immersed. But it says they both went into the water, they both come up out of the water. If the phrase coming up out of the water means that Philip was immersed, then I mean the eunuch was immersed, then Philip had to be immersed too. And you start seeing things like this, and you go, wait a minute.

And like the math, you know, how many people could you baptize? in a in a night. You can't do it by immersion. It just doesn't work. And then Jesus, according to the law, had to be sprinkled at his baptism because he was entering into the priesthood.

And that's why. Because John the Baptist's baptism was baptism for repentance or for the forgiveness of sins, of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. He's avicen harmartion in Greek, into or for the forgiveness of sins. And if that means that Jesus was participating, then what sins is he getting forgiven for? It doesn't make any sense.

So he had to fulfill the law, and that requirement is found in the verse I've gone over so many times. And the requirement was that the man entering into the priesthood had to be sprinkled with water. Numbers 8:7. And I started finding these things out. I'm like, wait a minute.

And then you go to Acts 1:5, where Jesus says, John baptized with water, you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Well, that doesn't mean immersion of the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is poured. And we know that from the Old Testament prophecies that the Holy Spirit will be poured upon all mankind. And we see that Joel 2, 28, 29 is quoted by Peter in Acts 2, 17 and 18. Where it says this is the fulfillment of what was going on. The Holy Spirit poured.

And then in Acts 10:44, it says they could see that the charismatic gifts were on them because the Holy Spirit had been poured out, the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out upon them. And this is how you start seeing things. You're like, wait a minute.

So it says. But John baptized with water, you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit. But the word baptized second place has to mean pouring. According to what the scriptures are teaching.

So, then what does the first one mean? But John poured baptism with water, and you'll be poured baptism with the Spirit. That makes sense. But if you say it's immersion, he immersed you with water, and you'll be immersed with the Spirit, it doesn't make any sense. And I started doing this with people.

They scratched their heads. I never saw that before. Yeah, you like I discovered that with you like years ago. Listening to you talk about all this, that, like, and then discovering that baptism is a New Testament concept. Like there was a mitzvah and stuff like that in the Old Testament.

Like baptism isn't just something that just came out of nowhere. There's somebody just invented. For that, you know, and so understanding that there was baptism in the Old Testament, too, but also. Um I've discovered uh different things about people talking about the baptism was you know, it was almost like a a sign of Like when you're identifying with Christ, you're dying to yourself.

So it was like a. An embarrassing thing to be wet like that, but people were nude.

Sorry, man, there's well that would be inappropriate. In that culture.

So, hey, hold on if you want, but we can be right back after these messages. We'll be right back, folks. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Oh Rodavid, welcome back to the show.

Now I know that some of you are probably thinking, who is this guy on the radio? who's saying what he says about baptism. Because obviously, baptism means immersion. It's just what it means. It's always meant that.

That's what it means. That's what it is. That's true.

Well? Is it? Just a question. Is it? Is it always a?

So I'll tell you what, I've got some of my notes right now. I'm going to go through some of them. Nobody's calling right now.

So let me just show you some stuff here. It says uh That Jesus, He will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Now the Holy Spirit, like I said, comes upon you. Get into that. more later. Um baptism can mean cleansing. um of hands.

When they came from the market place, they do not eat unless they cleanse themselves. The word there is baptizo. Yeah. Baptize. Does that mean they strip down?

And got immersed? That that's Mark 7.4. And the answer is well, of course not. And there are many other things which they have received in order to observe, such as the washing of cups and pitchers, and that's Baptiste Maas. It's a cognate or it's a form of it.

So that's interesting, isn't it? How about baptism means experiencing tribulation? Jesus says in Mark 10, 38, 39, he says, You do not know what you're asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized? They said to him, We are able.

And Jesus said, The cup that I drink, you shall drink, and you shall be baptized with the baptism with which I'm baptized. Interesting, he says it like six times the word baptism occurs. But he's not talking about water baptism, he's talking about persecution. And um Let's see. I have a baptism to undergo and how distressed I am until it is accomplished.

How did Jesus say in Luke 12:50? Does that mean immersion in water?

Okay. Obviously not.

Okay. So uh it can mean ceremonially washed. Luke eleven thirty eight, when the Pharisee saw it, he was surprised that he did not first ceremonially wash. before the meal.

Okay. Yeah. And that's uh That's the word uh just basically baptize, okay? Let's see, they're baptized into Moses on dry ground. That's 1 Corinthians 10, 1 through 2.

For I do not want you. To be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and the sea. But it says in Exodus 14, 22, The sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on the dry land, and the waters were like a wall to them on their right and on their left.

So they were baptized into Moses. Without water, And then they went on dry land, and the text specifically says it wasn't water, it wasn't there. It was on the left and right. I've talked about this with people. They go, well, they were immersed in the sense that the water was all around them.

It just they stretch the meaning of text to make it fit what they want. Yeah. And then um How about uh we're baptized into one body, into the Holy Spirit? for by one body you were bapt all baptized, into one body.

Now, you could, you know, what does that mean? Immersed into, or identified with, or, you know, you could do that. How about this? Baptized with water. What does it mean to be baptized with water?

How does the Bible use the idea? uh of an action with something. To be anointed with oil means the oil is applied to the person. Likewise, the items were cleansed with blood. applied to them.

Okay, I'm skipping the first locations because I'm going to read all them all. People were sprinkled with blood. Jesus was anointed with perfume and with anointment. We were anointed with the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit's poured out, okay, according to the scriptures. Old Testament priests were sprinkled with water, the unclean were sprinkled with water, people were sprinkled with water to be cleansed.

So what does it mean to be baptized with water? These are the things I run by people and they're dig you know, their eyes squint when I see them on camera and they go, I says, yeah, you've been taught it always means immersion, right? It doesn't, does it? Here's me going. How about with water scriptures?

I did extensive. Extensive search. My notes I'm reading from on baptism are 59 pages I'm looking at right now. Fifty-nine. And uh I'm on page five right now.

Just going through some of the stuff with water scriptures, okay? And so in Exodus 29:4, Aaron brings his sons up the doorway of the tent meeting and wash them with water. At the door. to wash them with water. Doesn't mean they stripped down.

Mark 1.8, I baptized you with water. But he'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Okay. Luke 3:16, it says, I'm not fit to untie the thongs of his sand. John says, I baptize you with water. And then he goes on, he'll baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Let me go on.

Anointing with oil. See, I can give you all these verses, okay?

Something with something.

So, anointing with oil. I got six verses that I use. Anointing with your anointing with oil, anointed him. Uh anointing them with perfume, etcetera. cleansed with blood, filled with the Spirit, ye are baptized with water.

Right. To me, it's like, wow. I started collecting my notes, right? And years ago, I put my notes in. I'm just, you know, checking it out.

I don't have to keep the Baptist confession. I don't have to keep a Presbyterian confession. I don't have to keep any confession. I don't have to tote the party line if I'm a pastor at a certain church and denomination. I don't have to do that.

It doesn't matter to me. I do karm, I do radio. Hey, this look what I'm finding out. People say you're full of crud.

Well, maybe. Show me why, you know, teach me. Show it to me in Scripture. And uh then we discuss these things. And um Uh and expand and expand.

Okay. So I can go through why we should get baptized because baptized, we get baptized because Jesus commanded it. It's a public identification with Christ. It symbolizes our death to sin. It's a sign of being a disciple.

It's a covenant sign. But is it the part of saving gospel? But if it is, then we have a question. Why would Paul say, I think, God, that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one would say you're baptized in my name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Zephanus.

Beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else. For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1, 14-17. It is clear that the gospel is that saves us. But what exactly is the gospel?

That, too, is revealed in Scripture: the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. The gospel is defined as that and doesn't mention baptism. Why are these people putting baptism in there? Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. I'm gonna say to them: stop it, stop it right now, stop it.

I wanna say to him. Um Many people assume that baptism always means immersed. I've already shown that that's not the case. And Let's see, let's see, I'm scra scrolling through some stuff. Baptism in the name of Jesus.

There's variations of the formula. And scriptures on baptized in Jesus' name, the didache in baptism. The didache was written around 65 to 80 AD when the disciples, many of them, were still alive. And it talked about immersion. It and uh let's see.

It was possibly written around that time. And it says, uh scanning through it. It's so oh, here we go. In chapter seven, it says But concerning baptism, thus baptize ye, having first recited all these precepts, baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in running water. What does it mean in running water?

Standing in running water? Does it mean to be immersed?

Well, let's see. But if you have not running water, baptize in some other water. If you can't baptize in cold, then baptize in warm. If you have neither, pour water three times on the head in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But before baptism, let you baptize fast.

So this is just, it's called the Didake, the teaching. And all it is, is a very early document. It's not inspired, but it's important because it was written in the first century when many of the disciples were still alive. and has been kept And so it's like, well, what was going on? And so it talks about being baptized in running water.

but it doesn't say by immersion. It just doesn't say it. It might mean it, but it doesn't say it. And um So we can go on to some other stuff here. For example, baptized infants.

Okay, I'm going to get to the baptism idea. Lydia's, okay, households, covenant signs. And I have a whole section on mathematics. And uh On that. Oh, the pouring out.

Yeah, the pouring out. We've got a break coming up here. I'm just going to do this till the break. Because it says in the Old Testament, Proverbs 1:23, pour out my spirit. Isaiah 32, 15, till the spirit is poured out.

Isaiah 44, 3, I'll pour out my spirit. Ezekiel 39, 29, pour out my spirit. Joel 2, 28, 29, both repeat the phrase, pour out my spirit. That's how the Spirits prophesied his coming. Interesting, isn't it?

We'll be right back after the break, and we'll take a call and maybe get back to some more of this. I'll do the math on this, it's really interesting. We'll be right back, please. Stay tuned. Yeah.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. Last segment of the hour. Man, it's going by fast.

Let's get to Scott from Spokane. Scott, welcome on the air, buddy. Hey, how's it going? It's going, man. Just doing some teaching, irritating people.

You know, upsetting Apple charts. To me, I just had a couple questions. The first one's simple. I heard from maybe Laura or somebody that you are doing a debate in February. Is that true?

Yeah, in Dallas, I'll be debating a Muslim on whether or not Jesus Christ is God in flesh or just a prophet. Yep.

Okay, good. Um, is that going to be airing live? I guess so. There's going to be several apologists there. Eli Ayala, myself, I think Anthony Rogers or Tony Costa, and James White.

And uh some others. And so we're gonna have like one or two a day for two or three days. And so Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I just saw James quite uh beliefs on that.

Okay, good. Um the only other question I had was Um I think it's in Matthew 17. where uh Jesus prior to that has sent out disciples to heal and cast out demons and they hadn't done that successfully. Um but this time they couldn't cast it out and Jesus said This kind. only comes out by prayer and fasting and so What do you believe that that saying is kind is there?

types or different ranks or what do you think that might be?

Well, yeah, there are different kinds of of demonic forces out there. There's pr powers, principalities. There are demo demons.

Now, some think demons are the disembodied spirits from the half-breed. the Nephilim of the flood. I've written an article on this. And I'm trying to remember. There's a lot, there's several designations.

Well, there's cherubim. There are seraphim, there's archangels. Powers, principalities, And so some use them as designations of different types. We know that there are good angels, b bad angels, and no no problem logistically, no there's no problem with archangels having fallen. Maybe um Lucifer was was one of those.

So we we're not sure but You know, makes sense, okay?

Okay, yeah, you know, I never thought about that, about the seraphim cherubim and To how they are different types.

So it would make sense. Um, you know, lately I've been watching a ton of this show. It what's the show? It's called A Haunting. It's just what a lot of background noise.

It's it's hold on. It's hard to understand you. A lot of background noise there.

So, um but so say it again, 'cause I I missed it with some some noise. What? Go ahead. Sure. Let me take you off with you, Sarah.

Okay. So um to show it Getting into just people's personal experiences of Dealing with demonic. And there's a lot of different accounts, and they have a lot of similarities. And one of those made me think of the ancient gods that the Egyptians worshiped. I can't remember the name of this god, but it appears Yeah.

Almost like a man, but also with crocodile features. And I don't know, it just makes me think of the. The uh Creations that are in heaven, the the I can't remember what they call them, but The beasts or not beasts, but Anyway, beasts in heaven basically that have a man's face and a lion's this. And you know, and so it made me think that, like, with Joseph Smith or this ancient Egyptian god, that these are actually demons that manifested to them that caused them to feel they needed to worship them because they're higher. And this pic to them.

Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I just I'm onto this topic lately, demonology and I'm just trying to learn everything I can about that.

So, and you know, you told me your experiences, some of them, and. Um I've had one too several months ago, and it's just it's a lot. And so I really want to learn about it.

Okay. Oh, okay.

Okay. Okay, so I'm going to say this.

Okay, it's good to study that stuff. But uh You need to be very careful. When you start studying it, there's a potential of awakening. stuff. And drawing attention, just to be prayed up.

And ready, that's all. Because when you start studying this stuff, trust me, I know you can often come under spiritual attack.

So just be ready. Take your notes, do some stuff, and be very careful and be very, very biblical about it.

Okay. That's what that's what I would say. Yeah. Yeah, I will do.

Okay. Okay. All right. All right, well, thank you.

Okay. All right, man. Well, God bless. Have a great day.

Okay. All right, God bless. Bye. Okay, bye. Oh, excuse me.

All right. Now, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-2072276. Let me get back to the baptism stuff because I think people might be interested in that. And um So I did some uh here was the math on this. Mathematics.

Here we go. I did some research on this. I started thinking about this.

Now, I've done this before on the radio and for the newbies. Here you go. What I did was, I just put some representative numbers in. and just said, well, what what would happen if? Not saying these all these numbers are perfect and accurate.

It's just let's just do some thinking. Because the Bible doesn't tell us who was baptizing, how many baptisms were occurring, how many people were doing baptisms at any particular time, how many populations there were, what their numbers were. It doesn't say all this stuff.

So we can kinda just do generalities. And um You know, it says for example, three thousand souls were added. In Acts 2:41, it says, So then those who had received the word were baptized. And that day They were added three thousand souls.

So The implication is 3,000 were baptized. the implication.

Well Check this out, just just to think out loud. If twelve disciples were baptizing for eight hours, All of these 3,000 people. It would take approximately one baptism every two minutes. for eight hours straight.

Okay. and an estimate of enough water to baptize a single person is around eighty gallons. and each gallon is eight point three pounds that that's about six hundred and sixty four pounds.

So There is a baptistery if there's a baptistery. Uh in the upper room. With six hundred pounds of water that they've lifted up? But that can only do be done once. As in one person could be baptizing at a time in the upper room and 3,000 people.

It doesn't make any sense, it just doesn't work.

So they would have to go someplace else. typically the Jordan River.

Well, the Jordan River is cold, and I've been to the Jordan. My hand in there, like, oh my goodness, I would not want to go wait around in that. It was cold. But it does have a range of fifty to eighty-five degrees. And Pentecost is in the summer.

and the typical temperature be around 75 degrees.

Well I used to go body surfing, boogie boarding, stuff like this in.

Southern California on the ocean. 75 degree water. You start getting hypothermia after a while because it's 20, you know, 20 and a half. 20, 25 degrees before your your your core temperature. And so you're out there.

Uh, you know, generally you wear a spring suit, a lot of people don't, but you do, and uh, you So anyway, the point is that you get hypothermia in two to three hours. You start, okay, I need to get out, get warmed up, come back, you know, maybe come back and get a hook cup. Chocolate and get up, warmed up, and then go. I would see guys be out there, even in spring suits, which is a light wetsuit. And when the water was, you know, in the seventies, I'd see them in a towel warming up after they'd been out for a couple of hours, a couple, three hours.

So the point is, are you going to have twelve guys in the river immersing people. Because if they're up to their waist They can get hypothermia, but it might take four to six hours kind of a thing. But if it's up at the water, it's up to the waist and they lower someone down in the water to immerse them, they might go down weighing a hundred pounds and they come up weighing a hundred and two pounds because you know clothing gets wet. You do this every two minutes. for eight hours.

How long can you last? Is it realistic to say that? And if you say, well, okay, let's move them further out in the water so that you know they're lift. put them down the water so far. And it's easier.

Well then you have the problem of hypothermia if you put water up to just under their chest area, you know, abdomen chest area.

So they can dip them down in the water, dump them down easily. Then they get hypothermia after two to three hours. If it if that's what if the water's warm. Comparatively speaking. I started doing math like this, but this doesn't make sense.

It just doesn't make sense practically. And what would make sense? if they were sprinkled or poured. And so I'm thinking these things and I'm telling people, you know, What do you think? And they're like, wow, I never thought of that.

I never thought of that.

So, these are some of the thoughts I've had about this. I got more. I could do stuff on John the Baptist, too. Let's get to Dave from North Carolina. Dave, welcome.

You're on the air. Hello. How you doing today? Doing all right. Hanging in there.

So what do you got for me? Yeah, I wanted to ask you this last week and I called you last minute, and it's about to happen again. But the methylene Yeah. The methane in the Old Testament Do you think any of these creatures have survived In modern days. I think that they were all wiped out, but I think the breeding program continued afterwards, which is why we have Goliath and other mentions of Nephilim after the flood.

And there's some very provocative theories that some people have proposed. about the connection with Nephilim. And uh and UFOs. Believe it or not. I love this kind of stuff, so I study those things and think, oh, that's interesting.

Well, that's where I'm going.

Okay. Go ahead, man. There's a guy that I listen to. Frequently KM Baker. And he's from Alabama.

He worked for NASA. And his hobby was studying fast watches.

Okay. was involved with sound vibration studies Of how it could be used in the military. And he connected. But this uh Shofar horn. That they blew around the city of Jericho, sometimes, with blowing that horn vibrations.

And he's he He has adapted that In his study with Bigfoots, and he has been able to call them, he says. With this horn hitting two notes.

Well, um, well, hey, yeah, oh, yeah, you know, I love this kind of stuff. It's fun. It doesn't mean it's true, but it's like, oh, okay, you know, if. If he's got something like that, maybe he can get some get him on film. Get a crew out there and they do the shofar, and Bigfoot comes running and they film them.

That would be the thing to do. You know? Yeah. Yeah, well, if you get an opportunity to YouTube him and listen to his story. He grew up on a farm in Alabama and seen these.

His own family was aware of it.

Okay. And he studied them all across the country. The government was sending him all over the United States, and he would do. private studies on his own time. Yeah.

He's got quite a story to tell about South. Yeah, well something's going on. American Indians have had uh stories of these things.

So, the only reason I'll put half credence in it is because stories from the American Indians have nothing to do, you know, they're not. Conspiratists, but they they there's rumors all in many of the Indian cultures of these things. And then a lot of people said that they've uh encountered them.

So something's going on. What it is exactly, I don't know. Yeah. Maybe they're just Democrats when they get in a bad mood around the woods. I don't know.

You never know. Because they're already mental. You see them howling at the moon. Yeah. And there's music.

You're interested in stuff.

Okay. Okay, brother.

Well, we got to say it.

Okay, good. God bless.

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