Matt Slick Live

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Alright now. Um So Alright, as you guys know, you know, I do apologetics. And.

So one of the things that I've been doing for a while now is going to different uh different venues. To interact with people because it's one of the ways I learned what needs to be tackled. And I went into TikTok, I've gone to Discord, and I go into Clubhouse. Those are the three main areas I go in for live discussions and things like that. And so something is interesting, to me any rate, it's coming up more and more.

is how The Muslims are attacking the doctrine of the Trinity.

Now, I released the newsletter today, and I mentioned this a little bit, and I had this nice conversation with a guy. We're discussing uh Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Counting. How do you count God? And it's a kind of a sophisticated theological, logical kind of argument where they're trying to disprove the Trinity by saying that there's LTP. logical problem with the Trinity indexicals and things like that.

And um Anyway, got a dog bark in the background. Don't know if you guys can hear that, but uh I hope he goes away soon. Nevertheless, um And so this this Muslim uh w Ask me how I count God.

Now, basically, what they're trying to do is find. categories are called sortles. Where they then state that this is how you count things differentiated between God and man.

So he asked me how do you count God? And I said, oh, that's easy. That's really easy. I said, I go like this. One And then I'm done.

And uh Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

And so, uh He didn't. He didn't like that answer. I got a kick out of it.

Well, I just. I start with one. There's only one God. And so I when I get to one, I'm done. Because that's it, there's just one.

And uh Oh man, they they're working so hard to uh To fight against the truth of who God is, these poor Muslims. Anyway, so. Um One of the uh one of the uh things he he kept saying, no, no, you don't understand Mm. And I said, okay, explain to me. And he says, the categories that you use for...

Um for counting, separating from the issue of who God is and man. And I'm laughing because I know where this is coming from. And I said, well, when I go to God, I just count one because He's just one God. And people can be many people.

So however many there are, I count them. That's it. He He didn't like that one either. And so uh We got into this discussion. And um I said, well, you know, God is simply one being.

You know, he was saying that the Trinity is really three gods. These poor people, they don't know what they're doing. Anyway, there's really three gods. And I says, no, by definition, the Trinity is one. He goes, But you're not answering my question.

I said. But that's what the Trinity is. He says you're just begging the question. I said But that's what the Trinity is: one God in three persons, not three gods. That's it.

And I said, well, so what's the problem? And he didn't know what to do. And he started getting frustrated interrupting constantly. And.

So, you know, it's a shame when they just start interrupting. In fact, I noticed that of Muslims a lot is they want to, I don't know how to say it, but apparently what they want to do is control the conversation. They want you to answer a certain way, but I get, you know. And then they don't like it when you go off their script that they've learned from someplace. But uh anyway, for me it was entertaining, it was inter interesting and uh uh I've been uh boning up on LPT, uh the so-called I call it S L P T, so called uh logical problem of the Trinity.

And also indexicals as a means for trying to refute the Trinity. And uh that's an interesting argument. And now this one for counting.

So uh I I'm just gonna say, I wrote about this and what I have to know, I was telling my wife about this last night. And I said, the things that I have to know. I said, the amount of stuff I have to know is just, it's immense. And she she nodded her head slowly. She goes, Yeah.

Because you don't have to know philosophy, logic. I have to know all kinds of arguments. I have to know the doctrines of Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy. Their sub-doctrines of the priesthood, their apostolic succession arguments, baptism arguments, covenant arguments. I had to know Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam.

I have to know about UFOs, logic, transcendentals, particulars, the one in the many. I had to be able to argue all of these and Okay. People really have a high opinion of me. because they think I know all this stuff. I'm like, uh sorry.

For a lot of it, they'll come up with some new stuff. I'll say, I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that. What is that?

Well, you're actually supposed to know it. And I say, Well, thank you that you had such a high opinion of me. And I'm supposed to know that automatically, but I I don't know what it is. At least tell me what it is. I'll take some notes.

I'll do some research. And then they mock me for not knowing something. Man. You know? I wish they would stop.

Marking. But at any rate, so there you go. That's what I've been doing. And I just encourage you. Oh, and by the way, I've got to say this, I'm sorry.

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And so please pray for him. And also pray for this ministry because we need it, and we do need some financial support. And just letting you know that we do need that. Things are getting Things are getting to the point where we need some. I'm just going to say we need some support, all right?

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We don't know how long that'll last because we don't have all the resources to have him continue to be able to. To work on the site and some other things we want to get done, but we didn't have time for it.

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Okay? No big deal. Easy peasy. All right, let's get to Hey, the one and only Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey Matt, I um So I had a question I I've always wondered about. In Mark chapter 5. Think around first. six through thirteen in that area where the demon possessed men approaches Jesus.

And that the uh We are legions. Yeah, so great. Comment. The reason I ask that is because I see a lot of folks who I mean, the these recent shootings These mass shootings. It seems to be the trend that multiple shooters seem to be either trans or or confused some way.

And I just kind of wondered, are we seeing like an outward expression. or something that you know, could reminisce demon possession with some of these folks, especially the last one. I he had some pretty much anti Christian and blasphemous stuff written on, I guess, clips or some of his uh equipment that he used to to do his crime, but I just wanted to kind of hear your thoughts on that. Yeah, it's certainly possible. that the Bible talks about towards the end.

Time is w the rise of Spiritism and denunciation of Christ and Christians and persecution. And ultimately, as the Bible says, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities of darkness.

Well, it's possible that such a guy was possessed or oppressed. And it's possible he wasn't. It's possible he was just mental. and just, you know, it was given over by God to the hatred and the murder.

Now this is a thing that a lot of people don't realize, is that resentment leads to anger. Anger leads to murder. And if these things are not taken care of in the heart before the actions, then death often is the result. But you know, I think overall we're gonna see More and more of this. And as you know, Uh my eschatological view is depressing.

I call it depresscatology. I believe it's going to get bad. I believe it's going to. get worse for Christians all over the world. When the Antichrist rises, I think we're going to be fleeing.

And this is what I believe. And I think it's all part and parcel to the rise of demonic forces and different manifestations. And I think it's it's there, it's coming. More and more. Yeah.

Okay, yeah, it just seemed this particular. Person had just really had it out, and a lot of the stuff they're discovering from the drawings and some of the stuff going on, you just seem to be particularly Demon possessed, I see. I mean I I guess I have one picture he had of himself looking in the mirror and a demon looking back at him and And just all kinds of just strange stuff. But yeah, I I guess, you know, until we know more then it it could be, but But I I think your depressed catology is actually pretty accurate myself.

So Yeah. Yeah.

I taught it uh last week online and people were Kind of blown away by some of the stuff the Bible actually teaches. Hey, there's the music, buddy. We've got to go. All right?

So, God bless your man. Always appreciate your calls, man. All right, God bless. And I sent you that email, by the way. Good, thanks.

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So there we go. We're back on the air. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to. Jim from Iowa.

Jim, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah, here's something that the Mormons need to know. The Smithsonian Institute Never mind. I'm a comment.

Okay. Oh o okay. What church do you go to?

Okay, the Book of Mormon, the Smithsonian Institute never uses the Book of Mormon for archaeology. I use a Bible all the time. Uh what does that tell you?

Okay. Yeah, that that would tell me that the Book of Mormon is not trustworthy because it's not. And yeah, I'm familiar with that. Yeah.

Oh, you already knew that. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's been out for decades. Yeah, it's Smithsonian I'm sorry, they used to send out at three dollars they'd send you a letter telling you that 'cause everybody's asking them. Right, it's well known that the Smithsonian does not use the Book of Mormon because it just has no archaeological bearing.

And you're right, the Bible does, it's accurate, and the Book of Mormon doesn't. It's just a fact. But they don't care. Mormons don't care. They just keep saying, well, something will be found someplace.

Or Incas or Mayans, they use.

Well, it's been since 1830, so they better be hurrying up, pal. Yeah.

Well, have you heard about Quetzaquatl? Oh, that was a fake deal too. Yeah, there well cuts quite a bit. I'm just saying that they've tried that too, and that's been debunked. Yeah.

Okay. Hey makeup, he is makeup still, so. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, they do. Yeah, they do.

It's a cult. And you know, what's interesting to me is. I can get a m a m a For example, a Roman Catholic, an Eastern Orthodox, and a Mormon, put them all in a room. And I can address each one from God's Word, proving their religious systems are false and they don't care. The commonality is they care what their church tells them to believe, and it's just true.

You know what the Bible You know what the Bible says about the Catholic Church, don't you? It says the Catholic Church is the mother of harlots.

Well, it says there is a mother of harlots. We don't know if that's referring to the Catholic Church. It may. I was talking about on Seven Hills and all that. It fits the Catholic Church, there's no doubt.

Yeah, well, I've heard that argument, and there's other interpretations, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not, but I'm with you. The Catholic Church is apostate, and its sister church, these Orthodox, is equally apostate. How much does your newsletter cost? Nothing.

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Okay, no problem. All right. Now let's get to Avery from North Carolina. Avery, welcome. You're on the air.

Hello? Yeah, you're a lot of back down noise, but we can hear you. What's up? Oh, okay. That was uh Just had a question this time.

wanted to know how you feel about um A path to the We'd say that Uh tests are um Um Red. Donald Trump only knew why he got allowed him to win. Yeah.

to bring in the Antichrist. Yeah.

Oh, you can use the animal sky.

Okay. How would you respond? I'd say Okay, why do you say that? I just asked, well, what's the reason for it? Does he just hate Trump?

And he loves Kamala? I don't know. I don't know. Is it TDS? I don't know.

About the ass. That means it's the first. The past. I'm thinking talking about Yeah, uh relationship with. forward as well.

Pretty pretty close to Lord. As well as another person. as well as another a friend of mine Um says the same thing and, you know, she pretty much I want to know it. If she was just saying that, he he was confirming what she said. already in our spirit, you know, which You sound like the whole fear, wasn't it?

about with killing her.

Well, when someone tells me that God, you know, God is, the Spirit was telling me. A red flag goes up. Yeah.

Well, okay, I say maybe that's possible, but we need to check it with scripture. And there's too many people going around right now. God told me this, and that's what the final word is. And I say, no, no, no, you're not an apostle, you're not a prophet. Stay, you know, stop that.

Submit it to scripture. And too many people don't want to do that.

So, but uh But y God can ordain bad things to occur by which good things occur. He ordained, for example, that Joseph's brothers sell him into slavery. And so he was. He was put in there. Or the wicked were predestined by God in Acts 4:27, 28.

To do what God had predetermined that they would do in order for Christ to be crucified.

So logistically It is logically possible that God has raised up Donald Trump to prepare the way of the Antichrist, not that. Donald Trump is an Antichrist. I don't believe he is. But it's certainly possible that God, in his sovereign plan of all kinds of things, has ordained this and that. It's like.

Obama could have been part of the plan, just like Biden could have been part of the plan. S uh ultimate plan.

Okay, and then I've seen it very loosely when I say ultimate plan that God uses all things.

Okay, so. Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay. Yeah.

That's the way I feel too, you know, the same way. You know, either those, you know, all three of them could have. you know, part of God's plan. Yeah, uh it there's you know, God works all things after the counsel of his will.

So Donald Trump being in office and Obama and Biden. To me, Obama and Biden were the judgments, part of the judgments on America. Uh Uh And I think that Trump is doing a really good job in a lot of areas. He's not perfect. But I'm glad he's in because if Kamala had won, then I believe that our country would be basically beyond hope and beyond recovery.

That's just my opinion.

Okay. Man, man. Yeah.

Okay, then that's that's all I was just I wanted to know how you come from. you thought about that, you know, because Yeah. He's just the same, you know, to Church, you know, that kind of thing. Of stuff, and I was just wondering if that was appropriate to say. Yeah, so I.

But w see A lot of Be careful how I say things. Because I don't want to sound like I know more and I'm better than other pastors and things. That's not the no, but. But the thing is, there's just a lot of pastors uh just they're not critical thinkers in a lot of areas and They need to, in my opinion, a lot of pastors need to. up their game when it comes to logic and thought.

and biblical fidelity. That's just my opinion.

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Alright everyone, welcome back to the show.

So in the chat room on Rumble.

Someone made a comment that a bill was proposed by a certain state about Trump derangement syndrome. I'm going to look it up during the break and I did and I found it. Um And yeah, there was a bill, Minnesota's Republicans bill to define Trump derangement syndrome as mental illness. provokes backlash. This is awesome.

The bill authored by, to give some names, Called for Trump derangement syndrome to be added to the list of definitions related to mental health care in Minnesota. The bill's authors define in the bill's wording the syndrome as: quote, the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. It goes further to argue that, quote, Produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of sight. Signs of psychotic pathology.

in President Donald J. Trump's behavior.

So Yeah. That's awesome. Um So, uh yeah We're trying to pass a bill.

Well, you know, TDS trumped arrangements. I think there's something to it because. Because people Man. They just automatically Trump's evil, Trump, this, Trump. And he does something good.

It's like those at his inauguration, or whatever it was, inauguration, when they had all the Dems sitting there. And.

Really good things were happening that he was talking about, and they wouldn't even applaud. They're just deranged. They can't even applaud something good. This shows you how bigoted and hateful they are. Oh, and those are the people running our country.

Oh, man, we're in trouble. And by the way, how did Omar, the Muslim woman who hates America? How do you Become a millionaire. Hey, let's get to Scott. From Texas.

Hey Scott, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, to answer the question, I've heard two different definitions. is on demons Yeah. The way I understand it is fallen angels are demons, but then I've had somebody else explain.

The fallen angels are actually Were the offspring, like when the angels came down and bred with women, they created the Nephilim, and then when they died. What that? I'm I'm not sure. What is your what is your opinion?

Well, my opinion is I'm not exactly sure. Because we know there's angels. And we know that many of them have fallen at different levels: principalities, powers, things like that.

Now what's interesting about the demons is that biblically speaking, they seem to always want to inhabit something. pigs or people and things like that. And so the The inference drawn, not that it's, oh, this is proof, but you know, it's inference. that the uh the offspring, the Nephilim from the you know Genesis 6, That when they were killed in the flood, that they were then released from their bodies and they want to reinhabit bodies, hence they're what's called demons. I think there's a merit to it, to that logic.

But I don't know what the uh I don't know what the truth is. I can only tell you those are some of the series. Yeah, kind of another question. When the angels were God, the ones who bred with women, he locked them up in etern in chains before the judgment. That wouldn't do the entire population of the pollinators, would it be?

No, um Apparently, let's see, in chains. Uh You work on Tom Matt? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And Jude mentions it as well. The dark one. I'm trying to find the word. Um Yeah, and angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, he has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day.

So that's just another one of the issues that we don't know about. It gives us clues, but we can't sol solidly say, here's what this means. That's one of the other ones. And here's something else. In Genesis 6:9, it says that Moses, it says that Noah.

was uh perfect in all his generations. all his ancestry. which lends support to the idea of uh the Nephilim offspring with fallen angels.

Now When you go to Daniel chapter 2, verse 43, it's really interesting. And I'm going to just expand on this a little bit more than what you've asked. But it says in the statue of Nebuchadnezzar. There's the gold, then there's silver, then. bronze and then clay mixed with iron at the feet.

And when you saw the iron mixed with clay, and this is supposed to be time frames, uh kingdoms that have come. they will combine with one another in the seat of men. And that phrase is really interesting, or it says people combine with one another with the seed of men. The they don't seem to be people.

So it looks like this breeding thing may go on again. And what's really interesting to me is when you go to Luke 17, 26, Just as the days of Noah Days of Noah, right?

So shall it be the day of the coming of the Son of Man. They were eating, they were drinking, they were giving in marriage, till the day that Noah entered the ark and the flood came and destroyed them all. The wicked are the ones who were eating and drinking and giving in marriage. And in Matthew 24, it says the flood came and took them all away, and that's who was destroyed. And two men on the field, one is taken, one is left, they say that's the rapture.

No, it is not. Absolutely not. The two men in the field, one taken, one is left, that's not the rapture at all. But it's the wicked who were taken. And they asked Jesus where they were taken.

He says, Where the body is of vultures gather. Anthony of Luke.

So here's Luke 17.

So here's the thing. Could it be? We don't know. Just throw this out. Could it be that the breeding program of the Nephilim was to destroy the Messianic line?

God wiped him out with the flood, and then the Nephilim continued after, though to a far lesser degree, after the flood, and that the, let's just say, breeding program, I'll use that as a generic term, will continue on and manifest in the last days before the return of Christ. And uh that that's just a question.

Okay. Yeah, it's kind of a kind of a weird thing. I know this is kind of the same. I've listened to Brandon Holthouse, his latest podcast on On aliens. I've always believed that aliens are, I don't believe in little green men.

I believe that they're demons that are just manifested to. And I believe, and he was talking about how that the like 63% of the abductees. were female. And then he said that the questions they asked when they did the survey. that they were I'm wondering, I don't I may I may be totally off, but Could it be that maybe the same ones who created the Nephilim are trying to do it again with through unbelieving fem women 'cause it didn't the the advantage of the old Christians don't get abducted.

It's the ones who, you know, the Yeah.

So I'm wondering is there anything to that or I mean I'm just stuck in my head.

Well, Chuck Missler did a lot of research on this, and if you go to khouse.org, the letter K house.org. I don't know if you know who he was. He passed away a few years ago, but he was an absolute brilliant researcher, and he had an IQ of who knows how much. And one of those kind of guys. He was on Donald Ronald Reagan's uh team and he was called into he would be the one called into fix corporations.

and make them work again. And he was just brilliant.

Well, at any rate, so Some of the research I read from him. says that Christians don't get abducted. I didn't know about the m majority being women, but that makes sense. I have another reason for saying that. But also apparently these the abductees sometimes Say that they're taught theology, and the theology is that Jesus is not God, we're all divine, reincarnation is true, and that when people who are abducted call out to Christ, their abductions end.

So it could be That these aliens, logically speaking, in the realm of logic possibility, it could be that they are actually Nephilim. And uh there's a bunch of going on. Yeah, because I remember the phrase on it says the Nephilim were here before the flood. And after, yes.

So it would have to be 'cause all the bodies were destroyed. that the ones who created that one were still Yeah. Still have the ability, I would think.

Now think about this. We're just having fun. We're just talking out loud. Don't know how much of this is true or not true, but these are the possibilities and some of the theories that people have raised.

Well, let's just look at this. If it's the case at the Nephilim of the half-breeds. and if they're continuing, and if the UFOs are them. And uh oh side note, I've done the math on uh On I'm not a great mathematician, but I can go to AI and I can ask questions and it'll do the math for me. But the odds of life forming by chance in the universe is basically zero.

It's not going to happen. I can get into all that sometimes.

So something's going on. These are spiritual things. They're either interdimensional creatures or they are naphilim, physical creatures. There's been lots of accounts. I got so many things you could talk about.

But at any rate, um I'll get back onto that. What if What if the UFO phenomena will be a means of deception? There's actually later on. You know? I think it might be possible.

Hey, hold on, we got a break, okay? You and I had some good conversations. We'll be right back, folks, after these messages for this out of this world conversation. Please stay tuned. We'll be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with s Scott from Texas. Scott, welcome.

You're on the air. Thank you. Yeah, one thing I was thinking about also is on the deal with the aliens, or whatever you're going to call them, being demons. There was a book written, and I cannot remember the author, it was a female who wrote a book about. how in the future When that was written, that there will be the aliens will come and get the bad people and remove them.

to re-indoctrinate us. Or to and then the good people be left, and I'm sort of thinking, wait a minute, that's how they'll explain the rapture. Yeah, well, here's the thing. That's another topic altogether. The preacher rapture, I don't think, is biblical at all.

And I have very good arguments against it. And I think part of the problem with the preacher of rapture idea is that it it weakens the person's uh Sensibilities and becoming forthright and strong to resist evil through the tribulation period. And that's another issue. I hope I'm wrong, but that's just my position. No.

And uh Ca can I switch a gear real quick? 'Cause I I'm I I listen to you. I've been listening to you for a long time and I've I've I take what you say because it helps me. Um Back to it. As a When you look in the, you know, it says in Matthew 24: it says, no one knows the hour of the day, you know, of the coming of the Son of Man by Jesus Himself during that time and his humanity.

But the thing is Isn't it true that during the tribulation, people who are in the tribulation will know the day, the hour, the location, the season because of Daniel 9, 27? And Zachariah 14, where it says, you know, Mount of Olives in the evening. during the warm season. Or wouldn't it be I mean, what is your thinking? Because, like I say, it's not a salvation issue, so I have friends that believe the same way.

But it's not a salvation issue not worth getting hot and bothered over. But the thing is, if you now if you're received signing the peace agreement or the t the two witnesses, then you'll know exactly when you're where you're at. And that you'll know the exact date, time, hour, and seasoning of the coming, the second coming, not before. That would be and Matthew says you don't know the hour of the day, but that wouldn't that make sense that that would refer to the rapture and then when you get in the tribulation, then you'll know the day the information. What is what is your thinking on that?

I mean, I know it's switching subjects, but they're just Yeah. I'd like to know what you think.

Well To summarize it, if the rapture happened on any particular day, The people who get saved during the tribulation period, if it's preacher rapture, they'll know all they gotta do is add seven days, seven years, exactly. They'll know that Christ returns.

So That's what you're getting at, and that would be problematic.

Now, when it says no man knows the deed or the hour, not even the sun, that's an idiom dealing with the wedding feast. And it doesn't mean it isn't known. It has to do with the Submission to the will of the Father, that only the Father. Logistically, he will say certain things when it can occur. He's just submitting to the will of the Father.

That's what's going on. But yeah, I teach what's called the preschatology. And thanks, Cody. And I teach that things are going to get worse. I believe they can get worse.

There are two views that, in my view, are kind of an escapist view, and that's pre-chibrapture, premillennialism, and also post-millennialism. Everything's going to get better. And I hope they're both either one is right. I hope both of them are right. I don't like my position, I just think it's biblical.

And I would. love it if I was wrong. But I just see the scriptures teaching that things are to get bad and not good. In fact, in Matthew 24:22. Jesus says, if those days be not cut short, no flesh would be left.

Now, is he talking only about 70 AD, or is he talking about all of mankind? And I believe it's all of mankind. Things are gonna get bad. Anyway, that's my position. And uh we'll see.

Yeah, it's not not a salvation issue, but there's so many people I have friends that would going to you know, they just get knocked down and drag out. It's like, no, we can agree to disagree, it's okay. Let's go have let's go have coffee. Right, we can disagree. Yeah, too.

That's okay. And the thing is, it's not a salvation issue.

Now, when it comes to salvation, obviously, that is a hard stop on that. If somebody says you can get saved by just being a good person or something like that, yeah. Right. But uh back on the Ian, as you were getting ready to tell me something, I'm sorry, I've my brain is going two different directions. Yeah, that's okay.

No, because they're all kind of interrelated. One of the things I'm really worried about in the Christian church, and I'm not the Christian church speaker, it's just. Me and my, you know, whatever, but I just don't think the Christian church is doing its job. And uh Maybe. Christians are are just most mostly lax.

And the last service I went to, the this sermon was an inch deep and was moralistic and could have been taught in a Mormon church unchanged. And um And with three services it was packed. And it's just that to me, it's like at the door. Here, here's some MMs, here's some candy, this is what we're going to feed you. And if you go to my church, it's like, okay, sit down, bring the knife, the steak knives, because we're going to get into some heavy stuff.

And not all the time, you know, but I mean, we need some depth and not this babysitting mentality that I say is going on. And don't worry about it because we're going to get out of here in the rapture. This kind of stuff drives me crazy. Crazy. I wish they would stop it and start getting people to turn.

Turn towards their neighbors and said, You need Jesus, and start supporting missionaries and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, anyway, it's me whining about this again.

Okay, yeah. It's okay. I've been listening to you long enough where I and The thing is we may not agree on everything, but but the core of which matters is is the same, but I thought that Actually, I have some of my best friends, we we disagree on some of the the fringes that it's non It's not a salvation issue, so at the core is Christ. Yes. I mean and they're not teaching they're teaching that What we see is more and more passed Pasture I say pasture, but I use that term loosely.

Were they are willing to compromise with sin and say, well, you know, God says, you know, it's okay. And that's not what he says. He says, if you practice these things, he said, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. It's like. And they will be held accountable for that, for teaching that.

Yeah.

Stop like Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

Well, hey man, I appreciate I appreciate you Taking my call. Sure, no problem, man. Yeah, no problem. Yeah, you know, that's that's it. We have a ju I love talking about UFOs.

It's it's just an esoteric topic and there's so many varied things. I've done a lot of study on it though. A lot of study. I've read a lot of stuff. Yeah.

And uh propulsion system ideas and uh dimensional movement and things like that, you know.

So they can look at the Like when they when the military saw that they could go Mach thirteen, With no heat, no wave, and they can go in the water and go with like 500 knots underneath water with no. There's no wave, no disruption. That's not a that's not a fit that's something that We can't move. Yeah.

That's right. There's a lot of there's a lot of uh We're just rapping nobody left, no nobody's calling, nobody else is calling. There are um I mean to tell you a story. This is... This is, I read this, or I heard this in a tape discussion of two guys.

They were just talking. They had done a lot of uh research on this topic. And they went and they found out about black works groups in Boeing and things like this. I forgot which group it was. And they cornered One of the main speakers who was heading up one of these groups, these black groups.

to their secret work. and the real high-tech stuff. And this is take it for what you want. What's that? Yeah.

You like water? No, something else. It was another something, but it's just Black Ops Works or something. There was something that they called it. And it's a super high echelon level of research that only certain people can get into and be involved with, and they're sworn to secrecy and NDAs and things like this.

Anyway, so they were talking to this one guy who gave a. a speech on propulsion systems. And so there's apparently something to do with plates of metal that can be put. within angstroms distance from each other, and they put photons in them, in the the spaces between them, and a certain whe energy or whatever, and it causes a uh a field to to go where momentum is not um really in effect.

So it's kind of a nurture-dampener kind of a thing. Anyway, so this is what they were talking about. I'm like, okay, whatever. True, false. I don't know.

I'm just listening. And they were discussing this and uh they said they went to this one um Discussion and they cornered the main guy in the backstage, and they kept hounding him on stuff. And this is what they said: He got really irritated with him at one point and said, Look, just keep quiet. We've already been to the stars, go away. And he walked off.

And they're just standing there stunned. And so You know, what what does that mean? Is it a couple of guys just, you know, Drinking too much, and they made up a podcast. Hey, I had an idea, let's say a bunch of stupid stuff, and people believe it. Who knows?

Can't corroborate it. But You know. I've heard so many stories. In the decept the age of deception that we're in, It's so Much So much harder. in depth than we will ever know until we're with the Lord.

I mean, just It's it's scary. Actually, we don't have we probably don't have an idea. Uh let me see you get to this. Um Well, I have to seem to kind of believe that because I don't want to know everything that's going on. Thanks if I scare me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've been exposed to a lot of stuff. Over the years, uh one guy uh has studied um viral Viruses. and says that uh there are certain things kept under wrap that if they got out they would wipe out, you know, basically all of mankind. He says, and that that's decades old. There's stuff like that that that they're playing with.

And Another I'm gonna not tell you contexts, but those who just got a couple of minutes were just blabbing. One guy I knew whose succeed his IQ was exceedingly high. Um He talked about a brother of his. the government had. and they're working on human cloning.

This is back in the 80s. And they said they've already done it. complete human cloning. Um talked about groups where uh there are physical locations where uh people with super brains, I mean super, super smart people, not just smart people, super, you know, those weird kind of people that are so smart, where they work on anything they want to work on. And The government just feeds 'em.

Feeds them money. Feed some Tech feeds them whatever they want, and they just work on projects. He says the stuff they've got. is incredible. And then there's another group Who's got Tesla's notes?

in his because he came up with some ideas, they're still trying to figure out. And they're trying to break through what some of the stuff he was actually accomplishing. Because a lot of people don't know about Nikola Tesla and what he was working on. But the government after his death confiscated his notes. quickly.

And they've been working on that stuff. He was a super genius. Any rate. Just stuff. You know?

And then I look in the mirror and go, Hey, my hair's parted wrong. And that that's my, you know, level of, you know. Yeah.

Okay. So that's it. Hey, hey, look, it's from the wrong side. How did it So There you go. All right.

All right, brother, we're about out of time.

Okay, it was good talking with you. Amen. God bless. I'll pack another time. We'll talk.

Alright. Yeah.

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