Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. Hope you're gonna have a good time listening today. If you want to give me a call on this lovely September 24th, 2026, all you got to do is dial 8772-07-2276. And you can also, if you are so inclined, you can email me info at carm.org, info at carm.org, and just put the subject line radio comments or radio question.

And we can get to it. I think I do that sometimes. I like doing that, like answering questions. And uh So there we go. Oh man.

So I'm prepping for a debate. And tonight I'll be on in roughly two hours, two hours from now, debating should Protestants be Trinitarian.

So I've been working on that a little bit. And the link to watch. will be on uh is is on actually right now it's on um The calendar at Carm. Just go to carm.org forward slash calendar, and you'll see the debate setup thing right there. And uh, So there you go.

Okay, and uh it should be interesting. And usually we d I do uh an after show as well. And uh And people come in and we talk and strengths and weaknesses of arguments and things and how to go and stuff like that.

So if that sounds interesting, you can I'll probably put the same link or put an after-show link on the same thing next to the on the calendar. I usually put an after-show link and add it into last minute.

So there's that. If you want to do that, you can. And we got calls coming in, moving the camera over here. I forgot to do this right before the show, so to get that going. And um It makes it a little bit better.

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So, let's now get on with Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, I um I wanted to ask you about Revelation chapter 13 in the Beast System. And I just want you maybe to give your thoughts on a thought I had.

I I think I understand uh what the B system is. As far as a system opposed to God, but I also wonder: is some of it employed today? And I say that because I happen to be one of those O C D guys like like yourself and I uh I was just listening to the I think they call it the there's a Canadian COVID-19 forum. basically. And it a lot of people who are vaccine, injured, having issues and It's a four-day panel, multiple hours.

But I just wondered if anyone is complicit in something like this, where these people are obviously telling the truth. And being hurt. Are they a part of a beast-like system? Because at one point you can't ignore people suffering. to the point where it It's like you're it's it's like oh, you're complicit in this now.

True. There's a lot of legality and little issues that are interrelated and things like that.

So it's difficult to kind of nail them down without getting some experts in who know about certain things related to that. But, you know, with the issue of what is the beast in Revelation 13, it seems to be an individual. I know that some people think it's a system, a political system, but Part of what we call the unholy trinity, the beast, the false prophet, and Satan, you know, the dragon.

So it this what's interesting is it's called it has seven heads, seven mountains, seven kings, which lends itself towards the idea of a system. political system, governmental system. But the beast itself and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire.

So. It could be just a political system at some point at that point.

So there might be a combo of the two. An individual who represents that, who uses this kind of a system to exercise control. And there's different views on it. I'm not sure I've even been answering your question, just kind of reviewing and opening up some of the possibilities there.

So Cute.

Okay. No, I I think that's, you know, that's solid enough. It's um And it may not be that exact thing per se, but I can definitely see. A correlation or a relation spiritually because some of this, it's the Allison inquiry, some of the testimonies. from people who were serving in the military there, and first responder doctors right who are just Sensors.

very similar to here in other places and it lets me know that, hey, there's something systematically wrong. Yeah. With a lot of these people suffering and being ignored intentionally. That's all.

So, just a thought I had.

Well, you know, if the government started acknowledging that the COVID vaccine stupidity was uh harmful, then it'd be open up to all kinds of lawsuits, and they're they're not going to admit that. And uh so my wife didn't take it, I didn't take it. I know lots of people refused to take it, and we know people who did take it.

So yeah, I've heard that there's a lot of problems. And um and that reminds me. That reminds me.

So I haven't done it in a year or two now, but it wouldn't take me long to re-figure it out. But I went to the CDC website and I actually gave instructions on how to do it on my wrote on COVID because I knew something was up with COVID. I knew that it was a means of oppression. And so I wrote on it. I went to the CDC website.

I'm trying to remember the numbers, but basically from 19, I think it was 64 through the present of a couple of years ago, two, three years ago, four years ago, when I wrote those articles, the number of deaths associated with all vaccines combined was something like, I don't know, I want to say 6,000 or 9,000 or something like that. of all combined vaccines since 1964, and the death associated with the COVID vaccines in like two or three years was well over thirty thousand. And I produced the numbers from the CDC. I learned how to go into the CDC site and extract numbers by their own criteria, by their database. I learned how to do that.

And I gave instructions, like I said, how to do that. Uh I got banned on YouTube for saying that and showing information. I got banned.

So something's going on. They don't want information out there. But uh There's a lot of a lot of harm done by that COVID vaccine, a lot of it. Absolutely. Yep.

Yeah, and that was talked about too, as well as now Fiji is having an HIV epidemic that they didn't have several years ago. There's something going on. It just makes me wonders. Yeah, they're they. They have multiple people that they've declared it a national emergency Where there wasn't one just few years ago.

So it you know, it just You start to connect dots, and I'll just say they're worth the inquiry. I can't say what's going on. I could say some things look certain ways, but Yeah, a lot of places are having problems now and everyone's looking for an answer, but it might be there in front of them, so who knows? True. These vaccines were just that they were.

We had a meeting here in Idaho early on with the COVID thing, and I went to this meeting, and there were doctors up there. Who were saying, oh, there's some problems. And they were giving information. It was very disturbing information very quickly that this was being pushed as an agenda and that these things are harmful. And I forgot this stuff, but there were so many details.

I took a lot of notes. I don't know where my notes are. And it was. It was really obvious that this was being pushed. Uh head up.

My personal opinion was that it was a push and attempt, in part, to see how much they could control people, but with fear. And to see what would happen. And uh yeah, it it worked. Uh-huh. Stupidity wearing a mask, you know, keeping six feet.

I researched. The size of the microbes that were for the virus. and found out that most of the stuff you wear is useless. You have to have an N95 or better mask. And if you even touch the mask on the outside once, then it's contaminated with the COVID vaccine, I mean, with the COVID virus.

Because it's all over your hands. It's everywhere. You touch the mask once, then you're breathing it out. Pushing through it. Yeah, it was ridiculous.

It was ridiculous. Oh, I found out so much information. My hand. Anyway.

Okay, brother, sorry about that. You got me going. No, I I think we'll be hearing more about this in the coming weeks and months is but this is just some conspiracy. It's it's conspiracy. It just seems to be spiritually inclined in nature for people that You know, they can do kind of serve darkness that's that's the way it looks like so we'll find out more i'm sure Oh yeah, we will.

That's right. That's right, Jermaine. God bless, buddy. All right. God bless you, man.

Alright.

Well, Jermaine's always got good questions and stuff. Let's get to Mims from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Fuck.

Hey Mac, how you doing? I'm doing all right, hanging in there. Hanging in there, man. What do you got, buddy? All right.

Question for today. Uh, do you think the Catholic Church is a part of this market of bees? It could be. It's an apostate false religion, and uh I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Uh-huh.

Next question, what's the difference? Between is Catholic Christians and Christians.

Well, Catholics aren't Cr if they if Catholics affirm official Roman Catholic theology, they're not Christians. They're just uh they're called Catholics. Like a Muslim's called a Muslim, you know, they're Muslims. They're just in a different religion. It's not really uh it's not true Christianity.

So uh the differences, you want to know what the differences of uh they are between Catholics and and Protestants?

Well, authority is one of them. Baptist, Methodists. I mean was all the fall fall upon the calculated. No.

Now they're they're all under the umbrella of Protestants.

Now there are variations within them, but but the majority simply is this way. In Protestantism the final authority is is Scripture, but in Catholicism the final authority is the Pope and the Magisterium. And uh clergy you can be married in Protestantism, but in Catholicism they're supposed to be celibate.

So uh Third. Mary is considered a a very blessed woman in Protestantism, but she's a functioning goddess in Catholicism. They've exalted her just to a ridiculous level. I've talked on this many times. Protestants deny purgatory, but the Catholic Church affirms it.

Protestants deny that saints in heaven can hear millions of prayers simultaneously spoken in thought, but the Catholic Church teaches they can. Sacraments, they are the visible manifestation of the covenant signs that God has given us. But in Catholicism they're means of grace. They impart grace into your soul. by participating in them.

In Catholicism, uh salvation is by keeping commandments. And it Christianity, biblical Christianity, it's not by keeping commandments. And we have 66 books in the Bible, they have 73, and tradition. We think tradition is valuable, but it's subservient to Scripture, where they say tradition is equal to scripture.

Okay? A lot of differences. Mm-hmm. Right.

So you so you're saying that Christianity, Baptist, Presbyterian, all of them have different denominations. They don't fall off under the Catholics. No.

No, they don't hold to a Pope. They don't hold to the Eucharist being the actual body and blood, the substance is changed, but the particulars don't ma uh don't aren't changed. We don't believe in praying to Mary and and uh turning her into a functioning goddess. We don't leave them purgatory. Don't believe that salvation is by word.

Hmm? What about your archbishops? That are acting as the priest. They're falling for that Catholic, don't they? The archbishops.

Well, that would depend on which denomination If there's any in Protestantism that would then have someone they would call that, then you'd have to look at the office and the definition of what it is that they say it is. Then you could answer the question. But I don't know of any archbishops except it's only a Catholicism. Amen. Hold on, we got a break coming up, okay?

Hold on, bro, okay? Hey folks, if you want to give me a call, we have two open lines: 8772-07-2276. Give me a call. I'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Alright, welcome back to the show. I guess we lost our caller, who was on hold. And if you want to give me a call, you can. All you have to do is dial 8772072276.

And with that having been said, let's get to Drew from Kentucky. Drew, welcome here on the air. Oh, hey brother. The sorry has I Can you hear me? I hear you, brother.

What's up, man? What do you got?

Okay, sorry.

Sorry, I had to turn my lawnmower off. 2 Corinthians chapter 13, verse number 14, the end of. The Apostle Paul's second letter to the Corinthians. This is something that I read the other night. Uh my wife, we were going to talk about it.

And the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love. of God, the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. My focus was going to be on the grace, the love and fellowship. After I read that verse, she said. She said, There's a Trinity.

That's right. How could people not see that? How could people not see Yeah. How could they not see the Trinity? Because God's not granted them to understand the truth.

In Acts 16, 14, God opened the mind of Lydia to believe the things spoken of by Paul. In Luke 24, 45, I think it is, Jesus opens the mind of the disciples to believe the word of God. In 1 Corinthians 2, 14, it says, the natural man cannot or does not receive the things of God, for they're foolishness to him. The reason you and your wife can see this is because God in His grace has opened your heart and your mind, and you can see what it clearly says. And that's that's it, that's why they do it exactly.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, she was just. I passed our church. I've been teaching for many years.

I passed our church. And it just, it kind of blew my mind that. Um my wife just out of literally out of the blue, some speak, said There's the Trinity. And we weren't even discussing the Trinity and she's like She is right. She was in on it.

I said, We're done. You finished the discussion. And I said, I'm going to call Matt Flake and tell him what you did. That's right. It is good stuff.

Yeah, it's the last verse of 2 Corinthians. And I often, in fact, I preached a week and a half ago in Southern California, and that was the verse I used as they asked me to do a benediction at the end as I was a preacher. And so I went to this verse. And this is what I read. The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

It's let the Word of God bless. And it is true. I like it. It is. Good stuff.

You know what, Matt? Yeah. The thing is, Matt, you never know how the Lord's going to work. in various areas, various places through various people, you know, believers. Share things.

True. If that makes any sense. Absolutely. Yeah, we just don't know. Whether it's like a next-door neighbor or a thousand miles away, we just don't know.

We just don't know. That's right. And we just trust that God uses all kinds of people to realize and see all kinds of things. Absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I'm always learning from everybody. Yep, good stuff. Good stuff. All right, brother.

That's all I got. And just uh appreciate the ministry and uh love your bro and uh Hopefully, I get a chance to talk to you soon again, give a call back. That's usually podcasts I listen to, but uh Um I gotta take a chance, you know, take a moment to call and say, this is what my wife is, my lovely bride. It sounds like she's got a good head on her shoulders. It gives me spiritual insight.

Oh yeah, she does. She does.

So Yeah. Yeah, my wife did too, but I couldn't couldn't understand why she married me anyway.

So, you know, there's Yeah, I know. Perplexer. Yeah, I've been listening to you for ten to fifteen years, so I know. I know the stories. Yeah.

Well, you know how it is. That's what it is. Good for you. Really? Yeah, real quick.

One more thing. I remember on just one more thing, real quick. Uh the Bible thinks something went nut. We guys were on there one night and uh The shaving cream. I got to share this.

The shaving cream. I don't know if you remember this or not. You guys were talking about shaving cream. and using uh your wife's shaving cream. And You may or may not remember that or not.

No, I don't use shaving cream. I only use water. That's all I've ever used. You all use water? There was an episode about that.

But anyway, we had a lot of fun. I'll quit right. Oh, yeah. Yep, that was. That was a lot of fun listening on there.

That's how I first came across you: on that show: like, who's this Matt Slick guy?

So. Um use your website a lot, use your stuff a lot, and uh Praise God, we're a supporter of you financially and just thankful for everything you do, brother. Absolutely. We really are. And uh God bless you.

And uh Yeah, I know. I know. We same here in our church. We need support too, but Is it a smaller skill of Yeah, we have about thirty five to forty. Yeah, it's a good-sized turn.

Yeah. Oh, excuse me. I love yawning. Oh, sorry about that. But yeah, it's a good size.

They say up to about 100 is about as max as one pastor can really do. And about half that size is really workable, very nice. But yeah. Good. Yeah, it is.

It is. But love your brother. I'll get off here, let somebody else get on the phone. But I just wanted to. throw that verse out there and uh see what you thought of it and uh Appreciate it.

Get your view on it. All right, buddy. Good job. Oh, all right. All right, go ahead.

You too. Bye.

Okay, good. Yeah, that's good stuff, you know. Um Just seeing the Word of God and coming to understanding things. Go, hey, look at that. I like that.

I've had several things like that happen in my life where, you know, personally, I discovered something I know others have known, but it's like, hey, look at this. And my wife, my late wife, she had the ability a lot of times to see things in ways that I wouldn't see. And that's what I would do. I would take a theological perspective and I would analyze it. Me, I'm going to analyze it in depth.

And then I would go say, You mind if I run this by you? And she'd say, Okay. And she knew it could be complicated or not complicated, and I would just run it by her. And you know, having she'd been my wife for so many years, she heard a lot of stuff. A lot of Bible studies I'd taught, a lot of preaching I'd done, a lot of radio I'd done.

She'd always listened.

So she learned a lot of stuff. She really did have a a a good head on her shoulders as far as that goes. And I remember I would run stuff by her, and I would actually honestly, intentionally listen to what she said, because she would often come up with a little angle I hadn't thought of. That's a good point. And it was an insight ability she had where I would give a bunch of stuff I would see, and she goes, Oh, that's good stuff.

And then she says, Have you thought about this? And I enjoyed that. I always enjoyed that with her, that she would bring things up. And It was good. You know, and what's the nice thing about having a good wife is that in my sermons, and she'd listen, I would, you know, driving home or we'd be someplace, whatever, I'd say, all right, give me some feedback.

Because one of the very few people I would ever trust, because she knew she could say things to me, I'm not going to get offended, and she would make a comment and say, I think you can improve in this way you said that wasn't as clear. And I'd listen and always looked for improvement, and she was a good sounding board. And one of the things, I'm talking about this. When I did a lot of pulpit supply, and she would go with me sometimes to different churches. And uh when I was assistant pastor and stuff at a church, s some of the different contexts, she'd be sitting there and she'd always sit where I could see her.

And when I would speak too fast, she'd rub her nose, which meant slow down. Stuff like that. Anyway, very helpful. Hey, we have nobody waiting. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8772.

072276 will be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Bottom of the hour, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 8772072276.

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Alright, now let's get to Olive. North Carolina. Welcome, you're on the air. It's not Hello. What?

Thank you. Um send messages to people and help them Can angels what to people and help them? Can they show to appear to people? Is that what you're saying? What?

Yes, they can. They did in the Old Testament in many places. And people there's stories all over the world of of angels appearing to people and Christians seeing them. Yeah, they can appear and they can help people. There's all kinds of stories like that I've heard over the years.

Yeah. What type of angels?

Well, now that's a good question because there's different types of angels. There's archangels.

Okay. There's just angels. There are powers, principalities. We have cherubim, we have seraphim. There's different things that the Bible says about different kinds of angels, but they're created by God, and a lot of them.

went bad in the spirit realm, but they went bad. But we have a lot of good angels out there, and they carry out God's word and his will among people on the world in the world.

Okay. Love it when kids call. You got any more? Any more questions? Yeah.

Can't swell. Again?

Well, I um Um a cup well, last year an angel Well we well, I was asking do they have sends Put text or do they send messages? I c I'm sorry. Couldn't understand you. Could you ask that again? What what's what was your question?

Yeah. You were playing. Do they protect or do they send messages? Do they send? Do they soon?

Um And No. I said the reference. You chance? Angels send masses or do they? Or do they find theming.

Yeah. Did they send messages? Messages? Is that it?

Well Uh what what they've been known to do um is just appear often and tell someone something, a message. and disappear? or help someone through something. I've uh one of my favorite stories is about uh uh some people I I'd heard of, and they told me this story that they their car broke down in a desert, and when it broke down, one of the three guys? Three guys in a car had an accident and one of them was really badly injured.

And a man drives up in a vehicle, a car, and takes the wounded or the hurt guy and another guy to a hospital. And when they all walked into the room and when he turned around, he disappeared. He was gone. And the car was gone. And it was not, it was too fast.

It happened too fast for him. For them to have missed him, you know, he just walked away. They said within seconds, he was just gone. Stuff like that. You had stories like that all over the world.

People help.

Okay. Thank you, Joe. You're welcome. Oh man, I love it when you call. The ones call.

It's so nice. Yeah. This is my She was really interested in angels. Last year we had a a crazy experience where our um camera picked up Um, it looks like an angel, and and then a dark figure about a foot tall. In our backyard.

And we were just talking about it again Um and so when we have a picture of it because it came up on our um camera. And how we were looking at it, like it's an angel, and we're trying to figure out what type of angel it would be. It looks like. Has six wings. It's a crazy picture, but it's very crazy.

Send it to me. Bright light with wings. Yeah, I could do that. Yeah, I'd love to see that. Uh-huh.

And then you can you can see I um I have the original picture and then I have a picture of like uh the dark figure uh that's eight foot tall. Um you can see our fence line, it's about five foot t it's five foot tall and the figure uh is huge. It's absolutely huge. That's not uncommon. I've seen videos like that and heard stories like that.

People see things and sometimes animals will for some reason track with their eyes something moving across a room. You know, just two, three different animals in a house. We'll watch something move. Yeah, there's stuff. There's stuff that happens out there.

Absolutely. Nope. we even we had a neighbor, like a little boy, he's six years old, saying that he saw very strange, outside of our property limit, a tree moving trying to get him. No, and he was really scared. I'm like, What?

when he was saying that a little boy like across the street and we were really shocked and just really weird stuff. But we definitely pray a lot. And we haven't had anything since. And we had our Bible study pray and we felt much peace. Yeah.

Good, good, good. Yeah, a lot of times there's history to a location you're at that needs to be, so to speak, prayed over, anointed to closed doors because there's sometimes activity can occur. I used to be involved in the occult spiritism stuff before I was a Christian.

So, yeah. Oh. Yeah, we just. When that happened, we weren't here that long.

Okay, yeah. You just pray and I can give recommendations and stuff like that. I've talked to people and gone over people's houses. I've had things happen. You know, and there's things you can do.

Stuff's all real. It happens. And we take it seriously. Absolutely. So, there you go.

Thank you so much. You're welcome. Send me that picture. I'd love to see. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, I'll speak to you. Send me your information. It's just info at carm.org. You know their website? Have you been to my website?

No, I haven't. You can also just send it, and this send it to Matt Slick at Gmail. That's my name, Matt Slick. It's my real name. Matt Slickett Gmail.

Okay? You can send it there. Thank you. Yeah. Okay, God bless.

God bless. Man, I love it when little ones call in. Oh, man, it's just awesome. I just love it.

So, so good. All right. Let's get to Melanie from Ohio, then Jeff from Virginia.

So, Melanie, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you. Thank you so much. I was calling in regards to Janane's question about the COVID vaccines and questions about what's driving all of the issues regarding that.

About a year and a half ago, I had a medical situation of my own that was not handled properly by my traditional doctor. Ended up in the naturopathic realm of doctoring and was cured. And it was something very serious to me because I almost died of sepsis through my traditional doctor. And when I learned that as I started listening to this naturopathic doctor, he said, the number one cause of death in our great medical system here is doctor misdiagnosis. I said, oh.

I'm all in. I'm ears.

So I've been following this doctor and I wanted to share his site because He is a Christian. He is a well educated medical doctor who has also tacked on the naturopathic elements of homeopathy and all the different elements of Natural healing, which is thousands of years old, acupuncture, things like that. And is all proven. And he has a website that is really, really eye-opening about what is driving all of this in our medical world? Just in a nutshell, the fact is that a little over one hundred years ago, The traditional medical system, which is what we all know today, that's all that those of us who are alive have ever known.

decided to eliminate the homeopathic naturopathic Allervedics, all the different natural systems of healing. Because it was cutting into profit. And it's a very interesting video he has on his site that talks about the evolution. It's tough. If you send it to me, I can check it out.

I just said I can check anything. I I will send that to you because It's called Leave Big Pharma Behind, but He has an hour-long video that just Describes the history of how we have ended up where we are. And on his site as well, if a person decides to join as a member, we got a break, so hold on, hold on, okay, we got a break, okay?

Sorry about that, but it's a heart break. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. We'll get back on with Melanie, then afterwards with Jeff from Virginia. Please stay tuned. Be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Oh, Robbie, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Melanie from Ohio.

Okay, Melanie, you're back on.

Okay. So Dr. Peter Glidden on his site called Leave Big Pharma Behind has numerous interviews with other doctors who specialize in vaccination development, et cetera. And those videos are beyond eye-opening.

So it's something really everybody should listen to.

Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. So I don't know how reputable he is or isn't.

That's why on the radio show, I've got to be careful. But, you know, I always have to say to people, you know, just look at it at your own leisure and use your own judgment, things like that. Yeah, I wouldn't call and suggest that. He is one of the top people in the world. He is very, very, very highly regarded.

Um, but anyway, just a quick aside, he's been banned like you have, you know, from this. message that he's trying to get out. And on another side note, but of the same ilk, Um I searched for a homeopathic veterinarian for my animals. uh with the same purpose in mind. And one of those doctors that I went to, also very reputable, he trained at Purdue University.

Said while he was in training, they were doing research on the vaccines, discovered how much health Damaged these into the animals who were vaccinated, wrote a paper on it, published it, and it disappeared off of the internet. There is definitely a mission to keep this message quiet.

So we have to search you then. That's right. And I tell people: you know, study these things, be careful. And you know Study.

Okay? So appreciate it, all right?

Okay. All right. All right. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Thank you. Okay. All right, let's go to Jeff from Virginia. Jeff, welcome. You're on the air.

Yeah, hi door. I want to talk about the the Hope Point Church yesterday. 'Kay. The girl so mad she come out of Catholicism. Yes, Hook Point Church in Chesterfield, Virginia, I think it was.

I'm not sure. Yes. Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Oh, yeah, three miles. I I live three miles from this church.

But I used to go to it when it was a house of prayer when their daddy was my pastor.

So the kids were really young. You know, I'm 64, I don't know what how old they are. But I don't remember any female pastors, elders or deacons or women preaching at our church.

Well, I'm looking at it the website again, and Hope Point Church. uh dot org and you know it's right one and um Trying to see. Uh this is it says You know, this one I'm looking at has a woman pastor. Yeah, I know what you're saying, but I'm saying back in the day that He didn't. I we I don't think we healed it that that doctrine.

I mean, I don't know what's changed because I left the church just nothing that you know, that they did to me or anything, I just left. But I had went there for fifteen or twenty years and Yeah we had We had people that came out of the whole witness and Mormons, Pentokos, the Holos cults, and everything. You know, it's just a. charismatic church and we, you know, believe in gifts with spirits and all like you do. In the Trinity, so I don't want to make anybody think that this is some crazy church.

No, it's not. Most churches that have women pastors, they have decent doctrinal basic statements, decent, not good, but decent, not very well defined. I'm not saying they're not Christians, but for her to be a woman pastor is simply wrong biblically, and she's contradicting scripture. And because he can't see it, he's not qualified to be a pastor. in my opinion.

Okay. Neither one. We can't see that a scripture on this quality. Yeah, I I don't know what's changed since then because I like I said, I don't go anymore, but Yeah. I go past it all the time'cause I go fishing that way and all, but yeah, I had some good times a long time ago.

Yeah, it says here that the guy started 2013.

So if it's the same church, you know, so there you go. That's what I found when I looked it up.

Okay. Nice weather. His name is George. His last name is Thails. It's in uh one is off of uh Chesterfield, wait, Bridge Road, new Newby Bridge Road.

Newbie's Bridge Road. Yeah. Yeah, and another one on uh Midlothian, or City of View Drive, Midlothian. Yeah, it's unfortunate that they have women pastors and elders. And again, I'll just offer my challenge.

I'll fly to your church on my dime. Yeah, you can try. I don't know if they take you up on it or not, but it was some good times, and they didn't lead me astray, I can tell you that.

Well, they are leading people astray when they teach that's okay to have women pastors. And it's not. The Bible contradicts that. It clearly says so. And again, I'll just offer the challenge.

I'll fly out and we'll have a horn. I remember that. being the case back in the day. I don't don't know what changed.

Well, what changed was they went from very biblical to less biblical. How about that? Yeah, it could be.

Okay. Oops, did we lose you? No, he didn't lose me, I just started Kind of funny that she said, whole point. I said, wait a minute. I don't, you know.

I was born there in eighty five, way before she even started going there.

Okay. Well, I'm just, you know, I'm a theologian, biblical student, believe what the Word of God says, trust what the Word of God says, and don't submit Word of God theology to my feelings or culture. And that's exactly what happens when people, they have women pastors and women elders. They are submitting God's Word to the culture and or failing to properly understand the clear teaching. Because the Bible says an elder, a pastor is by definition an elder in 1 Timothy 5, 17, is supposed to be able to teach sound doctrine, refute error.

And to have a woman pastor is not sound doctrine. It is error. And the fact that they can't see it means they're not qualified to be in that position because they're holding the position that's unbiblical. And so there's what are disqualified. I'm kind of like on the Right there with you.

But I just wanted to let you know. I have one more question, if you can. Sure. I've seen this guy on T V a long time ago. He was in black and white.

What denomination was Bishop Fulton She? You know what I'm talking about? I've heard the name. I don't know what denomination. Fulton Sheen, denomination.

I could look it up real fast. Cat look on T V back in the day. Oh, that's why the name is familiar. If I think you're right, I think he is a Catholic. Yeah, it's coming back.

And that, yeah, that would be bad because Catholicism is apostate. Yeah, he was a Catholic priest. We really didn't preach the thousand. If you watch those episodes, it's more Well Yeah, he's well, Catholicism, official Catholic theology is is antichrist.

Okay. Okay. It is. It's Antichrist. All right.

Because they deny certain things in Scripture that are essential to the faith.

Okay, well, God bless.

Okay. All right. So when I say, ladies and gentlemen, that the Catholic official, the official Catholic theology is Antichrist, what I mean by that is it teaches a false doctrine of salvation so that those who trust in that false gospel will be accursed. Because the Bible says in Galatians 1:8, 9: If we are an angel from heaven should preach to a gospel contrary to what you have preached to you, let him be accursed. Paul repeats himself: What's the gospel?

It's death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.

Now, what they'll say is, yeah, they believe that's what the gospel is, but they add works to it because we're justified by faith alone in Christ alone, and they add works.

So that's not the gospel. They will add it in paragraph 2068, 2036, 2070 in the Catholic Catechism. They say that baptism, or excuse me, that keeping commandments is necessary in order to be a Christian and keep yourself saved and things like that. That's a false gospel. False gospel.

False gospel. And they also promote the idea of basically not worshiping Mary per se, but they functionally. Functionally, she's a a goddess in Catholicism. Functionally. And uh it's bad news.

So, you know, I've talked about it so many times, and I've debated it countless times with people. And I have ways of showing Catholics and East Orthodox who hold to these errors. I've had ways of showing them things. But, you know, they don't care. Because the truth is is not found in Scripture.

The truth is found in their church, their tradition, their priesthood, their apostolic authority, all the stuff that they want to claim are uh you know makes them the true church. And uh what really gets me is when I'll talk to them, both of those groups teach that you can't have salvation if you're not a member of their church. You have to be well, technically, technically, it's not exactly accurate.

Sometimes they will say that you can be saved in certain restricted areas without being officially involved with the church. But normally speaking, you have to be a member of their church and affirm their teachings, etc., and the authority of their church in order to be saved and to have true salvation. And it's just false. You know, I get so tired of hearing, seeing the lies that the devil has worked through various churches that claim to be Christian, claim to be true, like Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy. These are not true Christian churches.

And if you're going to any of them, you should not. You should not. You should not go. You should not go to a church that's women, pastors, and elders. Don't go.

Okay? Don't go to a church that says you can lose your salvation and In light of that, says you keep it by keeping commandments. That would be a false gospel, okay? And so there's lots of things out there that the Bible condemns, but because Christians don't study, They don't know. And so God raises up.

Let's just say doofuses like myself to To help people see stuff, you know. And so I just try and tell people, you know, this is what the Bible says, and I show them in the scriptures. I was talking to me some guys over last night and A bunch of guys, we just kind of get together every about once a month or so. We'd come over to the house here, and we just were out in the backyard talking, having a good time. And a new guy was there, he's a Christian, and we got talking about this kind of stuff because some of the guys started asking questions, and here we go.

And I said to this new guy, you know, very politely, you know, it was all fun, we're all having a good time. And I says, You've heard of this where it says, you know, two men to feel, one is taken, one is left. That's the rapture. He goes, Yeah, that's the rapture. And I said, No, it's not.

I'm smiling, you know, I said, Here, let me show you. And I'm quoting it out, and he's staring at me, like, what? And I show him, I said, and then it says this, and it says that. He's looking, he's like, whoa. I said, yeah.

I said, why is it they can't even get that? Why is it pastors can't get this?

So many pastors just get it wrong. And it's so simple, so easy. But at any rate, I'm not better than them. Not at all. I just have the ability to sit and study more than they do.

Because I'll tell you, being a pastor is not easy. You got to go and do visitations, you got to do counseling, you got to have meetings with people, you've got so many other things to do. And you really do. It's a lot of work. And pastors should be appreciated because they're hardworking, dedicated people who love the Lord and love their people and are serving and sacrificing in ways that most people don't know.

It's truth, okay. And so, they don't have the privilege like I do in this regard of being able to just study more in depth.

So, they might say, Well, I don't have the privilege that they have to be able to minister to people one-on-one directly and help save marriages. And that's a blessing, too. We have our strengths and our weaknesses in different positions. As far as doctrine goes, and these issues of women, pastors, elders, and soteriological issues, that's a doctrine of salvation. Then, you know, I've had a lot of experience doing that, and I'm Blessed that God has allowed me to do that.

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