Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Alright everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. And you're listening to Matchlick Live. Today's date is February 18th, 2026. I hope you're all having a good day.

And if you want to give me a call, as usual, all you've got to do is dial 877-2077. Two two seven six and um Yeah. Let's see. Oh, yeah, you can also give me an email. That's right, I said an email.

I've got a couple things I'm thinking about. Email me at info at carm.org, info at carm.org. and um we can talk you know or you can send me a just an email I'm thinking, I'm sorry, I got a couple things I'm doing at once. Let me get my focus here. Put the subject line: radio comment, radio question, one of those will get to them.

And I'm just noticing a couple things here. One of the things I want to talk about is: I asked yesterday for people to pray for little Zach and Melania.

So Lanya was just that passing in the in the uh the hallways of the hospital uh yesterday and asked about that.

So I don't know if there's any update or anything. But I do know that um little Zach is getting much better. There's a a really big improvement and we're just Just letting you guys know out there in uh Radioland that uh The prayers, you know, praise God. All right, just praise God for the prayers, and thank you for all of you who are praying. And I prayed with them in the room.

And we prayed while the nurses were in there doing some baby stuff, three nurses. And so I prayed and hopefully that ministered to them as well. You just never know. All right, having said all of that, let's get on the phones. Let's get to Sam.

From Vegas. Sam, welcome. You're on the air. Hello? Hi.

Hi, Bertie. You're on the air, buddy. Hello. I'm Ashley. Hi.

So what do you got? I will I have a question for you. All right.

Okay. Um And I believe that Uh And that at that time when we spoke I had uh Idea that you don't believe in baptism is a requirement for salvation. That's correct. To require that is to preach a false gospel. Mm-hmm.

Okay, that's what you go okay. How do you explain Romans six to nine Romans chapter 1. Romans chapter six. Verse 3 to 9. Oh, well, that's a lot there, but Romans 6:3, yeah, that's easy.

Because what's happening there is, he says, Do you not know all who've been baptized into Christ have been baptized into his death? The phrase baptized into signifies identification with. The phrase is used in 1 Corinthians 10. 2, or is it, I think it's 10-2, where it says are baptized into Moses. And I just released an article on this a few days ago, believe it or not.

And the phrase occurs several times in the New Testament, and it means to be identified with. nothing in here says that if you're baptized that you're saved. It's that we've been buried with him through baptism, so that when Christ was raised, we'll be raised. We've become united with him in the likeness of his death. Certainly he'll be in the likeness of the resurrection.

So nothing in here says that baptism is what forgives us of our sins or justifies us.

Okay? Would you reverse? Yes, yes. I'm not saying this this chapter says uh it saves, it j it just shows us what baptism is. As we are baptized, we are baptized unto his death, just like Jesus died.

We are like, if we read it, it explains it until chapter 9, and then we have the resurrection. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. So Um I want you to understand that that If you teach you to be baptized and be saved, you're teaching a false gospel.

You're flat out teaching a false gospel. Do you understand that? No, I'm not teaching anything. I'm just reading what the Bible says. Oh, we can.

Okay, well, stop, stop, stop. Hold on, hold on. Stop. Stop. Look, guys call me up, right?

I have discussions with people, and they just make a quick statement, and they keep talking as though their statement's true. And I go, wait a minute, hold on. And they just keep talking. And I have to stop them.

So, look, if you make a statement, I want to be able to react or talk about that statement. When you say you're just reading what the Bible says, you're not just reading it because does it say, for example, in Romans 6, 3 through 6, does it say that you're saved by baptism? Yeah. Does it? My point is not on that.

My main point is tying it to this. Hold on. You don't want to have some reason. Want me to cut you off? Listen.

You're not allowing me to read James.

Okay, look, dude, one thing at a time. I asked you. Does Romans 6 say that baptism is necessary for salvation or that it's part of becoming saved? Does it say it anywhere in this verse that you're talking about? And and I said It doesn't say salvation, it just tells us about baptism.

Okay, so then, when you go to that verse, now we go to James 2. Hey, hold, dude, stop. You're getting close to being hung up on. This is not your radio show. You're not here teaching me.

You understand that?

So, if you want to have a dialogue with me, then dialogue with me, all I got to do. has just hit the word drop on my with my mouse. You're gone.

So, if you want to have a dialogue, that's great. But I'm not going to let you teach false doctrine. I'm not going to let you just jump in and just start trying to take over. It's not going to happen.

So, you've admitted that that section of Scripture does not teach that it's necessary for salvation. Correct? In Romans 6. Is that correct? No, I'm not saying it's not for salvation.

Everything in the Bible is for salvation. I'm just saying this specific place, it does not use the word salvation to describe it. Does? Romans 6 3 through 6. Teach that you have to be baptized to be saved.

Um it doesn't say it word for word, but it teaches that salvation is by baptism because We are dead. Where does it say we will be baptized? Where does it say baptism is necessary for salvation or part of salvation? It says, baptized into Christ. What does it mean to be baptized into?

Baptized. Underwater. That's the only baptism there is. Oh, you think so? You really think so?

Baptized with the Holy Spirit? I mean, for salvation?

Okay, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit in Acts 1:51 baptism. Dude. Golly You you colts are are all the same. You just want to push your doctrines.

I want to interact with what you're saying. You don't want me to do that. That's a cult mind you have. Maybe it's the mice you're receiving my voice late. I always stop when you speak.

I always stop. I don't know what's happening.

Well, that's certainly possible.

Okay. It's certainly possible. Yeah, because I always stop when you speak. Let's okay, that's nice. L let's do this properly, okay?

Nothing in the text says that baptism is required for salvation or part of salvation. It says baptized into Christ. What does the phrase baptized into mean? Are you there? And this are you saying in this verse it doesn't say about baptism being connected to salvation, but it does say on John.

Jesus said, Those who believe and are baptized I asked you. I asked you a question. What does the phrase baptized into mean? What does it mean? What do you mean it doesn't describe a phrase in the Bible baptized into it?

Baptized into Jesus Christ, you are baptized into his death. What does it mean to be baptized into some water baptism? How do you know which water? How do you know it's water baptism? Here we're talking about Gromans 6.

How do you know it's water baptism? Because when we read the Bible, Since Acts two, they have been baptizing them by water. Is this X2? No, it's not. But that's what they're doing.

The action carries.

Okay. So, if, look, I'm gonna show you something here. Look, okay. Um You make a mistake and you think that baptism always refers to water. It does not.

You'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit in Acts 1:5. That's the pouring of the Holy Spirit upon you. In fact, Jesus, when he was baptized, was sprinkled.

Okay, I can show you that from scripture.

Now, what is the phrase baptism? Yes, he was according to the law. Yeah. Okay, after Jesus died, that was the John's baptism, that wasn't even for salvation, that was for repentance. After Jesus died, anybody was baptized by sprinkling?

No, I didn't say that. I said Jesus was sprinkled according to the law. Numbers 8, 7, as he was entering into the work of the priesthood. Numbers chapter 4, Exodus 29 and Leviticus 8 discuss the issues of what a man needed to do and be in order to enter into the priesthood. and part of the requirements was that he had to be sprinkled with water.

Jesus was sprinkled with water. When you look at John baptized with water, he'd be baptized with the Holy Spirit, the word baptized with water, what does it mean? What's baptized mean? Immersion in water? Then why does he say you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit?

Immersion in the Holy Spirit? No. Because the Holy Spirit is always poured in the Old Testament. He's poured repeatedly in Joel chapter 2, 28, 29. It talks about this, and Isaiah talks about it.

So, the fulfillment of the prophecy is the pouring of the Spirit upon you, and that's in reference to the word baptized in Acts 1:5. Jesus was sprinkled according to the law. The reason I'm hammering you on this is because people who teach baptismal regeneration don't know what the Bible even teaches on this. You've been brainwashed. When I ask you what does it mean to be baptized into, you don't even know.

And yet it's a verse you go to just to support your position. If you don't know what the phrase means, you can't say water baptism necessary. I can agree with you. I can agree with you with everything you say, right? Just for the sake of agreeing.

But it does you are explaining to me how baptism is done by sprinkling this law. I didn't say that. But my point is not. I didn't say that. I did not say that.

I said Jesus was sprinkled. I said in Acts 1:5, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a pouring. That's all I said.

Okay. Okay, but now my my question my original question is about baptism itself. It doesn't matter how it's done. when it's done like baptism. It doesn't require to be saved.

It matters how you do it. No, first you have to believe you have to believe it's important to do it, and then how you do it follows.

Okay, let's make sure we're talking the same thing. Let's make sure we're talking on the same page. Are you saying or. That baptism is necessary for salvation, or are you not saying it? I am saying baptism is necessary for salvation, but I don't want to go into the conversation in whose name and what name because those are different topics.

So then you deny justification by faith. No, that is the justification. Because let's go to James two. Yeah, let's go to James 2. Great.

Let's go to James. to verse fourteen. Yeah, I know this very well. Uh-huh. Yeah.

If he says he has faith, he has no words because he has second. I know it, I have it in front of me. What use is it, my brethren, if someone says that? Wait, you say the justification, right? I'm trying to find if you're second look you say the one twenty four Yeah, I can help you out.

Yeah, Okay. I'm going to teach you a bad word. I'm going to teach you a bad word, okay? Of bad bad. I'm gonna teach you a bad word.

All right.

You ready? I'm sorry, I can even say it in the radio though. You're going to teach me a bad word? I'm going to teach you a bad word, yeah, yeah. It's the word is a bad word.

That's right. Here it is. Ready? Context. It's the bad word.

Context. The whole context of this, James 2 is talking about work is needed. Faith by self cannot save me. That's the whole context.

Okay, Sam, look.

Well when it hope you got a break, I'm gonna hold on. After the break, I'm gonna go through James chapter 2 and I'm gonna show you that You are wrong. You are teaching a false gospel. It's not me, it's not me, you are. James, hold on, James, James.

Oh, I gotta keep this guy quiet. Um after the break folks, this is what I do. Regularly with baptism. These guys, we'll be right back after the message. Please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Sam. Are you still there, buddy? Yeah. Yeah.

Are you still there? Sam Maybe he's just because if he's. Oh, I'm sorry. I had myself muted. I'm here.

I'm here. Okay. So James chapter two I've studied for decades. And I've debated it countless times with people. Because The cults always go there to add works to salvation, and they take James 2:24 out of context.

And they don't know what is going on because In verse 14, that's the start of the pericope. A pericope is a section of scripture, it could be big or small. The pericope starts off with, What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? What James is doing is talking about what true faith is.

He says, If a brother or sister is without clothing, in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, Go in peace, be warmed and be filled, yet you not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead by itself.

So if you say it and you don't back it up, your faith is dead. It's nothing. That's not the faith that saves anybody. And he says in verse 18, somebody may well say, You have faith, I have works. Show me.

Your faith without the works, I will show you my faith by my works. This is talking about the demonstration of faith before people. That's what the context is. He goes on, he says, You believe that God is one, you do well, the demons also believe and shudder. Yeah, you believe.

You don't have any. Your faith is dead because your faith doesn't produce anything. It's not the product that saves you, it's the faith that God grants to us, Philippians 1:29. He grants it to us. And Jesus says, the work of God is that you believe in Jesus.

John 6:29. The faith that comes from God is what justifies us.

Now And this here talking about what's called the horizontal between people. You show me your faith by your works, I'll show you mine by my works. And he says, Do you believe in God? Yeah. The kind of faith you have is nothing.

is not real faith. Are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith that works is useless? He's talking to the people. Don't you realize if you're a real Christian, let's see it. That's what's going on.

You see that faith was working in Abraham our father was justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son.

Well, what you talking about? Justification before God? Of course not. before people. Abraham proved that he was a true believer in God by what he did when he offered up Isaac.

That's what it says. You see, faith was working with his works as a result of the works. I mean, his faith was perfected in verse 23. And the scripture was fulfilled and said Abraham believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. It doesn't say his works, it says his faith was.

Abraham was justified by faith. That's what it says in Romans 4:3 when it quotes: Abraham believed God was reckoned to him as righteousness. That's what's going on here. When you guys go to this verse to say faith without works is dead, well, we agree. But justification is the issue here before people.

That's why it says, You see, a man is not justified, or a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. That's not before God, it's before people. Because in Romans 4:5, Paul the Apostle says, To the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. Your mistake is the same mistake all the cults make when they come to this. You think that this justification was your faith and your works before God.

It's not, it's before people.

Okay? Go ahead. Were you there? I mean, we lost them. Can you hear me?

Yeah, no, I hear you. Can you can you hear me? Yeah. It's alright. Just to make myself clear, this is not my word.

This I'm just quoting a verse and the verse saves it. If we if you go down to James two, down to twenty-six, it says it's word for word. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so that So faith. Is that word? is dead also.

Yeah. That's just what I'm saying.

So, the example that I'm leading, it's not me. This is in the Bible, it says that it's like if my spirit were to leave my body. like my body would be dead if I have faith. But I have more works. Then my faith is dead.

That's what it's saying. In plain language.

So we agree. We agree. Yes, so so I so my stance, my belief is that If you believe, if you have faith, That faith is going to be justified by you getting baptized.

So, you in other words, you're not justified by faith.

So you're not justified by faith.

Nowhere it says by faith alone. Existing is up on verse 14. Yes, it does. See then, how by work, a man's faith. is just height.

You want me to show you where faith alone is taught in the Bible? Justification. And not by faith alone. Sam, James 2, 14 through 26 is talking about justification before people. The proof of it is found in verse 18.

Okay. So what is the verse in team say? Let's go read verse eighteen. Yeah. Verse 18, oh man, someone may well say, You have faith and I have works.

Show me your faith without the works, I will show you my faith by my works. is talking about faith demonstration before people, not before God. That's what it is.

Okay. That's your interpretation. What it says: you have faith, I have works. Show me your faith without the works, I will show you my faith by my works. It's between people.

You show me your faith, I'll show you mine. It's not before God, it's before people. Dude. Look, stop believing the false gods. You believe in true faiths?

So you're telling me there's two faiths: there's one faith in front of people, and then there's another faith for God. There's like two faiths.

So for for people, it's okay to do work. For God is not. No, you don't understand. That's what I'm understanding. Justification before people is not the same thing as justification before God.

See I show you my faith by what I do. I defend the faith. I get on radio. I write books. I write articles.

I go out and preach and teach. I'm demonstrating my faith before people.

Okay, and but the faith that I have in God I don't have to show that to God. He's the one who granted the faith to me. Philippians 1.29, to you it has been granted to believe. He grants that I believe. That's it.

That's real faith because it comes from God. But you don't know if I have real face. James is talking about that. Look, if you say you have faith, let's see it That's what he's talking about. He's not talking about justification before God because when he does talk about justification before God, He's talking about it in verse 23, the one thing there.

Abraham believed God was credited to him as righteousness. What was credited to him as righteousness? According to text. What was credited as righteousness?

So, what was credited as righteousness? Come on. Wait, what I'm understanding is when James is saying this on James 2, he's telling the people. Um If you have faith, then show it by action. But your action is not for salvation, it's just to show that you have faith.

There you go. Good. You've learned. That's exactly what James is doing. When Jesus was teaching, he was teaching, he was saying, don't do all these things in front of people so that people see you.

When you do a prayer, do it in private. Yes, or that should be private.

So now what you're referencing in advance.

Now what you're referencing inadvertently is Luke sixteen fifteen.

Okay, inadvertently, you're kind of referring not exactly. And when I get back for the break, I'll explain that, and I'll show you how your understanding contradicts Jesus.

Okay, I'll show it to you. All right.

Hold on folks, be right back. I'm well prepared for this. and we'll get to it after the break. I hope it's interesting. Please stay tuned.

We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, and welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Sam. Are you still there, buddy? All right.

Now I forgot where we were actually. I was doing stuff. Uh we were you were telling me on the the trajectory started on verse eighteen. Where he was saying Yeah. But even that, I was just reading it on the break.

And he's not telling them, Show me your faith by your works. He's saying, You show me your faith. without works, but I will show you my faith with my works. Right. Exactly.

to show you need it. What you're doing is you're twisting God's word in order to add your own ceremony to baptism. to salvation. I'm going to tell you that you're je you're not believing Scripture. You know what justification is?

Do you know what that is? Justification. Thou hast failed, and I have works. Show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. And he continued to say on verse.

twenty six, faith without uh work is dead. That's right. In other words, that's how you know you have true faith. You need works to justify your faith. before people, not before God.

Where did we say before people? Romans 8 uh James 2.18.

Okay, you show me your phone. I'm leaving to a few of you.

Now, I'm going to show you something. I've already said. Hold on. I'm going to show you something, okay? I've already shown you that's what it is in the context, but you're denying it.

Let's go to Romans 4 because it relates to this. It says in this, verse 1. And you shouldn't use the King James. It's it's just archaic and it's not as accurate as in modern translations. But that's your, you know, you can do what you want.

I like the King James. All right.

Well, then I'll go to the King James for you, okay? What shall we say that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory, but not before God. For what saith the Scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

What was counted to him as righteousness? His belief, but not belief alone. He did not just believe and sat down. He left his country. Hold on, hold on.

It says Abraham believed and it was credited to righteousness. What Paul is teaching is the faith is what was credited. What you do, the same as Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, the same thing as the Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, whenever I show them this, they do the exact same thing.

Well, you see, it's the faith that was really working. He did all these works later, and you've got to add your works. And it's a blasphemous teacher. No, I don't do it like them. They do it differently.

They do. The work can justify you to earn salvation. I don't do that. No, they don't teach that. They don't teach that.

They teach their faith and their work. You can go to.

So let me read it. They redefine the work into like a different.

Okay, I had to mute him 'cause he says he stops but he doesn't. Um so Sam, I got your attention hopefully. Sam. I'm going to continue to read, okay? Read the Word of God.

You ready? Are you ready? Yes, I am ready, but the same thing about verse 4. Verse 4. Verse 4.

Verse four.

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. Verse five. But to him who worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness. What does verse 5 say there? Let me get that straight.

the one who does not work but believes? Is that what it's teaching right there? The one who worketh not, but believeth? Right? Is that Is it saying that no works, just belief?

Is it what Paul's teaching right there? But okay, okay, let's take it to James 2. James 2 says, Hold on, hold on. Hold it up, James. Sam, Sam, Sam.

What is Paul teaching right here? Don't set scripture against scripture. Don't contradict scripture with scripture. Is Paul teaching? I'm not contradicting.

Okay, we're moving on.

Okay, folks. Look, I just dropped him. We're going to move on because we've got callers waiting. And I've done this a thousand times, and I know the conversation. I've had it thousands of times.

And when I show them the verses and they just reject it or they understand what it's teaching and then they contradict God's word, they go, well, James says this. They understand what it's teaching and they're contradicting scripture. And it goes on. It just continues in a circle like this. We've already had him on for a half hour.

And obviously, he's not going to see the truth of God's word. Let's get to James. I mean, Jermaine. Hey, Jermaine, welcome, buddy. You're on the air.

Okay. No, hey man, yeah, so And what I think is changing there. Yeah, I've had it about uh Well, I don't know. I'm seriously about five hundred times. Seriously.

Yep. Yeah, I'm sure you get another hundred in there. Yeah. And it's the same thing, and I know it's not going to go anywhere. And it just, and at this point, it just gets circles, and then we just.

It just goes useless.

So, anyway, what do you got, buddy? What's up, man?

Okay. Well, just on Mark chapter five, verse nine, uh Legion. And I want to ask that in conjunction with a lot of these. transgender shootings that we've seen. Just because it seems to be like a lot of A lot of the shooting now is starting to look like a trend where you have a lot of these mass shooters.

who have some kind of psychosis and transgenderism. And I'm just wondering, do you believe that some of them are Are just demon-possessed. I know there's a lot of caveats there, but it seems like. It just seems like at this point, like there seems like to be a rage With a lot of them that's unexplainable. And I've seen some videos where some of them lose it as street preachers, but it's beyond.

normal.

So I I kind of wanted to hear your take on that.

Well, we can't say they are. We cannot say they're not possessed. They I believe that transgender people The ones who are older. The young ones are brainwashed and manipulated by a lot of people. and because they're so vulnerable.

But the older ones, I think they have emotional, mental problems. And it's not to say that we then disregard them or treat them badly or anything like that. We're trying to help with them and work with them. and and they need to be cancelled. Uh That's my view.

Now, I've got people, I've got two people who come over once or twice a year, and they're trans. and they come over to the house, And to meet my daughters, and you know, I treat them well, I'm respectful to them, but um. you know, I believe that they have problems.

Okay. So anyway, um Are they possessed? I don't know. I can't say they are or are not. But your observation is certainly valid.

They are acting in a A violent ver verbal hostile way against the truth of Christ. And that is a sign. of demonic oppression at the very least.

So You know, you could be onto something, but we don't know, we can't verify it.

Okay. Okay. Okay, and to be fair, and I should clarify because I've also known some. In the same position that you mentioned, and I know they're not all the same, but I guess when I hear people talk about us and we and How they have many genders inside them. That's the people, I guess, I'm more referring to.

I'm wondering about them because when You say you have different spirits occupying you or you're You know, you've got multiple genders inside you, then it does kind of make me wonder, or at least ponder the question: like, is this. a situation where a market's Five nine where someone is is full of one or two or however many games. That's an interesting point because it says when Jesus said, What is your name? He says, My name is Legion, for we're many. Those are individual demonic spirits.

But to kind of equate it there with the idea of many genders. That's an interesting correlation. It's going to make me smile in that, it's clever.

Now, I don't know how legit it is, but. We'll find out maybe on the day of judgment if there's demonic oppression going on with some of them. I don't know. But they're definitely mixed up. They're definitely got problems.

And it is interesting that the trans people are becoming more violent. and vile. That's really interesting. Yes, they are. Yep.

Yeah, and that and that's again, that's that's more where I'm going, the the ones who lash out or you know, extremely violent or just seems abnormal.

So if that's Yeah, I hope that uh clarifies a little bit. It does, brother. It makes sense. It's interesting. We can only just speculate.

It's within the Bible's range to say it's certainly possible. But we can't affirm it or deny it.

Okay. So interesting though. All right.

I appreciate it, Bat. Thank you once again. God bless you now.

Okay, thanks. God bless. All right, now let's get on with D from North Carolina. We've got a break coming up, D, but let's see how far we can get in before the break. What do you got?

Mine is quick. I've been listening to you preach a lot about women pastors, and I wanted to know does that same teaching hold true for evangelists, prophets, apostles and teachers? And how does that correlate or not correlate with Galatians 328? Yeah. Good stuff.

Yeah, Galatians 3:20, we'll go backwards, all right? We got a break coming up. Oh, and there it is right there.

So I'll be right back.

Okay, hold on. We'll get back to it. All right.

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Everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with D. Dee, are you still there? I'm here. Now, people frequently bring up Galatians 3:28.

We're talking about women, pastors, and elders and stuff. But they don't understand that that is not talking in any way about pastors and elders. is talking about salvation in Christ. It says there's neither Jew nor Greek. Neither slave nor free, there's neither male nor female, for you're all one in Christ.

He's not talking about the offices. He's talking about salvation. And we're all equal in Christ. That's what that is. All right.

Now are there apostles today? Uh well, it all depends on the definitions. but generally speaking, the Apostles of the Old Testament, I mean, of the Bible. Paul said, for example, In 1 Corinthians 9:1, Am I not free? Am I not an apostle?

Have I not seen? Jesus our Lord?

So he is identifying his apostleship by having seen Jesus. and the other apostles saw Jesus. There seems to be the biblical position that a true apostle has been with the Lord Jesus, specifically, seen him. People say today there's all these apostles. I don't buy that because Paul, I just don't buy it.

Furthermore, Uh An apostle, by definition, would be in spiritual authority over people, but women are not to be in that position. Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12 and 13, I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over man, but it remains silent for Adam was first created.

So if an apostle is a woman, she's automatically in her author over authority in man. And Paul says he doesn't allow it. I mean, this is easy. As far as evangelists go, evangelists are not offices of authority. I have no problem with a woman evangelist who goes out preaching and teaching.

When I mean preaching, I mean presenting the gospel, not in a pastoral position in a church.

So, if I was out on the street witnessing, and say, a husband and a wife joined me. And let's just say she's really good at communicating a certain something to someone, and she starts evangelizing. I'm going to sit back and pray. Go for it. Go praise God.

You know, go for it. Not a problem, all right? As far as teachers go, now we have another issue because the Bible says that women ought to be in that spiritual authority of teaching over men in that church context. And so In a church they shouldn't be in that position or not to be pastors or not to be elders nor deacons. Because the Bible says the elder is to be a husband of one wife, and the deacon is to be a husband of one wife also.

So that right there means they can't do it.

Now this is the short answer.

Now I can get into it quite deeply theologically. About the nature of the Trinitarian Godhead, hierarchy, structure. A federal headship. I can do all this and explain more why this is in place. But there you go for now, okay?

What about profits? Again, thank you. The word prophet, there's two ways we can understand that. The Old Testament-style prophets, that's done away with. But in 1 Corinthians 14, It talks about those prophets that they prophesied.

Now, I'm not trying to be purposely vague. But I'm just letting you know that there's debate about this. And it says in 1 Corinthians 14:1, Desire spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. I have no problem with that at all. I believe the charismatic gifts are all for to day.

and we can have them properly presented. And it says in verse 5 that you would prophesy.

So we have no problem. I have no problem with the idea of stuff like that. It says, but one who prophesied speaks to men for education.

Okay, so we see it's in the New Testament church, but what is it?

Some say that prophecy here is a proclamation of something that's true and is prophetic in its nature, and it's an emphasis of what is already known. Another group of thinkers is the idea that it's giving prophecies of the future. Both, I think, are fine. I have no problem with that. personally.

And so if that's the case, let's say that we're at a church service. And um On a Wednesday night, we're doing all studies, and a woman stands up And I say I'm pastoring, and a woman stands up and says, I think I have a word from the Lord. I have no problem with that. I'd say, okay, if it was appropriate, you know, I'd say, okay, not interrupting something, it was appropriate. I'd say, okay, what is it?

I'm going to listen. And if she says, well, the word is Jesus is not God.

Okay, sit down. She's out.

Okay, that's wrong. If she says, Well, there's a struggle coming to this church here next month on the third Thursday, we've got to watch out for something. I said, okay.

Well, let's see. I wouldn't mock her. I'd say, let's look for that Sunday and let's pay attention. And let's say something happened that Sunday, you know, that she prophesied. I'd go back to her and say, What you said came true.

Praise God. If you have any others, if you think it's from the Lord, please. Let us know.

Now, this is unusual for a Calvinist to say, because I'm a very strong Calvinist, but I believe this is all true. I've actually prophesied before. one time A prophecy with time frame in it. And it worked. It came to true.

It came to pass.

Now, this doesn't prove I'm right, but biblically, I'm not convinced of the gifts being ceased.

So, can a woman be in that position, the prophet? Yes, because she's not in spiritual authority over people in the church, over men in the church. She's not the teaching, instructor, pastor, elder. She's just giving a word from God in that sense. No problem.

Okay? Okay. Alright, thanks so much. I hope that helps. All right.

It helps. All right.

Bye-bye.

Okay, God bless.

Alright, so I know that's a little bit unusual. A lot of Calvinists out there are probably going. What did he say? That's what I believe. From Scripture, and I can defend the idea of the continuation of all the gifts from Scripture.

And I do it patiently, I do it lovingly, and this is a big topic for me because it's the topic that cost me my pastorate back in the 90s. All right, so I think we already got to Jermaine. How come Jermaine is still on there? But let's get to the next. Oh, my goodness, Joseph from Louisiana.

Wow, man. Um You've been waiting for over 40 minutes.

Okay, butter, what do you got, man? I got yesterday, we were talking about in First Corinthians chapter twelve. Uh Yeah. The gifts And uh In the body of Christ, right?

Okay. Yeah. And what's your question? Yeah. Do you I didn't know you were Calvinist.

Hello. I'm a very strong Calvinist. Yes, I'm a very strong Calvinist. I can defend it very well. But by one spirit, we're all baptized into Yeah, but by one spirit, we're baptized into one body.

You went over that the first. thirty minutes with You know who.

Okay, so what's your what's your question though? Wasn't Jesus wasn't Jesus filled with the Holy Spirit? The Spirit came upon him, it says, at his baptism, as part of the anointing requirement for entering into the priesthood according to the Old Testament law, Leviticus chapter 8, numbers 4, Exodus 29.

So, there you go. Yeah. R Are apostles and prophets, pastors and teachers supposed to be filled with the Spirit or have the same Spirit according to what I'm reading here in 1 Corinthians 12? Of course, I guess.

Okay. By the Holy S Bible. The question is. How can you have a body of Christ without apostles and prophets? The apostles were defined for the period of time that was then.

They were d direct in contact directly in contact with Christ. And Paul even uh designates that in 1 Corinthians 8 or 9.1. That he's seen the risen Lord.

So it certainly seems to be the case that the apostles at office has stopped. The prophets in the Old Testament have stopped. But the prophecy-type prophets in the New Testament, in the charismatic sense, is still around.

Okay. But According to 1 Corinthians, though, it says, God has appointed in the church first apostles, then prophets. You can't have a church without. Apostles and prophets. Yes, you can.

Because the apostles were in the church. It doesn't mean that there has to be an apostle all the time.

Okay. Okay. There should be a number of prophets in your church. Do you have prophets in your church? It doesn't mean that every church in every corner of America has to have prophets.

apostles and prophets. He's talking about the body of Christ as a whole. that these things are manifested.

Okay, the Apostles were there for the establishment of the Church.

Okay, and that's done. There aren't any more apostles like that anymore.

Okay. Well, don't be surprised if they show up. But we're all baptized into one body, then I'll ask them to show me their apostleship from Scripture. Like anybody else, I just say show me the show to me in Scripture. That you're an apostle.

Not that their name has to be there, but give me the reason that you hold to a present-day apostleship. And I say, Show me from the Word of God. That's all I would do, okay? But look, we got one more caller going. We're going to move along, okay?

Alright, because so Look at the Paul from Virginia. Paul, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir. Haven't talked to you in a while.

All right.

You know, I wanted to make a comment on the caller they called in about the verse in Mark concerning the transgendered issues. Yes. And I had some information I thought you'd find interesting about that. I'm not sure if you're aware of doctor Peter McCullough. He's been a more renowned cardiologist who Did the introduction to the book I told you about some time ago, COVID-19 and the global predators we are the prey?

Yeah, I remember the efficient. Yeah. Yes, and so I've been following him for quite some time, and he Most recently, in a video he was on Substack, which is where a lot of his information is, along with other doctors and What not and uh He has attributed the transgender issues as a form of autism. Due to too many vaccines. I don't know if that's true, but I have often wondered Mm-hmm.

I have often wondered, because they give so many of them to the younger people. Yes, and as a matter of fact, you know, I've been diagnosed, I'm on the the spectrum, I have autistic issues, which I mask pretty well. And I even was diagnosed in the whole bit. And so I went through my dad was in the service, and I remember very clearly going through and getting many vaccines on base. Uh, you know, and so we suspect maybe that had an effect.

But you know, who knows? Yes. Yes, but it seems to be a good question.

Well, that was what I wanted to tell you, w what he had to say about that, that it's a form of that, according to him.

So, thank you very much. Good to talk to you.

Okay, brother. Thanks. God bless. God bless. All right, bye bye right.

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Um what I want to say is that uh You know, for those who were out there, maybe had some autistic issues and some things like that, please understand, you know, I get it. I totally get it. Oh if And I believe that we are capable of doing great things in the Lord Jesus Christ. And if you've got some issues and some stuff, look what God can do with autistic people. Look what He can do with broken people.

He gets all the glory. He gets all the praise. And give yourself to Him. Your strengths, your weaknesses, your brokenness, your problems. everything lay before him and watched the master build something beautiful out of what you are.

He is good. and he can work with you in such great ways. And He will warm your heart, comfort you, and He will bless you. Just give him everything, except what you are, where you are, and have him water your life and change you. Just trust in Jesus.

Amen. Hey folks, we are out of here. May the Lord bless you, and by His grace, Lord Wellington, we'll be back on here tomorrow. And we'll talk to you there and have a great one everyone. God bless.

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