Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at carn.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Hi, everybody. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want to give me a call, as usual, all you have to do is dial 8 772072276. And want to hear from him, give me a call.

And if you want, you can also send me an email to info at carm.org. Info at CARM.org. And put the subject line, radio comment or radio question, either one of those, and we can get going.

Alright, so um I'm working on EV Mux. I'm just gonna say having a little bit of a difficult time trying to figure out a little something here and uh just working it.

So I'm lurk I'm learning.

So there's part of the issue there. Anyway. We do have a call coming in. I plan, Lord Dwelling, will be at Kannapolis at Charity Baptist Church in Kannapolis, North Carolina. I'll be there Friday night and Saturday, and then I'm going to be in the area for the next few days.

I'm going to go up to Winston-Salem, that's a plan, on Monday, and go up there to see the station, maybe do a live show there. I don't know. We'll just see. We'll just see how it's going to work. And I'm hoping that you guys, you know, if you're out there, you want to meet, come on by.

to uh Cannapolis. At the church, which is on Saturday. And it's $50 to get in, but that's two days before. You can just get tickets now. You can just go to get them for free.

It's no big deal. And if you want to get in and you can't when you're there and it's too much, just say so. You know, because I know everybody there and they'll let you in. But they do try and raise a little bit of money to pay for the food, to pay for some stuff and things like that.

So, anyway, there's that. And like I said, you can email me info at carm.org, info at carm.org. And if you want, you can put in the subject line radio comment or radio question, and we can get to you and stuff like that. Easy piece. You got a caller coming in.

And.

So I'll be off the air live Monday, excuse me, Thursday, Friday. I'll be traveling beyond North Carolina. Looking forward to it. You know, I'm looking forward to it. Looking.

I don't think I've ever been. I don't know if I have. I've ever flown into Carolinas and done any driving or anything like that. I just don't know. I don't remember.

But this would be fun, going out there. I'm on the air? Yeah. Joanne wants me to tell you that her internet is Okay, thank you. My wife just said that someone's internet's mixed up who does some show stuff, so that's okay.

It happens. All right, let's get on the air from with Chuck from Ohio. Hey, Chuck, welcome. You're on the air. I Yeah, I had a question.

Um Mount James. I think it's I think it's five fourteen. Um About praying, anoint the elders of the church to call for them and. being anointed with oil. And uh Feel the sick.

And uh this Is it? strictly physical illness. Or can it Also, be a spiritual illness.

Well, it says if anyone is sick. and it's a physical condition. All right. But then call the elders and pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. It's a physical thing that they're doing, it's a physical act for a physical person.

And the prayer offered in faith will restore him when he was sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, he'll be forgiven him. This is talking about the issue of eldership working in the church, not only just talking about putting oil on someone's head, anointing them as a kind of healing balm, not that it has any mystical power in it, but that, but also in the context when they would go and they would heal people, or they'd pray over them, and people were healed, then there's a lot of times people come to faith. And There's another issue that's a possibility here is that sometimes your sin can cause you to get sick. And so, if you are in that state, in that condition of in rebellion against God in some area and you're sinning, and then you ask the elders to come over and anoint you, maybe you've been sick, and they anoint you, and they talk about repentance and other things, then you can be healed. And so, this is one of the issues that they're talking about that it may be there as well.

So there's just a couple things we're not exactly sure what it exactly means all the time.

Alright? Uh-huh.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Is that is that kind of like um You know, uh the passage of s competiture policy. one to another and pray for one another that you may be healed. Yes, you know, confessor sends one to another. You see, when we have sin That is weighing upon our hearts, that's unconfessed and undealt with. It can bring sickness to us.

People out there I know are aware of certain grievances they've got, guilt that they're working with, that they've had, that they are just, you know. It hurts them. It's like a weight, a chain around their heart, their soul. And it can bring you to sickness, it can cause you to get depressed. Do bad things, etc.

Yeah, it it it can happen in that that sense. Um So the forgiveness is associated with water and bad confession and stuff, okay?

Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Well, God bless.

Okay. Got much to thank you. All right, now let's get to Luke from Washington, D.C. Luke, welcome. You are on the air.

Hi Matt, how are you? Doing all right, hanging in there man, hanging in there. What do you got, buddy? Um Super question about uh Genesis one to eleven.

Okay. Genesis 1:11 is allegorical for uh history. Uh then God said let the earth sprout vegetation? Yeah, it's history. Uh-huh.

How do you prove that?

Okay, you're a little hard to understand. You're not going to have a speakerphone and it's away from you.

So I'm not sure. How do I prove it? Was that the word? Is that what you're asking? Are you there?

Hello? Hello? Not sure that's what he's asking about. Um If It is proof that Proof is for mathematics and logic. And so I wouldn't say that there's an issue there of proof.

I would say this is simply what it says. And that's just what it is. And it's up to people to either believe or not believe what it actually says.

So thou that's all I would say.

Okay. All right. I don't hear him, so I don't know if there's a connection bad or something like that.

So, uh,. I think what we'll do is get some radio questions and things like that. All right, we have nobody. Oh, we lost him. I guess there was an issue there.

That's all right.

Okay, okay. Hey, look, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. You can also email me. That is easy to do. Just direct an email to info at carm.org, info at carm.org and put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question, and we can get to you.

No problem. All right. Now, we don't have buddy waiting right now, so I'm going to get to some of the questions that we have. And I like doing questions. I like just answering stuff.

One of my favorite things to do is just basically teach the Bible, debate, teach, go through stuff. I love doing that. I really enjoy it. It's just something I'm called to do, I guess. But I enjoy it.

Alright, so how about this one? Let's see. What's the response to claims that many biblical teachings are borrowed from pagan religions preceding Christianity? We went over that last week. Generally speaking, when people make this kind of claim, one of the things that they need to do is demonstrate that their claim is true.

If they want to say, look, it was borrowed, how do you know it was borrowed? And you gotta ask them. You gotta ask them, show them the documentation. Because people will often just say something, and then Christians will just assume that what they're saying is a legitimate question.

Well, not necessarily. What means, what is the issue or the attitude that they have that's bringing them to that? What's the motivation? Have they done any homework? Have they studied?

Are they just repeating something they've heard? And this is why I say to people: you need to study, you need to ask. Other questions around the questions that they will ask you, like this. There was borrowed from pagan things.

Well, I say, How do you know? Just show that to us. Show us what verses in the Old Testament and what practices in the pagan religions that they were borrowed from. Show us. And if you and I say to people, and if you can't do that, then stop spreading rumors.

and and gossip. I said, because that's all you're doing. That's what I tell them. All right, there you go.

Alright, let's see. Let's get to Cole from Georgia. Cole, welcome. You are on the air. Yeah.

How you doing, Matt Click? I'm doing okay, Cole. How are you doing, brother? Mm-hmm.

Okay, kind of driving. I was listening to you. I got a question about 2 Kings chapter 3.

Okay. Uh the last Two verses. I can't remember. Uh Two viruses. You familiar with those birds?

Do what the hell is that? Uh well, um The Bible's a big book.

So I can't say, oh, yeah, I know about those particular two verses. It says, When the king of Moab saw that the battle was too fierce for him, he took with him 700 men who drew swords, break through the king of Edom, but they could not. Then he took his eldest son, who was to reign in his place, and offered him as a burnt offering and the wall, and great wraith. And there came great wrath against Israel. They departed from him and returned to their own land.

Okay, yeah. Yeah, well, that's not really the one I was looking at. I was actually looking at the.

Now that one's weird too because he's I don't understand that they They retreat it because he uh sacrifice his son But that's a head scratch. Sure. I I don't I don't know about that one. But uh I was actually called about um Elijah. Uh Elisha.

with the children. The children were mocking him. Yes. You know, they'll call them making fun of them, calling them names. Are you familiar with that?

Yes, I am. I know, I know. Uh-huh.

Now my question about that Now I do you think those boys were? And I says boys, but And he says that it called him out, and it was a number of boys. I think I don't know 42.

Okay, let me yes, I do. Let me just jump. Let me jump in. All right, let me jump in and help you out, okay?

So, uh, Elijah was going, and he was an adult. We have 42 young men who are out in a group. You don't do that back in that culture. Young men or lads going out in a group away from the supervision of their fathers in that culture was a sign of rebellion. And what were they saying?

Go up. You baldhead, because Elijah had been ascended into heaven, who's no longer here. Go up, baldhead.

So they're insulting him by saying bald head. Not that being bald is an insult, but they were just speaking that way. It was insulting the way they were addressing him. And to say go up is basically threatening his life. or saying we want you to die or in in mockery, whatever it is.

And so the prophet of God Elijah is threatened by these guys, and bears come out and. Kill him.

Okay, that's it. Wow. And the bears came out and ripped them in pieces from the verse version I was reading. I was reading from the MEB. The modern English version.

It says a bear to well, I guess if a bear gets a hold of you, he is gonna rip you in pieces. Yes, it was two female bears. Two.

So they came out and tore up forty-two of them. That's significant. Hey, there's a break, buddy, okay? Yeah, that had to be gruesome, right? Yes, yes it was.

We gotta go. There's a break.

Okay, man. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everybody, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Just want to let you know I'll be in Kannapolis, North Carolina, Friday evening and Saturday, speaking at a conference. If you want to go and you want to check it out, you can go to ministrytomuslims.com. Ministry TO Ministry2Muslims.com and just go to the upcoming events and the East Coast Strong Tower Conference.

And I'll be there along with some others. It'll be at Charity Baptist Church in Kannapolis. And the information is there. You can look up Charity Baptist Church on the web. It's free to get in until for tickets.

You've got to go there and you get tickets. And if there's a. If there's a bit of confusion and you're not sure if you want to go because of a payment that didn't work or something like that, don't worry about it. Just go there and show up. They're very gracious.

They're very good people there. And we'd rather have you be there than not. And.

So One of the things is I don't know what my schedule will be for Saturday evening because the conference gets done around, I think, four or five or six. And so I was thinking about possibly going to a restaurant and meeting people if they want to do something like that.

So in Kannapolis or Concord or something like that in that area.

So anyway, if people are interested in that, attending, or you have any questions, you want to maybe get together, meet, or whatever, let me know. You can send an email to info at carm.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And I do plan on Monday being in Winston-Salem area touring the radio station. And then Tuesday, someone wants me to speak someplace, I forgot where what. I forget where I'll find more information out.

And that'll be that.

So I'll be off the air live on Thursday and Friday for sure. And let's get to Oscar from New York. Oscar, welcome. You're on the air. Yes, sir.

Thank you. Thank you. And something I'm trying to understand. He's speaking in tongues in most Emic, because I don't understand what they're saying. Is it what?

I missed one word. Is it what? Oh, yes. Is speaking in tongues in most churches a gimmick? You know, like a gimmick.

I can't tell you. I can't tell you because to say most means 50% or more, and I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure there are churches where it's gimmicky, and I'm sure there are churches where it's legitimate. I just don't know.

We tend to kind of recognize the churches that are gimmicky, as you like to put it there. False churches speak in tongues to each other on TV, whatever, as it's a way of exalting oneself. It's foolishness.

So no But what is speaking in tongues? See, it's to be done according to 1 Corinthians 14 by 3 or 4 at the most with interpretation. And if you don't have interpretation, you keep quiet. Because the church is to be conducted in order. It is not to be chaotic, not to have a bunch of people singing in tongues or speaking in tongues, excuse me.

Not excuse you, I mean, I'm mispronouncing something.

So I remember I went to a church in Texas. And went out there and talked to the pastor and he was a great guy. And he believed, and I'm fine with that, with the charismatic gifts. He was reformed also. And they would sing it, everybody would sing in tongues in the congregation.

And I said, What are you doing that for? And he said, Well, you know, it's just praise and singing in tongues. People would do that. And I said, But the Bible says, you know, tongues we don't, you know, speaking in tongues with two or three, or excuse me, three or four, you know, and that's it. And he said, yeah, but that's not singing.

And I said, let me get this straight. I said, so an unbeliever goes in, hears you speaking in tongues, and they're confused. But if they're singing in tongues, the unbeliever is going to say, oh, okay, that's fine then. Is that what you're saying? And he got the point and he said, you know, that's a good point.

I said, yeah, so if everybody's doing that, it's going to confuse them whether singing or speaking. And so. Uh I I think you see stopped it actually. Uh I have no problem with charismatic gifts. I'm for them, all of them for today.

And that's probably one of the reasons I don't get asked to speak very often. Because I'm a Calvinist and people don't want me to speak because I'm a Calvinist. I'm Ahmil, and people don't want me to speak because I'm Ahmil. I'm infant baptism, not for salvation, but as a covenantalist. They don't want me to speak because they'll knock me out from there.

And then the rest of them, this is charismatic gifts. We can't have him either.

So that it was explained why, uh, yeah, anyway. That's a kind of lining, he's whining a little bit, that's all. All right. Thank you very much. Okay, bye-bye.

Okay. Okay. God bless. All right. Now let's get to Dave from North Carolina.

Dave, welcome. You are on the air. Thank you, dear brother. I have a question, Revelations 3:20. And Jesus said, I stand at the door and knock, and if any man opened the door, Uh I'll come in and sup with him.

I hear a many, many pastors. use that as a Door to salvation. uh for a lost person. I see it. As a Fellowship.

Well Believer. How do you see that?

Well, that's a good question.

Well, okay.

So, one of the things here is that in the book of Revelation, the first two chapters, it's a rebuke to these churches. Generally speaking. And so It's Leo de Sea, which I was just there in November. I love talking about it. I think of Leo de Sea.

I think of walking along the ruins and with people. Eric Johnson, he runs those things. Hey, man, hey, Eric, if you're listening, how are you doing, buddy? Really appreciate it. And so I'm thinking about it.

But at any rate, standing at the door of Knock and Knock, he's initiating that's a sign that Jesus is initiating a desire of fellowship with you. with this this particular church. And they weren't They were not doing what needed to be done.

Okay. So he says, I know your deeds. Deeds are are neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were hot or cold. Because he's saying, look to the church, make a decision, live one way or another.

He stands at the door, He wants that fellowship, make a decision, and he's already talking to those who are already believers, generally speaking. the church at Laodicea. He says that if you open I'll come in.

Now We have to be careful on trying to offer an exact. This is what it really means: interpretation of this, because sometimes we have to. We have to kind of step back and say, well, here's some possibilities. One is that it is speaking about unbelievers who were in the Church of Laodicea. And he wants to have fellowship with them.

But what it says is to the angel of the church of Laodicea, Amen, the faithful, the true witness, beginning of the creation of God, says this, I know your deeds.

Now the angel represents the church.

So it's riding to the church. The angel is the head figure of that church, which is really interesting theology because it means angels. It looks like angels are heading up. We are in charge of certain churches in a spiritual sense, in the spiritual realm. Maybe guardianship, maybe work, whatever.

He says, but nevertheless, you're lukewarm. And in that area... There were springs that would come up, and some were hot, some cold, and somewhere that had this combo of lukewarm. It was nothing. It was nothing.

He says, You're miserable, you're blind.

Okay, now, this is talking about the whole of the Laodicea church.

Now, having been to Laodicea. and seen the ruins. I wouldn't know this if I hadn't been there. But it it's huge. And while we get back to the break, I'll tell you something about it, which I think might influence how we interpret this.

So, hold on, okay, we've got a break coming up, folks. If you want to give me a call. The number is 877-20-72276. Be right back, please. Stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Bottom of the hour. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276.

David, are you still there? Yes, I'm I'm here.

So here's the thing, it's a big area. The ruins would take two to four hours to walk through. It's not like. It's not not like 200 people were there, thousands and thousands. It had an amphitheater.

That I'm going to guess from just remembering standing at the top of it, it was on the side of a hill and probably a hundred steps to go down. 100 steps with all these rows of seats around a large amphitheater probably hold, I'm guessing, two, three, four thousand people easily.

Alright, so And there's another one. It's a big area. The point is, if it's that big, then it's going to have a lot of commerce. If it's going to have a lot of commerce, then it's going to have secular influences upon it and the people who are there. It doesn't mean that every individual in Laodicea was a Christian.

It means that there was a church there at Laodicea.

Well, in the midst of the secular pressures of a very commerce oriented city, the Christians there could become laxadaisical. And so what what's happening is Christ is warning them. You need to get back into fellowship with your first love with me. You got to seek me, seek the Lord Jesus.

So he says he's standing at the door to knock because he wants that fellowship with him. It's not an evangelism text because it's. I would not use that as an evangelism text. I would use it as a text of repentance for the Christians who have. been saved and Our compromising their faith.

Maybe they're living with somebody. Maybe they're watching things they shouldn't be watching. Maybe they're not going to church like they should be. Maybe they're getting lackadaisical in their attitudes. They're one foot in the world, one foot in the church, kind of lukewarm attitude.

And Jesus is saying, Look, I stand at the door. If you hear me. You know, I'll come in, I'll dine with you. I'll fellowship with you. That's the thing, and a lot of people don't know this.

God is a God of fellowship because His nature is Trinitarian. There's a natural A natural and necessary aspect of God's Nature is fellowship. In that fellowship is love. And He extends this to us. In the redemptive work of Christ, cleansing our souls, and He indwells us, and so we participate.

in the fellowship the vertical between God and man. We participate in the fellowship aspect that is within the very nature of God Himself. And He has that with us as we are. In Christ, that's by federal headship, but the Lord God literally dwells in us. And so we participate in that divine nature, in that sense, in the fellowship that we have with the Lord.

It's what He wants. And sin stops us from that. Sin hinders us from that intimacy and that fellowship with the Lord Jesus. He cleansed us. He justifies us.

All of this is by faith. And he wants us to walk with him, to seek his presence, to have fellowship with him. And so he's calling us to repentance. And that's what I think is really going on in Revelation 3:20.

Okay. Okay, yes, and it is easy for a believer to drift apart from God. Um and lose what that that closest Yeah. And um My name is As a believer, though, at the same time, we desire to be close to God. But Sam.

as a way of Sometimes separating our relationship with him, but disrupting. You gave me a good answer. Good answer, a lot of. A lot of things there to think about. Good.

Good, and Here's something I tell people: if you want to have that fellowship with Christ, you want to stay spiritually alive, you need CPR. You know, CPR can save your life, right? CPR, confess. Pray Read. Confess your sins to the Lord.

Pray, be in fellowship with Him, read His Word. And this is the foundation of that That cleansing work of Christ in us that continues in a sanctifying way, and our fellowship with Him will increase.

Okay? I agree. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. I appreciate you.

I love your program. Hey, thanks, Lev. Hey, I'm going to be out there in North Carolina. Don't know if you're going to c come by on whatever day, but it'll be in the north of Charlotte area.

So just trying to. Yeah, what date is that? Do you have the date? Yeah, Friday, this Friday. this Friday, the fifteenth and then the sixteenth I'll be there too in Kannapolis.

Friday night and Saturday. Yeah. Yeah, I would I would love to. I mean Greensboro, but If I could, I would love to. Yeah.

Yeah, the uh the information is on ministry to Muslims dot com. And I think uh maybe Laura can tell me she can put a text in the chat or something like that. I'll I'll announce it uh When you're off when you're off, but there's a a website uh page that we put up. I think she did it. Actually, and maybe she can touch me what it has.

Okay. And it has all the information on it. On Carm, that is C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. Yeah, I think what it has to do, actually, I remember it now. Carm.org forward slash Carm forward slash NC, North Carolina.

Yeah. So if you type in, if you go to the home page and just type in Cannapolis. Then you should find it. K-A-N-N-A-P-O-L-I-S. And it should take you right there.

Okay. to the page. It has all the information.

Okay? Okay. Thank you so much.

Alright, no problem. God bless. All right. God bless. All right.

All right Yeah, good.

Now, let's get to next longest waiting is Christine from North Carolina. Christine, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you. Hi.

Um my question I was quite too Patrilli, is there one true church through the ages, and were there twelve apostles to always be throughout until Christ's return.

Well, we have to define our talent. Let me go to the second one. No, there's no no twelve apostles throughout the history in the world.

So, no, they were just the original twelve.

Now, one true church.

So, a lot of churches claim to be the one true church: Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox. And what they're defining themselves as is the earthly organizational church structure. They are the right one. And if you want truth, you've got to belong to that church. That's one idea of what a true church is.

But in Ephesians 1:22 and 23, it says the church is the body of Christ, the fullness of Christ.

So he indwells his people. John 14:23.

Well, There's what's called the invisible church and the visible church. The invisible church is the people who are regenerated, who are indwelt by God, who love the Lord. They may attend visible churches. And they go to the church on the corner down there, Baptist Church, Calvary Chapel, a Presbyterian church, whatever. And it's not saying that every member or every person who attends that church is saved, nor does it necessitate that even the pastor or the elders at that church are saved.

I mean, I'm not saying churches aren't, they're not saved, of course, but it's just not. There's no guarantee of anybody's salvation who attends a visible church. The real church is the invisible church, the invisible. The visible church has pastors and teachers and congregation members, etc. And so the invisible church members attend visible churches.

But not all visible churches are legitimate churches, like Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, are false churches. And so they're not true. It it can't be the true church. They teach false gospel, false priesthood, false Mary, things like that. And so does this mean there's not true Christians in those churches.

So you see, it's kind of hard hard to answer. But one of the questions is: well, then what did God do during the 2,000 years from then to now? Was there one true church? And I say, yeah, the body of believers that God anointed, and that God is the one who sealed them and regenerated them. That's the true church.

The earthly organization churches, as we know, in EU and RC, became corrupt.

So Okay.

Okay. Thank you so much.

I appreciate your insight and your Yeah. You um enjoy here?

Okay, all right. Bye-bye, man.

Okay, thanks a lot, Christine. God bless. All right, now let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, buddy. Hi, brother.

You're welcome. Oh, man, we got a break coming up here in a few seconds. What do you got? Let's see. We've got time.

Does the Bible give any physical description of what Satan would look like? Yes. Yes, it does. What I'll do. Is I will go to that because we're gonna have a break here and we'll go through what the Bible says he looks like.

Because it's mentioned Okay. And I wanna I'm waiting for the break to start any second because it starts at But it's in Ezekiel, and we'll go there. There's the break music, so be right back, okay? Hey, folks, please stay tuned, and we'll get to his question. It's a good question.

And we'll just figure it out. It'll work, okay?

So God bless. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Alright everybody, welcome back to the show. And if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 8772-07-2276.

All right. Jermaine, you there, buddy?

Well yes I am. All right, man. All right. Okay, so if you go to Ezekiel 28, I'm going to read you something here. And uh we'll go through a comment a little bit.

A lot of people don't know. That this is very often used as a description of the devil. It says, Son of man, this is verse 12, Ezekiel 28:12, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre. T-Y-R-E, and say to him, Thus says the Lord God: You had the seal of perfection. full of wisdom and perfect in beauty, you were in Eden, the garden of God.

Now the king of Tyre wasn't in In the Garden of Eden.

So, what often happens, or sometimes happens in Scripture, is a person is addressed and it switches. Into something demonic, or well, I'm not demonic. A description that is used is launched out of that initial thing. In this case, it's demonic, it's talking about the devil, okay?

So uh You had the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

Now Before we get into it, it says, You're in the garden, in Eden, the garden of God.

So, some theologians think. Possibly this. As we go through and we read what his description is, because it calls him the anointed cherub. He calls him that. in the verses I'm going to read to you.

Some think that He was involved with the Worship of the angelic realm before the Holy Being, God. and saw it and wanted it. and so in pride of Isaiah fourteen, Let me go through this. Isaiah 14 This is the five eye wills of Satan, okay. It says uh How you have fallen, this is verse 12.

So it's Ezekiel 28:12, and Isaiah 14:12. It says in Isaiah 14, 12, How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, Son of the dawn, you have been cut down to earth, you who have weakened the nations. But you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven. I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of the assembly in the recesses of the north.

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. I will make myself like the Most High. Nevertheless, you'll be thrust down to shoal to the recesses of the pit.

So I refer to this section as the five I wills of Satan. The five I wills. I will this, I will that.

So he's lifting himself up.

Now let's go back to Ezekiel. Right. says, you are full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. It says, You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering.

The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, and the onyx and the jasper, the lupus or lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald and the gold, the workmanship of your settings and your sockets was in you on the day that you were created, they were prepared.

Now the word sockets as or settings as it says in the NESB is can also be translated as tambourines. and the word sockets can also be translated as flutes.

So, this is why some theologians think that what this is dealing with is the issue of worship and adoration because of music. And then some even go in and say that the devil is probably involved in a lot of music in the world. Because of this, we can get into that discussion. You know, play records backwards and you get demonic messages. It used to be a big thing in the 70s, 80s that you would do that and stuff like that.

Anyway. So he's covered with stones that are representing great beauty and value. and it looks like has uh timbrels uh and flutes and sound is i i there's there's music associated with them.

Now, before we go on, I'm going to say that in my novel, The Influence, there's a scene. where the main character Experiences through a vision. He is not actually there, but it's given to him. A vision where he sees in the spiritual realm, it's a historical event that's given to him, and he sees an incredibly Beautiful. being.

And I use this description. And the scintillating light and the beauty, and that's that just auras, just. beauty coming out and the beaut beautiful music. And he want he's drawn to it because it's so wonderful. And then he sees, and what happens is the beautiful lights within this thing.

Start to blink out and go into darkness and shades, and the music disappears and dissipates because it's the fall of the devil in the spiritual realm. And I just use that imagery based out of this. You might novel the influence.

Okay, now. On the day that you were created, they were prepared. You were the anointed cherub who covers, and I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God. You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.

You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created until unrighteousness was found in you.

So Isaiah 14, 12 through 14, and Ezekiel 28, 12 through 15. Are the two areas that we go to in Scripture supposedly? that seemed to speak of the Evil One. The four Creation. I mean, before his fall, we see this, and the result of, or the cause of his fall.

seems to be there. Few people know about this. I'm glad you asked the question so I get to talk about it.

Okay. Yeah, and a lot of people I notice go to that description, but it. I didn't see it as a human physical description, that's why I was after it. It's a spiritual description. It's a reflection of the incredible beauty that Lucifer, which means light-bearer.

he possessed. He was that. He was Incredibly beautiful. Just magnificent. And so some theories are that he fell in love with his own beauty and and greatness, and so fell.

That was it. Rebelled against God, wanted the honor and glory due to God for himself. And you think about it. How beautiful was he? How powerful was he?

How great was he? He was up there. And he fell. Yeah. All right.

Well, I'm going to I'll do a part two tomorrow when I get a chance. And I did send you that email, by the way, Matt. Good. God bless. I just read something.

All right, brother. Thanks a lot, man.

Okay. All right. God bless you now. All right, thanks. I'll go check out the email.

All right, I just glanced over to the chat room and In round. Humbled Clay. He says, You know what happens if you listen to the Matt Slick live show backwards? Nothing. But a wasted hour.

So I like that. That's good stuff. All right, Kat from North Carolina. Kat, welcome. You're on the air.

Yes. Hey, hi, Matt. How are you? I'm fine by God's grace.

Well, I appreciate I appreciate appreciate you, and I definitely need some clarity I had an interesting conversation with a woman, and she talked about how Jesus is Yeah. come to earth in human form. And I was confused when she said that because I've always known Jesus is God's Son. And I read the King James Version Bible, and it always says Jesus is a begotten Son of God. Yes.

So I just kind of want you to clarify: why did she say? You know, he's God come to earth in human form. I don't. Why? Yes.

Claire, can you clarify that briefly? Yes, I can. Yeah, I can. And let me lay down the foundation of the Trinity first, because you won't understand this until we get that out of the way. The Trinity is that God is one being who exists simultaneously as three persons.

Not three gods, not three centers of consciousness, but one thing. And when God Himself is revealed in creation, we see the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It's like time. Time is just simply one thing, but there's different, so to speak, aspects of it: past, present, and future. We recognize them in relationship to each other, but they're all the one thing.

as what God is like, Well, the second Person, which is like past, present, future, the present, let's just say. We have Father, Son, Holy Spirit. The Son became flesh. It's John 1:1 and verse 14. In the beginning was the Word.

The Word was with God, and the Word was God. And in verse 14, the word became flesh and dwelt among us.

So Jesus is God in flesh. That's what the Bible teaches. That's Colossians 2:9, Hebrews 1:6 through 8, and John 20:25-28. Go through these. It's one of the most critical.

and essential doctrines of the entire Christian faith, of who Jesus is, God in flesh.

So let me explain a little bit more.

So he was made under the as a little while lower than the angels, that's Hebrews 2, verse 9, and he was made under the law, Galatians 4:4. Being made under the law, He's born of the Virgin Mary.

Well, he had to grow. He had to be circumcised. He had to have the swaddling clothes changed. He had to nurse at the breast of his mother. He had to grow and learn how to feed himself and walk because he was completely and totally a man.

But within him He has a divine nature. And we call this the hypostatic union. That within Jesus, are two distinct natures. We have two distinct natures. I get a little distracted.

hearing an extra noise coming around here someplace. Anyway, he has a divine nature and a human nature, and the two natures are in the one person of Jesus. And then there's a doctrine called the communication of the properties, which means that.

Well, the divine nature has certain characteristics, and the human nature has characteristics. And Jesus, the one person, claimed them both. He says, I'm thirsty. That's human. He says, I'll be with you always, even to the end of the earth.

Well, that's divine. He says, but Father, God the Father, and I will come and we'll live in you. John 14:23.

So, Jesus is claiming both the attributes for himself of the divine and the human.

So, we can say Jesus was the God-man. And as such, he was able to die on the cross for our sins. And he rose from the dead for three days. And this is one of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. Who he is.

Okay. Oh no.

Well, wow.

Well, thank you. Thank you so much for breaking that down because I was like What?

Okay, wow. Thank you so much.

So let me help you out a little bit more, okay?

So the term Son of God can be used of angels and Christians, but in the context of Jesus, it has a different meaning because we go to John 5:18, John the Apostles with Jesus, says he was calling God His own Father, making himself equal with God. And we're almost out of time, so I'm going to go through this quickly. He's called the only begotten. And there's a play on words in the Greek with the word begotten. I can't explain it, don't have enough time, but it can also mean unique.

When it says he's the begotten of the Father, it doesn't mean the Father and Mary, etc., etc., and made Jesus. It just means that the eternal work of God is such that the Son, the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God, would become flesh and. um from the Father and uh he would be the Savior of the world.

Okay? Wow, okay. Yeah, oh, wow, thank you.

Okay. Okay, great. Thank you so much.

Come back tomorrow. We can go over this again, and I can explain it in more depth. And I have lots of articles about this on my website at carm.org, C-A-R-M.org. Come back tomorrow. We'll do.

And I'm going. Yeah, I'm trying to get out to see you. I got to work, but I'm going to try to get out there. All right. God bless us.

We hope to see you. Hey, folks, we're out of time. God bless. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Have a good evening.

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