Prayer at the Heart

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Now, live from the Truth Booth, your host, Robbie Dilmore. How fun today. We have quite a show for you in light of a lot of things that are going on. You may know that with the 250th anniversary of The Declaration of Independence and all that that's going on. There's an amazing movie out called A Great Awakening.

If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. It's it's an amazing thing, but Along those lines, we have Douglas Small, and he's actually the founder of Prayer at the Heart, and they are praying for a million conversions, the need for another. A great awakening, actually, of one million Christians. That's a big idea, Douglas. Welcome to Kingdom Pursuits.

Well, thank you, Robbie. It is a big idea. See, it's a God-size idea. Yeah, I like that kind. Absolutely.

And so You know, how apparently you've had this ministry for some time, prayer at the heart. Can you tell us a little bit about it?

Well, we started about five, six years ago by a call to prayer national call to prayer. And 3,000 people ended up at the geographic center of the nation. It's really a cow pasture. There's a little marker there that's actually maintained not by the state or the Or the that that marks the geographic center of the nation. I'll survey Points are taken off that stop that's there.

Really? And we went there, not to Washington. But but in a place where where only the eyes of God could see us, To say to God, we need you to intervene in the nation. And this was five years ago, and things were not looking very good for us. We had.

We had the intersectionality, we had the gender stuff, we had all this stuff going full blind, and if people knew. What the Biden administration had planned to roll out on the 250th anniversary, they would be horrified. Uh so so we went there and then the goal was was was that every state would do this, circle the state. come to the center of the state, every county, every city. And in the process of that, A large Presbyterian church in Korea contacted me and said, We've said Prayer people to 100 nations, but we want to send them to America.

And they were a little intimidated because we're the big Christian nation. And they said to me, but You don't understand if you go, nobody stops North Korea, nobody stops China, nobody stops Russia. you need a great awakening more than you realize.

So we started hosting these teams and then In the process of that, I'm going to wrap up with this. Uh I met with Billy Kim who Who um uh translated from Billy Graham's Crusade in Korea. uh fifty well fifty one years ago now. And the next day I was meeting with this Presbyterian pastor who was sending these teams. And I had a night with the Lord in which I felt like God just spoke to me.

I want you to mobilize a million people. to pray I want to save a million people in America. That's twice as many. as we are now seeing come to Christ among all denominations.

So all of those pearls kind of on the string are laced together, and that's how we got to our. Our present moment. Oh, absolutely. And prayer is the underpinning of the whole thing, right? It's absolutely beautiful.

But it just late raises two immediate questions in my mind. Like number one, where is the I mean, what state is the geographic center of the nation? It it's it's it's uh the north central part of Kansas near a little town called Lebanon. And uh i i i it's it's amazing because you can go out there in the middle of nowhere and you get R V s and people coming out there steady stream all day long and And the locals have power there and they've maintained it, and there's a little arbor and so forth. And we went up there and looked at it and And they contacted people in the area and found the farmers who owned the land around it.

And they just cleared their land and said, here, go at it. And we put a tent up and People came literally from all over the nation representing all fifty nations, CTN. Had a satellite dish there, uh integrity. T V covered it live. CBN had a correspondent there.

They say a million people may have watched some portion of the of the event. It it really was a desperate plea. Before the the people came, Eight teams came from the four corners, from the north, south, east, and west. One team literally circled the nation. They stopped all along the way, driving steaks, pouring out oil and wine, making declarations, and saying, God.

We have no jurisdictional authority. We don't have a lot of relational influence. But we have spiritual authority, and we want to reconsecrate the nation to you and invite you to take a walk across the nation. And it was really after that, and though I would never claim credit for that, because there's so many prayer initiatives going on. But it was after that that we began to see the college campuses, we began to see the breakthroughs.

We saw the Asbury event. In fact, one of the Korean teams was actually at the Asbury campus praying. And I think now we are on the edge of of what seems to be the promise, the possibility of a spiritual awakening. That's beautiful.

Well, as you reach that edge. You know, what are the next steps that you think, or where can people get involved? What are you hoping for?

Well, you can go to prayerattheheart.org. And if you are listening to this by any chance and you've never made a commitment to Christ, you can go to meet Jesus/slash prayer at the heart. And there's a billigram video and invitation. And all kinds of material there. And there's a prayer line that you can call that's available 24 hours a day.

A million people call it every year already. And if you went to see War Room and you made the call afterwards, it was that prayer line. And they have become wonderful, wonderful partners with us. But what the average Christian can do is break their silence. Only 2% to 8% of us are sharing our faith.

From from from 1962 forward, with the don't pray here, don't pray in the name of Jesus, and all the other stuff that's followed. We've been intimidated into silence. And when we break our silence, it's often with belligerence. It's often angry, frustrated. We can't do that.

We've got to break our silence because right now this young generation 80% of them indicate an openness to hear the story of Christ. If it's from someone who they think is authentic. in their Christian belief. We've never had such silence. in the face of such openness.

And so I'm encouraging Christians. Find 10 make a list of 10 people. that are not church right now, they're not practicing their faith. Have coffee with five. Share Christ with three.

Win one. Get one in church. Get them to go to church with you by Pentecost Sunday or soon thereafter. And just start loving them. Just start building a relationship with them.

Listen to their story. Tell me your story. Tell me your God's story. I don't have a God's story. I'm angry at God.

I'm frustrated. I don't believe there is a God. That's exactly the story I want to hear. Can I tell you my God's story? Yeah, I I remember CBMC's one of their basics is the ten most wanted list, right?

And that idea of making that list And as you begin to pray, it's fascinating how if Okay. It seems to me God takes that and opens your eyes to opportunities you have with that particular person to find that way in, to have coffee with them or. Invite them to some event that you're going to, or whatever the circumstance may be. But I love that idea and have used it for years. Of the 10 most wanted list, it's just spectacular, and I love that.

And so I also, the second question of the two that immediately came to my mind is. Why prayer at the heart? I mean, that's a neat, I love the idea of it, but I'm curious why you chose that to be the name of your ministry.

Well, we felt like God was calling us to pray at the heart of the nation. and the heart of every state, in the heart of every county and the heart of every city. And we've gone to the steps of capitals and we've gone to Washington and we've gone to all these places, but But we were saying, God, we're calling you back to the heart of everything, heart of everything we do. The heart of our daily lives. And so I hate that music says we got to go to a break, Douglas.

Okay, okay. But we got the whole show. Of course, we're going to play a little shenanigans when we come back with the thought of awakening. And we got Douglas Small again. Uh prayer at the heart.org.

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Go to VetTix.org and FirstTicks.org today. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion. And uses it to build the kingdom.

So fun today, we have Douglas Small with us. He's a founder of Prayer at the Heart, and they are praying. How fun! Amazing! Praying for 1 million conversions, right?

The need for another great awakening. How fun would that be here on our 250th anniversary? 1 million. Conversions, right, to Christ. And so.

It's great to have you here with us, Douglas. But you know, one of the interesting things we do here at Kingdom Pursuits is I like to play a little shenanigans. We usually take the word that kind of comes out to me that we can Do a little fun with our listeners and do a few dad jokes, give them a chance to win a prize or two. And so we call it shenanigans. And so, with that said, speaking of awakening.

Big game. Oh yes it is. It's not the place. Shenanika toe. Oh, we're going to see.

Douglas, feel free to laugh, you know, because this stuff will be funny. And, you know, our listeners, they wait for this stuff.

So, here you go. I'm going to throw a real softball out there for you first, right off the bat, Nick.

Okay. And feel free to answer these, Douglas, if you got it.

So. What kind of horse? awakens you With a frightening dream. Mm-hmm. What kind of horse awakens you with a frightening dream?

You got that one, Douglas? I think so.

Okay, whatcha got?

Well, I think it's those that are found in the Revelation. Oh, those would multicolored. How about you, Dick? What are you thinking? I don't know.

I've never wrote a whole horse before, so I don't know. Oh, I think that Douglas is right, but you would actually call them a nightmare. Oh, gotcha.

Okay. All right, you get the hang of it, Douglas. I got it. All right, here's this one is really You might want to write this one down. It's so good, okay?

Okay. So, what. What does a dyslexic? insomniac agnostic think about while he lies awake at night. What does it a dyslexic insomniac agnostic think about when he lies awake at night?

Uh I don't know. He is wondering. If there is a dog. Oh, man. Oh, I like that.

That was great. Yeah, he's wondering if there's a dog. All right.

Next up, before we get to the actual one, listeners can call in and win.

So. Why shouldn't you lie awake at night wondering if the sun will rise? Why that?

Something you shouldn't do. You shouldn't lie awake at night wondering if the sun would rise. How about that one? You want to try that one, Nick? I don't know, that was a stumper.

I don't know. Douglas? I think I'm stumped.

Okay, why are you? I'm back on the dyslexic insomniac that describes me. You're not the agnostic party. You wouldn't be wondering about it, all. But anyway.

The reason you shouldn't lie awake at night wondering if the sun will rise? it will dawn on you. It will every time.

So, at the end of those shenanigans, you knew we would have a riddle for you to call in and win today. And so, if you know the answer to this, you call us at 866-348-7884. 866-348-7884. And this one is along those lines.

So, again, according to Ephesians 5:14, awake. Rise from the dead. And who? Will give you light. That is the answer.

If you can tell us who will give you light and the Ephesians 5:14. Nick, tell them what they'll win. Absolutely. Yesterday we win a prize from our Kingdom Pursuits prize ball. We got prizes just over just spooing out.

We have action Bibles, date-the-word calendars. We don't have any more back scratches up here, unfortunately. But we'll get oh, I'm ordering them. Are you ordering them already? All right.

More of the official Kingdom Pursuits. Official gospel back scratcher. And see, this goes perfect with the idea of the Great Awakening in that these gospel back scratchers have the red and white and black and green beans, you know, so you can share the gospel while you're scratching someone's back. All you have to do, you know, they're on order. We're got them coming in.

It won't take long. 866-348-7884. Tell us, according to Ephesians 5, 14, awake, rise from the dead, and who? Will give you light. That's an amazing idea.

Who will give you light? 866-348-7884. We would love to hear from you. And so getting back to Douglas, and I just can't. Tell you how excited I am as I heard right before we went to the break, I asked the question: why did he name his ministry?

Prayer at the heart. And so now I see: okay, they were at the heart of the nation and being in the geographical center. of the Dacian And again, I I love the idea that it really is our heart. Right? the nation would have that kind of conversion, and we would see, you know, so many people having such better lives for generations, right, that were changed with the first Great Awakening that happened as Whitfield went from you know, city to city, exactly like what you're talking about, Douglas.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. That's our hope. That's our prayer. It took a great awakening to give the nation birth.

Without without that great awakening, There would have been no U.S. The colonies would not have been, they were melded together. by Whitfield's preaching. And now we need Now we need a great awakening to save us. Right.

And we need God to raise up those Those um Speakers like Whitfield was given gifts. Amazing. Again, if you go see that movie, you're going to see some of what we're talking about.

Well, we got Bobby in Raleigh, North Carolina. He has an answer to our riddle.

So, Bobby, you are on Kingdom Pursuits. Good morning. Mines So who do you think Would it be that's going to give you light according to Ephesians 5:14? Uh is it Christ? Oh.

Perfect answer. Exactly. Ding, ding, ding on the nose. You are a winner. Isn't that amazing?

Right. Yes, sir. Thank you very much. Arise from the dead. and he will give you light.

Amen. And I have you experienced that life, that light, Bobby? Yes, sir. I love your name, by the way. It's so close to my own.

I love your show. I listen to it all the time. Thank you, Bobby. I love that you answered this particular question. Because You know, there's so many things that I didn't realize I was in the dark about.

Right? Yes. I remember, and if you're listening right now and you don't know Christ. I remember when I didn't really think That anybody really loved me. And deep in my heart I was convinced that I was unlovable.

Yeah, and you know a lot of people are like that. And what a horrible You know, when you look at somebody that doesn't know Christ... Chances are, down deep inside, they don't know what love is. Yes, sir. And then they don't have, and the light of love is a beautiful thing to experience.

So, Bobby, I am so grateful for your call. I bet your name's Robert, like mine, right? No, um, actually i it it's just I I just go by Bobby. I know, I understand. I go by Robbie.

But on your birth certificate, did it say Bobby? Yes, it is. Man.

So I I was born in the island of Trinidad and we we were British.

So yeah, Bobby is Bobby. That's cool. Bob I I know the American is um Bobby is Robert.

Well, you're the first official Bobby I've ever met. I love it. I love it. Thank you for calling in, Bobby. I appreciate it.

God bless you. Keep up the great work. All right, getting back to our friend Douglas. And uh man, this goal. And so uh Do we have some other events that are coming up from what I understand?

Well, the big date for us is, well, there's a couple. Pentecost Sunday is what we're calling open your church Sunday, and we're suggesting. That um Pastors just open their church from Wednesday to Sunday and let people come and pray. as the disciples might have gathered in the upper room. And then we're also calling that come home Sunday, come home to God, come home to church, even if it's a place you've never been to, a home you've never known before.

There's a father. It goes back to your last comment. Who loves you? and who's waiting for you. And he wants you to come home.

And we think this really will resonate with. with Gen Z. And then July the 4th weekend, we're calling in after innings time for sunrise services. And that goes back to the To the sun that was on the back of George Washington's chair that Benjamin Franklin referred to, and that's captured in the Awakening movie. Is the sun going down on America?

are going up and we want churches all over the nation to pray that the future will be a fresh day, a fresh start for America as a result of a spiritual awakening. Wow. Wow, how cool. Pentecost is on the 26th, right? And so What you're saying.

Really? Yeah, you're right. It's on the 24th.

So you're saying open the, for the pastors to open their church. On the 20th. of May, so that on that Wednesday Thursday, Friday, Saturday that people will come in and pray for this very thing. I mean, no preaching, no teaching, maybe soft music on. Maybe scripture's on the screen, maybe the lost people on the screen.

You know, what's happening now is Gen Z are they're showing up to churches and saying, I've never been inside a church before. Tell me what to do, tell me where to go. And maybe there's some people who wouldn't come to a service. But they'd come with you to sit in church and just talk. I love this idea.

We're going to talk about that when we come back. We got a whole lot more Kingdom Pursuits with Douglas Small. Again, prayer at theheart.org, right, Doug? Douglas? Right.

Yes. We'll be right back. Prayer at the heart. .org, all the stuff we're talking about. Yeah.

You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Uh Welcome back to Kingdom of Pursuits, where we hear how God takes. your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. Really an honor to have Douglas Small with us today. He's the founder of Prayer at the Heart.

And it's at the heart of the nation, at the heart of your state, certainly at the heart of your family. Um You know, as I imagine that everybody listening I You know, I know my own case. There's people in my own family that. You know, they may Not be where they could be, where we're praying that they would be. That again, I love this idea.

The more I thought about it, Douglas. Of opening the churches on Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, and just hang out. And say we're here to pray, you know, and some of this other suggestions that you had, Douglas. Yeah, I was in Guayaquil doing a little crusade years ago, and I was sitting on the veranda and having lunch, and I noticed behind me cut glass windows, which are uncommon except for a church, and I realized it was a Catholic cathedral. And I walked around the block, and it's Friday.

There's no mass going on. But the place was absolutely full. And I walked in and sat down and I thought to myself, I've never seen, in my experience, a Protestant church or a Pentecostal church just full of people who came during lunch to just sit in the presence of God before. And I think there's something about just coming and setting ourselves aside. If you walked into a church on Thursday afternoon and there are people around the altar just quietly praying, praying for lost people.

If we had crosses that we nailed pictures to and we kept lostness before the congregation. And if we also, you were talking about this earlier, the love factor, if we engaged a different kind of evangelism that wasn't confrontational, the first word of God to humanity is that of blessing. And the last word of Jesus, it could not be drowned out by the cross, was to speak a blessing. And that's our call as priest, to speak a blessing over people. and wake up in them the consciousness of God's love.

Oh, man, that's beautiful. You know Last December we went to Israel. Um With Mike Evans to see some of what had happened on October 7th, and we went to the Nova Festival site. And the Nova Festival site, they took... pictures of all the people that had Young people that had come to the festival that unfortunately perished at the hands of the terrorists.

And it was such a sight. Yeah. Um these pictures of these young lives that were ended. And as you said that, I don't know, God just put it on my heart. Like, yes, bring those pictures.

Bring because When you saw those pictures, it it it it it It changed the way you felt about the place. Yeah. It changed the way you felt about the person that that was you know, you see a grave marker, it's one thing, but when you see their picture and here's this vibrant 18, 25 year old girl, whatever, or young man, and and and it was kind of amazing to me that that these memorials, the families had brought like their teddy bear. Or You know Some of their favorite CDs or whatever it was they had decorated these markers. Um with things that Made you realize that this was a life.

Well, when you think about those people on your 10 most wanted lists that we talked about earlier, Douglas, every one of those people. Have lives. Um rich you know, things going on. The God's in there. But if they're missing Jesus, unfortunately, it could be just terminated like.

That forever. You know, one of the most vibrant churches in the nation has been over the years, Brooklyn Tabernacle. All of us love their choir and so forth. I was there one night for their prayer meeting. I was actually sitting right behind Pastor Simbela.

And when he started to go up to the platform, he couldn't go because the entire steps leading up to the platform were covered with pictures. They take one month a year in which everybody brings their pictures of loved ones that they want to know Christ. And for a solid month, they pray with the lostness of their friends and loved ones in front of them. And they take time to weep and say, Lord, I want to spend eternity with you, but I also want them to be there. And it's a powerful, powerful experience.

And it makes that church one of the most vibrant evangelistic churches in the nation. And so that's what we're suggesting. Pray for people. Keep that in front of your congregation. But you bring up such an amazing idea that, you know, Pastor Simbler is like...

Our house will be called a house of prayer, right? And that's what churches, you know, it's what Jesus said as he was clearing the temple. And, you know, that's where the Bible is clear that that's our first go-to. Like without Jesus in the midst of it, what are we doing? And so that's a biblical idea, isn't it?

And that's part of the reason there's no doubt in my mind that that church, and I've been there for his prayer services as well. And you got to see it to truly experience what it's like to see a church on a Wednesday night that is just packed with people with nothing on their heart but a desire to pray for people. In these circumstances, not necessarily, like you said, you know, to keep people out of heaven, but to get people up into heaven. Amen. Amen.

I've always thought that was an interesting concept. It's our pastor one time, I can remember when a bunch of prayer requests came out. He said, You know, we need, well, I know we need to pray for these people and keep them out of heaven, but let's be praying for some people to get them in. And I love your heart for this. Uh Again, that idea of praying from the heart There are so many different angles to that.

And so I'm I'm still like Curious when you came up with that, and I see you've got an amazing board. I went to the website and saw that. You know, what is at the heart of your ministry, I guess?

Well, I tell you what happened years ago. I was on a call. This is decades ago, with a group of intercessors. And I sometimes tell people that I'm not spiritual enough to be in that group of wonderful intercessors. I want to be one.

But some of these people just really have a keen sense of God's voice. And this intercessor said, I saw a black X over the nation, and I asked God, does that mean that you're finished with America? And she said, the Lord said, no. And she said, well, what is that? all about and and and that this is when intercessors get a little cheesy for me and she said uh God spoke to her and said well that's that's gunpowder and that's when I just almost hung up the phone and thought well this is too spiritual for me but then she said a spark hit the center of that X and and the whole map of the US ignited like the old bonanza TV western and I could never get away from that I could I it was her vision but I could never get away from it and I carried it in my heart and from time to time I would share it and then a group of leaders said to me you know this ought to be done and by July the 27th of that year we were in Kansas with 3,000 people praying for six for six hours and then we began to think about this well what about every Christian feeling like they're at the heart of their neighborhood so we partnered with the blesseveryhome.com people where you can go and sign up and be the Christian heart of your neighborhood And get a list of five neighbors every day to pray for.

And then we began to talk about salty groups, how you could begin a prayer group at work off the radar screen, finding two other Christians. And there's a whole curriculum for that that can be pulled down. And all of these ideas just began to come forth, just a ton of ideas. I love that. Yeah, I'm with you.

That is such a cool vision. And when you see the. The aspect to that spark, it's beautiful. We got to go to another break. We got one little short time left with Douglas.

If you've got a question for him, feel free to call. 866-348-7884. We're going to be right back with a. You're listening to The Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Uh Uh Welcome back to King of Pursuits, where we.

You know, here how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. And what an amazing, amazing passion. One million conversions. Like. The Great Awakening, you know, a great awakening in our age.

You know, and as you, I hope, get a chance to go see a great awakening right now, sight and sound theaters putting on this amazing thing, and you can see what it looks like when that spark that Douglas was talking about catches fire and people. Yeah. connected to God all over the place, helping us all draw closer to God. You know what a beautiful thing it would be to see God do that, and we can do our part. And I even love what you're talking about, Douglas, in our neighborhoods.

Right? That's it. That that You make a list of your neighbors and and you Uh you know, however you do it, you take their pictures or you know, just begin to pray. That's pretty convicting, actually, I'll tell you. I hadn't thought about it.

There's a lot of other people I've thought about praying, you know, but um I I I I'm gonna have to take you up on that one. Good. Good. Because it it just makes perfect sense, right? That um that those are the people that are really close to your house.

You see them all the time. And you don't may not know this, Douglas. I was in a pretty horrific car accident. It'll be three weeks on Monday, and so I'm still in a circuitable collar being driven around and unable to drive. And um my neighbors have been Um, mowing my grass, taking my trash in and out, you know, bringing things to me.

Uh, they've they have blessed our family in the last um Few weeks, you know, meals, you name it. They're about to win you to Christ, huh?

Well, we've enjoyed a Bible study in our neighborhood for years. We really have. And, but. You know, there's some that don't come and some that, you know. that that that I should be praying for, honestly.

I don't know how to say that. You know, and and I think what a way to honor the neighbors that have been so kind to us is to be praying um for the the ones that that don't. Um seem to be having too much fun out there. Um, you know, I don't know how to put it other than that, but I mean, it's just a great convicting thing, and so these resources are there at prayer at the heart.org that you're talking about. And they're all free.

Tap the resources tab, and there's about six or seven videos just for individuals, two or three minutes apiece, that say this is what you could do to become a part of the million army, praying army, to see a million people saved. We're just asking you to just reach one. And then there's another set of videos for pastors. And even if you don't get involved by the Pentecost deadline, which we felt like we needed to kind of put a deadline on this, even if you don't do that, these are resources that can be used all throughout the year. Tia, yeah, and I I'm with you.

that Uh wouldn't it be amazing if our churches Um As are so many Orthodox and Catholic churches open all the time, they never close. Like those doors are open. And um Uh And people do go in there and pray. In fact, there's a church in North Carolina. See, you have a 704 area code.

Are you in North Carolina? I'm in North Carolina. Yeah. So up in West Jefferson, there's a church of the frescas, which is a Episcopal church. And it's open 24-7.

And it has some amazing frescas. If you've never been there, everybody ought to go see it. It's amazing. But my wife and I love to go to that church at different times of the You know, that we don't get in there maybe till eight or nine o'clock at night. And just to sit in that church and pray is a huge blessing.

And so that was another one of your ideas. I think it's just a God-given, Spirit-led idea of opening our church. There's an intersection in New Delhi that has a Hindu temple on all three corners, and there's a Christian church, a rare Christian church, on the fourth corner. and it's open one hour a week. The other temples are open twenty-four hours a day.

You know, I just think there's something to this thing about opening our churches to let people. Forget you know, we got we're wor we're more worried about the sound equipment than we are lost souls. And uh it's just something about that that's that just just that's inviting to me. I'm with you. I am 100% with you, Douglas.

I think it's a brilliant idea. To you know, see how you can accommodate that. And, you know, it's That's It's something because people are longing, as you were talking about, as we are praying, as this awakening is happening. People are hungry, hungry to find God. And when a church is open, they can go in.

And they can see that as an opportunity to. You know, witness, like, you know, give your pastors a chance to witness. And so I only have a couple of minutes left. Wanted to give you the last word on whatever you want to make sure you get said, Douglas.

Well, thank you, Robbie, for having me. The real goal is is not a million. The real goal is is is is 35 million. The real goal is to tithe of the nation. The sociological tipping point is just under 20%.

We don't need a majority. We need a minority with a hard-on-fired space, about 20 to 30%. that responded to Whitfield's message and took it seriously. And that sparked the revolution that gave us America. And now we need a million people to push over the first domino and get us going in the right direction again.

Absolutely beautiful. Again. Prayer at the heart.org. Prayer at the heart.org. Thank you so much, Douglas, for being with us today.

Thank you, listeners.

So fun. To have you on today. What an amazing thing I found out about today. I'm glad that I listened. I hope you are.

And again, we'll be back next week with a whole lot more. Kingdom Proceeds.