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Creative Callings: Using Gifts to Grow God’s Kingdom

Kingdom Pursuits / Robby Dilmore
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Creative Callings: Using Gifts to Grow God’s Kingdom

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May 3, 2025 6:32 pm

Guests share their stories of how God has used their passions to build the kingdom, including a biblical cartoonist, a children's book author, and a hospitality expert, highlighting the importance of loving strangers as family and practicing hospitality.

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Kingdom Pursuits where you hear from ordinary people instilled with an extraordinary passion. Together we explore the stories of men and women who take what they love and let God turn their passion into Kingdom Pursuits. Now live from the Truth Booth, your host, Robbie Dilmore.

How fun is this? We are live today from the Truth Booth with all sorts of fascinating stuff. I'm always excited to see how God takes different people's passion and uses it to build the Kingdom.

And so we have several different kinds of authors slash, I guess, illustrators, that would be a good way to put it. And so we're just going to kick it off with one that I find absolutely fascinating. We have Will Boyer and he is a biblical cartoonist. I don't know if you've ever heard of that, but it's really, really cool. And so he has the adventures of Gospel Man.

And for those of you who are watching online, you know, on YouTube or Facebook, very cool. We got Gospel Man and who's this little buddy here in the red, white, and blue? Bible Boy. Bible Boy. I did some research to make sure that the Bible Man show didn't already copyright that. I'm thinking I'm in the clear. Bible Boy and Gospel Man.

I mean, how cool is that? No, no. Is it Bible?

Yes, it's Bible Boy. I'm a little nervous this morning. You'll have to forgive me. Oh, I understand, Will. You know, cartoonists are artists and, you know, extremely creative folks. But talking on the radio is not necessarily. But it's really cool.

Isn't it how God gives you something like that? And you've been doing this for a lot of years. Yeah, 2017. I originally created Gospel Man in 2004 while I was at Piedmont Baptist College trying to be a missionary. But I didn't actually start drawing the, well, I mean, I did do one page in 2010 as a test run, but I was just distracted with secular work, my Super Milo web comic and different publishing companies. But in 2017, I was like, you know what? You know, I'm going to devote more time to God. I need to do this. Let me just say that Gospel Man is buff.

I mean, he looks amazing. So how fun is this? We've got a lot more, too. We've got Annie McCune, and she's the author. I talked to her at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention.

She's the author of an amazing book in a different vein altogether. It's Practicing Hospitality. Welcome, Annie. Thank you, Robbie. Glad to be here. And so hospitality is a tremendously biblical process, and I love how you dig into it. And so just to whet our listeners' appetite a little bit, tell them a little bit about your book.

Well, we have just opened our door for many, many years to just about anybody. And when I started to write down some stories for the grandkids, I decided to look up the word and realize, you know, am I really practicing hospitality? What is the definition biblically that we're supposed to be doing?

And I was delighted and surprised to find that it is not entertaining. It is not this high level of, you know, having everything in order. The word that we're told to practice is phylogenia, which means loving strangers as family. And then I began to see from the very beginning when God invites Adam into the garden, to the very end when there is a huge feast where everybody's invited, that pretty much in every chapter of the Bible, I started seeing God's heart towards this invitation of loving strangers. And loving them into his family of looking for those people that he wants to make part of his family. And so it just became this great adventure as I reflect on my own adventures of opening the door or walking through doors where people took care of me. I began to see God's heart in just new and really exciting ways. I love that. Oh yeah, loving strangers into family.

Like, that's an amazing idea of hospitality. So not only that, we're still, we got, then there's more. We have, help me with your name for sure, it's Kirthana Flanning? Kirthana.

Pardon me? Kirthana. Kirthana. That's how it showed, but so the R is silent? It's subtle. It's subtle, okay. Kirthana, alright.

Fanning. And she is the author of actually six children's books. Yes. And the largest in, I guess first of which was The Girl and Her Noble Steed, am I right?

The first one was Alive in Easter Story, but I would say yeah, the biggest one, The Passion Project is The Girl and The Noble Steed. That's, it's my second newest one. I love it.

I love it. And, you know, it's interesting, you know, I couldn't help but think of C.S. Lewis's book, The Horse and His Boy. If you read that book.

E.D.P. is definitely one of my inspirations. Yeah, you know, it was a, I love that. But The Girl and Her Noble Steed made it, you know.

I pictured the scene in Shrek where Donkey, you know, is being called a noble steed and then, you know, she kind of kicks him to the curb. But nonetheless, how did God get your attention to begin to write children's books? It was, he got my attention by closing all the doors in my life.

Really? Yes, yes, because I think I was way too distracted with the world. And so in my previous job, I was a content head and executive producer and over two decades of experience working in the television industry in Southeast Asia. And that's all I knew.

I come from a Hindu home and a media family. And that's all I knew all my life. And the Lord was trying to get my attention many times, but I wanted to do it my way.

I wanted to do it a certain way. And I thought this is how it's going to be. And sure enough, but after I got married and moved to the United States, it was so strange. Every door just shut for me.

And I was trying to apply for jobs and there was just so many things and nothing was happening. And I knew this was spiritual. This wasn't because of my experience or anything, but the Lord was making me understand that the he wanted me to turn away from all these other distractions and set my eyes on him.

So I was at a complete low at a point when nothing was going well for me. And I fasted and prayed for three days. And the Lord answered. And that's when he said to me that what you're doing is not my will and purpose for you in life. And I want you to write children's books. And he gave me a word from the Bible that confirmed it, what he spoke to my heart. And this came into fruition in 2023.

Wow. And so that first book, remind me the title of that one? Alive and Easter Story was my first book, which was released April 2023 on Easter Sunday. Alive and the Easter Story? Alive and Easter Story. So is alive like A-L-I-V-E?

A-L-I-V-E. Alive and Easter Story. That's interesting. But the title is fascinating.

What is that pointing to? It means alive. The Lord is alive.

And it's an Easter story about his true resurrection and what Easter really means. Okay. Yeah. See, I was overthinking it. But it's a children's book, Robbie.

It's supposed to be simple. It's the short six of us. And so, you know, that's really beautiful. Alive and the Easter Story. And then The Girl and Her Noble Steed, was that number two? No, that was actually released in 2023 of September. So that was my fifth, I would say fifth book. Oh, the fifth of sixth. And how many comic books have you got, Will? Well, we're speaking of only Christian comic books. I've got the free black and white when I pass out.

I've got four colored issues. And then I have one based on Benaiah from the Old Testament. Second Samuel, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. And I co-wrote that with Brandon Wagner. Really? Yes. And so... I don't have a copy of Benaiah on me.

They've sold out. That's a good thing. So Benaiah, is he a cartoon character as well, I suppose? Well, I mean, yeah, they're all drawn in my cartoon style.

There's some artistic liberty due to the fact that I didn't... Nobody's seen Benaiah recently. If you have, call in. Let us know. Yeah, well, we're going to grab some riddles when we come back. We're going to be playing some shenanigans. We've got a whole lot more with Kithana.

You're listening to The Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom, where that passion may be illustrating Gospel man and Bible boy, or it may be talking about biblical hospitality, which has so many roots. It's just fantastic. Or you may be from Southeast Asia, and God is telling you to present a message that even children would not only pick up, but just totally enjoy the adventure of the girl and her noble steed, et cetera. So we've got Kithana Fanning and Annie McCune, who's with Practicing Hospitality, and then we have Will Boyer with the Biblical Cartoonist. But as some of you guys know that have been on Kingdom Pursuits before, those who don't know, we have to play some shenanigans. So when I was looking at the different words and discussing which would be the perfect one to use for shenanigans, I came that noble seemed to work really good.

So speaking of noble. Yes, it is time to play shenanigans. So we've got a few riddles for you. And if you can answer these, you know, just jump right in. Annie, Kithana, Will, you know, it's just to lighten up the conversation a little bit.

So, you know, we always have my producer, Nick, who's an expert at discovering these. So this first one's easy. So we're trying to warm you up here. So what did the Scarecrow? Why? Excuse me, I should say. Why did the Scarecrow get a Nobel Prize?

Why did the Scarecrow get a Nobel Prize? I'm awful at these things. Go ahead. Go ahead. You think you know Will?

Go for it. I'm assuming he was the first person to have a brain transplant without having a brain in the first place. That's a good one. That's a good answer.

Not what we were thinking, but he probably actually from straw. But anyway, Nick, do you know? I don't know about that one. It may ring a bell when you actually hear it.

He was outstanding in his field. Well, your wife knew that one, by the way, and she could have, you know, so. Yes, she did. So I bet you can get this one. Okay. Why did the inventor of knock-knock jokes receive a Nobel Prize? Knock, knock, knock. Right. Why did the inventor of knock-knock jokes receive a Nobel Prize? People were too busy answering the joke to go to war, I don't know.

That could be. He's a peaceful dude, you know? Anyway, you know Nick? Oh, no. You stopped me on this one. When you're knocking, you're not using the bell. You know what I'm saying? No bell. Knock, knock. Ah, yeah. It's still going into my head.

Oh, man. I really thought you would get that one. I'm going to tell you that this one, if somebody gets this one, you got it. Will got it.

All right. So here comes the one that this could be the funniest riddle I've told in a while because I got to tell you that I was laughing out loud tremendously as we discovered this. So you may know that Alfred Nobel was the one for which the prize was named after originally. So why is Alfred Nobel considered the inventor of dynamite? Why is he considered the inventor of dynamite? I would be impressed if you had this one.

I would be very impressed. What do you think? Kitana, you know? Annie?

Will? I thought he did invent it. Well, he's considered to be the inventor of dynamite. That's the poser in the whole thing. Why is he considered?

Because all the others could not be positively identified. Oh, man. Oh, wow.

Really terrible. Like my joke. Yeah, it blowed my mind. I'm just telling you.

I did enjoy that. I got to tell you. So at the end of those shenanigans, you know, I would have a biblical riddle that you could call in and win. And so if you can answer this particular riddle, you need to call us at 866-348-7884. And the question is, in what book of the Old Testament did someone knock, thus winning the Nobel Prize? Which, by the way, you're going to find... if there's another person that knocked in the Old Testament, I would love to know where that is. But I found one person in the Old Testament that knocked on a door, actually.

866-348-7884, 86634 Truth. What book in the Old Testament did someone knock? And if they can do that, Nick, tell them what they'll win. Absolutely, yes. You will be winning one of the comic books that we have from Will today. And, you know, we were reading these comments, and these are really good comments. These are pretty awesome. I'm so glad the music came back on. I feel so better. I'm sorry. Yes, we'll call in for Robbie's riddle, 866-348-7884, get a copy of Gospel Man's Adventure.

Like, these are really cool comments. There you go. All you have to do is tell us in which book of the Old Testament. Of course, plenty of knocking in the New Testament. Just saying, ask, seek, knock, it's all there. But in the Old Testament, where would you find that?

866-348-7884. And getting back to Annie and her hospitality, like, oh my goodness. Have you ever studied some of what the Jews teach on Sarah, the, you know, mother of Isaac slash Abraham's wife? I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to. Tell me. So it's really, really an amazing thing. And again, to the Jewish people, hospitality is, like, gigantically huge. And it has to do, you know, there are essentially three fathers and four mothers from their point of view. Right?

You'll hear them. So just like we do the 12 Grays Days of Christmas, well, they have something they do at Passover like that. And they got, you know, four mothers, three fathers, and on you go down to the, you know, five golden rings. So anyway, Sarah and Abraham were known for their hospitality. And, you know, they had this tent and the tent door was always open, always open, especially to strangers.

Yeah. And fascinatingly, you know, you'll see that when the, you know, the three visitors come, that he goes in and he fixes food for them and all those kind of things. And apparently they did all these kind of things. But legend had it that the candle that was in Sarah's tent, and this is, again, this is what they call the oral tradition of Judaism, that never went out. And, you know, she, I'm trying to remember all the aspects of it, but all these things that she had, these miraculous gifts, were part of why Isaac was in such mourning because they were no longer able to do a lot of the things that her mother was able to do until, of course, his wife, Rebecca, came.

And she picked up the mantle of this hospitality. Of course, Abraham was always there and actually teaching people about the idea of one God because at that point in time they had lots of them. And so it's kind of cool that even back, as far as you can find in the Bible, that not only was hospitality, you know, making strangers into family, but it was making strangers into the family of God.

Absolutely. I love that you bring up Sarah and Abraham because it's in Genesis 18, I think. Is that first place where the Trinity is seen in the Old Testament?

That's exactly where it is, right? Yeah, where the strangers come. And, I mean, to this day, Robbie, there's sort of this law of the desert because people that live in tents in the desert know that if your tent is not open, if somebody's traveling through and you don't take them in, there's a good chance they're going to die and that blood's going to be on your hands. So this sense of this desert hospitality, which again is where God based His story. Like, would you please keep your doors open? People are going to die if you don't invite them in.

But it's so beautiful. I happen to go to a church called Trinity Anglican. So we have these pictures of that Andre Rublev icon that so many people have seen with the Father, Son, Spirit, which it's just so cool to think about God just emphasizing that story of His hospitality, you know, being around this table, that then He invites Abraham and Sarah, and it's out of that story that the sands of the seas begins to, you know, just come into fruition. That you and I, Robbie, know this story because Abraham believed, and even though Sarah laughed, you know, she let it be done unto her. And none of us would have this story that we live for that just burns within us, that informs us that we are part of God's family. And part of Abraham's family, right, as we're drafted in.

Exactly. We are all drafted in. Not like the NFL, we were not drafted. Not drafted in, yeah.

We were drafted. It's a good week, but we don't have to worry. We're all invited.

We're all invited to that party. It's absolutely beautiful. But it is so beautiful to see it in the Old Testament and to see it, yeah, almost in more... And so I can't help but think that, Kithana, that, you know, clearly there you were in Southeast Asia and God came after you.

Talk about hospitality. The door was open. How did he find you? Oh, well, he found me at the age of nine. Really?

Really? Oh, man, I hate that music song. That means we've got to go to a break. But we left our hair, Kithana, right in the middle of, you know, being nine years old. So we're going to get back to that. But also, I can't believe no one's called in to tell me which book in the Old Testament... Now, you've got to think. It'll come to you.

Did someone knock? 866-348-7884. You're going to win comic books. It's going to be amazing.

866-348-7884. We'll be right back. You're listening to the Truth Network and truthnetwork.com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. And how fun today we have Will Boyer. He's a biblical cartoonist. And I'll just tell you, on the very front of the Gospel Man Adventures, it says, With the Gospel, every day is a free comic book day. And I can tell you that's really important to his ministry. And so, like all our guests today, if you go to kingdompersuits.com, you're going to see the book, these different books, The Girl and Her Noble Steed, Practicing Hospitality, and of course, Will's comic books. All those, you know, are available to you. And Will, it's really important to know that you can get all this information free from Will. But also, you could call in and answer my riddle.

And you're going to get a whole bunch of comic books. And that would be, Al is in Greensboro. So Al, in which book of the Old Testament do you find this, pardon me? Songs of Solomon 5 and 2. My hero, man. Isn't that beautiful? I slept but my heart was awake. You remember that verse, those of you thinking about it, right? I love her, he's knocking.

And don't think that he isn't right this minute for you, wherever you are. Great answer, Al. You're going to win some comic books, I can assure you. So I'm going to... How did you, by the way, come upon that? You just knew it? No, I didn't just know it. I went through my Bible app and I punched in knock. And there you go. It came up. Great job, Al. It's the only Old Testament scripture that has knock in it according to what my app says.

You're exactly right. Because you know what I was looking for this morning when I went searching for it, which, by the way, it was before I came up with this riddle. I wanted to see how to spell knock in Hebrew. And I got to just tell you that when you see it, it blew my mind. Because, again, the idea that they talked about in Matthew in the Sermon on the Mount, that you would first ask and continue to ask and you would seek and you would continue to seek.

But it's like you're leveling up to the point that you begin to knock. And the word knock in Hebrew, it starts out with a dalad, which is a picture language, so that dalad is a door. Ah.

Isn't that cool? The second letter is sort of a connecting letter saying that these two ideas are being connected. The second letter is that vav, but the third one is a letter pei, which starts – that idea of God's presence. It's actually a picture of God's face. And so when you knock, what are you hoping for?

What's going to be on the other side, right? It's that unbelievable presence of God. Isn't that a cool thing, that that's the word knock? I love that you found that and that you got these comic books, so you're going to see Gospel Man firsthand. So thank you, Al. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for calling today. God bless. All right. So when we left our hero, Kithana, she was nine.

And take us from there. So yeah, around the age of eight or nine, I come from a broken home. It was a very abusive situation. I was abandoned by my own father and never felt the love of a dad, and my stepdad never loved me. But sure enough, there was a father in heaven who always watched out for me and, you know, carried me all along all these years of my life. So it started with my cousin, that is my God mom's daughter, first daughter, was the first one who was found in my family. And I feel this necessary to share this because if these things didn't happen, I would have never been saved.

And so it's important for me to share this part of the story. She was the first one who got saved in our family and she led my God mom to Christ. But at the age of 16, she fell very ill when she was traveling overseas and fell into a coma. And my God mom was praying for her to be raised up. And that was her prayer.

And so when she visited her in Dubai, she was standing by a hospital bed and crying out to God and praying that he would raise her up. She said that in a still moment, she heard his small voice say, Thy will be done. And she said it took everything in her heart, took everything in her soul to speak those words in obedience. And she did. She did say, Thy will be done. And my cousin left the world serving her purpose. My God mom didn't harden her heart towards the Lord.

She humbled herself and leaned into what he was calling her. And he had promised her he'd give her back daughters. And her ministry was my sisters and I, three daughters. And she has been our spiritual mother. And that was the time when she started talking to us about Jesus because he had told her that raising the three of us was her purpose. And he had given her this ministry to raise us three goals. And we needed a spiritual mom at that time. I mean, I was very little then.

My sisters would not have been born. I needed her at that time because there was just so much going on in my home. And she was there as a rock in my life as my spiritual mother. And that's how I got saved. Can I just say, wow.

How good is God. I mean, that is such such a story. And out of that right as birth to your ministry.

Yes. And so these children's books. And it's so cool. Like the second Corinthians, it says the God of all comfort comforts us with the comfort we were comforted with.

So as you were received Christ as a small child, you are reaching out to children. Have you ever. Yeah. And that's so cool.

Yeah. And now it's I. And it's just it's so beautiful because I always look back. I never thought in my wildest dreams a lot would take my brokenness, take my childhood, a childhood that I thought I had lost. I'd grown up too soon. I never got to enjoy and use those parts, turn, bring beauty from ashes and use those parts, those parts to guide and help other kids and be there for them as a support system.

Now, again, it's kirthana fanning and she has six children books, which you can go to Amazon and see all those. But if you get a kingdom pursuits, you can see the link to the girl and her noble steed. And you begin to push into that. So turning back to will for a second. Right. Yes. You said that when you go to your Web site, not only can you get these comic books, but you said you can read them for free and all sorts of things.

Yeah. I probably need to create some sort of Web site with all the links on it. But I have various Web sites for Gus, man. I've got you can read it for free on comic fury dot com. This is this is where my Web comic is currently hosted. It's not a Christian Web site.

You'll see. But if you go to the one that I that I have there. Yes. The gospel man has a link to go straight to my comics. There are two links, one where you can read the cosmic comic strip or you can read the gospel and adventures series. And of course, you can order the actual books.

Yes. What a what an amazing gift, by the way. Like, you know, you're trying to think of what to bring to that next birthday party or whatever you got going on in. And, you know, it's kind of neat to have all supply of these biblical comic books to, you know, give out whatever your situation may be at Christmas, Easter, all sorts of wonderful times to to come up with a present like that.

Because, again, if you go to kingdom pursuits dot com, you can see the whole adventures of gospel man there and pretty easy to follow. And there's also, of course, the book Hospitality Practicing Hospitality. And so, you know, Annie, I couldn't help but hear a whole lot of hospitality going on in this whole Godmother story because. Right. She was making family God's family of someone that was a stranger originally. Right.

That's exactly right. And and I just what I think is so sad, Bobby, is that especially here in America, we have this assumption, oh, everybody knows God. Everybody feels that they're part of the family of God.

And the statistics are just the very opposite. Over 50 percent of Americans feel desperately lonely and and like nobody loves them and they're not connected and they're isolated. And and I'm thinking, wait a second, you know, we know this gospel truth and why are we not opening our doors? Why are we not? And it's not even about opening the door.

I think the most hospitable person ever was Jesus and he didn't own a home. So how do we do this thing of loving strangers like family? And that's that's what I hope people begin to think about and pour into, like, let's do this. Let's let's begin loving the people that aren't like us. Yeah, right. It's all in this book again.

It's Practicing Hospitality. It's right there at Kingdom Pursuits. Well, we've got one more segment coming up, so I hope you'll stay tuned. We've got a whole lot more coming up with Annie, Keith, Anna and Will from Comics to Hospitality.

You're listening to the Truth Network and Truth Network dot com. Welcome back to Kingdom Pursuits, where we hear how God takes your passion and uses it to build the kingdom. Just so much fun today with Annie McCune, author of Practicing Hospitality. Keith, Anna Fanning, the author of six children's books, including The Girl and Her Noble Steed. And, of course, a live and Easter story.

And Will Boyer. He is a biblical cartoonist of Gospel Man Adventures with Bible Boy. How fun is that? And so I'm going to ask you all three the same question so you can be thinking about what you're going to say when it's your turn. But I'll just start off with Gospel Man over here and say, you know, when you knew you were going to be on the radio today, what did you want to make sure you got said that you have not had a chance to say?

I don't know. We discussed a few things, you and I, and I had some things running through my mind. I mean, I'd love to share my testimony, but it's not really about me. It's about the Lord. It's about Jesus Christ. It's about the gospel message. And that's why I'm doing Gospel Man because I want children and their parents to be able to hear the gospel truth so that they can accept Christ as their savior before it's too late. Of course, you know, some of our stories just teach biblical moral values, too. But but that's why the character is called Gospel Man. He's I'm trying to encourage children to see. The gospel preacher is a hero, you know, someone who's pointing the way to Christ and just to try to make that cool, I guess. And I'm hoping that people young and old will take up the calling to enter the harvest.

Right, right. Because, I mean, you know, everybody's got heroes in life and, you know, it's pretty cool to point youngsters in that particular direction. And again, I'll point out, if you go to KingdomPursuits.com, you're going to see the Gospel Man adventures, et cetera. And you can see Will's comic books. They're amazing stuff as we have them here in the studio. It's beautiful. I'm going to show them one more time to all those of you who are watching on Facebook or YouTube. And so we also have, of course, Kathana Fanning and Keith on, I should say.

And Keith and Keith and Keith and Keith and Keith and Keith. And so, Kathana, what did you want to make sure you got said today that you haven't said? That prayer is very important in our lives and our God is a God who's very real and he answers. It may not be the way we expect it sometimes or most times, but he knows what's best for us and he has the best plans laid out for us. And it's very, very important for us to pray about everything. And so I just want to encourage everyone to start prayer, especially for your kids at a very young age. Teach them to pray, just to talk to God, even if they were just talking about their everyday or what they're doing, how they feel. It's still a prayer.

And to encourage them to get into a fellowship of prayer with the Lord. That's absolutely beautiful and clearly what happened with your Godmother is she, you know, that's a powerful story. Wow.

It really is. I truly believe, I always tell, I know for a fact that my Godmother prayed me into where I am today. I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing if not for her prayers, if she had not held on to the promises that the Lord had given her. And I know the importance of that and that's why I feel the Lord, my ministry is also about encouraging children and families to be bold and confident and pray and to speak the word of God. And so prayer is what I'm called to encourage and speak and help people understand.

Right, right. So Annie, how about you? Well, I just hope that every listener out there would not be afraid to love on those that they don't know and understand. Those that they consider strangers. That they would maybe make an effort to get to know their neighbors this week. To be a listening ear to someone that they don't understand and through those interactions make that two to three feet of personal space as hospitable as possible.

If the Holy Spirit resides in you, let him give you the courage to be that smile, be that touch, be that word of kindness, be those listening ears that give us that opportunity to invite people into his family. Wow. Yeah, absolutely. I love it. Again, the book Practicing Hospitality, it's on Amazon. It's pretty easy to find under Annie McCune, but if you go to Kingdom Pursuits, you can find a link there to Amazon as well as Kitana's whole six series.

Again, if you click on her as an author, which you can see how her name is spelled, et cetera there, the girl in her noble steed is pictured there at the website and you can see how to get those. And Will Boyer, again, he's got his biblical cartoons, The Adventures of Gospel Man and Bible Boy, and if you go to Kingdom Pursuits, you can get all that information as well. I love, love, love, you know, essentially the heart of the gospel, which everybody's speaking to, but if you don't pray, as Kitana mentioned, it's all about a relationship at that level. It's where you're going to find that hospitality.

It's where you're going to find that noble steed. It's where you're going to find, you know, that friend that the Gospel Man's trying to point you to. And I love that y'all's heart is all so in line with what is the gospel, I believe. And I really appreciate you guys so much for being on Kingdom Pursuits today. Thank you, Will. Thank you. Thank you, Annie. Thank you, Robbie.

Kitana. Thank you, thank you. So good to have you all. I want to tell you that there's an amazing, encouraging prayer. One of the best, I think, that James Banks ever did today, following right up after the show. Then you've got If Not For God with Mike Zwick. It's his way back show. He's coming back this Saturday. And if you happen to be in Greenville Spartanburg, you're going to hear Masculine Journey starts here now, out there, and then Masculine.

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