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25 years on the PGA Tour and a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America, Jay Delsing brings you his perspective on one of the world's greatest games as a professional golfer and network broadcaster.

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We've got a Whackin' Jay segment that's going to be very fun. They're playing the second round of the playoff series at Medina Country Club. Medina number two. Have you ever played Medina number two in Chicago?

Didn't we play it in college? We played Medina, I think, in the morning and Butler in the afternoon and we were all whoa out after those two spectacular golf courses. We had no golf balls left.

No, no. It was so much fun playing those two great golf courses, but I remember they beat us up. I was hardly in the mindset to play a tournament the next day after just getting beat to death on those two golf courses. Why we ever thought 36 holes on those two monsters was a good idea? Well, because we wanted the opportunity, you know, and remember coach had some spectacular round once upon a time in was it a US Open or a PGA shot 62 or 64 the little pro so we had to play that so he says no no I saw the score but it was up on the wall in a corner behind it someplace or something like that anyway it was spectacular now the score he shot once upon a time there was absolutely one of the all-time great great rounds yep that's right um we've added this Whackin' Chase component to our show and everywhere I go people are saying to me what you know what what is the deal with this and I know we're not going to do this until the the 19th hole but you know it's it's formulated after the the popular series Car Talk and the brothers you know Click and Clack. It's really been fun.

It's fun stuff and then we get to hear other people's stories. We hear constantly what do people like what do people like about the show they like to hear stories so we get to hear other people's stories we interject our stories we pull you know one of the favorite things a couple weeks ago we said it's one of the uh Collins what's the best shot you ever had it was 10 minutes before he remembered he had a hole in one once upon a time so it's just funny on how people's minds are working and it's just been a fun I got a great question for you about Medina story about Medina tell the listeners about when you're working for NBC our buddy Tom Randolph and Tommy Roy that whole the whole you know Roger Mulpe for the Ryder Cup for the Ryder Cup and tell them about the Steve Stricker coming down the stretch at 17 and you mean just that how he kind of yep you know what a great player Steve Stricker is and and I had a huge a big friend a great guy friend of them before yep I don't know him hardly at all except a little bit tiny bit through you but I've always been a fan I'm still a fan he's still a great player but boy that's one of those situations and that's what the Ryder Cup does to people it's that next level of pressure that these guys simply are not used to Steve Stricker is such a great player to begin with but around the greens is spectacular he had a medium to very easy chip on the on the 17th hole it's one of those things a little over the green right downhill slightly but nothing dramatic but just kind of bump it on the green or maybe on the fringe and let it let it almost too hard and too high and it's gonna be fine it's it's it was pretty much just oh not a funnel but I mean it how was the line I was six feet from it I know he was good to very good and for for his skill level it was a little downhill for sure but he clearly knows how to handle that and I'm thinking he's got this and or he might make it could he could but boy did he just kind of gun gun it a little bit now again you don't want to leave it there so right he's not normally thinking that but that's why I love we talk about this all the time that's why I love the Ryder Cup that's why I love the FedEx playoffs at the end of the year that's right it puts these guys in a situation that even the best aren't used to that that it tweaks them and out of that comfort zone sometimes they excel and in this case unfortunately and I think he said that hurt him for a long time he knows that was a tough pill to swallow that miss well we're going to talk about this by the way just quickly he peered it off the tee to get to there no question like extra peered it and that's why I heard so far right we're going to talk a little bit about this after the our interview with bones makai because he talks a little bit about the Ryder Cup and that Ryder Cup specifically when Phil got paired with Keegan Bradley all right so that's going to wrap up the on the range segment folks the underrated on the range segment is going to be a little shorter this week because 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with you so bones I just you know googling you a little bit uh you know we started out I guess we've probably known each other for shoot close to 25 or 30 years um yeah I would say closing in 30 I can I can remember when you started caddying I think you started caddying for miser Larry Mize and um you know Scott Simpson a little bit I can remember you hanging around just talking to you you're one of the taller guys I was tall we just kind of hung out and talked together before you even met Phil I can remember those days yeah absolutely it's uh yeah 1990 and uh you know the time flies by as you know and uh yeah as you say I can remember being paired with you at the Kemper open there at the Avanel and on other other situations like that so it's it's funny what sticks in your mind but it's it's great to have friends you know but uh and relationships will last as long well it really is and I gotta tell you what um what a career you've had when I when I when I look at um you and Phil you caddied from Phil for 25 years five major championships I think bones is this right 12 writer cup appearances and 12 presidents cup appearances actually it was 11 of each 11 he's gone on now to make one more so he's he's on a he's on a run of 24 I guess that would be um an incredible run and and yeah you know when I went to work for him in 1992 my only goal is a caddy because as you know Jay you don't know how long your caddy career is going to last and what's going to happen there's there's no job security in it so you know you just you just take what you can and you appreciate every minute of it when I was working I wanted to work in one Ryder Cup that was my goal in in caddying for Phil and I ended up working 11 straight from so that was uh a tremendous uh you know pleasure for me and and you know I can't say enough about that tournament itself the Ryder Cup and you know all that goes along with it and uh all the other tournaments I was lucky enough to go to bones and you know the way that Phil plays I just think of all the different shots is there any Ryder Cup experiences that stand out in your mind with them oh man either I mean so so 11 of them you played half uh across the pond and the other half over here and it's just remarkable how much the Ryder Cup has grown in popularity because even even when we both started on tour um I was you know five years ahead of you but the Ryder Cup was just kind of about eh you know it was until they included you know all of Europe uh on their side it really didn't become what it is today yeah you're exactly right I mean when they all of a sudden had Seve Ballesteros European team and things change quickly and and I think certainly America with you know the U.S. is winning books to everyone there for quite some time and then in the 80s things changed dramatically and uh and you know and golf is the big beneficiary of that if you ask me uh you know when you have these incredibly competitive Ryder Cups and and there's so much passion so much that goes into it that you know it just kind of fuels the fire of it being such a great event and you know I tell people all the time that you know to me part of what makes golf so great as a sport is the fact that you get an event like this where guys they're you know they're not only not making any you know a dial from saying in this they're changing their schedule they're flying and their parents and their friends you know at great cost and and and anybody would in that situation but it just speaks I think for how great golf is that that they're arguably the one of if not the most premier events of the sport is one that is absolutely no prize money you're just doing it for the love of your country and your your confidence and and for your representing your tour and as you know Jay I mean guys will move heaven and earth to make those teams because they just mean so much you know it's I've done every single one since 1993 and I just can't get enough of that I think it's an amazing event yeah it's it's really special I I would concur as a player I never made it to a team but of all the things I'd like to do or would have liked to have done that would be at the top of the list bones is there anything that sticks out in your mind any uh any part of the Ryder Cup lore that's most special to you it would take me hours to answer that question because there's so much Jay I mean you know the question about the Ryder Cups is you can go there and have an amazing week on a week where you don't win and certainly you know I was on you know caddying on you know still on teams where there were several losses but you know I was on the first team in I think 2006 the first match on Friday with Phil and Krista Marco when Dan Clark came to the team in the first event I think basically that he played in certainly the first Ryder Cup after losing his wife and you know it was one of the most emotional things I've ever seen in my life where you know you're playing this incredible event and and he comes to you know the first tee to just you know a thunderous reception everybody you know is well aware of what he and his family had had been going through for for months and years and and you know walked on the tee and hugged both of the American players and and then hit it straight down the middle hit it to 10 feet and birdie the first hole and it was like one of the loudest players I've ever heard and you know you can't you can't obviously put a price tag on something like that it you know we went on and got a butt kicked that week and you know you know that's that's fine I mean everybody gave their absolute all but just to be a part of that scene if you will or excuse me you know witnessing that that that that going on it was it was an honor to be there and you know there were you know dozens dozens more great you know stories you know throughout the Ryder Cup that I was lucky enough to be at yeah bones what a stupid question that's kind of like asking you which one of your kids you like the best you've got all you've got all those beautiful memories in there and it we'll just wait for the book to come out but I can remember talking to Corey Pavan when he played his first Ryder Cup match and he was playing with Lanny and he was hitting the first and the alternate shot the four ball and they announced him on the first tee and he literally told me he didn't think he could get the ball to stay on the tee his hands were shaking so much you know and so when you think about what these great players have been through and that does that to them that it shows you what it means to them no question um one of my favorite Ryder Cup stories happened in uh 2012 in Chicago at Medina which was Keegan Bradley's first Ryder Cup and he and Phil were going to play together and uh basically you know it was alternate shot so I'm out in the fairway you know full padding it's your date for Keegan to drive it off the first tee and kind of do my caddy thing and he throws it and I couldn't pick the ball up in the sky and I realized you know after a couple seconds I had no idea where this ball was and I I heard something out of it you know in my hearing if you will and saw something on my peripheral vision and realized that Keegan had driven it so far the ball was basically closer to the green than it was to me you know somewhere you know around 350, 60 yards you know just incredibly jacked up and so we played a couple holes whatnot we're out there in this match I can't remember they're playing and Keegan comes over to me on the third or fourth hole and says to me what happened on number one I go what do you mean what happened one number one hit one of the longest strides I've ever seen anyway long story short he completely blacked out the pressure was so intense there was so much going on he could not remember what had happened on the hole he played an hour before so again get you know it just speaks for what these guys go through physically and emotionally and again what an amazing event it is yeah man that is incredible and it is really remarkable when you think about the situations you've been in and what it does to you and how you respond and sometimes you know it's surprising I'm in the few tournaments that I've won you know I can remember a certain calm coming over me and in a situation where I'm thinking man there's no way I should be calm you know and you can you can do these things and it's it's remarkable bones what do you think the best or the most important thing a caddy can do for a player I mean one of the things I want to talk to a little bit about is it to me you and Phil had something that nobody else had at the time now and on the on the tour today it looks like the players talk about team concept my team my player you know Grella and Jordan Michael Grella and Jordan Spieth kind of created that that neat unit out there but you and Phil had that man to me talk a little bit about that and and I think it's really a great thing that the that the caddies are starting to get more recognition and obviously making more money yeah thanks you know well yeah it's it's it's it's the whole time things it's a fascinating dynamic as you know as you just said and you know in terms of what a caddy can bring of the most important okay thing a caddy can bring other than the obvious which is to be incredibly prepared having to walk the course you know know your player I think you know one of the things I tell people when they ask me that questions is the caddy's got to not be afraid to disagree with the player and and doing so you know it's one thing to disagree you know when you're in the 43rd place playing in palm springs and nobody cares but it's it's equally you know if not more important to not be afraid to disagree with your player when you're playing at the black the back nine of the gust on sunday and you know it's the easiest thing it's it's an easy trap to sometimes fall in his caddy just to you know love everything your player loves I love seven iron will I do too and I think you know the best the best caddies out there are certainly guys that you know know enough about what's going on knowing about the player know enough about the fact that he's got all his adrenaline pumping through his body that no you know I don't like seven I think you can get eight there and in a sense be able to back it up I mean I think one of the qualities a lot of good caddies have is the ability to make their point in very few words you know there's no question and we saw it a lot this past week machine now you're going to get into these extent conversations about targets and about wind and stuff like that but on those occasions where you don't necessarily agree with your player you've in a sense got to back it up and you know if you can turn him and say you know I like eight iron here because you hit 167 yards on thursday in a similar temperature with a similar wind it gives the player that much more confidence in what it is you're saying to him so you know I think that those are you know some of the you know it's again a long conversation with all kinds can bring to the table certainly confidence and you look at a guy like Joe LaCarlo canning for Tiger Woods this year and there was this great story about them on 16 you know they're looking to ultimately get in the lead after Molinari may double on 15 of the guests of this year and Tiger hits it to a foot and a half they're on 16 and Tiger brings in them for the read oh my gosh you know we we grab a caddy I mean just from a pay standpoint bones it was almost insulting you know when I grew up as a caddy so it was a hell of a lot more than I was making but I mean we were just bag toters you know and we just show up and get get paid a little money but um just the whole Tiger Woods effect and you know Phil had something to do with that and and and you're part of that that discussion as well but I just never thought gave it much thought bones about what the game and the tour would look like you know 15 years down the road or 10 years down the road and to look at what these guys are enjoying the stages just the from a hospitality standpoint but just what the golf courses look like and the spectators and the amount of people just remarkable well it is I mean you know we were laughing over over a beer recently about you know what golf would look like in this day and age if Tiger Woods would have played soccer you know and and you know you know he changed everybody's life out there uh you know for the better and and you know you know you can't thank the guy enough for it but to your point everything got so much bigger and better certainly the purses but so much more than that after he came out in 96 and you know you factor in things like tv contracts and whatnot but you know the reality is you know whether you're the second best player of that generation or the 200th best player of that generation I mean you know we all you know got to stay in nicer hotels and and enjoy a better lifestyle because of what Tiger brought to the table and what he did for the game and and again you know with the popularity of it and I was fortunate enough to see it on on many of occasions you know whether it's the Masters or you know I'm the one year Phil and Tiger played together on a Saturday or Sunday at the at the Buick Open in Flint Michigan and that neither one of them was going to win the tournament they were probably in 20th or 30th but there was a blimp shot of somebody took a camera up there and took a blimp shot of the golf course and basically seemed like virtually everybody at the tournament that day they showed a shot of the property was following this group of Tiger and Phil and and and and certainly it's it's you know Tiger was the guy that that that stirred the drink that kind of drove the bus if you will and and what he did for everybody out there is just something you can't you know calculate or put into numbers but we're all incredibly grateful for it and you know to me when you go to you know even like the Ryder Cup last year as big as that event has gotten we've discussed that and you see the incredible first tee with the stands I think that could help several thousand people behind the first tee I think that also yeah it's incredible I mean you know I'll you know it's hard to put a finger on you know all the areas that it ultimately affected be it you know folks in the media or the officials or what have you but you know again you just can't thank the guy enough and I think that's why you know other than the obvious why his win at Augusta this year was just so popular people were just so happy for him and he's had all these issues physically and uh just to see him kind of conquer those and have the surgeries work out and win in the fashion he did and I'm sure you know that's why he reacted the way he did there on 18 green it was I think something that put a 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636-926-9622. All right, we are going back and we are going to wrap up the interview that I had with Jim Bones Mackay. You know, Bones, one of the things that's interesting about Tiger, and you're a guy that's had both knees replaced in 2016. And I want to talk about your transition to the TV because you're doing a great job.

And this perspective you're giving me and my listeners today, you're being able to kind of portray that on TV. And that's not an easy thing. But you know, when you overcome injury and you've got this pain and stuff like that, and you saw Tiger swing up until he got his back fused and I'm like, there's no way in hell he can compete with today's player. And then he gets this back surgery and all of a sudden the doors open again.

Yeah, it's crazy. And, you know, this goes so well, a lot of heart and, you know, being as mentally tough as he is, and certainly, you know, physically forever there. He was, you know, by far the best player in the game in terms of his ball striking, short game putting and all that stuff.

But, but, you know, to your point, you know, here, here he is this past April and, you know, I'm sure it's tough for him to get to a level where he hit it like he used to, but it's more than good enough. I mean, he obviously wins the tour championship last year in Atlanta on one of the best ball striking golf courses, the PGA tour goes through a course where you absolutely can't fake it and just dominates the event in a sense on Sunday and when, and then there he is at Augusta doing his thing. So, you know, the guy, you know, he's the most competitive person I've ever met and, and, and has this, you know, just incredible sense of, of the moment, if you will. And, and, and that big stage that he just loves to be on. And, you know, I had a chance, I think in the poll, but then at Augusta the year, he won his fourth straight major there in 2000, 2001, you know, watching him certainly in that phase of his career. But then again, excuse me, then later on now, the way he does it, the way he manages game and he doesn't make mistakes and ultimately gets the finish line, the way he did at Augusta, it's just, it's incredible decision. You know, people can't get enough of it. And I, I certainly hope he's got many more years of that ahead of him.

Yeah, I do too. I mean, bonus to your point there, he is definitely doing it in a different fashion, but I've never met or seen a competitor that doesn't give up on any play. So, you know, if Tiger's got a 200 foot putt for double bogey, he's got every ounce of blood, sweat, and tears in this thing.

And it's just an, it's not an easy thing to do. Exactly. I mean, you look at some of the victories that he's had over the course of his career. And I remember one year, I think he won at Torrey Pines. He made the cut on the number and then shot something in the low sixties on Saturday, went on to win the tournament. And then the year he won a pebble, I think coming back to meet Matt Gove when he hold the wedge shot on 15, I mean, he was that guy that showed up, you know, on Sunday seven or eight back and was absolutely sure he could still win the tournament, which I think is a quality not many people have, if any. And, you know, there was nothing he couldn't do.

And of course, when you see that name creeping up the leaderboard, it can have a funny effect on some of the guys ahead of him. And, and, you know, that's, that's how you up with 80 something victories. I've been fortunate enough to do a little bit of this with a little bit of commentary work with Fox and PGA Tour Live. And you went straight to NBC. You got your, I think you got your, your knees done first, right? Didn't you get your knees done in 2016? That's a big deal having both at the same time, I'm assuming.

Yeah, I got them done late 16 and then went to work for NBC in, in July of the next year in 17. So talk a little bit about that transition. I mean, it's, it's one thing, I'll, I'll say this for me, I love the fact that I can still be connected to the game when I do the TV, but it's still not quite the same.

You know, it's just not the same as having those clubs in your hand or being in, in the, in the game, so to speak. Well, you're right. You know, when I went to work there, note of the day who I worked with told me that the toughest part to your point, Jay is, you know, it's going to take a while to get over the fact that you're not part of the competition anymore. And certainly he's right.

And you're right. So I'm two years in now and it's, it's just now getting easier, but you know, it's, as you say, you can't make a difference out there in terms of, you know, you know, from a caddy perspective, you know, affecting somebody positively, you know, talking to a guy into a good club or, or just doing, you know, one of the hundred little things that caddies do to make their players lives easier. So, yeah, that, that's, that's a, that's a big transition as you say. And, and I can totally understand with what you're saying and what notes ultimately told me that it takes a while to get past that.

Bones, you have a knack for being able to talk about the stuff that you see. And I think that's a gift. And what I mean by that is you'll, you'll pick up a nuance that a player and a caddy are going through because of your experience and then be able to relay that on the TV. Are you aware, is that something that just comes natural for you?

Was that kind of set? Were you told, hey, you know, let me just ask, how the hell do you do that so well? Thanks. You know, I think that certainly after 28 or nine years of listening to other people's conversations, be it other players and caddies, you have a knack for what certain things mean. And the great thing for me, and I'm sure for you, when you do it for Foxes, these microphones now that pick up the player caddy conversations, I'm able to ultimately hear those through my, through my headphones, if you will. And I can kind of pick apart what they're talking about, or maybe the, you know, the discussion they're having relative to wind or a club selection, and hopefully relay that to the, to the people watching at home. So that's fun for me. And, you know, I was carrying Rory last week at the British Open in his quest on Friday there at Port Rush to make the cut. And it was just fascinating, you know, listening to him, I think he got caught a little bit between clubs there on on 18 to a tough left hole location. And, and it's fun, you know, being able to talk about, you know, that high level situations those guys are in right there where there's a huge difference between no hitting that smooth seven or that hard hooky eight, and hopefully being able to relay that to the viewer.

Yeah, no, you do a great job of it. I got to I just got to ask one more thing. I'll tell you a quick story. My first event, the US Open at Chambers pay. I'm out on the back nine with Sergio Adam Scott and Dustin Johnson.

And I mean, it is a rock star group, great, hard golf course to walk almost impossible anyway. So we're out there and off we go. And I think they went to me seven or eight times the first day and five of those times my equipment didn't work.

And I got back to the hotel bones. And I had texts from my brother's like, dude, you're not saying anything. You're not talking. I'm like, Oh, man, that is so frustrating. Yeah, technical difficulties. Yeah, I hear you. When you're out there as a walker, you're a little bit out there on an island and you know, certainly if something goes wrong, it takes a little while for somebody to get out to you in a case like you're talking about. There are chambers but yet it's funny like that.

I had an incident earlier in my little career with NBC where Zinger asked me a question and I answered it, but it didn't come out on the air. But I tell you what, the folks that we work with doing what we do, it's incredible the amount of hours that go into certainly putting on shows like that and the hundreds of people they have in those television compounds. I'm always blown away, you know, by the amount of work and the intensity that it takes and that they do it as well as they do in terms of the folks behind the scenes. Yeah, Bones, the comment, it takes a village.

I mean, when I drove into the compound, I'm like, this is a whole city. And it's all based on, you know, everyone working together trying to put together a show that everybody can enjoy and make it look seamless and easy and whatever. It's impressive. Absolutely. My first term, you know, yours was obviously the US Open.

Mine was the British Open in 17. And to your point, when I got out of the van at the television compound my first day there, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And as you say, it's like a small little town and, and it just incredibly hard working people that have been doing it for years and years and incredibly good at what they do. Yeah, great stuff. Hey, Bones, one last thing. Give us I know you have two children, you have Emma, and you have Oliver, your wife, Jen, give us a little just a little update on how your family's doing. I know you live in Scottsdale now. And I know you're a good dad. And I know you're involved with the kids lives and juggling all that is not easy. But just just give us a little update on how everyone's everything's going.

Well, I appreciate you asking. Yeah, I'm very lucky. I've got a tremendous wife and two great kids, Oliver and Emma, who are 15 and 13.

And because it gets so kind of ugly hot in Scottsdale this time of year. Sometimes I take them on the road with me and we just came back from a three week trip to the Irish Scottish in the open championship. And, you know, you have great memories with your family on the road when you travel and at the Irish Open this year, this course called LaHinch in, in Ireland, it's, it's the surfing capital of the UK.

So I was out there, you know, working at LaHinch doing my thing and my kids were out there in wetsuits surfing and off the coast of Ireland, which is, you know, something I never thought that my kids would ever get a chance to do or certainly, you know, even existed. So little memories like that go a long way. And I'm really grateful for them. And it you know, frequent flyer miles can certainly come in handy in terms of, you know, moving your family around a little bit this time of year and spending some time with them. So I'm very grateful for them. And I'm grateful for, you know, for them to be able to spend some time with me sometimes when I'm away from home.

Yeah, hey, that's really cool. And I have frequent flyer miles. And if your kids aren't available, I'm always willing to go over to Ireland or something like that. See those places.

Really appreciate you jumping on. I know you're in. You're in Reno this week. So enjoy the mantra and that golf course.

That's a hell of a golf course to walk. And we'll be we'll be tuning in. But thanks for joining me. Jay, thanks so much for having me on.

Take care of yourself, man. I gotta tell you, I sat down, did this interview. And Pearly, it was like, nostalgic all over again. It was so fun. I can remember when Phil came down, amateur at ASU comes down, we're playing down at star pass, which was very sketchy TPC down in Tucson. So as an amateur, he's playing in that PGA event. He is a junior in college and just kicks everybody's ass.

Yeah. He wins the tournament. And what a funky golf course that was. Funky.

You're hitting over mountains, over rocks, blind spots, all over the place. But the fact of the matter is 156 of the best players in the world were out there playing and this kid who is a junior, I'd never heard of him. I think you had neither at the time and he just whipped everybody's ass.

But what is what is bigger to me? And we talked about this last week with Tony La Russa when Tony was on the passion that Tony had for baseball, the passion that Tony had for life. Just ran over me. Okay.

Same thing here. Bones, he says to me, after we do this interview, he probably wouldn't want me to say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. He goes, Jay, I've had jet lag.

I flew in from the British over, you know, I was over at Royal Portrush. He goes, I hope I wanted to sound passionate and I hope I didn't sound arrogant. And I said, but in the interview, he started. Yeah.

Yeah. I said, oh, my gosh, you're so gracious. First of all, saying that. And I didn't tell him I was gonna mention it, but I knew I'd mention it because it's just gonna endear him more to everybody. I said, it's all good, man.

It's all good. And your stories are fantastic. And let's just jump right in to the Keegan-Bradley story. The Ryder Cup and Medina. Before that, though, John, he says in the interview, all I wanted to do, I met him, he was carrying Cady in for Larry Mize, Scott Simpson, and some of those guys. And then he met Phil. Great players.

Yeah, for sure. The major champions, each one of them. And Bone says, all I wanted to do was Cady in the Ryder Cup. That's all I wanted. And he only carried in 11 of them. 11 straight. That's awesome. Absolutely awesome. But let's talk about what he says about Keegan-Bradley.

There's no way, unless we start relating to that story, that people can come to grips with what these players are going through during the Ryder Cup. Hell yeah. Yeah.

No money. You know, they're doing this for serious red, white and blue pride. Mm-hmm. And let's not kid ourselves.

They're compensated extremely well. So that's not the issue. But this is their time. And Keegan-Bradley blacks out? Yeah, when he said he blacks out of the first hole. I was there.

Again, as you know, I get to work those for NBC. And the crowd was going absolutely nuts. And I love the way he described Keegan's drive off the first hole. It was a monster. By the way, he didn't mention the second hole. And I think it was the second hole.

Keegan hit it 350, 360, some number up there that they're like, okay, what do we even do from here? I think he was so geeked out on the adrenaline that he had no idea what he was capable of. Yeah. And I think Phil had to be a very stabilizing influence there to say, dude, we're good, man.

Come on. But he's jacked up too. It's why I liked doing my little tiny part with NBC. I think it's why the players like it so much.

And again, it's a place where they're out of that comfort zone. I remember years ago, and I can't remember now if it was Oak Hill or Brookline, but Curtis Strange, who was a pick of Lanny Watkins in the Ryder Cup, walking down to the first tee. Now here's Curtis, multi-US Open winner and everything else. He's walking down there. Back to back, 88, 89.

Yeah. Must have been Oak Hill then, because that's where- It was Oak Hill because he had a disastrous finish with it in his match against Nick Faldo. Well, he did.

But my point is at the beginning of the tournament, here's a superstar, multiple major winner. And I'm telling you, I thought he wasn't going to make it to the first tee. He was so nervous.

He wouldn't bend his knees coming down this hill. And I'm like, what's going on? That's how nervous this guy was. And I watched some of these guys, Jay, they stayed nervous for 18 holes.

There was never a calm moment. It's interesting. Pavin talked to me when we were still friends, a whole nother show, when he said that he was overplaying in the belfry, rookie on the Ryder Cup, playing with Lanny in alternate shots. So Pavin's hitting it off the first tee. So he announced him from the United States. He said, he's so nervous. And I think I mentioned this in a previous show, but he's so nervous. He didn't think he could get his ball stay up on that tee. And he's only done that how many times? That almost sounds like one of my dreams where I could lose your bag, right? There's a wall behind my swing or something like that.

But these guys are kind of living it. But he did eventually tee it up and play some pretty good golf. Yeah, he did just fine.

He did just fine. Yeah, managing those nerves and things like that in the heat of the battle are just fantastic. So one of the things he mentioned too on that, as far as being a great caddy, was most important not to be afraid to disagree.

That's what I was just going to get to. One of my favorite parts of that interview. What is the most important thing that a caddy can do?

And give me an example. You and I had a terrific rapport, period. But we had an agreement on the golf course. So if I was feeling it, you were like, no problem. But there were several times, and you've told this story online before, we're not going to Reno. So you're gonna have to dig something else up out of your bucket of crapola over there. But it's crucially important.

And I mean, there has to be that respect between the player and the caddy where you go. All right. Yeah. And again, you and I had agreement, so we stuck with the agreement. And I didn't care how much I may have hated any given shot. If your body language, Tony, your voice was saying, I got this.

This is what I want to do. I said, yes. If there was an inkling, though, I can remember a chip out at Brown Deer in Wisconsin. You were playing really well. What's that short par four down the hill and second shots over the creek, over the 16. And you'd pulled the tee shot, unfortunately, over there.

Yeah, I had a little cabin over there I wanted to visit, because every year I went there, I hit it. I was just hoping you wouldn't say that. God, that used to piss me off. No kidding. So you're over there. And you know, Pearly, I'm going to chip this over here. And I was just like, Jay, we just know. Let's take a different club.

Let's chip that thing down and to get it out of there. Because we'd kind of gone through that before. And so there was those times to step up.

And I think I think what helped us was we had it agreed upon how we were going to handle situations. No question. I got to ask you one more thing before we get out of this segment.

Phil's brother. Yeah. Yeah.

Is he helping anything? You know, I got to get a guest to throw in the fire. Yeah. But here's here's here's the plan.

Here's the problem from my perspective. Phil had one of the all time great counties. He did. And anybody almost that's going to grab on the bag after that isn't going to be as good. Right.

I don't almost care hardly who it is because of the rapport they had. Yep. So, you know, I asked you is there's what's behind the scenes? And you said, you know what? I think they were it was just time done. Bones had what both knees replaced? Yes. So he was kind of done carrying the bag probably. Phil's ladder in his career. But I can't tell you how many times I see those guys in the golf course now. And that that next level of partnership, if you will, team play.

Boy, it just doesn't seem to get there. He loves his brother. His brother. No question. That's not what we're talking about. He loves his brother. Of course. But it's right.

Pearl. I mentioned this to him. They had what they're talking about now 25 years before anybody else. When you hear people like Spi say it's the team thinks a team thing.

Our team. Yep. Yeah.

You're right. Those guys lived it into Phil's credit. He gave bones a lot of credit for that way before it was popular. Yep. He really did.

Well, that's going to do it for the back nine. Man, that was fun. I really enjoyed that. We could do that more often. Yeah.

What a great one with bones. Hopefully get him back another time. He need by the way.

He's doing a great job commentating in my person. My my opinion too. That's going to do it for the back nine.

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Well, thanks for staying with us. We just finished 18 holes and we are headed to our favorite part of the day, the 19th hole. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm Jay here with my buddy John Perlis. We want to thank Mike Duffy.

He's our official 19th hole of the show. And don't forget, August 23rd, the Richmond Heights location, five to seven or later, we might do a little impromptu whack and chase. We're doing a whack and chase. We also got some games. We got some cool stuff we're going to do.

Do they need to bring their own wedges or are we going to have a- No, no, no, no, no. I got all that stuff for them. Okay.

Oh, no. We're good. We're going to have a... And, hey, girls, you're going to be involved in this, too. Absolutely. Got a few clubs for the girls.

All right. We got to run straight away to this whack and chase. This is a good episode. Meat, what do we have here?

Well, guys, the people can't get enough of it. Joe is back and is the next victim on whack and chase. Victim?

Victim he is. Joe, hey, thanks for joining us. Glad to join you guys. I have a serious question for you. Where are you from first, Joe? And then tell us what your question is.

Well, I'm right here in St. Louis. I've been playing golf for 50 years and all of a sudden I have a terrible affliction in my game. Uh-oh. What is it? What is it, Joe? It sounds like you need an ointment or something. I've seen doctors and psychiatrists and bartenders and you guys are my last folks.

That... You're in desperate straits. There's no question there. Well, I personally like the way you've run through the trained professionals, you know, doctors, psychiatrists. I like to know where we stand.

And bartenders. Yeah, that's very good. Very good. I've tried everything. I've been playing for 50 years and all of a sudden about 15 years ago, I acquired a serious affliction and I can't stop it. I got all the way down to about a six or seven handicap and now I'm up to 12. And it all happened on one day, 15 years ago, and I was standing on the fringe trying to do a little chip shot and an attorney behind me hit into me and I bladed the ball across the green. Did you sue? Did you sue?

Well, it was the worst feeling in my whole life. I almost killed a guy on the next hole that was trying to go down the fairway. And this attorney came up and he apologized to me. And I looked at him closely and I realized it was my ex-wife's divorce attorney. What's the statute of limitations on that? Cause I think you got a case.

I don't. I would like to sue him, but he's out of practice right now for obvious reasons. After all the money you made off of me, he retired, bought a golf course in the Bahamas. This guy absolutely killed me.

And every time I'm trying to chip the ball from five or six feet off the green, I bladed across the green thinking that there's an attorney on the next hole that's gonna scream, not four, but I object. This guy killed my game. He killed me. He ruined my life. And now I'm a 12 handicap. I'm seeking professional help.

Been through rehab twice. And nothing seems to care me. Can you guys please help me? Wait a second right now. We got technical difficulties. So Joe, we had some technical difficulties, but wow, right in the middle of your complete call out of desperation, the confidence you have in us is way over founded. So the first thing I need to ask you, are you up to date on your alimony payments? Yes, but I'm behind on my dues.

I wanted to pay the attorney hoping that I would get my stroke back. Oh man. Well, somehow you have a good sense of humor about it, but I'm pretty sure it's far deeper than a mechanical issue. I mean, this, this goes beyond the emotional side. This is right down in the pit of your soul. Yeah. Is your ex-wife still alive? I hope not. And the attorney's dead too.

I think that's the best we can hope for. What, what do you think would make you feel better, Joe? Well, first as Shakespeare said, we kill all the attorneys. Second of all, Jay and John, you got to help me stop yipping the ball across the green. Every time I draw back the club, I'm waiting for an attorney to yell for, and then I bladed across the green. Do I wear earmuffs? Do I start putting from the rough? What do I need to do to stop yipping the ball across the green?

I think you should only wear the earmuffs in July and August, you know, just to make sure you're sweating a little bit with, you know, if the, if the, if you're really concerned, if it's really happening, what you're doing is, what do you mean it's really happening? This poor guy is bearing his soul on radio here. It's really happening.

Well, it's the worst things ever happened to me. You talk about what's the name of your show? Dump and chase.

Whack and chase. That's what I did when I was single. Now that I'm remarried, I don't have to do that anymore.

I can't even breathe over here. Oh man. We need to give him a different thought though. I mean, this is seriously a psychology type of thing. So he's got that possibility of something popping in his head. As we know, you can only think of one thing at a time.

Right. So what should he be thinking? What should, when he gets up over every chip, knowing what's coming, right? In this, this, this years of alimony and hatred and, and, and, and hurt and pain and resentment, one of the all time great lines. What's the line, Joe, we got to come up and you can help us. What's the line that you would rather replace? Oh God, where's the, where's the attorney type of thing.

What's the line that you should replace in your head that would be synonymous with a smooth, flowy, solid chip? If my opponent would say, that's good, Joe, pick it up. Well, you know, one problem we've got here, obviously you went from a six to a 12. That means you're getting six more shots and you still can hit the golf ball. So most likely they're not going to give you any, any break on that.

They're not liking you as at a 12 is my guess. So Joe, does, does this thing come into play when you're in the rough or in a tight lie or both? Or just when it matters? It happens every single hole. If I miss the green, I roll off into the rough. I have to pull out a wedge and I have to lob this thing up there. And I'm looking over my shoulder, waiting for the judges to say, answer the question please.

You're behind on child support. I find you guilty. And then I bladed across the green. I think, I think something, Jay, how does this sound? I forgive you? Wow. Wow. I mean, that's a joke.

Could you do that? Are you, are you at that point in your life where you can say, I forgive you? Uh, no, I'm not.

Not even close. Let's get a new wedge. Okay. I think it's deeper than that. Come on, let's come up with a line. So that, that line is not going to work.

What's the line that will replace that other automatic response in his head? Well, the thought, the thought is what, what, what you're talking about. We've, we've done this before with the mental side of the game and everything. We've got to start thinking about where you want the ball to go and not how.

And the fact where you're, you're kind of thinking this, this whole thing is going to come in and you have like a flinch motion. We've, we've got to try. I don't think so, Jay. We've got years, we have years of bitterness and resentment here. We have to come up with, well, I think we've got to come up with some, some line that Joe, you know, I, I, I, I, I hate you and I'll never forgive you.

And then he hits the chip. Yeah. Okay. Instead of the forgiveness thing, let's just go. Hey, buddy, I'm out of money. I'm out of money. I think that you've got all my money. I like that better. I like that. My money.

Please take my golf club. You've got my money. You own me and then hit the chip.

I think that's what you should do. I think there's a little pace that you got my money. And I hit the chip by now, Joe, this is how we end all of our whack and chase segments. If we help you tell everyone, you know, send them Christmas, put it in your Christmas card, tell everyone, you know, if you still skull this ball across the screen, tell them we never met. All right. I promise.

I hope the next time I skull the ball across the green, it hits an attorney right in the head. I do too. Come on now. You got your new line. You got your new line. Get up there. You got all my money. You get up there. You ready to hit that chip. You got all my money. Know what chip you want to hit. Like Jay said, and then as you're swinging the chip, you got all my money and then just live with it and see, let us know how that works.

It's a great, there's a rhythm to it, Joe. Thanks for coming in. Thanks for the call. Thank you very much guys.

And absolutely you've been no help at all. Well, OMG. That was the whack and chase. That's what we've been building for right there. That was good.

Well, you know what? We're out of time. We are absolutely out of time.

You got all my money. We're out of everything. We're out of, we're out of brain cells. We're out of, we're out of laughter. I can't laugh anymore. Thanks for keeping us on track here.

Probably. Thanks for being with us, St. Louis. Thank you for listening and hit them straight, St. Louis. That was golf with Jay Delsing brought to you by Whitmore Country Club. Tune in next Sunday for more from Jay John and the other pros and experts from the golf world. In the meantime, you can find all of Jay's shows at 101espn.com, as well as at jdelsinggolf.com.