Golf With Jay Delsing - - Robert Price

25 years on the PGA Tour and a lifetime member of the PGA Tour and PGA of America, Jay Delsing brings you his perspective on one of the world's greatest games as a professional golfer and network broadcaster. It's the game that connects the pros and the average Joes brought to you by Whitmore Country Club.

Golf with Jay Delsing is now on 101 ESPN. With me is my buddy, longtime caddy, sometimes friend, Pearly. Good morning. What's happening?

Just got back from the Bahamas and anxious to talk to you about it. Me? Really? Did I throw that in there? Did I just throw that in there a little bit?

What's a vacation? You know the other thing? It was 78, sunny. Oh, hey, Brad.

I'm sorry if I'm a little off. I've been meditating. Emerald, emerald, emerald seas. Now he's meditating in the Bahamas.

Wasn't he just gone for a few weeks? Give me a break. Lot of conk soup and conk roll and... Conk in the head? Conk in the head. Well, we formatted a show like A Round of Golf.

The first segment is called On the Range. And got to give you our social media outlets because Pearly was all over social media when he was down in the Bahamas. The Twitter handle is at Jay Delsing.

Facebook is Golf with Jay Delsing and Jay Delsing Golf and LinkedIn is just Jay Delsing. And the Instagram is rocking because we don't know what it is. All right. This show today is really going to be fun. I got to tell you something. I just got to jump into this. I have been dying to tell the folks this.

One of the coolest experiences of my entire life happened to me today. We've mentioned the Williams family. Jim, Sr., Jimmy, Jr., and his wife, Shana. He's the young man who finished third in the Junior World Tournament in Orlando this past August with 16 percent heart capacity.

Okay. He was throwing up. He was sick.

They thought this folks thought it was nerves. He got back home. They live in Jackson, Missouri. And the doctor down there told him it was just the flu. And thank God the mom was on it and took him to Cardinal Glenn. Anyway.

Moms know. Jimmy Williams needs. He's 11 years old now. He was 10 when he competed.

He needs a new heart. Bernie Federko, besides being a Hall of Fame hockey player, can you be a double Hall of Fame person? Yes, you can be because he is. Okay. Well, he is. Yup.

No question. And I call him and tell him the story. And I said, can I please take your Stanley Cup ring to lunch and show his dad? And he's like, no problem.

Should have brought it with Bernie on it. I know. I know. Right. Well, he said. And that's the kind of guy. He said, I'd love to do it.

I'm too busy right now, but we'll get I'd love to see them. Right. So I take it down there.

We are sitting having lunch today. I took a little video of it. Jimmy opened the box. He was like, what? I mean, just the exuberance of a young guy's face, the whole thing.

Okay. He's holding this ring. He's reading the inscriptions. He's like, how many diamonds is that?

This thing is heavy. All of the things that you'd expect 11 year old to say. And while we're doing this, his dad's phone ring phone rings and he and I are talking and we're sitting next together in the booth and we've ordered our lunch and everything.

We're just hanging golf talking everything life. And we hear his dad say, just tell me what to do. And I look over at him and young Jimmy says to Dad, Dad, is this the call? Yeah. And his dad shakes his head.

Yes. And he looked. Jimmy hits me in the arm and says, I'm getting a new heart.

Wow. And his dad says tomorrow at noon. And then he gets up because he's emotional.

Sure. He's key. Also, we're in a restaurant. He's struggling to hear. And so for the next five minutes, I'm with this 11 year old and like, he's like, Can you believe I'm getting a heart? I'm like, I want to start bawling right now.

The chills that I'm feeling the bottom line is they have found 100% match for this young guy. Dad comes back, tells us the story. And he goes, It's unbelievable because my son has a really rare blood type. And I said, Really? And he goes, Yeah, it's called B positive.

And I said, That sounds just like your son's attitude. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.

And their motto. So here's the deal. Tomorrow, this is going to be where we are airing this up. What is going to throw this out there? We are airing this Wednesday night.

He is getting a heart transplant at about somewhere around 12 o'clock tomorrow at Cardinal Glennon. It happens that fast. Jeez.

And I got nothing else. Yeah. Well, that had to feel surreal.

That's that's like one of those stinky during the week movies and that kind of stuff. But this is this is real. It absolutely was. So I just feel so fortunate. Williams family. Best of luck.

Thoughts and prayers are with you and the doctors that are going to be doing this great, you know, sort of surgery. And we will keep all the listeners up to speed on that. All right. So Pearl, Mr. Bahamas, tell us a little bit about that story.

Right. No, we had a great time down there. So first of all, I got to ask you, Yeah, how beat up was the island? How bad did it look from? Nothing.

Zero in Nassau there. You know, and we knew that going down because we'd called our buddy ahead of time, by the way, Alberto Valenzuela. Great guy from the College of UCLA. Great guy. Great family. Great kids.

Unbelievable stories within the stories of which I'm very much hoping we get on your show at some point. His two kids, his world class kids across the board, both big time golfers. First, his daughter is, was she the number one female ranked amateur? She's got a scholarship to Stanford. I know that. Well, she's done at Stanford now and she's a professional and she got her card.

You're right. So she's out there and Alberto Caddy for so we got to hear some of that through. They got a couple of funny stories. Caddy tales.

I'll tell you what exactly he needs to be because he's Caddy for quite a bit. And he just told one that was just so much fun and you and I can completely relate to. And Sam, his son, I met him for about a day before him and his mom took off and went to play in an AJGA. They flew out to Vegas and playing that kind of stuff. But anyway, Alberto had tickets for us to the Tigers hero event down there. Just spectacular. Just a whole different experience.

Really good golf course, incredibly well manicured. And Jay was like a private tournament, right? We were, I don't know, there might've been a couple of times when you're three or four deep, but I would say 99.9% of the time you're one deep. You're sitting there and patting tiger on the back. I see.

I saw you on TV. Yeah, exactly. It looked like you were almost standing like you were shaking hands with Henrik Stenson. So he hits this.

Unbelievably beautiful. Uh, four iron right at the hole on the par three. And I said, that's a frozen rope. And my wife looks at me like, what's a frozen rope? I said, see how straight that ball went and exactly where I aimed it.

That's what they call a frozen rope. Uh, you know, Jay, you could tell, and I know you can relate to this and I wasn't out there near as much as you. If you would have walked out there first round and watched guys swing, no doubt two, two names would have popped top of head. Stenson looks so good on the range.

It was unbelievable. Plus he actually looked calm. He doesn't normally, he always looks a little bit, he's a little twitchy. And tiger, I just, I kept saying to Alberto, I said, what's going on? This guy's lost weight. It looks like his flexibility's up. His, not that he needed it, but he needed it for his frame, his new game and that kind of stuff. But he just had kind of a, of a, of a dynamic like you and I talk about all the time in his swing that was tiger-esque of old.

Now granted he's not 22 years old anymore, but it just had a different pop. He was moving the ball both ways out there, not swinging hard. And it was going a long way, which is always a good sign. You and I always talk about that, you know, a seven to one ratio.

You put 1% of 1% of the effort in that ball just takes off like a rocket because all your mechanics are right online. So it was just, it was fun. Given the conditions and stuff, just the way they set that place up. They keep it kind of exclusive.

I don't know that they're looking for, you know, a half million people to come out there. And so we just rode Alberto's coattails into that. Wherever you could. The food was unbelievable. The golf was unbelievable. And also the drama was unbelievable. Both in the ending of the tournament and the Mr. Patrick Reed playing around in the sandbox.

Yeah, let's talk about that for a minute. You know, I forgot, I neglected to mention Robert Price, who we got an interview with today, who is the owner of Elite Minds LLC. Really super, really super cool, chill guy who has created a really cool program. You did a great job in the interview. I'm looking forward to everybody getting to hear it.

Yeah, thanks. It's going to be, it's going to be fun. But so go back, going back to the Patrick Reed thing. Yeah, I almost hate to it. It just, we had heard a little bit about it. Then we go... Did you see it? No, I did not stand there and watch it. But obviously watched it on the news later that night and stuff. And, you know, kind of listened to the scuttlebutt. And both Alberto and I are sitting there looking at each other going like, they might not let him play on the President's Cup.

He might not get to do stuff anymore. I mean, it just made my heart sink. Whether you like Patrick Reed or you don't like Patrick Reed is almost, to me, doesn't matter in this.

It just, it was so blatant. And, you know... Jon, we have played our entire lives with not touching the bunker. Now, this is not a normal, this is not... It's a waste area. It's a waste area. So you're actually allowed to ground your club. But what was so interesting to me watching this thing, it almost looked like he shoveled sand on his backswing. Twice, because it took two shovel loads to get a shot.

Clearing the path. I mean, I just don't understand that. There's so many things wrong with it. And then the other players are kind of, this is almost like our politics, right? We're all pretending it didn't really happen.

And we're not really telling only half of the truth and that kind of stuff. You know what the other one nobody brings up? You know what those caddies thought. You know, we're talking about caddy tales and the different caddy guys and that kind of stuff. Now, what does the caddy even do in that situation? Other than, you know, oh, look at a bird just flew by. Or, oh, I got to scratch my knee.

If it hadn't, if it had only happened once, I'd say the caddy could have been, he could have been looking at his yardage book on a practice, you know. But when you're taking the club back... But when he had to dust the sand off his shoe...

When the sand would fly in the eye. Yeah, right. I just, man, I am, here's my take on this, Pearl.

I'd love to hear yours. The game's got to sort this out. We have a great game. It polices itself. It's got to sort itself out. If this guy is this way with all drama around him, he's just a drama-filled dude.

And his parents escorted off the course in Augusta when he was winning. Just drama. That's what he does. He's backed it up with good play. If this play of his starts going a little south, this is not going to work.

No, it's not going to work, but it has been working for him for a long time. I mean, I don't like the hearsay stuff, but there's so many people, what they talked about when he was in college and how his teammates had so many issues with him. I mean, it's not like there's been too many lulls in between the drama. It's just unfortunate, and somewhere along the line, something's got to happen. And you want the guy, from a human standpoint, to get it, because he doesn't get it. And then now, all of a sudden, the rest of his teammates, like any time people do something wrong, everybody else has to stand up there and swallow and go, yeah, he's our teammate, and he's a great guy. And you all know, they're all thinking the same dang thing. Well, it's uncomfortable.

It's uncomfortable, and then people are not... That's an understatement. That's where you need someone to step up and address it. Tiger did it, oh, okay.

The best you can possibly do. But I mean, the media is- Plus coming from Tiger. Right. There's a guy that did put it all out there and move on. So at some point, Patrick's going to have to do that.

That's just the way the world works. I think that's right. Now, whether it has to be standing in front of everybody or simply looking in the mirror in a private moment, someday figuring this out and just change things, but it needs to happen. Pearl, that's going to wrap up the On The Range segment. Come back. We've got this Robert Price interview on the front and back nines. It's Golf with Jay Delcine.

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Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. Jay and John are here and we are going to the front nine. Probably we have had a great title sponsor this year with Whitmore.

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You're in Savannah, Georgia. You're helping people perform, reach peak performance and try to maximize their potential in their life. Just tell us a little bit about your story.

Sure. I mean, I can always start with when I was in high school, right? I mean, I played sports all the way growing up and just knew, as my friends would even tell you, literally in high school that I was going to be working with athletics and athletes around the mental side of sport. And I often share with people that I played football and ran track and played basketball in high school. And my football coach, being from Ohio, you know, one of the best football states in the country, they told me at that time that I needed to find another sport while I was in high school. And so I decided, obviously, I'd run track because I didn't know what else to do. And I learned through some of those experiences, a 300 intermediate hurdle or that there is something about the mental aspect of sport that drove me to be really successful at that. And then figure out how to take those same things, those same drives and figure out how could I actually learn more about it. And essentially, just from that understanding, you know, my whole desire growing up was go to school and look at being a psychologist or look at being a counselor or a therapist in some form or fashion.

And that's exactly what I ended up doing. I played football at the University of Pittsburgh for two seasons and then I ended up transferring to Hampton University. And from there, when I graduated, I was looking at graduate programs with sports psychology and came across University of Maryland. And it was an awesome experience. And just literally through that time, I started to understand that there is a huge gap for people, specifically for people who really want to go from good to great.

And all that gap really happens is because there's not enough deliberate or intentional training around the mental side of sport and the mental side that they need to work on. And so I just started kind of going down that quest and, I mean, literally 19 years ago, I had founded this business, Elite Minds LLC, when I was in graduate school at Maryland and kind of continued to rock and roll from there and realized I wanted to get a license and counseling and I went to Johns Hopkins University there in Baltimore to do that. Really just continued to move along from there and now I'm here in Savannah, Georgia, because I came to work about six years ago now with our Army and the U.S. Army and work on the performance psychology side of things here. And so now just having a private practice, working with elite athletes for the last 19 years, I've created the Mental Playbook. And so that's just a little snapshot on how I got to this particular point. And I really love working with golfers. It's a pretty cool space to be in. Oh, man, what a cool story.

And you went to Johns Hopkins, man, some really heavy universities there. Tell us just a little bit before we get in, because I really want to develop this mental playbook idea for our listeners, but tell us a little bit about what you did with the Army, because I really think they'll find that interesting. And Robert, talk a little bit too, if you don't mind, about how this overlaps, not only in the golf and sport, but in our lives.

Right. Well, the work that I did in the Army was about resilience and creating peak performers. And anyone that serves our country and any of the military branches absolutely understand the desire for making sure that you are performing when it's necessary at the most optimal level. And so the Army was willing to kind of create a program that utilizes sports psychology principles and techniques for their servicemen. And I was able to kind of work with them around some of the things that we were actually doing in the mental playbook, but really getting soldiers to really understand the importance of goal setting, or maybe it's imagery or visualization, maybe it's even meditation, but all of these different mental skills that are teachable, you can actually teach those so that way they can perform at their best when stress is available. And so that was a little bit of that work that we did in the Army. And what that looks like, even on the overlapping side, is all of these skills, these mental skills, essentially that I teach and work with people around, they're great for athletics, right?

You can use them in the lens of through your sport. We know specifically that all of these skills absolutely have life consequences or life successes. And so, I mean, everybody that's listening would love to be able to set appropriate goals that meet and manage their expectations. And everybody needs to know how to utilize visualization to really get extra practice at whatever the task or craft is that they do. And so, I mean, those are just a couple of skills, right, that people use in athletics that absolutely translate across over to whatever field of endeavor that that they're in. So the beautiful thing with these skills, I believe, especially on the man side, is that it's easy for me to teach it through a lens of sport so that they can kind of use those things in other areas of their lives as well. Yeah. Isn't it amazing, Robert, when you run into either an athlete or maybe it's a marksman for the Army, whoever, and they have incorporated some of these things naturally, almost on their own.

Absolutely. You see that often. And that's why I think the field in and of itself continues to need, you know, just education around that. And I always talk to that as those that you see, and you've seen this in your career as a golfer as well, is that a lot of the folks believe that they're doing the mental work. But the reality of it is, is that they're just doing it by chance. And so what we're looking for is that when we're deliberate about what we do and intentional that we can actually work on these skills and not leave it up to chance.

And so that's that's the huge piece. A lot of times when I'm working with athletes, usually it comes to that. The rubber meets the road there because I'm saying, so you have some of this stuff and they're like, yeah, I do it all the time. And I'm like, how do you do it?

And they're like, I don't know. I just do it. And I'm like, well, that's just leaving it up to chance, because when times of stress or pressure come, you don't really know how to rely on these skills.

They're not second nature for you. And so that's one of the pieces that when I really work with people, we start to understand that and really get them to understand how they think and the harsh realities of how they think. Yeah, man, that's fantastic. OK, so you're in the golf space and it's it's one of the things that I've just tried to, excuse me, show folks and talk to our listeners about is how some of these principles from some of the great athletes and some of the great guests like yourself that we've got on the show, how this stuff intersects and golf is right smack dab in the middle of, oh, man, so much of this with with how to properly use and prepare your mind. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, golfers, they know themselves, you know, I often ask folks when they are interested in working with me, I always ask them, I mean, so really what percentage of their golf game is mental?

And there's always a percentage, you know, whether it's 10 or 100. Even as a young lady who's a college division, one college golfer told me two days ago, she's like, it's actually 100 percent of my golf game. I'm like, are you working on it? She's like, how would I do that? And I started sharing with her. She's like, man, I need to do this more often. Exactly. So there's all those intersections.

But when we when we're not deliberately working on whatever that percentage is, then, you know, we're spending a lot of time or running, you know, spending a lot of time wasting the talent that we actually have to really meet the expectations that we have for ourselves when we're out there. Let's get a wrap up the front nine. Come back. John and I are here. We are going to wrap up this Robert Price interview on the back nine.

This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I've got Cindy Vickers here this morning. Cindy, we are on our segment.

This is the leading edge segment. And you are helping us lower our physical handicap. Thanks for being with me. Well, I'm not yet.

I mean, you have to actually come into the gym or I have to come to your house or something so I can do. Right. That's what we're. So I'm so glad you said that.

So if you want to reach out to Cindy three one four three two three two zero zero four. But let's go over some do's and don'ts. I mean, let's say you do get the nerve up to go to the gym and you walk in there and you're you know, some people you can tell they're just lost. Well, people like you're intimidated to come. I am too.

Like for the first time that you do anything that like just bring a sense of humor. That's the only thing you need to bring to the gym. So just back to like why you should be there. So, again, Titleist does like this. It's just a crazy amount of research. And one thing that we know from their research is that the number one swing fault is loss of posture. OK, so that's going to be like the most scientific thing I say. The biggest reason people lose their posture is because they don't have this adequate core strength. The core is not your abs. It is your abs, but it's not only your abs. It's abs and glutes. Can't emphasize that enough.

So how do. So there's ways to take a look at the strength. There's ways to see if your brain is actually activating your glute. And we talked about that. Yeah, that was just too funny. Right. Tiger said his glutes were deactivating.

But that's a very, very legit thing. So if to this, one of the things would happen is I really want to assess, does your brain had to tell your glutes to turn on? Because until that happens, then there's no point in pretending we're doing exercises to work glutes. Same thing with abs. And Cindy, don't you feel like people go strength and they go straight to try to let you know, make their biceps or, you know, their upper body. And it's not that that's not good, but it's not nearly as important, especially knowing that their biggest fault is coming out of your posture and your golf swing.

Yeah. So two examples of people who took this very seriously. And there was I don't want to say fault, but I again, this is the title as they looked at these two golfers and found that there was a problem with really this, you know, glute work and glute activation.

And when they discovered it, when they fix it, it it dramatically improved their game. And here's the two names, Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy. Yeah, we talked about Rory a little while ago when he was they had him on camera and we were talking about we've talked about how an inch is such a mile in golf, but they showed on the camera where he moved like, what, three quarters of an inch or something. And it made all the difference in the world with him. Yeah. And he so now going back to flexibility, his wasn't a such a problem with inflexibility.

He over-rotated his pelvis. So the the compensation was they had to really work on more glute strength. So.

All right. So all of that can be judged at the gym. And we can talk about it forever here, but it just gets all you know, just a lot for your brain to, you know, get wrapped around.

But I do want to give you one kind of crazy statistic. And I just actually learned this. One of this is thousands of golfers that were were evaluated with this. And it's about gluten leg strength. And here was the exercise that they did.

So they got into a lunch stance, right? You know, what a lunch stance is where you've got one foot in front and one in back and they had to hold dumbbells in their hand and do eight lunges. But this is the weight that they have to use. It's one hundred and fifty percent of your weight. And they said, if you can do this, then you're strong enough to play golf. So if you weighed 200 pounds, they count your body weight.

So. That's 200 pounds. And then for the other 50 percent, you take half of your body weight. So that's 100 pounds. And now you have that means you have to have 250 pound dumbbells. So you have to hold 200 pounds. You have to hold 250 pound dumbbells and do eight lunges. You probably do three. Then you are in according to TVI, then you're strong enough. So even if you didn't measure up to that, it gives you a little bit of a measurement to go by. But let's suppose that you do go to the gym. So I have a couple do's and don'ts.

They're just really, really basic. The first one is do not put a golf club or a pole or anything else behind your neck. Hold it on your neck and start rotating around to see this on a regular basis.

I love the fact that you're saying that. Please don't do that. Don't do that. This is horrible for your cervical spine and a variety of other things. I would say the same thing about doing a back squat. So that is when you put that barbell like, you know, sort of on your shoulders unless you are an elite athlete.

That's super, super extreme for folks. Most people cannot actually for one thing, they really can't get their their hands back rotated enough to hold on to the bar properly. So now again, right in their neck, they're pushing their head forward. And then I mean, it just goes down the chain of what's going on with their lower back. So that needs to be evaluated.

Another just give you one more don't. Somebody needs to look at what your posture is as you just do a forward fold. So something like you could do it like a straight leg deadlift or if there's kettlebell stuff that you do.

But you've got to watch this posture because as soon as your low back starts to go into flexion, that means it starts around like going up at all. You're out. You have to stop there. So you have to either only go to the point where you don't do that or you have to just. It's really more of a mind game practicing sort of pushing your tailbone back and your chest forward to stop that from happening.

Because that's just how you get hurt. Cindy Vickers. Reach out to her at three one four three two three two zero zero four. After twenty five years on the PGA Tour, Jay Delsing takes you behind the scenes from the eyes of a pro. Now back to more golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. The back nine is brought to you by St. Louis Bank. Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. Jay and John are here and we are on the back nine.

Let's go right to that Robert Price interview and and wrap that up. Let's talk a little bit about your mental playbook and what I really love about the playbook. What I know of it anyway is that it really helps create a roadmap and a plan for people to kind of jump on and follow. Absolutely. I mean, the main piece when I'm working with someone is the first piece I always share with someone is about expectations.

Right. So if you are a competitive golfer and you really enjoy doing this sport and you want to get better at it, I always say, well, well, how do we know we're getting better? What does that look like? And really start to have people give me the right expectations of their golf game. And I typically go through greens in regulation because it's usually a nice, easy space to to kind of talk with somebody around. And if they think about it, so I ask them and I say, well, how many greens regulations should you should you have it around? And they'll tell me some ridiculous number like 16, 17. Wow.

OK, awesome. Well, do you recognize or do you know that the professional golfers that you're watching on TV, that they're hitting, I don't know, 65 percent of the greens in regulation on average throughout the tour. And they're like, well, that's only 12 greens in regulation for the top guys that do this every day, all day as their job.

So if you're a 10 to 15 handicap or if you're a 15 to 20 handicap or even a five to 10 handicapper, then those greens in regulation comparative to those who do this is a lot less. Right. So then that is one way that we start grounding our understanding of the expectation that we have on our own golf game. So far, expectations are out of whack.

Right. Then we get frustrated very quickly. We don't like what we're doing very well.

We get really, really angry when we miss a shot or miss a green. And we think that we should be doing that more often. And it also helps place a number around what we do.

I'm a big science person, so I'm into numbers and people to understand, you know, that's how we know and recognize whether or not we're getting better or not. So that's just one little aspect within the playbook. But we do walk you through how to actually obtain the champion mindset that people hear all the time.

And how do you go about doing that? It's really a nice little system of being able to kind of teach these mental skills in a way that allows somebody to really layer those things on each other kind of step by step. So it's very hands on and allows for a really good approach as we do this thing. Yeah, absolutely.

I love that. And Robert, you know, the great majority of our listeners have never played PGA Tour golf, never will. But that does not mean that they can't benefit from your program. Absolutely not. I mean, what I've noticed, Jay, really is the golfer that I call it just our recreational golfer.

Right. I have a pretty, pretty good recent story. There's a guy that I work with. His name is Dr. Bob. And he's he's really good at his craft. I mean, he's a he's a surgeon and he does emergency surgery. So he's in the E.R. often. And he chatted with me not too long ago about wanting to get his handicap down.

Right. So we really talked about that. And he wanted to be a single digit handicapper.

He started at twelve, twelve one when we started and I got an email and said, man, I'm already at nine, eight. And it was amazing because in those three months of time that we've been working, he started to understand that it's really just kind of helping him get organized in a way that now he's able to really go out and attack around the golf, even in the short amount of time, because he doesn't have that practice time that we would love to have. But how do you actually maximize that time? So that way, when you're actually out there doing what it is that you do, you can actually benefit and maximize your talent that you have.

So that's one of the cool stories that I have most recently. But it's really the you know, this program is not just for the elite. I mean, one of the cool things is that it's really for, I would say, any golfer that has any percentage wanting to get a little bit better. And we've seen great, great results with folks who have gone through the playbook. Yeah. So, Robert, my whole goal with this show is to try to grow the game and enhance the game and let people enjoy it. Know how much fun it is, you know, how great it's been for me. And when you think about some of the amazing people in this world that do great things in their business and everything, and they go on the golf course, they don't really relate some of the principles in their work to the way they approach their golf game.

And they really can, can't they? Absolutely. A lot of times it's, you know, one of the things that I found, I guess a result of working through this in the right mindset is that people leave playing more golf, actually. So when you're confident in what you do, you get lower scores, then you become a little bit more consistent at what you're doing. And that increases your enjoyment level when you're out there. And then when you're enjoying what you do, it makes you want to play more golf. So all those intersects actually happen because now, again, those expectations that you have when you go out there, you now know what they are. You can now start utilizing the things that the successful things that you've done in business, maybe on the golf course, and you know, make sure that your golf game looks appropriate, right? And that's bang for your buck when you're out there.

Yeah, no kidding. And it's just, I've been amazed at watching people that are so disciplined in some of the other parts of their life and their business lives and things like that. And they get on the golf course, and it's kind of a free for all.

And there's so much chaos and lack of order in the way they're trying to do things. And your mental playbook, you know, discusses and addresses that thing, those kind of things in particular. Yeah, you know, it's just getting people to have understanding what that perfect round of golf looks like for them, you know. And so once we figure out what that looks like, then we can start actually accessing and really looking at what success looks like, what failure looks like, how do we see those things. And so I think sometimes when people are successful in the business world or in a profession, and then they bring that into a sport, I think sometimes they themselves start to realize is that their success in whatever it was that they were doing was, some of that was left up to chance.

It's pretty amazing, even speaking back to Dr. Bob there, he is trained at West Point and is a flight surgeon and retired. And even in his wonderful training, when he started to realize, he was like, man, I just kind of just did those things and kind of left them up to chance, is kind of the terminology that he used. And once you start to realize that I'm actually going to make a deliberate and intentional action on these things, whether they're on the golf course or in my work, I start to see great successes and great leaps really of those success and that success is more consistent over time. And that's, you know, ultimately what people are looking for in their professional life and also on the golf course is that consistency that leads to greatness.

Yeah, absolutely. So, Robert, we're looking at some of the clients, you've got folks in the NFL, you've got golfers, you've got, as we've mentioned, the Army. Your sweet spot, though, is golf.

You love golf and the Mental Playbook is designed for golf. Tell us how people can find you. Tell us how people can reach out to you. Chat, you're an engaging person and you love people I can tell and you'd love to help them. Sure. The easiest way is really to find me on my website, and that's at www.EliteMindsLLC.com and I'm on all the social marketing platforms, Instagram at Elite Minds LLC.

I'm on Twitter at Elite Minds, I'm on Facebook again as well at Elite Minds LLC. I mean, those are obviously the quickest, easiest ways for someone to find me and kind of at least start to engage in a conversation to make sure that we're a good fit for them and kind of really be able to start walking through this playbook and allowing them to really decrease their scores, which is awesome. But more importantly, have a lot more fun out there while they're doing what they're doing and then want to play more golf because ultimately at the end of the day, I want people out in the golf course enjoying what they do and playing it more often. Yeah, absolutely.

And man, this time is just flying by. I really appreciate you being on the show. We got to do this again and we can get some updates on Elite Minds and how it's going for you and how some of your students are doing because it's always fun for us to kind of track people.

Just like in your mental playbook, we want to know where we start so we can measure where we're going and it's always fun to watch kids go through the, you know, say the Corn Fairy Tour and get themselves out on the PGA Tour. Absolutely. I'm looking forward to it. I have a few going on here in the next week, so we'll see how they do.

All right. So, Jon, one of the things that sticks out in my mind, first of all, this guy had such a calmness about him that was really interesting. And when I prepped for the interview, the stuff he did with the U.S. Army really interested me. I liked everything about it, but I'm into the sports psychology.

I'm into the whole kind of counseling thing. And you know me, I'm into the whole having a plan thing. And he covered all of those bases.

I'm with you. It intrigued me, his background with the Army. And it was all surprising, you know, and then I went to golf. I'm thinking, I think it would have been pretty cool to stay in the Army or do some of that stuff, you know, to keep working with the armed forces as well. Maybe he does, but obviously his focus is golf now.

Yeah. And you know what I thought was neat is this mental, I think he calls it the mental playbook. I think the fact that he has designed something for you to hang on to as you're going through these various steps, I think that's critical.

I haven't seen it and I need to take a look at it. I just wonder how it's tailored to different personalities. But again, I think that structure is important. Structure is important whether you're in business. I think there's structure in our lives and certainly to have some structure in golf. And you know, he was, it seemed like his main wall he had to kind of break down is to get people to realize that you do need that, stick with that for a while.

This isn't kind of a come on and come off it again. It's a certain level of intensity that is going to get you to that level. And sticking within the framework of some structure or a plan is the way to do it. But that's not an easy thing to do.

No, it's not an easy thing to do. And go to elitemindllc.com and just go on there and just play with this website. It's really interesting. He talks about from self-talk and imagery, all of these things you and I have covered before, we know how important they are. I can remember when I first started working with Bob Rotella, who I got a great interview with, and he was like, how's yourself talking? Oh, it's great. And about two weeks later, I'm like, my self-talk is terrible. And that's part of the piece that I liked.

Because I wasn't even aware of it. Part of the piece that I liked with Robert is, part of it's the awareness. It's just a huge piece.

And he even said in that one part, a lot of people think they've got this. Well, they've got bits and pieces and little parts of it. But it's kind of like the puzzle thing. If you're missing a bunch of parts, well, then you didn't complete your puzzle. It's not a completed piece of work.

And that's a major piece. The awareness. You and I have had this conversation, just life stuff before. The awareness can also be scary. It can be intimidating. But by the same token, it's a path to get something special that you want. And without it, you're not going to get it. Well, you're not going to get any insights.

You're not going to get any sense for what the hell you're doing. But what was interesting to me, what I talked to him a little bit about, was there are certain people, athletes, and we're talking sports right now, but it's in every business, where they do this to a different level naturally. And their success just roars because of it. Well, I love that piece relative to awareness, where he's talking about how many greens do the guys hit on tour. You and I have had this conversation.

I talk to almost everybody every time after a round or during a round. How many greens do these guys hit in regulation? And that's what he talked about. And it's 12-13.

I think the leader every year is 13.5 or something like that. And people just can't fathom that. Well, it goes right back to what's important. It's a short game. It's those little pieces.

It's not always the fanciest stuff. Bottom line is, from my perspective, when Tiger was the best in the world, he was the best in the world in a short game. And it pretty much follows the best player in the world around. Well, Robert Price, thanks for joining the show. That's going to wrap up the Back Nine. This is Golf with Jay Delsing.

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What does that mean? I'm just saying. Aaron is with us now for Whackin' Chase. Aaron, how you doing? I'm doing good, guys. Hey, it's Aaron from Scranton, Pennsylvania.

How are you guys? Pennsylvania? Put another tack up on the map. I think that's seven states now we've got covered, baby. I got it at 16, but that's okay. We'll let somebody else count.

That wasn't very good accounting at this. Aaron, thanks so much for calling in. Hey, not a problem. Hey, I've got a question for you guys. You know, we've been seeing so much about slow play, and like a lot of people, you know, I kind of lie to my wife about how long golf rounds take.

You know, because I kind of like to have a big one. You tell her it takes four and a half hours. You know, it's supposed to take three and a half, right? And so you get up there on the tee and you know everybody, you know, we got John over here who's lined up for his fifth putt on the third hole. And, you know, first off, how do you guys address slow play at your own home country clubs? Well, now, wait a second. Do you need time to think about that, or are we going to have to ask him a second question? Because that's a good topic we should just maybe roll on a little bit here. Slow play.

Yeah, for sure. Slow play is... The scourge.

It is. It's one of those things that, personally, I can't stand the most. If it's a guy that I know pretty well, Aaron, I'll... the group will go up to him and say, you got to go faster. And he's like, I'm going as fast as I can. It's like, you're not ready to play when it's your turn. You're dilly dally and you're playing with your towel, you're doing something else. You know, someone's over there lining up their putt.

You need to be lining up your putt, too, so that you don't have to be so taken aback by the time it's your turn to go. Yeah, because you're cutting into Aaron's beer time. That's the bottom line here, right? Well, that's what we're trying to solve, right?

How to get Aaron more beer time. And that's my exact problem. You know, because my wife, she thinks four and a half hours I'm supposed to be home.

And, you know, I'm going to be doing three and a half. Well, you know, sometimes your car runs out of gas. Well, I've had that problem, too. Have you used that?

I'm sure there's a few... what are a few other excuses you've used on why you were going to be late? Are some of the best. What are the best?

What's your go-to, Aaron? Oh, I mean, I've had an arm cut off. I've had 15 grand moles pass away. I think, frankly, I've got a really good one. I think she knows I'm lying to her, though. Oh, I don't think she knows. No, not with the arm cut off and 15 grand moles. No, there's arms regenerating all the time.

That's exactly right. That's what I keep telling her. Hey, Todd, I do have a serious question for you guys, though.

Okay, let her rip. You know, with the idea of the Pro Tour and how things, as far as speed of play goes, is there any movement, or do you guys think there's any movement on letting them use rangefinders? That's a great question.

We've talked about this I don't know how many times now. They let them use rangefinders in the amateur levels. The USGA has signed off. Aaron, I think within the next five years they'll be approved for the PGA Tour.

It just doesn't make any sense not to. We can use them in the practice rounds. We can use them in the pro-ams. That doesn't make any sense not to be able to use them. So I really think they will, and I really think that'll help speed up play.

Even if you can just pick up a minute or two a group, it makes a huge difference. What the heck is a caddy going to do? Who's going to stand by here, and I know what's going to happen. I'll tell you exactly what's going to happen. They're going to be obsolete.

We're going to have robots out there. No, they're going to steal a caddy, and they're going to say, we're just going to cut your Achilles tendon. No, cut your pay in half. Cut the pay? Yeah, exactly.

Cut the feedback. Well, the real trick, though, is I'm trying to become a caddy on Pro Tour, but I have no idea what I'm doing. So I figured if I had a green book and a gun, I could pretty well figure it out. Yeah, and then you have those things, and they have those things, and now you're not going to get paid. You're going to tote around. It's going to be like back in the college days when we'd caddy for Mrs. Haversham, and she would pay $7.50, and I'd carry doubles for $15, and they'd give me like a quarter for a tip. That's what it's going to be like, and Kuchar next time is going to pay that Hispanic caddy down in Mexico. Instead of paying him $2,000, you're going to want to pay him $950. That's true.

Unbelievable. Okay, Aaron, we love those questions, but give Jay a golf question relative to your game, your swing, your approach, something that might stump him that you need to know. Sure, so I'm about an eight handicap, and I have at least two or three duffs around the green, and the guys that I play with locally who are a lot better, they talk about where they put the ball at.

They also talk about the concept of bounce. What's your traditional setup when it comes to around the green and stopping from doing that little dig into the ground, your club stops, and it goes two feet? Okay, Jay's up off his seat pacing back and forth trying to figure out how in the heck he's going to answer that question, so here's how we do this.

I'm going to ask you a couple questions that will give him more insight to you so that he can better give you the answer that you need. So my first question is, would you rather be fishing, hunting, or golfing if you had a choice of what you're going to do as your priority? Well, if I'm on a golf show, I'm going to say golfing, but in real life, I'm probably going to say fishing. Fishing, so I'm a fisherman too. What do you like to fish for, Aaron?

Croppy, bass, anything that involves a move and lure? Absolutely, a little Midwest guy. I love that right there.

Okay, awesome. I got to dig up one more because he's still pacing. He doesn't quite have the answer that he's looking for. What's the funniest thing you've ever seen on a golf course? Funniest thing that I've ever seen on a golf course was my best friend hitting down the sand trap, me betting my buddy a dollar that he wouldn't be on the green. He ends up scolding it, hitting me in the shoulder, the ball drops on the green, and I owe my buddy a dollar. And that's not a joke. That happened. I was more upset about owing him a dollar than I was about getting him. Than that buzz on his shoulder. Your full speed hit.

That's awesome, that's awesome. One more thing so Jake can answer that question. Give us a little bit about, are you a big guy, are you a little guy, are you athletic? Obviously you're low handicap.

Give Jay a little bit of feedback there so he can kind of give you a sense of what kind of shot he's wanted to talk to you about. Sure, so I mean if you're a random stranger, you saw me on the street, you would say, that's a rather large man. How big is large, Aaron?

How big is large? I'm about 6'5". I played some college basketball.

I'm a little bit athletic, but obviously like everybody, I eat probably five too many donuts every morning. Okay, well I can see Jay, he's settled back in his seats, he's got a big smile on his face, so he is ready to solve. So Aaron, one of the sports, the short game is my specialty.

I absolutely love it. You were born as a great short game player, weren't you Jay? No, my dad had a description of my short game. I'll clean it up a little bit because we're trying to be a family show. He said, son, your short game is either penthouse or outhouse.

Those were neither of the words he used. So I was either really good or really bad. And you mentioned the concept bounce and most amateurs, Aaron, don't really have any idea how to play with the bounce on the wedge. And when you're hitting balls fat and you're hitting balls thin, it's basically the same thing that's getting in the way and that's the leading edge.

That's the very front edge of the wedge that should be sliding under the ball if you're coming in at a decent angle of approach. One of the challenges, because I'm six foot five as well, is that you need to be shallow, which means coming from a little more in and around you on those wedges. And it is not easy when you're taller. So you want the blade lower to the ground for as long as you can, is that what you mean by shallow too? And what's interesting is that the short game doesn't take a huge amount of power.

It takes almost no power. We really don't want our lower body, we want it stabilized and staying, our shoulders kind of staying on top of our feet and our knees and hips. And just the bounce, the great example of the bounce is when you're in a bunker. Can you play bunker shots well, Aaron? Oh, it's just absolutely horrible.

Well, so this goes hand in hand in hand. Okay, so I'm going to tell you how to use this, your 60 degree in a bunker and explain to you where the bounce comes in. So I want you to get in a bunker next time and I want you to draw a line behind the ball about two inches behind the ball. Then I want you to make this line and I want you to get rid of the ball because we've got to practice hitting with the bounce of your wedge on that line with a little bit of an up and down motion.

Okay, just a slight up and down motion. But I want you to take the bounce, which is the very bottom of the club. You'll look under at the bottom of your sandwich and there's a flange under there.

It's unmistakable. It's the very bottom of your club and I want you to take that club and that part of the wedge and I want you to try to hit it on that line. Almost like slap it on the sandwich?

It's going to be like slapping it or spanking on the sand like that. And what happens is the wedge is made, Aaron, to basically slap the sand, move through it and get the ball up in the air. And so by using that bounce and driving that bounce into the sand, the wedge goes right underneath the ball. And that's what you have to do when you're in grass around the greens. You have to let the bounce hit behind the ball, coming from a little shallower angle attack then in a bunker, and then having it move right through there. What happens, Aaron, is you get anxious and then you start helping the thing up and you try to lift it with your hands, you'll lift it with your upper body, you'll get in the way of it and just mess this thing up. And so what we do with the bounce is we just keep our body there, we use the bounce and we let the club move right on through like the ball's not even there and the club does all the work. So we get comfortable in the bunker and then start moving outside.

Maybe hit three or four bunker shots, one or two outside, three or four bunker shots and keep doing that. First things first, grab that club and lighten up on your grip because I know you're going to be white-knuckling that thing because anxiety does that to us. You're going to be squeezing the hell out of it. So if you're currently squeezing it as hard as you can, I want you to go half that hard and then once you feel like what half that hard is, go half of that hard.

So it's going to change. If you're squeezing it at a ten, it's going to put you down as like a three or four. And that's going to help you get some feel, Aaron, because you've got to be soft and supple and let your hands do the work around the greens.

And one other key part though to this, super key part, your best buddy in the group, get him right on the other side of the pin so when you skull the crap out of it, it hits him in the shoulder, drops out of the green and you've got a shot at making bar. Absolutely. Don't ask him about insurance or anything. Is that something you think you can do, Aaron? That is wonderful advice. I appreciate that, guys. Well, this is how we end these segments. First of all, thanks so much for calling in and if this helps you, tell everybody where you got it.

Right here on Jay Delson Golf at Whackin' Chase. But Aaron, you keep skulling and fattening that thing, tell them we never met. Well, I appreciate you guys' time and advice. Thanks for your time. Appreciate it. Thanks, buddy.

Thanks, guys. Bye-bye. Now, Whackin' Chase is always interesting. Always wacky. Always wacky.

Yep. Well, that's going to wrap up another show. John, thanks so much for being with me. Meat, thanks so much for running the board and we will talk to you next week. Hit them straight, St. Louis.