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Lessons About Marriage

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May 24, 2021 2:00 am

Lessons About Marriage

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May 24, 2021 2:00 am

Bob Lepine has co-hosted FamilyLife Today for 28 years, and today, he begins his farewell week, relating to Dave and Ann Wilson some of the top takeaways on marriage from his years with FamilyLife.

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And welcome to Family Life Today. Thanks for joining us. Your hosts are Dave and Anne Wilson. I'm Bob Lapine.

You can find us online at familylifetoday.com. I've got a verse of the year. You have kind of a verse that you get locked in on during a year. This is mine. It's Ecclesiastes 3, and I didn't learn this in a Bible study.

I learned this in the 60s listening to the radio. Is this your verse this year? This is my verse for this year. Yes. I learned it listening to the birds, and it's to everything there is a season.

Sing it, Bob. No, we'll just go through it. Everything this year, you kind of have to recognize God's in control of things. There's a season for everything. And some seasons are hard seasons. Some seasons are seasons of joy.

Some seasons are melancholy. This is a season of transition for us at Family Life. This is going to be the last week that I'll be doing this. Starting next week, we're handing things over to you guys. I wish you could see our faces right now.

You are going to do great. I can't imagine what the listeners' faces are doing right now. This is news to them.

It is news. And I know, you know, any transition, it's kind of like, oh, it's not going to be the same. It's going to be great.

It's going to be, I mean, it is going to be great. Listeners, you know, this listeners when Dennis transitioned. Do you see how quiet we are? Listeners came and they said, oh, I don't know.

And then a couple months later, it's like, we love Dave and Ann. Is that what they said? They still said it. I hope so. And the same thing is going to happen here. People will go, oh, it's not the same. But three months from now, they'll be going, it's, you know, actually, in some ways, it's a lot better.

I don't know about that. They're going to miss. It's like we're going to lose our favorite brother. Well, we're marking this week.

We thought, what should we do in this final week? And I just thought, I've been here 28 years doing family life today. And over 28 years, I think I've got the equivalent of a master's. Maybe I'm into my Ph.D. work. I think you're into your doctorate.

When it comes to marriage and family. And it's just been the daily discipline of sitting down with some of the smartest people on the planet about what the Bible has to say about marriage and family. I've learned so much. I came up with 28 things. And I could have come up with 280. Yeah, right.

Right. But 28 things I've learned in 28 years. And so this week we'll walk through my top 28.

OK, that'll be easy. And today we'll focus on 28 things about marriage. Then tomorrow we'll look at parenting and then we're going to look at the differences between men and women. We'll look at things that all of us have learned from Dennis Rainey. And then I've got a bunch of miscellaneous stuff we'll throw in on the last day.

Just don't mind if I cry half the time. OK, the marriage stuff we're going to talk about. Really is connected to our experience teaching at the Weekend to Remember Marriage Getaways that we've done together. You've done it for more than 30 years.

I've done it for the 28 years that I've been here. I remember the experience of being in the middle of teaching one of the sessions at the Weekend to Remember. And while I'm teaching it, I'm going, oh, I get what this is about.

Did you have that experience? I mean, I had my outline. I'm following the outline.

I'm teaching this. I know it. But all of a sudden it dawns on me.

Oh, this is bigger than just the points I'm making here. I've had that same thing happen where you think this is really good. I can apply this. And so the first night at the Weekend to Remember, we have kind of the principle that sets up the whole weekend. It's one of those profound things that you go, that's really true. And understanding that helps me understand everything that's going on in my marriage. The principle is that the natural drift in every marriage relationship is a drift toward isolation. We don't drift toward one another. We drift away from one another. And to pursue oneness takes intentionality and pursuit.

And you've got to go for it. If you don't go for it, you'll drift apart. So here's how Dennis explained it on a Family Life Today radio program back, I don't know, this was 20 plus years ago, talking about this drift in a relationship.

Listen to this. God created marriage for a noble purpose for a husband and wife who are very different to become one. And that all your marriage, you're going to battle isolation versus oneness. And the question is, where are you going to end up? You're going to end up isolated from one another? Or are you going to battle it through using God's plan, God's blueprints, and submit to Jesus Christ and end up as a couple, one with one another? Well, and when we speak to couples on this subject, we really start off by talking about the factors in the culture that cause us not to grow closer together, but try to push us apart. We're really swimming upstream when we try to pursue oneness. And a lot of couples sit there and they go, that's me, that's me, that's us. That explains a lot.

And you know what, Bob? Today, as never before, couples need someone from the outside to just explain to them what happens in a marriage relationship where two people who started out with such high expectations, high hope, and great love for one another can, within a matter of hours, days, weeks, months, or years, be at war with one another and be isolated from one another in marriage. And instead of experiencing intimacy, be alone in a marriage relationship.

I mean, isn't that just an aha where you go, that's true. No marriage is static, not standing still. You're either drifting away or you're moving toward one another in oneness.

And if you neglect your marriage, you'll go toward isolation. If you work together, you can get to oneness. Yeah, and it is pretty much the opposite of what a couple thinks before marriage. They think, oh, we're just going to drift together. You know, the longer we're together, the more in love. That's the natural drift is going to be toward each other. And then you get married, you realize it really is the opposite. You are going to drift away.

The current is going in opposite directions, and you've got to paddle. And it is a ton of work. I remember one time in Detroit, I don't know if I remember this, but it was a Lions home game weekend, and we convinced a couple, maybe three or four Lions couples to go to the Family Life Weekend to remember in Detroit on Friday night. But they couldn't go Saturday. So all they heard was that talk. And I remember they looked at us afterwards like, well, that was discouraging. You're like, no, you got to come back and find out God's plan. But they only heard, you know, the first talk, which was the threats, the oneness.

And yeah, I mean, Dennis did a great job. It's so true. I'm telling you, if you go to the marriage conference, though, and that's the only thing you get, that should put an alarm in your mind, in your head like, oh, because I always thought the same thing. We're drifting together. Our love just pulls us together and we'll continue to. Well, the Beach Boys told us that's how it would be. Brian Wilson said it's only going to make it that much better when we can say good night and stay together.

Wouldn't it be nice? So the idea was, if dating is good, marriage is just going to be great. And then we get married and go, why is this not working out? And on Friday night at the weekend to remember to hear the natural drift is toward isolation, you go, oh, this is not just us. Everybody experiences this. We're not alone in this. The fact that we're in isolation is because we haven't been paying any attention.

Yeah. I remember one couple we were interviewing on family life today who talked about Friday night and they said, you know, you bring out this chart and you're showing this is how you lead toward isolation. And the husband was like, that's us. And the wife was like, that's us. And she was thinking, so we should get the divorce.

Oh, because that's that. And he said, well, no, wait, if they know what's wrong, maybe they know how to fix it. And the course of the weekend, they both learned how to fix it and were able to put their marriage back together.

So I just think that's genius. Everybody listening, your marriage is not staying static. If you're not working on it, you're drifting toward isolation. You have to work at it.

You have to know how to work at it to pursue the kind of oneness that God intends for a marriage. And if you're sitting there thinking, OK, now what do I do? Go to the weekend. Remember, go to family life dot com right now.

And there's all kinds of resources that will help you combat that natural drift. Download the app. Listen to this program every day. Do the things that are going to prompt you to move toward one another in marriage.

All right. Here's the second thing about marriage that got implanted on my brain early on. And it's probably the most often quoted line from the weekend to remember. If you go up to a couple who's been to a weekend to remember and you say, what do you remember?

Was there a big takeaway? I mean, at least 50 percent of the time, I would say so, too. What they will say is I learned my spouse is not my enemy. I have couples say it out loud. I say, here it is. Your spouse is not your enemy.

Everybody say it with me. My spouse is not my enemy. Then I say, look at each other and say, you are not my enemy. And some of them feel like they're lying.

Exactly. Have you looked out there? And some of them will not do it right. They're looking at their spouse and they want to tell us if they could. You got us wrong that she is my enemy. She's the one in my marriage. Here's Dennis Rainey again explaining this principle that your spouse is not your enemy. Well, if you see your marriage from a spiritual perspective, you're going to understand that your marriage is under attack. There is a spiritual battle that is swirling around every marriage that is listening today to this broadcast. Satan is seeking to divide and to destroy Christian marriages, and that's why it's so important for every Christian marriage to realize your marriage today is under attack.

Do not be deceived. Ultimately, life is a battle of who you and I are going to submit to. If you're going to make it in this battle that's taking place, you as a husband, you as a wife, must declare who your Lord, who your master is, who will be the builder of your home. And we're told in Scripture, every home has a builder, and the builder that I want for my home, that Barbara and I have decided, is we are going to submit to Jesus Christ as the author, the designer, and the spiritual creator of the marriage relationship because he knows how to make it work. Well, a lot of couples recognize there's a battle going on in their marriage.

They experienced it this morning or last night as they clashed as a couple. You're saying that that battle has a source outside of their marriage? I'm saying that there is a destroyer that is seeking to deceive us, to cause us to think that the battle is inside our home, that the real enemy is your spouse. And if I read Ephesians chapter 6 correctly, it tells me that our battle is not against flesh and blood. Your enemy is never your spouse. Your enemy is never your mate. You are not at war against your husband. Your real battle is against the prince of darkness. And what he is trying to get Christians to do today is to deceive them into thinking that their real battle is internally within their marriage instead of realizing that the real battle is the devil, and that the only way we're going to defeat him is to know the Scripture and cling to God and be dependent upon the truth that is found in God's Word.

I mean, again, that's such a foundational principle. When a couple can look at each other and say, You're not my enemy. We have an enemy. There's somebody who's trying to destroy our marriage. Rather than focusing on one another as the source of the issue, let's recognize where the issue is.

Let's turn together and let's do battle against Satan who wants to destroy us. That's a turning point in so many marriages. Oh, it is. I remember the first year we went to the conference, which was two weeks before we got married. Dave and I ended up really struggling that first year in our marriage, but that point stuck out to me and we were in this big fight. And I remember walking out of the room saying, You're not my enemy. Remember that? I actually remember it differently.

Oh. Yeah, it was the same thing. But here's what I remember. I got up and left the bedroom and was storming down the hall and she was in the bedroom and you yelled out into the hallway. So we weren't even in the same room.

And she yelled the words that we heard at the weekend. Remember? You're not my enemy. You're not my enemy. What are we fighting each other for?

Let's turn and fight the enemy. And all I remember at that moment is thinking, I can't believe she's right again. Oh, now you're admitting it.

No, it was. I remember it because we weren't looking at each other. I was like, Oh, she's always right.

She's bringing back this point from the weekend, remember, which was a couple months before that. And but think about it. We're newlyweds and we have a foundation that was very important to understand at that moment. And Marianne and I have been married 41 years and there are still days where we have to look at each other and say, Okay, you're not the enemy.

I'm not the enemy. And we just acknowledge that and it helps us recalibrate and go, what we're feeling right now, it's real, but let's recognize what's also real. And that is that God's on our side on this and that we can turn to him and let's fight the real enemy and all of this. That recognition is really important. There's a third point that's probably I'm kind of these are the weekend to remember greatest hits that we're doing here. So there's a third point that comes during the course of the weekend where we help couples understand that there is a decision every person has to make. And you you make it when you get married, but you have to remake it over and over again. It's the decision that you're going to do more than simply accept your spouse. You're going to receive your spouse as the gift God has given you. And again, Dennis explained this in a series we did on family life today very early after the program got started.

So here's Dennis again. When you made a covenant to your spouse, it wasn't just to stay married. It was a covenant to care for and to nourish them and meet their needs and to receive them, accept them, embrace them as God's personal provision for your needs. And what we've got to do today is not reject our spouse.

We have to receive them. We've got to receive them and their personality, their habits, the mistakes they make, even their selfishness and how they hurt us. We somehow in the middle of a real relationship with a real person must embrace that person because that is God's assignment for us. That's a tough assignment for a lot of folks who have a lot of baggage that they brought with them into the marriage relationship or a lot of issues that have developed since they got married where they've been wounded. Yeah, and what makes it even more difficult is some Christians end up feeling like they married the wrong person.

And this will really undermine your commitment. And I believe the devil really uses seeds of doubt in Christians' lives early in their marriage to perhaps convince them that they made a mistake. I ran across a little piece written by Zig Ziglar, and you don't think of him as being a marriage counselor, but this is worth repeating here on the broadcast.

He said this, You know, I like that. But he goes on to say this, The bottom line is we need to accept and receive our spouse. If we're married today to them, we need to accept them as God's personal provision for us, because you know what?

You don't have an option at this point. Again, such a great principle that if we will just change perspective and say God's given me a gift, it feels some days like I got a gag gift, right? It feels some days like this is no gift.

This is a millstone. But no, God knows what he's doing. He's given you exactly what you need and when you can accept this as the good gift from his hand. When we talk about this at the marriage conference, we talk about God presenting Eve to Adam. And Adam didn't know anything about her. All he knew was a good God has given me a gift. And so whether I know anything about her, I can trust that God knows what I need and he's given me what I need. And our big point at the weekend is he doesn't just accept her. This is now bone in my bone. He's excited he receives her because of who is bringing her to him.

It's somebody he knows well, God, and he can trust him. I don't know if you're interested, Bob, but at this point in the weekend, remember, I usually grab my guitar and do a little song that sort of captures that moment. Do you want to hear it? Sure, yeah, absolutely. We've got a guitar in the studio. In the studio, just in case. Yeah, you know, I sort of envision what it must have been like in the garden.

And I think, you know, Adam might have wrote this song at that moment. Help, I need somebody help, not just anybody help. You know, I need someone. Come on. I can't get that high.

When I was younger, so much younger than today. Never needed anybody's help in any way. Now I've named the animals, I see no one for me. Help me, Lord, take a rib, make a woman Amy. Help me if you can, I feel alone. And looking at you, I want to jump your boat. Help me come and build a four bedroom home.

Won't you please, please help me, help me. Little Harmony, help me. That's a little comic relief in the middle of that. Do you think John Lennon had Genesis in mind when he wrote that? I don't think so. Probably not.

Probably not. But I mean, you know, the fun of that is, that is a sense of what was going on. I mean, as Adam's standing there, he realizes he's alone. God provides. And we have a beautiful picture of what marriage can be.

I can choose to reject this gift from my father or I can receive her, receive him as an amazing gift. And I know we all have moments where like, oh, this is not what I thought. But at the end of the day, there is a beautiful gift in your wife, in your husband that we often miss. And I'm realizing that these are foundational truths for Dave and me because we have built our marriage on these truths. And they're biblical truths.

And I'm telling you, these three things we've talked about. Your marriage drifts toward isolation. Your spouse is not your enemy. Receive your spouse as God's gift for you. When you can build a marriage on that kind of a foundation, it's amazing what God can do. When we talk about receiving your spouse, the very next thing we talk about is the fact that there are obstacles to receiving your spouse. Like everybody has weaknesses and those weaknesses in your spouse are an obstacle. You don't want to receive somebody who's got weaknesses.

And I remember teaching through this one Saturday morning at the weekend to remember. And I'm looking through this list of possible obstacles, things like your spouse is critical, has a critical spirit, or your spouse is lazy, or your spouse is disorganized. And it dawned on me that each one of those weaknesses, there is a corresponding strength behind that weakness. So I'm thinking, okay, sometimes Mary Ann can have a critical spirit. But I thought that's because she has high standards.

And those high standards are a good thing. It's just when you overuse that that it becomes a critical spirit. Sometimes I can be lazy. Well, I can be a laid-back person. The laid-back can be a good thing. Lazy's not. So when you see whatever you would identify as your spouse's weakness, you'd say, this person is just nags all the time. Well, a person who nags all the time really cares about things going right.

See, this is so good. If we would all do this thing, what are my husband's weaknesses or my wife's? And we went through and thought, what's the opposite?

What's the corresponding strength? I remember our professor in seminary asked me, tell me what Dave's greatest weakness is. I'm surprised that he asked me. It's like, oh, I cannot stand how laid-back he is. I think it's not just laid-back. I used to think it was laid-back. But now I'm realizing he's just passive.

He doesn't have any unction and get up and go. And I would go on and on. Of course, she never told me that. It's like every day we would talk about this. So ten years later, that same prof came and visited us. And now he asked me, tell me what Dave's greatest strength is. And because, maybe it's because of these principles that I had learned, I said, I love how laid-back he is. And then he reminded me, oh, do you remember what you said?

I said, no. And he said, you said that drove you crazy. And I said, I'm realizing now that that is one of the greatest gifts because I am so intense.

I need that in my life. And I think we can have a conversation with one another in marriage and say, you know, one of the things I love about you is that you really care about things being done right in our family. Now, sometimes it does drive me crazy when that turns into nagging. But I really do appreciate, I'm grateful for what's behind that. And is there a way we can celebrate what's good and kind of work on when that gets overused? And maybe even an assignment as you listen today is make a list of the great qualities in your spouse. I bet you it's been a while since you've identified those because it's so easy to see the negative. But there's a positive side of that.

You know, write it and tell her, tell him, you know, you appreciate that about them. Here's the last thing about marriage that we'll talk about today. And this came out during an interview that we had with our friend Dan Allender, who had written a book called Intimate Allies. And Dan was helping me understand why leaving father and mother and forming a new union, why that's so important.

And, you know, I think in literal terms, so leaving means, well, I don't live with them anymore. But Dan was explaining your parents and their influence and their approval and all of that still kind of comes with you into marriage. And when it does, when you don't leave father and mother and form that new union, you're sowing seeds of discord in a marriage.

Here's Dan talking about this. Well, there are three parts in that passage in Genesis 2. And it says that we are to leave our fathers and mothers. We are to cleave to our wives that we are to become one flesh.

There's a sequence that's required for every man and for every woman. They must leave their family of origin. And not just geographically. We're to move together uniquely and not under the sway and power of our families of origin. That's not a psychological concept.

That was a biblically implanted concept in order to create a new unit. Now, what happens, for example, with a husband who does not leave his father and lives for his father's approval? In one sense, his wife knows he is not trustworthy.

And in that sense, a wife is often going to feel anger at her husband for not being willing to separate from the family of origin. So, leaving is core. There has to be a leaving. Isn't that good?

Really good. He just, his voice just sounds so smart. Yeah, I think about the same thing. And you can see, as you work with couples, how a failure to leave, how emotional dependence on mom's approval, dad's approval, this is how I was raised, I have to do it this way.

Those are seeds that disrupt. In fact, somewhere in this conversation, I think Dan said he could trace 90% of a couple's problems in marriage back to a failure to leave. When he's working with couples and he starts digging into what's going on, they didn't leave mom and dad.

They didn't leave and form a whole new union. You know what I'm amazed at is that Bob Lapine can remember who said what on this broadcast 20 some years ago. These things marked me. That's the point as we're going through this. I'm looking back at the things over the last 28 years as I've done this that have shaped my life, shaped my marriage, helped me understand for me, for my family, for Mary Ann and me.

Helped us understand how do you form a marriage that's going to go the distance. And the neat thing is there's thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands that will say, I remember Bob Lapine saying, I'm failing my life today and that marked me. That's a beautiful thing.

Think about it. You and Mary Ann are living out those principles. That's why they're forefront in your mind because you're living them every day.

And it's because I got catechized. I got trained here on family life today and we thought our listeners might like to have these kind of core principles in a consumable format. We've put together a flash drive that includes all that we're going to be talking about this week, the 28 lessons I've learned in 28 years of being on family life today.

And we've actually taken the original programs from which each of these principles came. So when you get the flash drive, you not only get our conversations, but you get to go back and listen to the programs from years ago where I first heard some of these core principles. We're making that flash drive available to family life today listeners who can help support the ministry of family life going forward. Family life today is listener supported. Your contributions keep this program in your community, keep it on the web, keep it reaching hundreds of thousands of people every day. You make that possible as you support the ongoing work of family life today. We've had some friends of the ministry come to us recently and they have agreed that during the month of May they would match every donation we receive from family life today listeners, match it dollar for dollar up to a total of $350,000.

This is the last week for that. So we need to hear from you this week. Be as generous as you can possibly be so that we can take full advantage of this matching gift. When you do, in addition to sending you the flash drive that I just talked about, we'll send you a couple of books by Erin and Jamie Ivy. Both books have the same title and the same chapters, but one is for husbands, the other is for wives.

The book is called Compliment and it's about how we blend together in marriage. And then those of you who would like to align with us as monthly legacy partners this month, we're hoping that many of you would step in and say family life today means a lot to me. I want to make sure that this program does continue. We can be monthly donors to the Ministry of Family Life. When you make that first monthly gift, we're going to send you a certificate so you and your spouse can attend an upcoming weekend to remember Marriage Getaway as new legacy partners. And that's transferable.

If you want to pass that on to somebody else, you can do that as well. We really appreciate all of you who support the ministry, legacy partners. We particularly appreciate your faithfulness through the years. So if you'd like the flash drive and the books, if you'd like to become a legacy partner, go to familylifetoday.com. All of the information is available there for how you can help support the ongoing work of family life today. Again, the website familylifetoday.com or if it's easier, just call 1-800-FL-TODAY. We can get you all set up. Our number again, 1-800-358-6329.

That's 1-800-F as in family, L as in life, and then the word today. Now tomorrow we're going to talk about parenting because I learned a lot as we were raising our kids. There were a lot of times when I would sit down and have a conversation with a guest and go home and talk to Marianne and say, guess what I learned today? Here's what we need to start doing. So tomorrow, lessons on parenting from the last 28 years. Hope you can tune in for that. I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, got some extra help today from Bruce Goff and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I'm Bob Lapine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of Family Life Today. Family Life Today is a production of Family Life of Little Rock, Arkansas. A crew ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.
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