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It's the bars you buy that look like health bars, you turn it over, and it's got 35 ingredients. How do you really describe that group of foods that we know Are designed for high shelf life. We know they're loaded with chemicals. And how do we encourage people to eat more wholesome foods and natural foods and things with fiber and complex carbohydrates instead of simple carbohydrates?
So that's the task, that's the charge. And so we're going to do our best to try to.
So that is Dr. Marty McCary. He's running things over at HSS along with RFK, and you know, doing some great work is Dr. Oz, and they're a pretty formidable team. They're trying to change things at the most foundational way.
With us right now is Nina Teischultz. She's an investigative science journalist, New York Times best-selling author of the Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat, and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet. Nina, welcome. Thanks for having me. First off, how do you feel as though the Haumaha movement is doing six months in?
Yeah, I think there's just been a tremendous political pole shift, like a magnetic pole shift on food and nutrition. The same way that we've seen in trade, unions, corporate greed, where you've seen the right really take the left. I mean, the left in nutrition and health, the left used to be the party of whole foods, back to nature, real foods. That whole space now has been occupied by the right. And I grew up in Berkeley, California, so no one knows this better than me.
This is where the, you know, this is the epicenter of the whole foods movement. And I've been looking for 20 years when working in this field for the Democratic Party to step up and talk about obesity, the problem of chronic disease in children. I saw the Biden White House Conference on Hunger, Nutrition and Health go by without a single panel on children's health. They are backed into a corner now because really the Maha movement has stitched together folks on the right and the left to really create you know people understand that the nation is sicker and fatter and we really need to do a U-turn and make things better. You know what's interesting, so it's easy to say so that you're overweight because you're not active enough or you know, and you're eating bad.
But then when you think you're eating good and you don't know why you can't lose the weight, and then we find out the food that we were told is good for us isn't, that I think is the subtle difference. It's easy to take a lazy person that doesn't want to do anything or is unmotivated and say you got to get yourself in shape. But what if you thought you were eating good, judging by the guidelines you were given? Yeah, I can't tell you how many people think they're eating clean and are unable to drop an ounce. And it's really offensive, I think, to the average American to be told, like, it's your fault.
You need to exercise more beyond what you're already doing and you're also like trying to work two jobs. And you need to eat better somehow, but you think you're eating well. And the reality is, is that our dietary guidelines, that food pyramid that we were all sold with the big bottom slab of all grains and starches, and we were told that was the way to eat to be healthy. It turns out none of that is evidence-based. It's not based, it's not, so we were really fed this.
Really? I mean, misinformation, a lie about what it takes to be healthier and lose weight, and that I think will change under this administration finally. Here's what Dr. Marty McCarry said about the food pyramid, cut 44. You can eat all the bad food you want.
You can have cupcakes and ding dongs or whatever you like. You're free. Yeah, you're welcome to fix it. You're free to do bad things to your mom. You're welcome.
You can do it. You can do it. But when we are using taxpayer dollars, We've got to make better decisions. And not decisions based on the old misinformation of the food pyramid.
So, the food pyramid is going to be a thing of the past. When are we going to get a new? When are we going to get new guidelines on everything that we do know about food, which you should be eating, whether you're rich or poor? Yeah, I hear sometime this fall we will get a new food pyramid, new dietary guidelines, drastically reduced from the 450-page guidelines that are inscrutable to consumers and people don't understand them and include things like water is a nutrient-dense food.
So I think we're going to get down to better science, and these will come out this fall, and I think it'll be. Be the most transformative policy change that this administration makes for restoring health to Americans, right? Because this is what affects school lunches, food in the military, hospital food, download it to all of us.
So once you release these guidelines, then everyone's got to change, right? School lunches and military lunches. It is It is required by law that all f Federal programs follow the dietary guidelines. That is everything.
So, and the guidelines are considered the gold standard by all health professionals.
So, they're downloaded and given to patients.
So, even if you think, oh, I'm not following the guidelines and I would never go to the government for my health advice, you are getting it through your doctor's office or through your health clinic or wherever. They come to everybody, and all of that will change. And maybe, if the perception is we can trust these guys and they put the time in and they can show it to you, then there wouldn't even be much pushback on what the government is recommending, even though they got burned by the pyramid.
Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think there's going to be pushback on anything that Kennedy does. But again, let's just get back to the point that, like, what is the opposition, the left, complaining about when they no longer stand for the party of good health and clean food? They had their opportunity to stand up for that.
Now, I mean, just this week there's an article with a Harvard professor quoted, defending ultra-processed fake meat, which has the ingredient list of dog food. I mean, that is the corner into which they have been backed based on their ideologies. Right. That's what I was getting at, is that you only do that if you want to get rid of beef because you believe that cows are destroying the planet. Right.
Right. And pretend that that is better for health. Then, I mean, again, like the ingredient list of that is, you know, a thousand ingredients versus beef, one ingredient, beef, right? Probably the most maligned and healthiest food on the planet. But that ideology that cows are driving global warming has really taken nutrition scientists who are not environmental scientists and taken them completely off the path of nutrition and health.
How do I feed myself to be healthy? Instead, we're told, you need to feed yourself to For what we believe will be healthy for the planet. And if you get obesity and diabetes, well, we're no longer worried about that. Yeah, the impossible burger is impossible to digest. The FDA will attempt to define ultra-processed foods, according to Dr.
Marty McCari, in layman's terms. How do I know if my pro if food is processed? Yeah, I mean, ultra-processed is really ultra-confusing. And this is why Marty McCarry is doing such a A good thing by trying to bring some clarity to this very murky, ambiguous definition. And let's.
Let's understand that any time something is ambiguous, that is open season for corporations or people with political ideologies to come in and manipulate the agenda or define it in the terms that they care about. I think two things for your listeners to really understand what this means, why it's so hard to define ultra-processed foods. Like one of the definitions is it just has too long a list of ingredients.
Well, Triscuits reformulated their product, and now they only have three ingredients, like grain, salt, and something else, and they're no longer an ultra-processed food. Do we really think that box full of starch is good for health? No, I don't. And then another second example: if you make a batch of home-baked chocolate chip cookies, that's not ultra-processed food. Do we really think that's healthy to get all that sugar and white flour and eat a whole bunch of those?
So there are problems with this definition, and I think they're really open to manipulation, and that's why this is such an important effort.
So what did the pyramid have wrong?
Well, let me just give you three examples of what's wrong with the pyramid. Still, six servings of grains a day, including three servings of refined grains, five and a half teaspoons of seed oils, right? That's basically soybean oil in the United States, which oxidize and drive inflammation. And then they still include. You know, like, they don't have enough protein.
They have like an amount of protein that is defined as the amount that prevents like starving children in Africa from not being able to do anything. But we need to probably double the amount of protein that is recommended for optimal health. We should be going for optimal health, not just like fight off starvation. It's the Will Kane Show. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through Thursday on Foxnews.com or on the Fox News YouTube channel.
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So do you think that, what do you say to people who go, well, there's no Whole Foods that'll be in working class areas because Whole Foods, if you want to have the fresh food, it's going to cost more. And in your working class areas, you're going to price people out, even though they want to eat well. But if you go to Whole Foods, they're marginally more expensive than traditional supermarkets. Yeah, I mean, I think that relates to this definition of ultra-processed food and why it needs to be cleaned up. Because currently on the ultra-processed food list, a can of baked beans is ultra-processed.
You know, Campbell's chicken soup is ultra-processed.
So I think there's like an equity issue here. Like if you are. If you don't have time to cook, you need to be able to pick up something that we would currently call ultra-processed food and not feel bad about it and not feel like that's unhealthy for your children. That is, you know, we can't be telling people that you need to go home and cook your own homemade chicken soup. I think that's like.
That's a little elitist of us to be telling people that.
So, we really need to have a definition of ultra-processed food that includes all Americans that we all can work with. I mean, not everybody has time to cook from scratch.
So, the one thing I hear is the food dyes are coming out. Every day, I seem to be listening to another major company that's going to take the food out, the dyes out.
So, I was listening to one of these podcasts, a New York Times podcast, and they said, Well, yeah, it's good to get the dyes out. But just so you know, sales will drop because people want to see the magenta in Trix or with whatever green thing in these cereals. How do you feel about that? You know, am I sad that Fruit Loops is no longer going to have such, you know, robust sales? No, I'm perfectly happy about that.
I mean, all of those products, like, do I need electric green ice cream? Do I really need neon pink fruit roll-ups? No, I don't. None of us do.
So. You don't need fruit roll-ups. Need fruit roll-ups. I mean, you know, dried fruit has spikes your sugar more in many cases than a candy bar. You don't need those foods.
There's nothing about those foods that are healthy.
So if they become bland-looking and less appealing, and fewer consumers buy them, that is a win for health.
So, what can you expect? Finally, what can you expect over the next couple of years? We think we're going to get a new food pyramid. We know the RFK is approaching vaccines, which is a whole different thing. What else, if he's being effective and fulfilling his promise, what else can we expect?
I really hope that they do something around the advice that is given through the medical community that is so it's helpful for prevention and treatment and reversal of diseases, right?
So, currently, like type 2 diabetes, they're told to eat a high-carbohydrate diet and just cover it. I'm using that in quotes: cover it with insulin. That means huge amounts of insulin, and your disease progresses, it still gets worse. Wouldn't it be great to tell people to simply eat a low-carbohydrate diet or a ketogenic diet, which has proven and shown to reverse type 2 diabetes in 10 weeks? You can get this done.
That kind of advice, which would actually be evidence-based, really reverse chronic disease in America. That's something that I know the administration is considering, and I think it would really do a lot to make a change. Yeah, I do think that they also want to do something on vaccines and putting them through the other tests, and we'll see where that goes. The Maha movement is safe. The people on the inside are happy with the people on the outside, and vice versa.
Yeah, I mean, it's complicated and there's a lot of different factions on the outside, and then you got Callie and Casey Means on the inside now working with and I'm just wondering if they once they got inside government, are they seeing they're able to move that iceberg?
Well, I mean, you see the amazing amount of change that has happened already. And it is just, it's remarkable. Again, we haven't been talking about chronic disease epidemics. We haven't been talking about children's health. That's our future generation.
There's just been it's just been Week after week of headlines on this issue, and Kennedy is traveling all over the country and working with states and governors. I don't know another issue in the administration where we see such amazing progress. I know, it's amazing the transformation taking place. Nina, Ty Schultz, thanks so much for coming in. Pick our book, The Big Fat Surprise, Why Butter, Meat, and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet.
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