2-1-23 After Hours with Amy Lawrence PODCAST: Hour 1

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I know, I know. Just wait until next week. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Yes, we call it the hump show because it's the middle show of our work week. And two hours from now, we'll be dead center of the work week. Man, I thought January has gone really fast. So we're in the final couple hours of January for our straggling time zones. Just kidding.

I'm just kidding. Three of our time zones in the good old US of A still have to get into February. So it's half January. It's half February for our country.

That's interesting, right? Half January, half February. And so I can't believe January is essentially done. And here we are.

It's middle of the work week, and I don't know how we got here either. This is what happens when you're going and blowing and making plans, which we are. A lot of the sports broadcasting industry is making plans right now, but specifically football.

And it's not just Super Bowl. Now we're seeing the dominoes drop with the coaching hires. Now we're seeing some of the pieces put into place in the puzzle.

And there are still many jobs yet that have to be filled. And heavens, we haven't even gotten to the quarterback puzzle yet. That's going to be fascinating too. But it's such an interesting week, couple weeks, because you have both run up to the biggest game of the year. You have the run up and the preparation and the two teams that are the focus of the football world. But the rest of the NFL?

Not sitting around, cheering for them, rooting for them, watching, waiting, listening. Nah, they're on to their own business. And so now 30 other teams in the NFL, they're busy bees.

Or busy beavers, whichever one you prefer. So we'd love for you to find us on Twitter after our CBS or our Facebook page. Why? Well because we've tried a new approach in the last few weeks and it seems to be working. Or at the very least, by casting a wider net, we are getting more variety. More people are weighing in with their questions for Ask Amy Anything. I do not relish the job that producer Jay has to do now that we're posting this bright orange box with our thought bubble and asking you to submit your questions for Ask Amy Anything.

And we're doing it earlier on Tuesday evening inundated with your questions. And many of them are repeats, but they're coming from different people. And then there are some that are creative.

I'm trying not to look too closely or too carefully at them. Only because that is supposed to be part of the package that I am not fully prepared. It's bad though sometimes if I don't have a little bit of a heads up. Jay tends to ask the same kinds of questions a lot, so it's not as much preparation. Producer Tom, he every week would blindside me with some philosophical question or some question about my history. Yeah he would do that to me all the time. He liked to ask sports questions. I secretly think he was hoping that we would come across one that I was clueless and couldn't answer so I would look like a doofus.

He liked to do that to me now and then. And so we don't do many sports questions on Ask Amy Anything just as a hint. But I will tell you that coming up this weekend, Jay and I are planning as part of our Super 6 video series of Super Bowl Week, a new video version of Ask Amy Anything that is likely to be more Super Bowl related. So I'd say if you have Super Bowl questions, maybe they'll get asked on a video edition of Ask Amy but may not be asked and answered tonight. But we'll let Producer Jay handle that because I got stuff to do. So send your questions to our show Twitter again after our CBS and also to our Facebook page. There's lots of links on both of these accounts. Both of these sites always post the link to our our our podcast, which is every weekday morning. And then, yes, we'll share with you YouTube videos. And coming up next week, we're going to be devious as we do our Super 6 video series. We're going to use some YouTube, some Facebook, some Twitter. So I guess if you don't have both, then you're going to have to Google it or you're going to have to become subscribers to other sites that we use. We want you to be full service, a full service participant, all in.

You put your whole self in. That's what the hokey pokey is all about. We're going to do the hokey pokey with our Super 6 video series.

So, yes, just to reiterate, after our CBS, Facebook too, phone numbers 855-212-4227. We did take a Super Bowl snacks call and question on our last show, which was kind of fun, from Nebraska, because that is where snacks matters the most. I just decided. I don't know that we're going to talk too much about Super Bowl tonight. We've got so much time to be able to actually talk about the matchup. Though I'm sure that I will bring it up with Lindsay Rose, who is going to join us from Los Angeles at the top of next hour. She doesn't know my fantasy football story yet. And I don't expect you to remember this, but the last time we had Lindsay on the show, she was with us right before all the fantasy drafts just went nutso and became the number one thing. So it was pre-season and she was giving me coaching tips or GM tips, maybe, on how to draft a team. And I remember she chastised me for even thinking about drafting a quarterback earlier than, say, the sixth or seventh round. So wait until I tell her that while I did follow her advice, I won my fantasy football league in spite of my quarterback. And I do mean that literally.

I'm not being facetious. So, yeah, fantasy football is her thing. She's got a show on Sirius XM Fantasy Sports Radio, which is fantasy year round. And so she loves it. She does I don't know how many different leagues and drafts. And so I followed her advice and I won. I don't even know if she won. So it'll be fun to talk to her about that. And then, of course, we'll talk about the new coaching hires as well as maybe a little bit on the Super Bowl. So Lindsay will join us from L.A. in about fifty five zero minutes from now. We'll see if she and I have as much fun as Travis Kelsey did at Allen Fieldhouse as the Kansas Jayhawks were hosting their state rival, Kansas State.

It was kind of fun. If you haven't seen the video, Kelsey was sitting in the front row and they introduced him. He stood up. The place went crazy. And he at first was stoic.

It's kind of posing a little bit and then turned into classic goofy. I hope they gave him a microphone so he could do that. No doubt the place would have gone even crazier. So, yes, Allen Fieldhouse, one of the coolest places to see a college basketball game. I will tell you, though, I snuck into it when a practice was going on, not when there was a game going on. That was one of my more devious acts as a young person to sneak to places I've snuck into that I feel like are fairly iconic in sports lore.

One is the Notre Dame football stadium. Oh, my gosh, my adrenaline. I was prepared to, I mean, I was so sneaky. I waited until the grounds crew and the delivery truck had moved out of the way. The delivery truck left the fence open. I was like, oh, here's my chance.

It's now or never. And so I waited until the delivery truck had pulled into the concourse, ran through, very light-footed, ran through the open gate, looked up and down the concourse. There were grounds crew members on either end, but they were not at my entrance gate. I just ran. I just put my head down and ran out to the field, took some pictures and ran out before they could throw me in jail.

Anyway, with Allen Fieldhouse, I, well, I don't even know if I should tell you this. The doors were locked for obvious reasons to keep out the riffraff like me. But one of them had been propped open by somebody who probably went out to get something that was going to come back or because someone was late getting to practice and needed the door to be open. That's what we used to do at college basketball practice. For me, we wanted it to be a closed-door practice, but if somebody was running late from a class or whatever else, you had to leave the door open so they could get in.

Otherwise, you wouldn't hear them knocking on the outside door. So someone had left a door propped for a player or another member of the coaching staff, presumably, and I just treated it like the door was propped for me and snuck on in. That was also super cool. Anyway, Travis Kelce did not have to sneak in. He was a welcome guest. That was kind of fun to see.

To the victor go the spoils, baby. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. D'Amico Ryan's going back to Houston. For those of you who remember his playing career, he's a former Texans Pro Bowl linebacker. He now becomes the fourth head coach in four years for the Texans.

Don't! I hope that they're more committed and have more patience with him than they did with David Cully or Lovey Smith. And I still, for the life of me, cannot figure out why you bother promoting Lovey Smith if you weren't planning to allow him to make changes and to build and you weren't planning to invest in him.

Why bother? They've had the hardest time luring quality candidates there for obvious reasons if you see what management has done over the past few years. But D'Amico actually wants the job. It's his dream job. He loves Houston. Says his family is thrilled to be returning there in a statement. We haven't heard from him in terms of his voice yet. We did hear from the owner of the Houston Texans, Cal McNair. He was a guest on our Houston affiliate.

Sports Radio 610. And you can tell he's thrilled, too. It's an exciting day for us. Just so you know, I'm an eternal optimist.

But really, I wait until signatures are on the line that we know for sure. You know, we got it done because there are a lot of places he could have gone in. But he wanted to be here. We wanted him to be here.

And it really worked out. We couldn't be more excited to have him here. D'Amico obviously turned out to be a very hot coaching commodity. And with the Niners falling short, not because of their defense, in the NFC Championship, he had another interview, his second interview with the Texans on Tuesday.

And presumably that's when they were able to come to an agreement. But you had other teams that wanted to speak with him. I know the Broncos made a big splash by trading, quote unquote, with the Saints for Sean Payton. But if you believe the reports, Ryan's was their first choice. Or maybe Jim Harbaugh?

Oh heavens. So before we get back to the D'Amico Ryan situation and why he's so popular and why people are so high on him, Ian Rappaport gives some of the details of what was going on behind the scenes with the Broncos before they announced Sean Payton. Listen to what they did. First of all, they targeted D'Amico Ryan as their top choice.

Then it was clear that was not going to happen. He was going to go to the Texans. Then they flew to Ann Arbor to try to get Jim Harbaugh and convince him to be the coach. Then today, when we all thought they were zeroing in on Sean Payton, they made another run at D'Amico Ryan, failed there, and now go back to Sean Payton and reach a deal with him. So does that mean, Ian Rappaport, NFL Network, that Sean Payton wasn't their first choice? Was he their third choice?

I'm not really sure how to process that. I get that Jim Harbaugh makes a great impression. I would rather have a Sean Payton, whose area of expertise is the offensive side of the ball, when you've got a quarterback problem, or at the very least a quarterback disconnect, with the offense that Nathaniel Hackett and his coaching staff was running with Russell Wilson.

It didn't work. Now maybe it was Russ. I'm not telling you it wasn't a quarterback problem. Sometimes coaches have great systems and quarterbacks don't want to run it. But he's the guy on the field with the ball, so you've got to figure out a way to either get through to him or to find something that he wants to do offensively or that he's comfortable doing offensively. All of those factors could have come into play with Russell Wilson.

By the way, I just threw my hands up in the air and I'm waving them all around. It's a Denver Broncos thing for me. Anyway, so now you've got a Sean Payton who, as I say, I believe is a better fit for the Broncos if you are actually going to keep Russell Wilson instead of taking that massive cap hit. Even with the cap going up, the Broncos don't have that much flexibility and it's only going up $17 million. They've got much more money wrapped up into this contract for Russ. But also they have good young pieces offensively.

Got to figure out how to use them. And so Sean Payton feels like a better option to me. D'Amico Ryan, he's dynamic. Everyone speaks so highly of him. Not only is he a coach, but he's a teacher. And you talk to the people, we've heard from some people who go back to his playing days and it was very clear that he was a coach in training. He had that kind of leadership, that kind of presence. He was a student of the game. He's always been a student of the game.

And so whether it's coaches that were working with him as a player or whether it's players who are working with him now as a coach, you don't hear a bad word about D'Amico. So I understand why the Broncos would have been dazzled in that interview. It's just kind of humorous to think that Sean Payton might have been not their first choice, not their second choice, but their third choice. And to be fair, I don't know that the Broncos were Payton's first choice because a lot of the reports indicated he wanted to coach in LA. But since Sean McVay returned to the Rams and Brandon Staley did not leave, he obviously wasn't going to take the offensive coordinator job that just got filled by Kellen Moore. So you have the Texans coming up with what I think was probably the most coveted candidate. And then you have Sean Payton. I don't want to say that he settled. That's not fair.

He's going to put his whole self in, kind of like we're doing with the Hokey Pokey. But the reporting is drudging up some other details that give you a greater perspective about what the Broncos were doing. Their coaching search took quite a while as well. One piece of history that I'll point out with D'Amico Ryans, he becomes the third consecutive black head coach for the Texans. Do you know it's the first time in NFL history that a franchise has ever hired three consecutive black coaches? Yes, that is a big deal. It is significant. However, I don't love that it happened over three years.

That's the part that, ew, great. You are giving opportunities where they are deserved, where we know that these coaches have put in the time, have used their wisdom, their experience to go into a really difficult situation. I have so much respect for David Cully, 40 years in the league, Lovey Smith, an established head coach, but they were not treated well.

They were not treated well at all by the Texans, and maybe, I don't know that we'll ever get the Texans or McNair to admit this, but maybe they never planned to keep Cully or Lovey around for longer than a year, or at the very least they were short-term options. So yes, give them credit for becoming the first franchise to ever hire three African-American coaches in such a premier position as the number one guy, the head coach, but in three years? You shouldn't be hiring three head coaches in three years. That's not a sign of a winning franchise, and we know the Texans have not won in a bit here. So D'Amico Ryans back to Houston, Sean Payton to Denver, Frank Reich introduced on Tuesday in Charlotte.

So now there's three, but of course still tons of openings, coordinator jobs as well as a couple of head coaches. We are just getting started. We have another big night for LeBron James.

There was no doubt he was going to play at Madison Square Garden, absolutely no doubt. So we'll shift a little bit. We'll run full court and do some hoops, and then we'll get back to some football. And also Lindsay Rhodes, top of the hour, formerly of NFL Network. You've probably seen her a lot there now. She's got the NFL Roadshow. She's on Sirius XM Fantasy Sports Radio Plus. For those of you who have DirecTV, she every Sunday would do a fantasy show that ran concurrent with the games going on. Kind of free-flowing, totally her. If you haven't heard her before on the show, yeah, she just kind of winds her way. She's a lot like me, so we could go on for hours.

We won't, I promise. So on Twitter, ALawRadio, that's me. Send your questions for Ask Amy Anything to our show Twitter or our Facebook page. Glad to have you with us on the Hump Show.

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Learn more at Goalie.com today. Brunson's tied the game. He's got 34. Ten seconds remaining in the fourth. Game tied at 114. AD sets a high screen. Lebron dribble to AD, puts it up blind. And what do they call an offensive foul on Anthony Davis? That's the right call Brunson got there soon enough to take the charge.

Everybody's standing at MSG. Here we go. Tyler Ford gives to Brunson, holding it above his head.

Look at inbound. Bounce to Randall. Right wing, three seconds. Tries on Davis, one second to the rim. Stops, spins, throws it up. Knocked away.

And I don't believe it would have counted. And we're going to overtime at the Garden. Tied at 114.

This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. These games that go into overtime for the Lakers. I do not believe the NBA is rigged.

That's my mom. She actually thinks the NBA is rigged. But it is definitely good for the association these days. With Lebron on national TV as much as they can possibly put him on national TV. As he gets closer and closer to breaking the all time scoring record. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is expected to be at the games in LA. And soon this East Coast road trip will be finished for the Lakers. I actually have a friend who works in the NBA and he said to me. They've been adding games and adding appointments with the Lakers once they get back to LA.

Because of the anticipation surrounding him becoming the league's all time scoring leader. So you knew that it was going to be a packed house at Madison Square Garden. Producer Jay had looked for the cheapest ticket available to MSG about 24 hours ago.

That's the leading into Tuesday. And it was what close to $300 was the cheapest that you could get into MSG? Yeah close to $300 which was much higher than a normal Knights Knicks game. There was no doubt he was going to play even though Lebron did not play in Brooklyn. And was reportedly sore. He didn't look 100% against the Knicks either.

But he did have his first triple double of the season. I would say the Knicks soft defense had something to do with that. This one went into overtime. And the Lakers were able to shoot at a relatively high clip over the course of the OT.

But also really the game. They shot 52%. Here's Russ. Two pointer.

Good! Bank shot from 17 feet on the left side. And now the Lakers lead by 7 with 1.10 to go. Shooter you want to have the ball because he's the Lakers best free throw shooter. And that's what he's doing. And Brentson is trying to bird dog him. And he got it to Lebron.

Lay it up and in. And that should ice the game. 127-121 with 19 seconds remaining. And the Lakers are going to get a much needed win in game 3 of this road trip.

The Lakers radio network with John Ireland. They out score the Knicks 15-9 in OT. And yeah the defense was there and then it wasn't for the Knicks. Lebron finishes with 28 points, 11 assists, 10 rebounds. And even as he gets within 90 points of passing Kareem. He also moves into 4th all time on the assist list.

It's hard to say. Assist list. And he passes Steve Nash and Mark Jackson as he does it. It's amazing because that's just what I love to do. And get my guys involved and trying to put the ball on time and on target with my guys throughout the course of my career. And I'm with another great group that allows me to see the space and see the floor. And I'm able to get it to them and try to get it to them with the right type of pass.

But they have to make the shots and they've done a great job of that. Not only this season but over the course of my career so it's pretty cool. I am throwing a lot of numbers at you but for historical context.

And just because when you're taking these types of steps or climbs on the ladders. I think it's worth sharing the numbers. Lebron now has 10,338 assists in his career. And as I say he is 89 points shy of passing Kareem with the most points in NBA history. But even as they get a win and they beat the Knicks at the Garden in overtime.

Lebron is not letting it go. The last time they had to play into OT in Boston. Boston of course was the game in which the officials admitted that they missed a foul on his final drive to the hoop in regulation. The game was decided by the players. In Boston the game was decided by the refs.

So it was more demoralizing. We tried to but I mean obviously what happened in Boston was what happened. So tonight the game was decided in the regulation by the players. Two good defensive stops. Jalen Brunson stepping over for AD. And then AD locking down defensively. I'm giving a little help. So the game was decided by the players.

Okay I know this is not going to be popular and maybe no one wants to hear it. But are we just assuming he was going to make the free throws? So you just assume right? He gets fouled.

He's going to make free throws. And then nobody wants to hear the fact that they had just as much of an opportunity as the Celtics to win an OT. But I guess in OT that was stolen from you too?

That narrative drives me bonkers. Yes they missed a foul. But in overtime you start over.

You start fresh. How come you guys didn't win an OT then? Did they steal that from you too? Just ugh. And please we can't be assuming free throws either. It's like assuming field goals or something. Anyway I know it's not popular. I get it.

I'm in the minority with this response. But the game was not stolen from you. The game was prolonged by a missed call. But do you mean to tell me that you don't have confidence that you can win on the road in overtime? You just did it against the Knicks?

Alright I'm moving on. Lebron on his hands and knees looking up at the jumbotron to see himself on his hands and knees. Yeah that's Sean Grandy.

But it's everywhere. There's memes out there of Lebron freaking out. It was as if something much more serious happened than just a missed foul call.

I think my favorite part, and yes I'm being tongue in cheek. Was when, not just when he collapsed to the court in pure frustration and exhaustion of course. Or maybe because the foul was so egregious that he got knocked to the ground.

No that's not it. Anyway he's on his hands and knees. He's crying for the foul and then he looks up at the jumbotron to see himself crying and begging for the call. That's the age that we're in these days.

That's what real men do. That's what happens on the football field right? When a guy is streaking, let's just say he's broken away from the defense. He's going 60 yards for a touchdown. You always see these guys now look up at the jumbotrons or the big screens and see themselves running down the field.

Now that one I'm going to push back a little bit. Is that because you believe that they're looking for defense behind them? Or guys who are catching up? That was something our colleague Tiki Barber said. He said that he was the first one that I remember ever doing.

And I was like geez Tiki look it up for yourself. And I remember him saying in an interview he was like I can't look behind me because it'll slow me down. But I can look up and I know if somebody's gaining ground on me. Christian McCaffrey has done that a few times.

I will say players, you're right about all the other stuff yes. In football when they're streaking a lot of times they look up because they don't know if there's anybody behind them because the crowd noise is too much. You have no idea if somebody's going to and they don't want to get hit from behind one. They want to know if somebody's there and two they're worried about the fumble. Because that's when you fumble is when you get hit and you don't know it. So those guys are actually usually... Posture running across the goal line and don't worry about it. That's a different story.

Again those are different things and that's when you're grandstanding to the max. Usually when a player is broken free and he's looking up he just wants to know if there's anybody that's anywhere close to him. And then he could probably break into his dance at the five yard line.

Right. So football they're all looking up. But in this particular game with the Celtics and Lakers there was nothing happening except for LeBron throwing a temper tantrum. And down on the court on all fours and he's looking at himself and his performance.

Maybe he's hoping that he will get some type of an Oscar nod. Something like that. Anyway so I know I do not pose any type of a popular response to this. But I just would like to point out that in overtime it's not as though the Celtics had a ten point lead in overtime. Nope.

You had the chance to win just as well. Anthony Davis back on the court of course trying to ease back into playing shape. Not. I wouldn't say it's always. So five weeks you're out of playing shape and it's not so much that you would completely lose all of your fitness. But running the court and banging around with other guys as much as you're really allowed to do that in today's NBA.

That's a different type of shape. And so they want to be careful with him. Also want to make sure he's completely healthy. Is he ever completely healthy?

But twenty-seven points, nine rebounds for Davis. I feel good. It's going to always take time. I was out five and a half weeks. So even though I played well and I'm playing I'm starting to get my rhythm back.

Still going to take some time to get back to where I want to be, where I was. So as long as we keep winning none of that matters how I'm playing. It's all about wins right now. Especially when you're trying to chase guys to move up in the rankings.

On Spectrum Sports. That's Anthony Davis and LeBron James as I say. Eighty-nine points shy and passes a couple of different iconic point guards.

Just amazing. In fact, Steve Nash. He can be part of any celebration now because he's got a little more freedom.

And I'm probably less stressed too. I can imagine that Steve Nash is sleeping much better these days now that he's not coaching the Nets anymore. So that's one basketball game. Two of LeBron's former teams were playing on the shores of Lake Erie.

So we'll get to that a little bit. Also, it's the easiest bet in sports these days. Producer Jay said to me earlier on Tuesday. The Nuggets are playing. Jokic will have a triple-double. And lo and behold. And it wasn't even a close triple-double. He just blows that all out of the water.

Oh, I don't know. Just wait. Maybe he's going to be coming for these assist leaders. Career assist leaders or scoring leaders at some point. He's automatic these days.

He's just automatic. So a little more hoops. Also, as I said, D'Amico Ryan's introduced. Sean Payton hired. Love to hear your reaction to those two moves. And the Niners had to deliver their exit interviews and answer questions. Oh, yes.

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It was absolutely all over the place. Belongs to the Heat. 197.

This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Jason Jackson on Miami Heat Radio. So these are LeBron's two other teams. The Heat and the Cavs on the shores of Lake Erie. And this one came down to three points.

Get this. In the fourth quarter, the Heat outscored the Cavs. This was a tough quarter. It was one of those where you just kind of go in toe to toe and a little more like a rock fight in that final quarter.

21 to 18. So they outscored them by three points in the final quarter in what was a very low scoring affair. And Jimmy Butler, he's tenacious. He's one of those dirt dogs that you love to have on your team. He can score. He can set up his teammates. Obviously can defend.

He'll really do anything that it takes to win. He was one of four starters who were in double figures, 23 points and five assists as the Heat pick up this W. The more experience you have in any situation, the more comfortable and the better you're going to be. Yes, we have been a lot of close games for many years now. So anybody can take any shot.

Anybody is there to get any stop. We know what it takes to win games, whether it's close, whether it's in the second or third quarter. We've got to do that. But close games, maybe we're just starting to get the hang of this. Now, we don't feel pressure. I mean, it's a big moment in a big game, but it's what we work for. And at the end of the day, that's what you want. You want a competitive game against competitive players. And, you know, we got that tonight.

And it's been the case for most games. But I think going into the playoffs, that's what we need. You know, we need to to be in a situation. So we're prepared for anything at the end of the year. So Tyler Hero, 18 points, along with Jimmy Butler. And he makes a great point. I've said this a bunch about the defense of the Niners, right?

It's my little segue here. And also the defense of the Chiefs. When you've got guys who have played in such big games, and you've got guys, and granted, there are rookies and there are first-year guys. But when you have appeared on these playoff stages more and more, and this applies to the Heat certainly, you get more comfortable. And Tyler says now we don't even feel the pressure. The best athletes, the ones with the ability to draw on that experience from all of these pressure cookers that they've been in before, those are the ones for whom the game slows down.

Those are the ones who you can count on to make smart decisions, even when the stakes are the highest. And so, yeah, you talk about the Niners defense and how much pressure was on them this year because of the challenges with the quarterback situation. Now, granted, Brock Purdy was a huge revelation. I love how patient he was and how willing he was to use the people around him as opposed to needing to be the center of the show.

As a rookie, I'm going to prove to you all that I'm not Mr. Irrelevant. So I do appreciate that about what he did. But it was obviously on the defense, too. You go through not one quarterback, not two quarterbacks, but three quarterbacks, and you recognize that the defense can never really have a letdown.

They take pride in what they do, tenacious and tough and physical and smash mouth and brash and bold and all of those things under D'Amico Ryans, as a matter of fact. And so you understand the defense took pride in its craft as well. But really, if you look at the Chiefs, too, the Chiefs' other conference, completely different situation, but it also applies to them because they've been in five consecutive AFC championships, the core of the defense and the offense, about to go to their third Super Bowl in the last four years. You wouldn't look at that Chiefs defense and say, it's great.

You wouldn't hold it up next to the Niners or the Eagles and say, this is one of the best defenses in the league. No, but what they do is draw on experience. They draw on that confidence in pressure situations. And how often do we see that Chief Stee come up with big plays?

When they have to have it, they come up with the takeaway or a big sack. And they do have stars. And they've got young guys, too, that can really develop. But what impresses me, what stands out is that they show up in the most intense, pressure-packed moments.

And a lot of that is experience. And that's what Jimmy's talking about. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. All right, so a little bit from the Niners and then we'll do more coming up later on. But their exit interview is taking place on Tuesday, even as they find out that they are losing their defensive coordinator, D'Amico Ryan. So Nick Bosa, how much does that impact you? I'm just going to miss his smile every day, his positivity, and just his knowledge of the game. I'm going to miss just how he appreciated the defensive line and how he made sure to make us feel like he appreciated us. And he let us know that every day.

So it helped us work even harder for him. But I trust Kyle that he'll replace him with the best guy possible who will have the right mindset and the same principles that D'Amico had. And I think D'Amico is going to go build a really good team somewhere else. We'll hear more about D'Amico Ryan's coming up later on again. Lots of different Niners players spoke. But at least to whet your appetite. There's a lot with Brock Purdy. There's also Trey Lance. We'll just leave you with some of it, not all of it.

Because then you'll have to keep coming back. Do you remember on Sunday evening, I played for you a clip from Fred Warner. After Brock Purdy said how sad he was for the Niners veterans who wouldn't get the chance to go back and find redemption at the Super Bowl if they were denied another trip. He felt like that was on him because he had gotten hurt. And Fred Warner responded with, no, he has nothing to be sad about. He's the reason we're here right now.

Well of course that made it back to Brock. I love these guys. I appreciate them.

Just their leadership and they've been through this year after year after year. And for them to have respect for what I've done and the way I've handled my stuff. I appreciate that about them and I've learned so much from them. George has taken me in and Fred and Eric, all those guys have just shown me what it looks like to be a pro. And I appreciate them for that. They've got my back and you can do all this talking and stuff. But it comes down to going out in the field and doing your thing and producing for the team and for the guys. And so for them to have respect for what I've done, I really appreciate that.

It means a lot to me. So it doesn't get any better than this locker room right here. He has such a great respect around him for his teammates, his coaches, the game, the challenges, the guys who have played before him. Remember his first start was against the Buccaneers and he had the opportunity to play in the same game as Tom Brady.

He is obviously a mature young man and brings a lot of that poise to the table. We've heard that about Brock from his coaches. Now a little more about his injury coming up later on because they were seeking second opinions, or at least he was, hoping that he would not have to have a surgery. I also appreciate that Brock gives us very long answers so we get a lot of information from the young QB. Straight ahead though, Lindsey Rhoads on the coaching hires, potential quarterback carousel, the Super Bowl.

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