June 29, 2022 3:13 pm
Acclaimed film director and writer Ron Shelton joins Rich in-studio to discuss his new book ‘The Church of Baseball’ about the making of his baseball classic ‘Bull Durham’ including the story of how he nearly lost out on landing Kevin Costner as the lead role of Crash Davis, how Susan Sarandon landed the role of Annie alongside Tim Robbins’ Nuke LaLoosh, says why Coster is so believable and relatable in his sports movies, reveals how he mined his own professional baseball career for some of Bull Durham’s story lines, and takes a look into the future and tells Rich what became of some of his more memorable characters including Crash and Nuke, Happy and Coach Pete from ‘Blue Chips,’ Billy Hoyle and Gloria from ‘White Men Can’t Jump,’ and Roy McAvoy and David Simms from ‘Tin Cup.’
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Baker's the one, you're breaking up with me, I'm breaking up with you first. Earlier on the show ESPN MLB insider Jeff Passan, Panthers wide receiver DJ Moore, PGA Tour golfer Mark Hubbard. Still to come, writer and director Ron Shelton. And now it's Rich Eisen.
Yes it is Ken Confirm. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air here from Los Angeles, California. We've already been on the air for a couple of hours. If you missed our first hour chat with Jeff Passan who covers baseball for the worldwide leader in sports. Talked a little Freddie Freeman and Angels Mariners brawl with him.
In hour number one DJ Moore of the Carolina Panthers in hour two. Great chat with Mark Hubbard who is a grinder on the PGA Tour who got in last week's Travelers because Brooks Koepka left for the Live Tour and he popped on our radar screen and we said let's talk to him. And if you missed any of those conversations youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show but thrilled to have here in studio in hour number three. One of my favorite people that Susie and I have had the pleasure of getting to know and meet in our time here in Los Angeles, California. The author of this book that I'm holding up in my hands that's available wherever you can get your books on Tuesday, July the 5th. It is a terrific book called The Church of Baseball, The Making of Bull Durham, Home Runs, Bad Calls, Crazy Fights, Big Swings, and a Hit.
None other than Ron Shelton. Great to see you sir. I'm just happy to be here. Hope I can help the ball club. You appreciate that. You've been called up. You've been called up into the starting status here on this program.
For the El Segundo 18. Hey man, congrats on the book. Thank you. I cannot wait to voraciously take this in. This appeared at our house Susie and our house on Tuesday. I'm like wait a minute Ron's got a book? What the hell's going on?
And boom here you are on a Wednesday because your schedule was awesome to be free. Why write the book? First of all, first of all. Yes. Before coming here I brought a signed copy. I wasn't sure the publisher copy got you.
Yes. But I want you to look at it because I just watched in the green room Tim and my godson Jack Henry and Tim said his favorite line from the movie. Now I've signed this two hours ago for you and Susie. Okay this is great. Okay this is great.
Oh no way. This is kind of like newlywed game stuff right? Like you wrote it down before. So again you're referring to when Tim and Jack Henry Robbins were here on this show last March and in advance of your appearance here last hour we showed a clip from that conversation where you asked, Chris, right? You asked Tim Robbins his favorite line from the movie and he said the rose goes in the front. Rose goes in the front. All right that's the setup here. So you signed this to Susie and I.
Okay Rich and Susie my friends the rose goes in the front. Always remember that Ron Shelton. That's awesome.
One more thing while we're on domestic. Yes. You have best dad ever. Yes sir. I promised to embarrass my son who just gave me these socks for father's day. Can we get those?
Let's see what we got here. It's a super dad. You've got super dad socks. That's my son. There you go Anton.
There you go. Very nice socks for father's day. That's such a father's day gift. The scary thing is he's 18. He just graduated from high school.
All league catcher I met. I'm not doing it but that was his basically I got those socks and yeah. So are you raising a Crash Davis in your own household?
Yeah I am. Pretty much. So let's get in let's get into the book here. Like why did you decide to write a behind the scenes or a making of Bull Durham? It was an accident that happened because I wrote something about it and a literary agent got it and said I can you want to write a book? I can sell it. I had no intention to ever write a book and then the pandemic hit and I'm home. Yeah. So I wrote a book but the introduction to the book tells a couple stories about why.
Over the years I'm always asked about the movie. There's so much misprinted about it. Harrison Ford was not offered the part.
Cher was not offered. There's so much crap out there. Yes. And I went to Durham excuse me about four years ago for the 30th anniversary of the movie and I was I'm like mayor down there because the town was boarded up when we made the movie and then the economy came back and everybody says the movie must have done it. So I'm like I could be a mayor seriously and I get the red carpet treatment every time and Durham by the way is incredibly nice place to live now. Everything's fixed up and the abandoned warehouses or condos and the new ballpark the whole thing. So I'm down there and before the game I'm doing a Q&A with fans. They got 500 people in a section of the 12,000 seat ballpark and this couple says we they get the mic and they say we moved.
My husband and I moved to Durham because of the movie. Can we take a picture with you and our two sons? I said sure come on down here. So the Durham ball team had a photographer in the local paper and the boy was 10 and the boy was eight and I'm posing and I looked down at the boy and I said what's your name? He said my name is Crash and I looked at the mother and I looked at the young one I said I'm afraid to ask what's your name? And he looked at the mother and she says tell him son and he says yep I'm Nuke.
Get out of here. So I said I gotta write a book. Me and their kids Crash and Nuke. If they're naming their kids after these guys you know it's time for me to tell my version of the story so that's that's honestly what triggered it. Did they get candlesticks for their wedding?
They will I've already got them picked down. Because you know I hear that's the that's a good thing to get for somebody's wedding. My gosh that is so cool and and the the great part about this book too is it's about the making of the movie and how the hell did you get this made Ron because you had zero standing in in the film community right in the screenwriting community. I was lucky I was very lucky and you know what is opportunity meets whatever that line is and and there's a chapter that reads like a thriller about how close it came to not getting made and it came down to the minute of losing Costner and some everybody turned it down twice with Kevin attached every studio.
Who are you? You've never made a movie and uh minor leagues who cares. Script was already written Kevin attached right and then I got Kevin attached. How did you get Kevin Costner attached before we continued? I knew his agent and I sent her the script and she didn't care if I was had a big career yet. I had a writing career not a directing career and she liked me and she gave it to Kevin and Kevin liked it. He was about to do another movie and he was having creative differences with the other movies so there was this like brief window that if I could land the big fish and we did in the nick of time. I mean it's I had 30 days to get the movie made or he had to go do everybody's all-american a football movie yes uh that Dennis Quaid later started right Frank DeFord story and his agent his big agent wanted him to do the other movie and his younger agent wanted him to do my movie and on the last day we'd been turned down everywhere at Thursday we lose him at six o'clock Friday Kevin for the other movie because he can't not have a job in the sure and we called Orion Pictures in New York. I had written under fire for them which they loved it was not a hit here but it was a big hit in Europe and Kevin had a movie in the can for six months there called No Way Out that they were afraid to release because he ends up being a communist spy in it right but an incredible movie boy will or Ron I mean all we remember is the back of the limo with Sean Young but and Gene Hackman yeah great movie yes right anyway they had sat on it because they didn't know what to do and it was late August which was the the burial ground for movies in those days yes school hasn't started everybody's on vacation and I said we we called them Kevin and I and in those no email in those days so we called his agency William Morris in New York and said run over two hard copies they're still in their office at seven o'clock and I said to them you've we gotta know tomorrow because Kevin will do the other movie and at noon the next day they called and said it's three o'clock in New York mm-hmm they said does he are you really gonna lose him I said I'm not lying we're gonna lose him and by Monday we had a greenlit movie and five weeks later we were shooting no five weeks later yeah just under the gun I mean it would have never and I don't think I'd ever got it made so and then between that I've got Ron Shelton here on the Rich Eisen Show his new book we're just getting just a slice of the stories of small little slivers stories in the making of Bull Durham the church of baseball the making of Bull Durham new book that you can start getting on July 5th where all books are required so uh what about the rest of of that of the cast I know you you you told this story before on the show but we might as well tell it again here how Susan Sarandon was not a shoe-in either well we talk in the book I talked about something called The List with a capital L right every studio network streaming company has has a list of actors and actresses that are acceptable finance for financing purposes at any given moment but but the list keeps changing names come off and on it so you're trying to cast the movie from people that are on the list in the lead parts the secondary parts no matter and she wasn't on the list well we didn't know why and other women were on the list and then off the list it was a nightmare and her agent kept calling see and I kept saying she's not right for the part well I knew she was right for the part but I can't tell the truth that she's not on the list because that's giving away company secrets and then the studio head starts screaming at me right and I haven't even started my career yet so so finally the agent says she's in she's living in Italy with her two-year-old and she's gonna fly in her own time from Italy to LA will you see her and I said yes I'll see her if she flies I mean I can't not see her right so I said Kevin be here in the office out of respect and Susan comes pretty much from the airport in this killer tube dress man number two brothers yes I do it has horizontal red and white stripes and you know Susan can stop traffic yes and she comes in boldly and she looks she doesn't look like she got off a 14-hour flight right guarantee you I think her kid and the nanny were in the car to get her out in the parking lot sure and she comes in she just owns the room she just pushes Kevin around and charms him and you know charms everybody and and she leaves and so we're all sitting around it's late in the day on a Friday I think we said well she was great but she's not on the list what are we going to do what we do is what I always do I pour a drink you know it took slow the mind and uh about an hour later I get a call from Mike Medavoy who ran the studio yes and he said you know I was looking at the list here he didn't know we just met her and Susan Sarandon I saw her a couple of weeks ago at an event and she's looking great so let's put her on the list and we knew that he didn't see her two weeks ago she was in Italy two weeks ago what she did was she went straight from the meeting to Orion Pictures started working her way up and down the hallway until she found Medavoy's office and dazzled all the men in the hallway left for the airport to fly back to Italy and he put her on the list because of that red and white tube dress I guarantee and that's how Annie was born and she gets to Italy and gets a call that she's been hired because I hired her immediately and so she has to fly from Italy to Durham so did she love the script too is that what happened I mean she just she's been you had her hello at the script and everything else she knew the script I mean she didn't carry it around she auditioned like like ready to shoot and how did Tim Robbins get attached to this because again your godson is Jack Henry and that was the funny thing when he was here on studio is like this is the movie that that created me because this is where his parents met so how did Tim that was the hardest part to cast because some of the athletic guys were like young versions of Kevin and you couldn't have a young you couldn't have a 20 year old version of Kevin when you had the 36 year old version of Kevin right why would she go with the younger version so you had somebody very different and and he came in he was what six foot four or five he's a big big guy and he was youthful and a bouillon and you know he he was 30 playing 19 he had such a boyish face and he was just so different than Kevin that I put them in a room together and I thought that's great chemistry because they just they're so different that you know chemistry and movies the book talks about this has to be two people are completely different you know you can't put I mean that's why Bogart would work with Paul Henry he wouldn't work with another tough guy Nicholson doesn't work with another tough guy he works with somebody different so anyway I was very lucky to find him and he also he I thought he had never made a movie he had made one and they didn't tell me about it called Howard the Duck which was the biggest bomb in history I know right he was the lead in it but he didn't tell me the agents didn't tell me so I tried though right yeah after I hired him somebody said you hired the lead in Howard the Duck I said you're kidding me but he was great of course he was Ron Shelton here on the Rich Eisen show before we take a break I just want to ask this question you must have some terrific insight on it I have some idea of it but I'd love to hear from you Costner is in Bull Durham Costner is in Tin Cup which we're going to talk about a little bit in the next segment as well Costner in Field of Dreams Costner made his own sports movie as well in For Love of the Game and he was terrific in Draft Day when I thought we would never see him in another sports movie again and it was just one of those moments at the end of that move where he just dominated the scene and it was you made you love sports and love the moment why do you think he's so perfect for those moments in these movies Ron Shelton I think he's a great fit for me because we both came out of working families you know we didn't grow up with a I mean he was from Ventura I'm from Santa Barbara but we weren't didn't have a silver spoon in our mouth and we had working parents and you know and we were high school athletes and junior high athletes and in my case of college and beyond athletes so we both came out of not totally dissimilar backgrounds and kind of had to claw our way into the business you know I mean I used to knock on doors and leave scripts and stuck pass them out like a homeless guy in the street read my script here's my number and so I think he's a hard worker and I'm a hard worker and we both really respect how difficult sports is at a high level or at any level and a lot of people who are just fans don't get this is a tough way to make a living you know and I think movie making is very athletic it's preparation preparation preparation and then action you know the whistle blows the the ball is kicked off the ball is tipped the first pitch of the game and suddenly all that preparation becomes an instinctive and intuitive not rational anymore so making a movie is very similar to playing a game what about a relatability factor though too right I mean like you you've gotta it's not just believing him as an athlete there there's just I'm just trying to find like what because he's great in everything he does I mean even now right here on on peacock you could see all of yellowstone and everything that the guy does is spectacular I'm a huge fan he knows that too but I just wonder what because we we talk about it all the time like sports movies who's the greatest actor in sports movies well who's been in the ones that resonate the most the longest and it's him it's him by far it's not even close correct yeah not even close he you know I played pickup basketball with him he's a good basketball player you know how many how hard is it to look decent hitting a golf ball it's the most difficult of all of them you know he could be in a basketball movie I mean he could have then he could probably ice skate be an hockey he's just a natural athlete and you can't teach that you can't teach athleticism right the church of baseball the making of bull Durham home runs bad calls crazy fights big swings in a hit let's take a break I want to hit on go down a little bit of memory lane and also spin forward if you're up for it some of the characters and some of your other iconic films that you put out there Ron Shelton now an author to go along with his screenwriting and directing credits back here on the Rich Eisen show in a moment Ron Shelton back here on the Rich Eisen show you so okay okay he could have gone into any college except he wasn't interested in books and he signed right away and like three years later was with Henry Aaron in the major soccer now it's 1957 we don't have a television yet and we're at sunday school my dad gathers us up we're going to skip church we're like terrified that god is going to strike and he throws us all into the giant station beat up station wagon right my mom's like okay with it something's up we get home and there's a guy from the local department store installing a tv because it was the fourth game of the world series the yankees the braves against the yankees and the and the braves were down two games to one and they were trailing and we watched the game and we kept waiting god is going to come and get us man we're skipping and in the 10th inning eddie matthews hit a three-run home run to win the game win the game yes and we started going to church less that's why this is called the church of base eddie matthews released us from the old testament that is amazing when did you decide you wanted to play baseball professionally ron when did that happen when i was three probably uh but in high school i was the little scrappy guy i wasn't very big but i would like to chuck up that much and just hit singles everywhere right and then in one year i grew to 61180 and so when i was a freshman in college suddenly like no d1 school would have been interested in me in high school but suddenly in freshman in college everybody was scouts were saying wait a minute where'd this guy come from because i had skills i just didn't have size and and then i realized i have i'd have a shot i was going to get drafted as a sophomore but i wanted to keep playing basketball and baseball so i signed was after my senior year with who the oriel's the oriel's okay so you were always in the oriel's system pretty much i thought i was going to sign with the angels and then my whole career i was in the oriel system right who who is with you in the oriel system that we well the there's a funny story in here i i signed i went to from lax from santa barbara to bluefield west virginia in the middle of coal country the rookie league the appalachian league and i get there i'm a third baseman and there's 40 there's 50 60 guys there the season starts the next day and i'm going but there's only 25 roster spots so 60 guys thought they were on a team and they still were still competing and i looked at and there's less guys taking infield at short than anywhere else so i said i'm a shortstop this is true and i made the team it's a really great story and started the next night and two weeks later joe altobelli is starting his career as a as a as a manager after a career crash davis kind of career yes cup of coffee in the big leagues triple a star he calls me in and he says son big cigarette he's how'd you like to play second base and i said oh no i'm playing shortstop i'm killing it i'm hitting third i haven't made an error and he says well they just oriel just signed their number one pick a kid out of long beach named bobby gritsch bobby gritsch i said he's got to beat me out and he says son he's already beat you out he's the number one pick they give him a lot of money how much money they give you i said well what i said what about our second baseman jimmy morrell he's doing great just on the cam we's his son do you want to play second base or do you want jimmy morrell to play second base and i said skip i love second base and jimmy morrell is gone the next day and welcome to pro baseball i thought for some reason you were saying third base you had to move off it because brooks robinson was going to be living there anyway for forever and a day so i thought let me tell you when i got to triple-a yeah that we had a triple-a third baseman who had been four years in a row international league also didn't get a cup of coffee in the big leagues till he was 32 years old it was mike ferraro he's a hell of a player because he was insurance for brooks and rather than sit on the bench in baltimore they wanted him to be sharp and so he played every day and not getting a chance in the big leagues unbelievable yeah that's what a story that is that's what a story that is yeah what a story that is that's unreal because he was a bit of the inspiration not his personality but his dilemma for crash davis i'd imagine so right that you're there and you want to be in the bigs but they need you to stay sharp so you go where you can get the ab's and brooks robinson's never gonna he hardly missed anything he never missed a game unbelievable and then the other guy who was inspiration was i write a lot about this guy steve dalkowski who's considered the hardest thrower ever played by almost everybody and in the minor leagues in bakersfield he would show up begging money he was an alcoholic and then he would come to the clubhouse and joe joe altavoli who was my manager most of my career he would go out and give him money and we'd say who is that joe he said that's steve dalkowski and these stories of dalkowski started coming out he he he'd been in the baltimore organization for i think 10 years right he his average his career was 13 strikeouts 13 walks a game he had one game was 20 strikeouts 20 walks come on oh yeah no he's like through 300 400 pitches he was a little lefty and i mean the legends are i write about him sure in the thing and yeah he took him all these years to and earl weaver a minor league manager in double a got him to like sandy kovak don't throw so hard steve just don't throw 100 miles an hour just throw 80 percent and so he had this great year in triple a and he made the major league roster after 12 years and he hurt his arms spring training building a bunt come building a bunt so he gets to triple a and he was an alcoholic too dalco dalco died in covid sadly in a restaurant so dalco was his to triple a after all these years in the minors yeah and they room him with joe altabelli who's a 36 year old triple a veteran because he's so one guy's so mature and the other guy's a mess and they said joe your job is to mature him and just keep an eye on him and and i said what was that like and joe says the old line he says i don't know i roomed with his suitcase because he was out drinking all night and that became that relationship wow of nuke and of dalkowski and joe altabelli not the specifics of their character but the dynamic became nuke and crash became bull Durham Ron Shelton here on the rich eisen show all right let's let's have a little bit of fun here if you're uh up for it even though i haven't told you about it so hopefully you are up for it we have two characters from four of your films including bull durham where now everything there's the you know there's sequel mania once again certainly with top gun maverick making a billion dollars worldwide i'm wondering if we i'll give you two characters you tell me where you think they are today off the top of your head ron shelton okay we're going to start with uh from the film uh bull durham as we've just discussed where where is crash davis today would you think crash davis uh got it went to the minor started in visalia as a manager and he's worked his way up and has taken him all these years and durham is now a triple-a town so he's worked his way up to durham which used to be a gateway to oblivion and now it's possibly the gateway to the big leagues so he's on the verge of actually getting to the big leagues as a manager and that's how we we find crash davis right now there's other there's other things okay annie where is it is annie still with her right now well it didn't work out i i outlined in the in in the afterward of the book yes the outline for the sequel i once had that didn't happen okay everybody's too old now but yet after they carry it didn't work because she's not going to travel around being the supportive wife of you know snitker's wife or whatever and i love i love brian snitker by the way that's a great like that sounds like a rejected neil simon movie right the snitker's wife snitker's wife all right well she's an angel all those wives are angels sure right yeah i mean uh-huh andy reid's wife jesus what they right so um and i i love snitker and i love andy reid so i can use their wives sure yeah so so uh it doesn't work because she can't do that so she ends up teaching in the sorbonne in paris as an expert on edith piaf the singer singer who she's always playing in her house that's right that's right well who and she's like the legendary french singer but who is susan really an expert on about piaf's life who is piaf's love big love marcel sardone the the middleweight boxing champion um there's movies been made about this that her love was an athlete piaf's so she falls in love she thinks with a french director but she doesn't realize that it's not real love until she goes back to teach one year at duke university ah and runs into the manager crash so where has nuke been yes that's the next one yes nuke's been in venezuela working on a knuckleball and he hasn't even noticed that the country's gone to hell and who discovers him down there well robert wool never gets to the big leagues as pitching coach larry hockett he ends up being a scout which is the worst job in the world and he ends up in in latin america where at least you find great players in venezuela but there's no economy so he's living in a in his car and he discovers nuke with a pretty good jim boughton you know knuckleball and they're reunited and he manages he calls the big club and says look there's always room for knuckleball i believe me you this guy first round draft big this month so where does he go goes to durham and they're all reunited wow that's a movie that'll never get made oh i'm all in let's get the time machine rod sheldon here on the rich eyes let's play a little where are they now from blue chips okay uh coach pete bell what happened to him where's where's coach pete bell right now do you think uh he's in turkey he's in the turkish basketball league okay which is actually pretty good league yeah he's coaching the women's team fantastic there's some really interesting stories there was a woman that played for the la sparks who um i tried to get the rights and it was too complicated although now and the demands of the business the mandates maybe she was you know big strong power forward um you know lesbian it's a common in that league and she was also muslim and trash talker and she was really funny i'm not going to mention her name okay she ends up in in a getting in trouble here in the wmba and for a charge that was later dropped it was a false charge and she ends up in the turkish league this is true where she's mvp and she's a phenomenon in turkey because she's talking trash on and off the court they love her and the nba wmba forgives her they realized the charge was false and she has a chance to come back and the team she picked was whatever the washing dc women's team was called because she had a crush on condoleezza rice this is a true story she said i want me some candy i want me some candy i the woman told me this i said this is a movie man i can do this but i couldn't get anybody interested so you're you would weave coach pete bell and he said yeah he would be coaching her okay and then the other uh character from blue chips are wondering about what where's happy kuykendall today where's the booster today do you think name a university well let's see we have an idea western universities that he runs the western university nil program right oh yeah i think yeah name image and likeness yep it's because now his world happy's world is yeah he's codified he's the new sunny vacaro you know don't you think yeah he's always oh he's made it he's yeah he's like the guy who's the who's the guy i wrote a script about him that'll never get made the valco lab um oh victor conti victor conti i parked outside victor conti's house one and waiting for him to come out and pin him down he was the guy selling all the drugs to everybody yeah right and it was busted big by the paper and the great book called game of shadows came out of course i remember that yeah great book we optioned that too and conti now conti who's the biggest drug dealer ever is now leading the anti-drug charge working with the wada and the and all that it's like he's seeing the light you're the you were you were you know dream in the clear you're pablo escobar and now you're the dea how do you do that so happy's working for victor conti all right next up where are they now ron sheldon it's just off the top of your head he had no ron has no idea this is all coming where is billy hoyle today do you think ron sheldon it's like we're workshopping we're in the no no billy's billy's sad i think i think billy never escapes you know he's working you know the best he can do is work for caltrans with an orange vest leaning on a broom by the side of the road that would be good for billy that's where billy hoyle that would be the best but probably he's working in a rec center somewhere you know sweeping the floor and trying to play horse games with young kids i just i don't think at least in my i think he was doomed no kidding yeah wow does that bum you out chris kind of i mean you could kind of see that by the end of the movie that billy is just kind of trapped in a world that by his own doing he can't get out of and uh it does make sense even though you want what's best for him because he's a very likable guy i'm gonna go off the road here how'd you get marcus johnson for that movie how'd you get him marcus auditioned and i love him from when he was a great high school player at crenshaw high to ucla he auditioned he read for the role yeah marcus johnson yeah and did you know he was coming in like marcus should the marcus johnson was coming in to read for the role i saw who was coming in and i said this is this is marcus johnson was he the only nba player that came in to read for that role do you remember yeah okay yeah but he was um he was um marcus a great guy by the way yeah really great guy and people forget what a dominant player he was till he hurt his neck he got hit in the car accident but he was like all pro his first six or seven years and the wooden award went i mean he was very believable in this role and he was gonna go get his gun that's for sure don't go to the glove boxes where is uh and then the next one where is gloria clementi today where do you think glory is oh she's gigantic she's gigantic because she is made for this world of uh social media and you know i mean she would be all these women and men who have giant careers and you don't know what they do when she actually does stuff all right she would she would be dwarfing card the kardashians right now she'd be the all-time jeopardy champ right now like she'd be ken jennings would she be like that i doubt okay she would have leveraged her appearance no doubt about that uh last one for you uh where is roy makovoi today from tin cup where do you think roy is today he's on the live tour roy would never join the live tour you think you would join the live tour i hope not because i love the live tour because that was our choice for where david simms is today we'll give you one here yeah yeah you're right sims is on the live tour and he's probably on the board with with patrick reed and all those guys greg norman we think that he would be the guy who stalks the players on the pga tour to call him up on behalf of greg norman to say you should come like he's that's what david simms is doing macaroi has too much soul he just um he's playing on some satellite tour somewhere senior satellite tour but yeah the live tour don't get me started i mean i'm you made your choice fine let me let me pose this you didn't ask the question but go for it people who say well the u.s government does business with governments have a job of self preservation of nations this is different what if i said if you defend the live tour blood money and all i said okay what if kim jong-un starts a tour in north korea backed by chinese money and he doubles the live tour money do you have any qualms about taking that money and what's the difference you would ask this of the players on the live tour what's the difference where do you draw a line they're saying they're growing the game ron well they're not growing the game they're going their bank account i mean it's also not competitive it's it's it's exhibition golf think about it all these guys are supposed to be political conservatives who say i got no beef with you there's no free lunch you got to earn it that's what competition is about the winner gets the you know sport wait here's a hundred million dollars it doesn't matter if you win or lose it's exhibition golf and you play three rounds think about that yeah it it defies everything that sports is about now matt wolf says look i can't deal with the you know he's just having meltdowns i just need it if it's exhibition golf i'll take it at least he was honest about it but you're not growing golf that's why david simms is doing it oh yeah you're right he's on the board that's we were thinking where but roy does roy ever make it back to a major what do you think he did in my uh in the sequel that we tried to get warner's to make and then warner's was changing heads of studio and they we had we a sequel is going to be called cup at the q and he goes to q school oh man and and we couldn't sell that on so i saw then i wrote with john norville who wrote dinner cup with me yeah played at stanford really good player and writer we wrote a movie called q school just forget it and then costner was going to do it but we couldn't we couldn't make deals with everybody we had a deal two years ago and it all fell apart so cup at the q school so he costner would have got had to go back to try and get his tour card again that was trying to get his tour card again yeah by finishing in the top 10 at the open you get invited next year to a couple of yes things but you're not you don't get your tour card right so yes the character would have had to gone back and qualify and i hung out i went to the q school a couple times and hung out down at palm springs see what's up just to see what yeah and lead jans was there he has two us opens he was trying to get his card again wow think about that it's crazy man i would be into a roy mccavoy prequel because there are all the legendary stories about how great he was and like him and a young cheech marin and then what happened and then well what do you think about that meltdown can kevin play 30 there's plenty of young guys well i know then you have to recast it yeah i don't get josh lucas to do it right i mean isn't it a little yellowstone connection right there i don't know josh lucas is a good golfer that i got a call from an agency yesterday and from the producing partner on tank up saying there's two names i'm going to use them uh no i won't use them but i'm going to meet with them they mean a lot and they're golf nuts as actors they want to develop it as a series and i said i'll sit down and hear your idea because warner brothers owns the rights i i don't have the they have to buy in but there's still an area to be mined yeah i think in that i think so too no question about it ron no no doubt about it and you know who would be producing partners of course the people who he's uh inscribed the book to come on now get the rose in the front the church of baseball the making of bull durum home runs bad calls crazy fights big swings and a hit must read material from ron sheldon you are the man anytime ron anytime you know that you're the best when i come back i come back i forgot to do this yes i got a bobblehead okay for you okay of me okay one face is a director one's a baseball player because a couple years ago i got into the rochester red wing hall of fame okay and i went back there with my wife and son who hadn't didn't know that part of me way back sure and i didn't know it but they gave me a bobblehead and it was very moving to get a bobblehead yeah do you have one uh i do actually um it's up on the wall over there and um that's part of the reason why you know what you got one more segment left in you let's take a break we got ron sheldon here for one more segment that's why we'll wrap up the show on the rich eyes and show in a second back here on our terrestrial radio outfit you told a story about you had a bobblehead doll that that you had made and whatever i didn't it was made in your it was made in your on your behalf okay rochester new york the rochester red wings yeah i played my last year and a half and had great fondness for it we had a great team and won all these championships and i was called back there even though i probably made more hits after rochester than at rochester but it was great and i went there with my son and my wife lolita and uh because they'd never seen me that part of my life yeah that was a long time ago sure and that's pretty neat and my son threw out the first pitch and i've signed about 1800 bobbleheads it's hard to sign a bottle i can imagine so i mean you asked me if i had one made and and and so here's the story is i i was towards the end of my espn tenure and i was beginning to feel like maybe espn wasn't really the place for me long term which was really freaking me out because it was such a part of my identity and it was like i won the lottery as a 26 year old to come from reading california's abc affiliate to be on sports center at the heyday um and the thing that really made me feel that way is that espn management made bobbleheads of sports center anchors and i wasn't one of them what and so right so i thought to myself you know writing's on the wall well how the writing's on the wall how petty is it of me to go into management to complain why don't why don't you make a bobblehead of me like there's no win there except i just internalized it it's just you know having that writing on the wall so uh when i was hired at nfl network and i i i reached out to during the difficulty of my negotiations to him as a as just to ask him for advice with steve bornstein who was the former president of espn and then had moved to nfl network and he wound up hiring me a second time which shows just how smart of an executive he really is i told him at the time i'm like i'm not feeling it at espn right now and he said why and i told him that story and i had no idea i think he i thought like he's going to look at me like i'm crazy i had no idea that he had remembered it and when i got hired at nfl network he made these bobbleheads of me holding up a number one jersey because i was his first round draft choice of nfl network there's only like six of these and he gave me a note saying you know you're bobblehead worthy to me which is well like i i get emotional just even seeing this crazy thing i get it and that's really smart management by bornstein too yeah because you know i i think somewhere in the book it says give a movie star a million dollars or give him 100 000 in his own parking space he'll take the parking space i hear you and this thing is also too is it just reminds me of the time i had uh i had hair um you know if you bobble the hair it doesn't come out ron you know it's one of those things um at any rate just you know wanted to tell that story since you asked um thanks for coming on man greatly appreciate it congrats on this book uh are you gonna go on a tour of any store like that or what i do a bunch of stuff starting tuesday in la and then i go to new york on the 25th of july okay for a week of stuff and then i go to durham for three days so you're gonna sign you're gonna sign books and things like that yeah and they do a film forum screening and i do book signings all over the place and then a lot of interviews uh and then durham which i requested for three days which is my favorite part of it i love that that is so great they're they just love everything about this movie there and i know anytime we talk about it i see the durham bulls retweet it and they're they just go crazy for it is there like a website that people can find out when you're coming into town or anything like that so i don't know i have no social media including websites nothing you got nothing zero zero you're old school when it comes to school i don't have time i love that um thank you for coming on this uh on the show ron congratulations the church of baseball again where all books are acquired starting july 5th day after our uh nation's birthday the making of bull durham home runs bad calls crazy fights big swings and a hit i want to thank you ron shelton also today's guests uh uh dj moore uh mark hubbard uh a long time grinder on the pga tour and jeff passan of espn robert griffin the third is on tomorrow's program and so much more we'll see you on thursday for the real story behind some of wrestling's biggest moments it's something to wrestle with bruce prichard and conrad thompson too all-time hogan opponents macho man's gotta be in the conversation 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