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844-204-RICH is the number to dial right here on the program. Getting ready to come out after his movie premiered here in Los Angeles last night, Horizon Part 1 is in theaters this very Friday. Kevin Costner, the Academy Award winning director and actor and producer and co-writer of this movie that he's been working on forever and a day, he's coming out here. And he's been on the show in studio twice before. This is his third visit. We love repeat customers, especially when they're awesome like Kevin Costner.
844-204-RICH is the number to dial on the program. Good to see you over there, Chris Brockman. Good to see you, Jay Felley.
TJ Jefferson, good to see you, sir. Let's go to the phone lines. David in Oregon is here on the program, top of hour number three.
What's up, David? Oh, man, am I really on? Yes, sir. Yeah, buddy.
This is exciting, man. Let me pull over. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, let's be good. Hold on a minute. What side of the road?
Right, left side, you put on the blinker. Let's be slow. Let's be good about this. Where are we? Are we there? Where are we? Yeah, yeah, I'm here. We're safely parked? Where are you?
Where are you? Oh, I was door dashing, man. I had the day off today, so I was like, I'm going to make some money while I'm on hold. That's what's up. Hold on a second. Wait a second. You don't have anybody's food in the car right now, do you?
No, no, no, no. Okay, very good. Okay. Awesome.
Well, we have pulled over. What's up? Yeah.
What's on your mind? I just wanted to go over the Las Vegas Raiders win-lose game. Oh, you want to play the win-lose game, don't you? Yeah. Raiders up in Oregon, huh? Oh, yeah.
Well, I used to live in the Bay Area, and I lived in Southern California too before, so. Okay. Also, I'm not sure anyone's done Raiders. I don't have. I have one here. I have Dark Side Don in Vegas did this. Okay.
And again, Chris has the list when Susie was in the chair. Yeah, no Raiders. All right, so this is the second one. Thank you, Jay. You've got the right one. All right.
The autumn wind starts in Los Angeles against the Chargers. Oh, yeah. What happens?
Oh, we're going to beat Screech's cousin. Okay. Good to know. Now you're at the Ravens. Wow, all the way across the country.
Yeah, that's a lot. Okay. Home for the Panthers. Oh, come on, man.
I think Kenny from a baby. Home for the Browns. Oh, that's a win. Three and one at the Broncos. Oh, come on. We've owned the Broncos for the past few years.
Four and one home for the Steelers. Is Russell Wilson starting? Let's say yes. Yeah.
Okay. Is Russell Wilson starting? I mean, we haven't lost to him in years, so I'm going to take that up. Five and one at the Rams back in Los Angeles. Oh, that's a home game, but I do love the Rams. Man, that's going to be a good one. I'm going to go win. All right. A five-game win streak, six and one home for the Chiefs.
At home for the Chiefs? Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot.
Okay. The five-game win streak comes to an end. Six and two at the Bengals. At the Bengals, that's a lot.
All right. Six and three off the bye at the Dolphins. Oh, that's a win. Seven and three home for the Broncos.
Oh, that's another win. Eight and three at the Chiefs the day after Thanksgiving. Do you remember what happened the day after Christmas last week? Or the day on Christmas. Yes, sir. Okay, I'm thinking yes, you're right.
The day on Christmas, oh, we're taking that. One and one with the Chiefs. All right. So now let me get this right. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine and three at the Buccaneers. Nine and three at the Buccaneers. I might actually go to that game on my flight from Oregon, so I'm going to go win. I'm going to go win. Pirate on pirate violence winds up with the Raiders being ten and three home for the Falcons on a Monday night. Home for the Falcons. I'm going to go that's our game. Eleven and three home for the Jaguars. I'm with Brockman. Minshew has a better that's been, you know, Trevor Lawrence. So I'm going to win on Raiders.
Twelve and three at the Saints. You take out Trevor Lawrence. Now here comes Derek Carr.
What do you do? Derek Carr was great while he was a Raider. I don't know what he's done.
He's been a saint, man. So I'm going home. I'm going Raiders home. Thirteen and three home for the Chargers. Oh, my goodness. Oh, we own the Chargers. Come on.
Unbelievable. Fourteen and three. One seed. One seed. The Las Vegas Raiders.
The autumn and winter wind is a pirate. Oh, yeah. I just want to remember you. You guys remember 63, 63 and 20.
Was that the score? David in Oregon. I'm glad you pulled over, sir. My man.
Because we need you to take a test. Thank you, guys. Actually, my real name is Dave Beas. I just told the guy that picked up the phone, Dave, so I could try to get on the phone line with you guys. Very good. I'm going to tell this to my friends.
I'm so excited. Good to see you, sir. Thank you for calling right here. Wow. DB?
Let me tell you something. J.D. D.B.
Oh, I thought he said D's, which means we're done talking. Listen, Raiders go fourteen and three. They're winning the Super Bowl.
That would be something else. Gardner Minshew goes fourteen and three. MVP of the league, if that happens. Coach of the year, MVP.
Defensive player of the year. That was fun. Man, I love playing the win loss game. People now suddenly want to play it. They want to call it up.
So just if you're on hold, stay on hold. We'll try and sneak one more in. But Kevin Costner is in our green room. It's time to bring him out. Nice and early for a nice long chat with one of the all time greats.
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Everybody talked about the people who had been here for fifteen thousand years. But that was the idea of America. If you were strong enough and there wasn't really any law, you could hold on to it.
You could make it yours. And when you if you play that authentically, you realize that the dynamics that happen in everything, you know, just meeting a stranger when there's no law, how do you arbitrate your problems? You have an agent, you have a lawyer, you have the police. There are people that will step in front of us, not that we can't arbitrate our own problems, but do back then. And I think it provides for real drama. You're also dealing with people like myself, you know, which is in a reality, the only possessions this guy had were on his back or on his horse. True. And he made a living.
Well, the number of times as I was watching this film and again, I highly recommend it to everyone out there, and I'm not just saying that because you're sitting here and I also root for you, is that how did people survive just even the day sometimes? How did they survive bad weather? It was inches. They weren't equipped. They didn't realize what they were going to run into. And then there was a whole other people that were going to contest it, too. And so, you know, it wasn't a 10 year thing.
It was a 200 year thing march across this country and it was done in inches. And it was done on and each each generation was saying, our children are going to have it better. And and there was the reality of the people that made their way out there, they also weren't coming back.
I mean, when you and I cross the country, it's what a meal, a movie and a nap. And then somebody's telling you to put your seat belt on. And when you said goodbye in the West, it was really a goodbye. And when you got yourself to a place, you weren't going to be able to reverse yourself. You people dug in. And so it was relentless. It was hard.
And most women work themselves to death, the women. And that's why I think even though there's an R attached to this movie, I think there's a lot of men and women after they see it are going to say, I think I'd like my son to see this. I think I'd like our daughter. She's 12.
I think it's she could see what her great, great grandmother maybe went through, because the fragility of life, you could feel it throughout this entire film, whether it's a family just going through a wonderful night under the tent with some folks in the community dancing. And then their whole world gets turned upside down an hour later. A living hell.
Right. And who makes it through the night? And then but then who can also find humanity in the face of this depravity and who can find that goodness when, you know, not much is around them.
So good. And the choice you have to make. I mean, you see a choice a young man makes, and it's to not go with his mother, to go with his father. You almost want to beat him. But then you also find the nobleness in it. And then to watch that child recognize that he made a mistake. It's you know, they're powerful and then what's going on below the surface?
The mom and dad or the mother and daughter are taken one breath at a time. And I'll revisit that moment in four. It's a novel, really. I'm going to work my way back to almost everything you see. When you're saying four, you're you're doing five of these? Is that the plan? There was a fifth one.
The first one represents the fifth one. I don't know that I'll ever do it. But that one started in 1988. When did you go to ESPN? When did you start? I started in 96.
OK. So in 88, I had this idea for this Western. Couldn't make it.
2003, couldn't make it. You know, then I had the brainiac idea of making well, I'll make four more. That's like so American.
Nobody wants that first one, dude. Right. You know, it's like, wake up, Kev. So I did. I thought about it and I thought, what would be different about it? Not different for different sake. What different is it dawned on me, these movies, even the ones we like, and I don't like that many Westerns, the town's always there.
It's always there. And the reality was that we never deal with the moment of all these towns started with a stake in the ground. They started with and what was the journey? And there's there's a lot of drama in that. Well, I mean, and that's, you know, not spoiling anything, because it is the first scene in the movie is a stake being driven down in the ground and then the rest of it is is just sprawls out.
Kevin Costner here on The Rich Isaac Show. So you're saying the idea for Horizon you first had in in 1988 is what you're saying? Yeah, it was it was a two hander. It was a traditional. I don't want to call it a butch and Sundance, but it was two guys, Alpha male characters. One, there was a girl and it was good. Make no mistake, it was good. But when I in 2012, when we began to rethink it with John Baird, we kept as many of those characters and I just reengineered them.
For instance, in that first I don't know if the audience is even interested in this crazy stuff I do, but there was one line subtext. He asked me what happened in Montana. I had some trouble with some guys. And so in going back and making these four, I got an hour of what that trouble was. And they continue to be trouble.
They can they are a relentless group. And so, OK, so I'm just trying to figure this out. So in the middle of your remarkable run of Untouchables, No Way Out, Bull Durham and Field of Dreams, you're coming up with this idea. I'm still thinking of it. OK. And then so Dances with Wolves just was totally separate?
Total separate. It just was just a no. Yeah, I don't know. I don't fall out of love. I just I I'm willing to listen to things. I truly, honestly am.
But nobody convinced me. I knew this was good. I knew every scene bugged me as a man or enlighten me that when I when I when a dad says, are you ready, son? I think so, Daddy. Oh, God, that one, I think only another man can make another man cry.
And what happens is, are you are you just so proud of the moment or you just so what? But it's like, whoa, because you know when he's going to go with his father, he's dead essentially. Yeah.
And they're they're going into the face of I give too much of this movie and his face starts to quiver. He knows. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. That that that one got me. There's a there's and some great cast in this as well.
Yeah, everybody. You know, it's an acting piece. I mean, really, you know, you think sometimes, you know, you know, I'm not racing to my gun fight. I think some of the things that I do take the place of a gunfight quite well.
And you know, I women dominate Horizon, actually, every one of my story lines, women are running right through the middle of it. Yes. Sienna Miller, spectacular in this film in particular, Jenna Malone as well.
There's there's some people from previous things that you've done that pop up in this as well. You know, Danny Houston, obviously from Yellowstone most recently, Will Patton, right, isn't he? Will Patton, you know, he goes back to No Way Out.
Yeah. James Russo. He does No Way Out with the postman. He's just an actor that bubbles up. I mean, we've seen actors like that in our lifetime. We you know, Wayne and Cooper and Stewart, they're not going to act without Walter Brennan. They're just not going to do it without these kind of actors that hand them their performance. These guys are so good. And so I bring them along.
I mean, he's playing a very tough role, but yeah. And it's, again, Horizon, American Saga, chapter one, chapter two is in theaters later this summer, August 16th, right away. I mean, you pretty much certainly that's a studio thing that like to kind of do it. I planned it, which was never been done before anyway.
It's like every four to six months, they would they would come out. I mean, you know, a lot of people and maybe this is wise, too, is like, well, let's see how people like the first one. It's like I, I said, I have to make the second one because that makes the first one make sense. I, I don't wait.
I just go. Is three and four. Where, where, where's three and four right now?
Well, they get. Well, I've started three. OK. Yeah, I'm into three. And it just gets harder at three really explodes. Three really goes, goes into another gear.
This is amazing. Kevin Costner here on the Rich Eisen show. I'll ask this question. I have no idea where it's going to go, but is there a similarity between a Western and a sports movie, do you think? Well, I think the similarity is not defined as much as their sports movies. And then somebody like Shelton comes along and redefines a sports movie that doesn't require a win. Requires a moment, something that defines us, defines our character. You know, 10 cup, the greatest 12 in history. You don't win.
The US Open crash doesn't get to the big leagues. I think Westerns have white hats and black hats. So the obligation for me is to come in at these things sideways and see if I can break your heart, see if I can rejuvenate love.
It was all happening out there. So every genre is wide open to your approach. And I think the more you are able to move your movie towards behavior.
When you have behavior, I think people can relate to you. And that's really what movies require. Then they work in any decade. You can portray any decade if you're going to lean into behavior. Interesting.
It doesn't matter what decade it is, what sport it is. They were dealing with the same things we were dealing with. And in so many ways, they were trying to raise their families.
They were around people that understood that maybe there was no law and the worst of them came out. If you believe in post-traumatic stress at the war, you believe in that, which we do, it's just gotten different names. And you think about we think about Vietnam and Iraq and all that stuff. Think about the Civil War for a second. I think there was 30 million people in the whole country about that. The whole country went to war.
So everybody touched everybody. And all those same people that saw war for four years, five years, a lot of them went West. And so you had men who had seen violence, perpetrated violence.
There was a lot of people populating the West that when they looked around and realized that maybe they could just take what they wanted, it was a recipe. It was rough. Kevin Costner here on The Rich Eisen Show. You just mentioned Ron Shelton remaking what a sports movie is. Did he have you at Hello?
Were you locked in for that? His script just spoke to me out loud because you can talk about sports all day long and say I love sports, I'm no sports or whatever. You have to read it to know and Ron knew. But then all of a sudden, you know, the beauty about him is like he is who he is. I mean, true.
I mean, a true guy. But yeah, he captured the essence of it. He understood the nobility of hitting a home run in anonymity just because it's, I mean, when you're in the minor leagues, you're not going to brag about your record to a big league player. This guy's never going to do that either.
But there was something in him as a sportsman that went, I'm like three home runs away from a record. I'm just going to buckle up and go room with an 18-year-old and hit this somewhere. Did you follow the script word for word or were there any ad-libbing? Yes.
We didn't deal. Listen, I've had about 15 scripts where we didn't mess with the line. And that's about 12 more than most people. Scripts are manipulated. Mine aren't. On Horizon, it's the Bible. But that doesn't mean during the, I hate to make sports analogies, but it doesn't mean I won't call an audible. It doesn't mean I won't see an opportunity on a daily basis. And I actually look for that. It's an edge, which means I'm on a set.
I have this script that I know works, but I'm also leaving a window of opportunity if something presents itself and I'm going to step through it. And I just do. Interesting. So there was no ad-libbing on a Boulder room, nothing like that? Not really, because it just handed us our performance.
Fascinating. And did you ever try out? I tried out on purpose. What do you mean? I knew that Ron was going to be hit with other actors where agents were going to say, my guy plays and he doesn't want to try and he doesn't want an addition.
And I wanted Ron to be able to say, well, Kevin did. And so you did? Yeah. I'm like a player coach. Huh? And like, like get in a cage and show your swing. Yeah. But I did it on purpose. Number one, to Ron it is because he is a player.
Right. I never pretended to be the athlete that Ron was. I could play a little bit, but I knew that we were going to be hit with this other thing.
And if he had that to lean on, then there was just going to be no argument. Did you hit one out during shootings? I hit two out. Two home runs. I hit two out and I'd never hit a home run in organized baseball in all my years. I just was never that kind of hitter.
So your first two career home runs were as Crash Davis? I hit two out of these minor league parks that aren't very small. They're big because they don't like losing baseballs. It was expensive.
They really don't. They like fence, bigger fence, but no, it was, we were auditioning all the athletes and we had to make up four professional teams. And some of the guys were already in, you know, in the minor league system. And everybody was just taking hitting practice. And for some reason I knew I was going to come up and God, I was just dodging this because I think I don't want to hit in front of these guys. And it's like, and not everybody was just, you know, lazy about it, the guys hitting, but I knew when I came to step up, I saw every one of their backs kind of turned to watch.
Let's watch the sissy, you know, let's see what's going to happen here. And I'm thinking, Jesus, I just couldn't believe it. So I go up there and I was very, very nervous for whatever. I'm 30. I don't know what I am anyway. You're Kevin Costner is who you are.
Come on. I had that talking about three pitches, but the first pitch, I barely, I barely hit the ball and it went drop and just kind of dropped down. And I went, wow, Jesus, uh, the second pitch, I hit a line drive to short, which wasn't a line drive.
It wouldn't even have bent the grass. It was like a dead ball or someone like this. I mean, the shortstop first moved in and all of a sudden he just like, no, he's got it. It was just like, it was limp. It came down and I stepped out of the batter's box at that moment and I went, Jesus Christ, what is wrong with you?
You're the only one that's got a job that's getting paid. And I stepped back in and I hit it over about the 365 sign and, and nobody had hit one out during that entire thing and all these guys could hit, but I'd never hit one in my life and it went out. And one other time later in the, in the, in the thing, I just dropped the bat on one of those things and it just coasted out of the, it just, it just went out. I just in principle shooting, did you hit one out? Like you're actually shooting it or no, no, it was all, it was all in, in, in, in these practice minutes, you know?
Okay. Did you, did you drop the bat and circle the bases? I mean, did you do that?
No, I, I know how to pose. I just, you know, I knew if I just stayed in there, everybody didn't make a big deal about that. Like it happens all the time, maybe only twice in my life, I should have rolled, I should have rolled around. I should have intimidated the pitcher. I should have taunted him, you know, but I hit some out of the ballparks that I'll work out with teams.
So I've, I've gotten it out three or four times. Were you concerned of doing Field of Dreams after Bull Durham about being typecast or anything like that? I didn't think that at all. I mean, I didn't realize, I'm kind of like a mongoose playing with a cobra, I think in my life. It's like, I'm not really aware of the danger at all of anything. It's like, you know, when I cast Whitney, did you know she was African American? Yes, I saw that.
Just happened to think she was the cutest girl that could sing. What's wrong with that? I didn't realize it was such a big deal. The baseball thing was, you know, their box office poison hadn't really hurt.
That's a clever term. Maybe it's because none of them were any good. And so I made the one and then the other one so distinguished itself that I didn't want to ignore it because, you know, sometimes you, you know, you go out there and you pass up the biggest, most important thing because you think you're looking for something else and you got to listen to the ticking of your heart. You have to actually understand that you might be looking for a supermodel, but take a look. The girl serving you at the restaurant's the best looking chick in the place.
You have to have your eyes wide open and kind of see it for what it is. It was great. We didn't change a line at Bull Durham. We did not change a line of Field of Dreams. And I will tell you this, we had to get lucky to take Field of Dreams where it went to because it was it was so well written, but it was almost goofy. We didn't have a fistfight.
We didn't have a car wreck. We were making our way to do you want to have a catch? And we had to negotiate this whole thing. You know, I've told this story before, but I did talk to the director because I thought Robin Williams was going to play that role. I don't know if I told you this story, but I did tell you, well, then I won't even bother you with it. But there were a lot of things had to happen. And I think him casting me helped the idea of working our way all the way to having a catch. It's beautiful. And is it true Jimmy Stewart might have been involved with this film?
No, no, I never heard that. But I but I tell you what, when Lancaster was, I got to tell you, I just I just loved being around him. He's a great actor. And I mean, I remember I started talking about the Kentucky and where then he goes, you saw that? And I said, yeah, he goes, you saw that?
Let me tell you how I did that. And I said, yeah, the scene where you run across, let me tell you how I did it. He said, first I ran. He said, what I did was I went all the way to the end and then I ran all the way back. And when I understood how quick I was going to have to be in order to load the gun and get there, that's where I started.
That's how I do everything. And you saw that? I said, yeah, I saw that. I saw that thing with Walter Matha, Walter Matha, incredible character actor.
But he was a mean son of a bitch in that thing. I saw that. You saw that? Yeah, I saw that.
He goes, you saw where the whip went under the wagon and the wheel ran over it? And I said, yeah, I saw that. We spent a lot of time talking. And he said, me and Stewart, we scared the studios, scared them to death. It was just fun to be around him.
Of course it had to be. I mean, and again, at that part of your career, as it is zooming off a rocket ship, Kevin, I mean, again, to be in a movie with Burt Lancaster as you were, and then in no way out of being around Gene Hackman, what was that like being around him? I, you know, you get on these things where people ask you questions about lists, who's the best this, who's the best that, you know, and it's, boy, you just don't want to start down that because you've worked with so many really good people and, you know, and they hear that, they go, what?
But let's get to it. If I had to say the best actor I've worked with, I would say it felt like Gene Hackman. And there was something so real about him. And if you say who's the biggest star, that's pretty easy too. Who's that? Sean Connery, the biggest star in the world. So where does De Niro rank with that?
Pardon me? Where does De Niro rank for that? Well, De Niro is this, De Niro is this exotic animal that you just see the menace and the craft and the whole thing that, that comes in.
I mean, that's why you don't make really lists, you know, what you're dealing with is somebody very formidable and, you know, it was, it was just, I've been lucky because I have worked with those guys. I thought he was legitimately going to get you at the end of Untouchables. After you put him away and he needs to be held back, I legitimately thought he was going to actually break out and get you.
Yeah. You know, and I'm, I'm playing Elliot and that's this guy that's pretty straight arrow and he's going, there's nothing but a talk and a badge, you know, you know, he's just like, you know, I was thinking, how do I deal with this? Because he was doing a lot of improv and Sean goes, Mr. Nash, come over here. And I said, because he called me Mr. Nash and, and he goes, this is how you handle that.
And Sean was just a beautiful guy, man. How'd he tell you how to handle it? He said, he's gonna blow you away. No, he, he, it was just private. It was just so private and I'll just keep that between him and I, but he thought enough of me to say, look, this is how you can handle this. I love that.
Boy, I can go so many different directions. I've got Kevin Costner here. JFK, Donald Sutherland just passed away. What was that scene with Mr. X on the park bench like? Well, you know, we had another really long one too. And that's, that scene never made it in the movie. There was a moment where Oliver needed to get his movie under three hours. And and there was 10 minute scene with me and, and, and, and Donald, and that just went and I, and I, and I talked to Oliver about, I said, why can't we go deeper into the movie and take a minute out here and a minute out there and a minute out over there and, and, and, and, and, and hold on to this one.
And I'm sure it killed Oliver to do it, but it was such a clean cut and it got him to that point. And I know what it's like to just be pressed by studios to get something and, but I got to tell you, you know, you don't have a career like Donald Sutherland, unless you're as good as Donald Sutherland. That sounds a little bit odd, but you can't do it as long as him, unless you were able to just bubble up every role that's put in, put in front of you. And I remember the first time I saw him was in MASH. I was a teenager and I, I thought, wow, this guy was really, really good. And he just, he flourished in our business because he's an actor's actor and he was good off camera too, to talk to. I could only imagine. I mean, this scene also where he's going through the, the deepest of the conspiratorial, he walks us through it in a, in a very cogent wave where it's something that'd be very, you know, if there was on a wall, there'd be a lot of strings attached to different pins and it was a combination of Oliver flexing and then having an, an actor like, like, like Donald that could have command of his craft.
So we've lost a true actor and an actor's actor. What was the scene that got cut? It was, it was on that bench. It was on that bench again.
And he was taking, it was just really Oliver dug deep. He went really deep and it was just more stuff that I was, that started to make sense to me for the movie, you know, and I'm kind of, I'm a longer is better guy. So I'm saying, no, this actually helped me understand even more because now we'll get by with just where, you know, Donald was and that's how it played out. A few minutes left here with Kevin Costner on the Rich Eisen Show. Now you, you, you and I have spoken about this you know, away from the lights and whatever, but I do want to tell you here, like I'm one of those folks just kind of gutted that you're not going to be in Yellowstone anymore.
Yeah. Kevin, you know, I loved making that thing and I, you know, when it came to me it wasn't on the radar of anyone. I recognize what I thought was great writing, what it could be and, and I believe so much in it that I wanted to take people on that ride and I went over and sold it overseas and I think, you know, a belief, you know, stood behind Taylor's good, good writing. And so I think I tried to prop it up that way and did and one season turned into five and then I wanted to work obviously more than once a year and I, I, I kept horizon or kept Yellowstone in first position, but it needed to stay on course. It needed to have a, you know, an exact amount of time so that I could go ahead and do other things and, and those things had to be firm in order for me to effectively do something like horizon where I have two or 300 people waiting for me and I can't allow myself to not live with the contracts that I made to those people.
So the idea that I just wanted to do more than one thing a year and, and, and five years later I realized I just have to stop to make sure that can happen. So I, yeah, I saw the video that you placed out there on social media late last week. Yeah. Essentially, I guess confirming. It was, you know, I just decided that there, cause I was in this midst of doing press for horizon.
Yes. What are you going to do? And I'm, you know, I'm saying I liked the saying I would like to continue, but because there didn't seem to be anything really in motion, I just thought, well, let's take away the mystery.
I mean, so this is not going to happen. And so until something's really clear to me, I just decided for people that have, um, followed the kind of movies I want to be a part of, I was going to let them know, no, I'm not doing this, you know, in this way, it's not going to happen. And so it's, you won't appear at all in the upcoming season. No, I'm not in any of those. Do you know what's happened to your character?
No, I have no idea. I'm not in that mix. You're in the mix of horizon right now. Yeah.
I am like, I'm like, you know, that pool where you can on your tiptoes to get the breath. That's what I'm doing. I'm just figuring out how to make three. I'm going West myself. I'm like, I've got to, I've, I've burnt my ships.
I'm just there. I, I've, I've made a promise to myself that I'm going to make these, that I'm making them for an audience. And when I'm done, I'm going to feel like, okay, that was what I was supposed to do. And they live forever, good or bad.
They live forever. Well, if this is beautiful, man, again, everyone should see horizon as soon as you can and see it on a big screen as well. This coming Friday is chapter one.
Chapter two is later this summer on August 16th, and then chapter three is currently in principle. I'm making it right now. You're making it right now. It is just an incredible film about so many people and it's, I mean, the number of characters and storylines that you have, it's just, it is remarkable. It all starts to push together. It's like that first center page of a novel and all of a sudden you go, and then it clicks and then it all, it's, and that's what happens when two and with two, it just, there's no magic pill.
The West was hard and it gets harder for these people. And it's a, like I said, it is amazing. But before I let you go, the number of times on a draft weekend that I will have people as I'm settling into the NFL draft host chair, a meme, a video or something from draft day, I have lost track.
The whole, you know, Bonté Mac, no matter what, I will get something like that. Somebody will just fill in the line of a current draft choice that their team should take that pancake eating what it is, it is, it is, I think it's, it's reaching the status of every other sports movie that you've done, Kevin, you know, there's a chance when you make a movie that they can live forever and, and there's, there's a chance when you make a movie and it doesn't always happen when there become moments, things said that you'll never ever forget. And that's what movies need to be about. Yeah, absolutely.
And the number of those people will say that a general manager, if they passed up the star quarterback for a linebacker would get his ass fired. I've, I've lost track of that as well. Yeah. But sports is, um, sports is so great. It's so cruel. It's so everything winning and losing, you know, I just like sports is, is everything. And it's also cruel. Exactly.
And you also want to know how everything works out. Where's Crash Davis now, if you could guess where's he at right now, he's lobbying for a job somewhere. What, you're right.
Would you be a coach somewhere? Is that what you're saying? Uh, he must, he must be, he must be the, uh, if you could, if you could create Crash Davis is 2024 narrative.
What is that? Kevin? What do you think? Well, um, you'd have to stick with Sue.
Can't let you get a girl like that. You got to make the whole ride with, and so they were together and, um, and, uh, she's probably continued to educate crash, you know, they're somewhere. And he's trying to get back in baseball somewhere. I think so.
I love it. Write that down. You're writing that down, Chris, write it down for, for the next time Ron comes in here. You know, I remember, I remember one thing, you know, minor league Grady Richardson was, was, was, uh, in Boulder and, and here's a baseball man, just, you just know it when you're around him and, and baseball's tiresome, it's boring, it's tedious, you know, especially in minor leagues and whatever. And he's coaching and he's coaching. And it's, like I said, the ballparks are really, really big. And he was telling me this story that, um, you know, he, the team was playing or whatever. And he said, this one guy just bombed this ball over the center field fence. And I have a home run over that goes, yeah, you know, when the game's over, I, I went out there and I paced it off, it was like a 500 foot shot. And I thought, baseball man, minor league, a guy hits a ball, everybody's gone home, but he was just somehow so impressed with it. He had to go walk it off.
He walked it off. And I, and you go, you know, that's what's inside our sport. There's this like love affair with, with acknowledging something. Horizon, an American saga, chapter one, again, in theaters nationwide this Friday, go see it. You will not be disappointed. It is putting you on the edge of your seat for three hours. Great to see you, Kevin Costner. Thank you. The one and only Kevin Costner here on the Rich Eyes and Show.
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I mean, I had him stashed on my fantasy team last year, a month before he got called up. Well, and John Sadak, who's the voice of the Reds, has been on this program because his calls are just, they're incredulous, but also filled with joy. So there's a riverboat sort of deck in straightaway center field in the Reds' home ballpark. And apparently Jonathan India and Elie De La Cruz during batting practice have talked about who can hit the ball further and how India challenged Elie De La Cruz or said he couldn't hit the riverboat on the fly during BP. And he's potentially right because Elie De La Cruz did it in a game last night, hit it. De La Cruz unloads, high fly, deep center, no doubt, he went to the steamboat, atop the batter's eye. No mercy.
Warka Fand is holding the ball up on the boat. I know we don't have permission to show the video. Got to seek it out. Seek it out. It is such a bomb.
Bomb is an understatement. Truly. Yeah.
Jonathan India talked about it after the game. Messing around with each other, seeing how hard we can hit it, if I can hit harder than him. And I was getting him in BP. And he was like, no way, man, you can't hit harder than me. And then I was like, you can't even hit the boat. And then he did it in the game and I was in awe at second base. I was just like, I couldn't believe he did it.
And De La Cruz, who showed up in spring training this year, saying that he's worked on the off season, not just on his game, but on his English so he can have more press conferences, had this to say after the game last night. Now, he don't tell me to do that. We were talking like, it's hard to do it. It's not hard to do? No.
So all anybody has to do is tell you something's hard and then you'll go do it? I mean, I try. Oh, my goodness, one to root for and watch. Oh, my God. Hey, Reds, let's make the playoffs. Let's get this guy in a winter go home situation. Let's get this guy and see what he can do there and how many boats he can hit. So in that, I mean, O'Neal Cruz is putting it in the confluence in Pittsburgh, like he's literally putting it in the water. And L.A. De La Cruz is putting it on a boat. That's a top of batter's eye. Come on now. I literally thought to myself. How amazing this is, there's a cove in San Francisco, right, fun, fun stuff out of Major League Baseball last night, just wanted to bring that to your attention, because any L.A. De La Cruz does we're interested in.
Pretty much. And of course, Paul Skeens was is is aiming to strike him out right, at least for O'Neal Cruz, he doesn't have to deal with that because they're teammates. He's so dominant, too. So many young stars in this game. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. I want to thank today's guests for for for coming on.
Kyron Williams and Lane Johnson zooming Jeffrey Simmons. What a great first foray into our studio and Kevin Costner's third lot of fun. First guest tomorrow is the second gentleman of the United States of America, Doug Emhoff will be here in studio. Don't miss that Wednesday show. Every story eventually comes to an end this June. Here the final episode of season two of the hit podcast series in the red clay Durham in the red clay tells the unbelievable true story of Billy Sunday Burt, the most dangerous man in Georgia history in the podcast that people are calling riveting, incredibly moving, captivating and addicting binge seasons one and two of in the red clay now wherever you listen.
