ACC Football Schedule Changes Benefit All Schools

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I just I just don't know where but there's a lot of things to discuss. Daniel Wallach is going to join us today for the legal the NFL's got two legal issues in its way. You've got the stuff going on with Daniel Snyder who is avoiding the subpoena and I agree with him. Frankly, there's no reason for him to go on Capitol Hill. There's really no reason for the NFL to be on Capitol Hill. They're just using the NFL as a high profile, you know, workplace. It's all they're doing and it's grandstanding on everybody's part.

And like half the people there are not taking it seriously and that's a problem. So you're just wasting everybody's time, but we'll talk to Daniel Wallach about that. We'll talk to Daniel Wallach about Deshaun Watson whose hearing continues today and the NFL seems to be ratcheting down its expectation for a suspension, which is good for Cleveland and maybe not good for the NFL and their image, but we will we will discuss those then right now. Let's crank it up.

We're actually going to get to Brooks Koepke here in a couple of minutes. I want to get to some other things first because it was actually legit news being made yesterday by the PGA Tour that we're going to get to. But I'm going to keep it a little bit more local to start the North Carolina State Legislature cannot figure out how to allow citizens the right to wager on sports, but they at least did recognize the importance of the Atlantic Coast Conference, although they didn't actually call it the Atlantic Coast Conference and we'll explain that in a second.

Interesting. Yeah, in a budget proposal that is now being kicked around the NCGA and I believe they've agreed on it and it still has to go to the governor Roy Cooper for approval and blah blah blah. But in a budget proposal, there is a 15 million dollar line item earmarked towards keeping ACC headquarters in North Carolina. Now, the assumption is they're going to leave Greensboro and and go to Charlotte or Charlotte is one of the two cities, Orlando being the other. So this is North Carolina's incentive to the Atlantic Coast Conference to stay here home, if you will. But here's how it's kind of talked about in the bill. They don't call it the ACC, they call it a qualifying collegiate sports employer as an entity with four charter members that are institutions of higher education in the state. I wonder what you could be talking about. The Big South. That is so great.

That is so great. Ah, the USA South Athletic Conference Division three, right? So look. I've made my feelings on this particular issue very plain. I cannot think of anything less relevant than where HQ is located. I just I can't I nothing happens there. They don't play games there. There's no games being played in the lobby.

There are no matches. There are no press conferences there. They don't do anything there. They send out emails there. Right.

Whatever there are. There are employees there, but they don't do anything there. So I don't understand why it matters where your headquarters are. My opinion on this is they hold championships in Charlotte. So you have to do all the logistical stuff to get everything set and organized, right?

They do ACC media football. We're going to be there in four weeks in Charlotte. Well, to me, if you're going to be doing all of your stuff in Charlotte, just be based in Charlotte.

And there are studios in Charlotte, too. Exactly. So to me, just logistically, that would just make sense. Sure. That would be fine.

But where HQ is, is immaterial to anything else. In fact, and I made this suggestion and I think it would be funny. I would just get the most tricked out RV you could find.

There you go. I would get like a Madden Cruiser on steroids. And that's the conference office. Okay, and Jim Phillips can just drive. You got to drive the Blue Ridge Parkway. He wouldn't drive himself.

Although that would also be great. That makes some good ACC Network, right? Hey, Jim. Jim Phillips is famous for carrying around a backpack.

Yeah, right. So, you know, you get a just an incredibly tricked out SUV and Jim Phillips can just be driven around the ACC footprint. And today headquarters is Clemson. Tomorrow headquarters is Atlanta. And we're just living in the SUV in the RV.

And that's get a post office box. We don't need anything else. Nothing happens at headquarters. It is purely symbolic. But I do understand the symbolism of where home is. Right. I understand the symbolism of where home is. It just doesn't matter to the league.

It just doesn't matter where home is. With that said, I will throw this at this is an add on in the bill that at least four additional tournaments. And I believe it's ACC men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball have to be held in North Carolina to get this one time 15 million dollar payout.

So it's essentially what the what the the state ledges doing is they're trying to buy the ACC staying home. Look, I mean, if you wanted to have your headquarters in Orlando. I mean, heck, you could have it at Walt Disney World. I mean, Disney owns ESPN.

The ACC is already in bed with ESPN. So you could just I don't even know if I haven't been to Disney World in 30 years. So I'm not even actually. Yeah, about 30 years. So is there is there still a skyway to Tomorrowland?

I mean, they could have a skyway to ACC land. I actually. One of my favorite rides of all time is I think what Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. That's gone. OK, I think that I think that's gone. Or that meant the teacup.

The teacup just made me sick all the time. I think that's also who knows. I have no idea what's there. Epcot Center. The future of college sports with NIL displays and all that. Look, if you wanted to have your headquarters, they're fine. But the state legislator and legislature legislature in North Carolina is trying to buy the ACC staying home. And I get it. I get it.

All right. So here is my because a lot of people think it's tied to where the tournament is. The basketball tournament is right. ACC football is going to be in Charlotte for the for the foreseeable future. I can see an occasional year where they go to Florida. Maybe occasional, but Charlotte's a good spot for it.

It is because we don't know the teams that are going to be in it. It's centrally located. It's the most central location for the league. You got Miami all the way to Southern Tip, Boston College or Syracuse at the northern tip or Pitt or well, Notre Dame eventually.

But not not not that Notre Dame is involved in it now. So right now, Charlotte's kind of the midpoint. It's the closest to Clemson, right? It is.

That's really what it comes down to. It's the closest to Clemson. Hey, I said yesterday that I was impressed by the overwhelming number of NC State fans that embraced state's annual football game with Clemson as opposed to looking at it. Hey, why do we have to play Clemson every year when UNC only has to play Clemson, you know, two times out of every four? Right. Why do we have to play them every year? And I get it. I totally understand if that would be your mindset. But I appreciate the fact that state fans like you bring it on. Just win them. Just win enough of them. Otherwise, you'll eventually be mad at it.

Although maybe they're just setting themselves up to have something over. You know, it's like an argument, an argument winner. Well, we have a much tougher schedule than you because you get to play. Well, they both teams get to play Duke, but you get to play Virginia.

Probably will just be OK. Yeah. Right. UVA in historically speaking is basically just OK.

Anyway, that was a that was an aside. But so people think that the the basketball tournaments location is tied to where headquarters is. And I would argue that. Why would you think that? I just the ACC men's basketball tournament should go to like destination cities. But here's what I would do.

And I've said this before. I think the ACC tournaments go to Greensboro in March. So in 20th March of twenty three for the 70th ACC men's basketball tournament, it'll be in Greensboro. I would treat Greensboro like the RNA treats St. Andrews or the USGA treats Pebble Beach.

It's probably closer to Pebble Beach or Pinehurst in the future in that. Yeah, you're going to be back there on a rotating basis. You know, every X amount of years. So next year or this upcoming March, we're in Greensboro. And then the following year, we're in D.C. Twenty four.

And I would go D.C. again. Twenty five. Go to Charlotte. Twenty six.

Twenty seven. I'd essentially be using Charlotte and Washington, D.C. as. Air quotes, permanent hosts of the ACC tournament, primary hosts. Yes. Very good.

Primary. Yeah, I think this is the best term. I've been saying this for how I don't know, last six, seven years.

Or when was the last time it was up there with Carolina beating Virginia in the title game? D.C. is the best place for it. You are not going to convince me otherwise. I would never go to Brooklyn again, ever. Brooklyn is a waste of time.

It's too expensive. It's Brooklyn. It's not Madison Square Garden. If you can't go to MSG, don't even bother with New York City. Yeah, I was there in Brooklyn this year for the ACC tournament.

I was like, no, thanks. Yeah, it's just it's believe it or not, it's inconvenient. Yeah, Brooklyn. And you would think that with New York City, everything is convenient.

MSG is convenient. Brooklyn is not. So I would scrap Brooklyn for the duration. D.C. is the best spot.

I think Charlotte's the next best spot. And then if you wanted to bring it to Atlanta once in a while, fine. Look, I enjoyed it in Tampa. If you want to go down and bring it to the state of Florida, go to Tampa or Miami once, that's okay. If you wanted to hit Boston once, that's fine too. Hell, if Notre Dame is in the league for basketball, bring it to Chicago once. Goof off, right?

Have some fun. Take it to the Big 10 territory. But ultimately, I just keep it in D.C. and Charlotte and then use Greensboro for like special days. So I'd have the 75th. I mean, 75th anniversary of the ACC tournament should be in Greensboro.

And then, you know, maybe I'd come back for 80 or 85 or do it on an even number year, come back in 20, 35 or something like that. Right. But yeah, I would. Greensboro can't be the permanent place for it. It can't be the most frequent place for it because Greensboro doesn't offer enough for people. It just doesn't. Like frankly, Winston-Salem offers more for people than Greensboro does.

And I guess it's clear close enough to Winston-Salem, but you have to get in the car, right? So here's, it's no longer about basketball. The tournament stopped being about basketball when we ended up with 15 teams.

It just, it just can't be. It's about entertaining business clients. That's what the ACC tournament has become.

It has become a corporate event and all these schools are trying to get business from whomever and they need to entertain them. And you're not going to entertain them with only basketball. Basketball is the additive.

Everything else. You want restaurants, you want recreation, you want things to do. And D.C. offers more things to do. Charlotte offers more things to do.

Hotel, restaurants, nightlife, things like that. So that's what, that's what I would do. We'll talk more about that a little bit later on. Sad news from ACC Network headquarters. I don't really have much to say about this other than it was announced today at the end of their show. But Packer and Durham will stop on Friday. That'll be the last Packer and Durham. Both Mark Packer and Wes Durham, both friends of this program, will stay with the ACC. With the ACC Network, Packer will be repurposed somewhere else. Durham will expand his play by play schedule. But Packer and Durham, which was the first daily show on the ACC Network, had a run of over a thousand programs. But it will cease to operate as of Friday. Friday will be the last show. So that's kind of upsetting.

I have more ACC things to point out before I bring it back to something else. Because this kind of just popped into my head right before we started the show. So yesterday the ACC announced a 3-5-5 scheduling format for football. Three permanent partners, some people are mad, whatever. And then a split of the ten remaining football ACC members. Five one year, and then the next year, and then five the third year and the fourth year. So you would play everybody at least once every three years.

You would never go more than two years without playing somebody in the league. I know the ACC basically just set the schedule for the next four seasons after this one. I think they're going to revisit those primary members after four years, I believe. Because they didn't necessarily call them permanent, they just called them primary. Okay, that's fine.

If they feel like they can move it around, they can. That's okay. You should always leave yourself flexibility to do everything. But it occurred to me that in basketball we already don't have divisions.

Which is good, right? We don't need divisions in basketball. But here's where you can really lean on tradition. They don't have a schedule plan going forward in hoops. Maybe they feel like they don't need to change it.

I disagree. I've always thought this. Because here's where you can lean more on tradition for permanent partners. You can create, for instance, there's no reason why Wake doesn't play Carolina twice every year and State twice every year in basketball. Although they do play State twice a year in basketball, right? Duke plays Wake twice and Carolina twice. They only play State once, although they will play twice this year.

It just worked out that way. But that's where you can rely on tradition to make your schedule. If we're playing 20 conference basketball games, and we are, which is whatever. I'm not in favor of that, but that's fine.

It doesn't really matter, I don't think. You play so many games that it really doesn't matter how they schedule within the league. It's already not fair.

So why try to make it fair? So here's what I would do with ACC scheduling. We'll talk to Chip Patterson about this a little bit later on. I would make the best television schedule I could. I mean, seriously, going into each season, I mean, maybe I don't, but there are people who do know who the best teams are going to be.

Right? So let's just say that we think going into this year that Carolina, Duke, and I'm going to randomly pick schools here. Syracuse, Notre Dame, Louisville.

We think these are going to be the best five teams. I would make sure that they played each other twice. Don't care if it unfairly weights a schedule towards one school or another, or it makes one team schedule harder than somebody else's schedule. If you're good, you're going to get in the tournament.

It doesn't matter. And then we can look at, man, straight to schedule and all the quad one. All of that stuff that we spew at the end. We can do that because there's safety in numbers of a basketball schedule. You really can't do that in football because, I mean, unless we have a 32 team football tournament, if you lose twice, you're pretty much done. Or if they expand, even if they expand to 16, which I don't think they will, but even if they did, you can get away with two losses, but you're probably not getting away with three.

So you have to be careful in how you're scheduling. Basketball? Hell, we had teams get in with double digit losses all the time. Carolina lost, they lose 10 times? I think so.

They're like 21 and 10, I think. No, that was their final record, so they only lost nine, I think, during the regular season. Either way, teams get in with double digit losses routinely.

It's not a big deal. So I would not be concerned at all about being fair, equitable in the basketball schedule. I would make the best TV schedule I could. I would let the best teams play against each other. And the added benefit to this is that you can have the middle tier of teams and even the lower tier of teams play the bottom more, and there will be teams with bad records. There are always teams with bad records in every league, but maybe you elevate other records. So if a team, and again, just using this as an example, if NC State is probably a middle tier team and you allow them to play more teams in the bottom, they're obviously going to play teams at the top. Win a couple of those or one of those and elevate your profile, maybe we're talking about if this is benefiting teams. If the whole goal is to get more teams in the tournament, maybe this is the better way to do it. I would not have any formula for basketball. I would have some primary partners that you want to play for traditional reasons, and then I would make the best schedule I could for television, and then try to benefit the bottom of the league. Only makes sense to me. Only makes sense. Adam Golden's studio with my man coach Pete DeRuta with the Capital Financial Advisory Group.

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I do, it helps me out along the way. Let's talk about Daniel Snyder, the owner of the Washington Commandos, I will never use the real name now. He's never going to testify, I believe, on Capitol Hill, but how can he legally avoid the subpoena? He's going to file a lawsuit, and by the way, thank you for the nice words about Conduct Detrimental. He's not going to wait to be held in contempt of Congress the moment he's served with a subpoena, if he's ever served. Remember, he's in Cannes, France, and his lawyer is on urgent commandos-related business. He can't serve somebody overseas very easily at all. It'll take months for that to happen, so he can really stay out of bounds and avoid having to ever worry about this issue.

But at some point, he's going to come back because it's a public relations issue. If he's seen as evading a subpoena, that's probably going to be grounds for the League to do something even more seriously to him, because then he's looking like he's skirting the edges of the law if he hasn't already done that. So the next battleground will be the lawsuit challenging the subpoena. He's not the first congressional witness who's tried to use the courts to avoid testifying before Congress. Remember, we had a parade of witnesses or would-be witnesses in the Donald Trump impeachment proceedings that rather than comply with the subpoena, they filed lawsuits asserting what I thought were specious grounds of executive privilege. Maybe some of them had good grounds, but the vast majority of them had very tenuous basis to assert the presidential executive privilege, but they sought to avail themselves of a court ruling to clarify the status.

Dan Snyder is going to do the exact same thing. And the moment he served with a subpoena, that's going to start the clock ticking on the filing of a federal court lawsuit in the District of Columbia federal court system. And he'll argue that Congress doesn't have the jurisdiction to investigate him and single him out for punishment. That belongs to prosecutors. That belongs to the court system.

The job of Congress is to simply pass laws. And that's going to be sort of the bulkhead of his legal argument when he files a lawsuit. And he'll also assert the attorney client privilege to cover the vast majority of materials that are going to be kind of wrapped up in the Beth Wilkinson investigation. So I think his legal strategy is pretty easy to telegraph. And we're just waiting for the other shoe to drop, which is the service of the subpoena whenever that happens.

Look, he's on a boat somewhere in the French Riviera. I don't know if it's going to happen anytime soon. Personally, I think the whole idea of a congressional hearing, the House Oversight Committee, this is a bad idea to me. Grandstanding to even have this if you're really interested in workplace conduct. Yes, I understand the commandos are a high profile company with a long history of workplace misconduct. But it seems to me that there's just a lot of people trying to make public points. And the hearings are always going to be a sham.

Half the people asking questions have no interest in doing this either. Let me ask you about Roger Goodell, who appeared on a Zoom call. I thought he was disingenuous at best. He doesn't have the power to force Dan Snyder to sell, but he certainly has it. He has influence, you know, because it has to be a 20, I think, 24 of 31 other owners have to vote him out. But he certainly has influence and he can make suggestions. And he made it seem like he has no influence at all.

Yeah, I think he was being disingenuous with the House Oversight Committee. And it's more than just influence and more than just a suggestion. The NFL Constitution and bylaws empower the commissioner to actually make a formal recommendation to the executive committee to initiate proceedings that would force an NFL owner who violated the other provisions of the Constitution or conduct detrimental provisions to be forced to sell. The burden starts with him. He has to initiate the process of making that formal recommendation. So he's a critical, integral part of the process that would lead Dan Snyder to be forced to sell his interest. He has to start it for Goodell to say there's nothing I can do about it.

It's just an outright if it's not an outright lie. It's contravened and contradicted by the plain language of the Constitution, which gives him that power to start the process. If he believes that there's been a violation of either the NFL Constitution or any of the, you know, so-called amorphous conduct detrimental provisions that appear in every league document. Now we can see why the name of Daniel Wallach's podcast is called Conduct Detrimental, since we've worked in two mentions of that just in just in common discourse.

I think it's fantastic. Conduct Detrimental is the is the podcast. Here's the here's the thing about it. I believe this and I joked around is that if only Daniel Snyder was as honorable as Jerry, the late Jerry Richardson, former owner of the Carolina Panthers, who sold his his team after it came out that they had their own workplace issues that he was directly involved in. And we know that Daniel Snyder has been cited and has been sued. And we have there's just a long history of Daniel Snyder and misconduct with this. My feeling is that Snyder knows enough about the goings on around the league that maybe the other owners are afraid that if they push him out, that it's going to come back on them.

I think they might be more afraid of the precedent that would set that would lead. You know, every owner has probably their own problems in-house. It may not be something that Dan Snyder is going to expose. But if it takes workplace issues where employees have been mistreated to sort of begin the process to force an owner out. I mean, every other owner of their teams would have to look internally and wonder, well, do I have the same problem? You know, virtually every team at some point or another has been sued for employment, discrimination, failure to promote. There are all these problems.

I mean, none worse than within the Washington commanders, obviously. But if you set the precedent where, you know, these accusations from employees over a toxic workplace environment, sexual harassment, racial discrimination, those exist in virtually every corner of American life, American corporate life. So it could it could create a scenario where other owners are going to become vulnerable themselves based upon actions that took place in the past. And maybe these things should happen.

But I think that's what they're afraid of. If Dan Snyder tries to just sort of expose the inner workings of the National Football League, he'll be sued into oblivion. These billionaires are not going to be cowered by threats from Dan Snyder, because collectively and even individually, they're more powerful than him. And in a in a court of law, in a jury of his, quote unquote, peers, I don't think Dan Snyder is going to do too well. And to use the press to use his inside information to embarrass others, he will be he will be sued and in litigation for the rest of his life. And that's going to define the rest of his life while the other owners are going to continue on with the business of the National Football League. So unless he has, you know, some, you know, smoking gun, which he could have, I bet he does. That could embarrass or lead to the resignation of someone like Roger Goodell or maybe force other owners to have to sell their interests based on conversations and internal memos and emails. Maybe he has that.

All I know is all I know is this, Daniel. There's a there's there's something that he has that convinced Roger Goodell to not have a written report on the investigation into the workplace practices of the Washington commandos. There's there's a reason why that didn't go that there wasn't anything published.

If you want that written report is going to come out in one of two ways. Forget forget Dan Snyder. Forget Roger Goodell. Why don't you subpoena Beth Wilkinson? If you're the House Oversight Committee, of course, she's an attorney. She's not going to be able to divulge attorney client confidences. But there are ways to ask her questions as to a did she have a recommendation that was different than what the NFL ultimately punished Snyder for? And if she and that's not privileged information, I don't think that's privileged. And the answer to that question could really bolster some of the reporting out there that she was prepared to recommend that Snyder be forced to sell the team.

That's not legal advice. And the House committee can challenge any assertions of attorney client privilege by pointing to a long line of case law and congressional authority that says this is not a litigation proceeding. The attorney client privilege doesn't count in congressional investigations. And the chairman of the committee has the discretion to disregard privileges and force the witness to answer. So if they want to get to the heart of it, why are they skirting around the edges and interviewing owners and commissioners who are simply not going to talk and they're going to protect their own sort of the shield and their own financial well-being? Beth Wilkinson, the other hand, has a story to tell if she's permitted to tell that story.

And there's a way to adroitly and cleverly and smartly answer candid questions without intruding upon client confidences. So I don't know if that's a line that can be walked here, but I mean, let's get right to it. Let's bring Wilkinson before Congress and why don't we subpoena the custodian of all these investigative records because they're the ones who can be forced to produce these records to Congress.

They already possess it. So rather than target Goodell or Snyder, there are other participants in this investigation that might have, A, a more compelling story to tell and B, provide a quicker pathway to getting some of these materials released. This is why people need to go and listen to the Conduct Detrimental podcast because you're very thorough, Daniel Wallach, and I love talking to you. But unfortunately, we've run out of time. We didn't even get to the other legal issue, the Deshaun Watson thing. So I will direct everybody to June 22. That episode is the Deshaun Watson partial, in parentheses, settlement episode.

Check out the podcast, Conduct Detrimental. We'll talk again very soon. I hope you have a good July 4th weekend and we'll connect again very soon, man.

I have a feeling it's going to be sooner than very soon, given the pace at which things are happening. Always a pleasure, Adam. Thank you for having me on your program and I look forward to the next time as always. Thank you. You got it.

Daniel Wallach, at Wallach Legal on Twitter. Again, the podcast is great. They will help you understand these things a lot faster than I can, although you need to listen to the show anyway. June 19th, 2006, but it all started May 6th, 1997 with the announcement that the Hartford Whalers were coming to North Carolina.

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Find Canes 25th anniversary wherever you get your podcast. So Baker Mayfield. It's not going away, folks. I know we joked about two weeks ago that I thought the Baker Mayfield thing had been shot down based on not being able to make a move during the draft. But nope. Almost every day, somebody writes something about, well, Baker Mayfield is going to go to the Panthers.

Kimberly A. Martin from ESPN. Yep, there we go. Baker's right in that both sides want to move on. That hasn't happened yet. But if it happens, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in training camp by training camp because all these teams before the Deshaun Watson, all these teams understood independent of Deshaun that the Browns wanted to move Baker.

My expectation is that Carolina would be the destination if in fact he is traded. Never say never. Is there a scenario where trade doesn't come through?

Yes. Is there a scenario where because of that, Baker is still a Brown come training camp in week one? Yes, it is possible, but very, very unlikely because both sides want to move on. Like there's no way that Baker Mayfield's showing up to training camp.

No, it's just no way. They went out, they signed Jacoby Brissett. They gave Deshaun Watson $230 million. Yeah, it now appears more and more likely that there won't be a year long suspension so that Watson will miss maybe not even half the year. That's going to be a very, very dark day for the NFL.

I mean, whether or not. 20 of the lawsuits were settled out of court. There are still six others pending and maybe even more on the horizon. I just the NFL wanted an indefinite suspension. Yeah, probably not going to get that they're probably going to have to attach an actual duration to it. But it now seems what they're leaking out is that they would accept six to eight games. So what you're telling me is that what Ezekiel Elliott did and what Deshaun Watson did are the same.

God, that you can't. Anyway, so the NFL is not going to come out of this looking good. No, with that said, Watson is their quarterback. Brissett is their backup and likely would play if even if Watson is gone for a year. Brissett would be their quarterback.

Baker Mayfield ain't showing up to play for the Cleveland Browns. Yeah. It's like someone that you were in a relationship with decided to move on to someone else. They have a big fat ring on their fingers like, oh, by the way, you want to come to the wedding? It's next week.

No, I think ultimately you broke up with me, right? Ultimately, they're going to have to they're going to release Baker Mayfield. But man, the Panthers just might be desperate enough. I just hope they don't give up an asset. If I'm going to put myself in the Panthers in a Panthers fan position. I don't believe Baker is the guy that's going to get me where I really need to go. I think Baker's better than the current guy.

But he's not the guy. The last thing I would want to do is give up something that I might need. In other words, an asset. So if they wanted if they were willing to just take an even swap, Darnold from for Baker, I do that. Or if the asset that I have to give up is like a sixth round pick in exchange for you to pick up part of the contract. I might do that. Maybe.

But I don't want Baker's so much that I'm giving up anything for it. And my fear. Is that the Panthers can't help themselves. I did. That's my fear. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. You know, that's a really good point that that chocolate cake looks so good. I know I shouldn't have it, but my gosh, the icing looks delicious.

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