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Texas Heartbeat Law Heads Back to the Supreme Court

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October 20, 2021 1:00 pm

The Supreme Court has issued an order expediting consideration of the Texas Heartbeat Bill case. The respondents have to file a response to the petition by tomorrow. Jay, Jordan, and the rest of the Sekulow team discuss this breaking development. We're also joined by Sean Spicer to discuss his new book, RADICAL NATION: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’s Dangerous Plan for America .

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The Texas heart bill back to the Supreme Court in human form then and now.

This is what I hear from you Sharon post, call one 800-6843 11 broadcast. Well we got a breaking news here and that is, the Supreme Court has just issued an order where they are expediting consideration of the Texas heartbeat bill case, the petition for expedited consideration for the writ of stirfry that is the request for to be reviewed the request for the review to be expedited has been granted and respondents have to file response to the petition on or before August Thursday, so this is moved really quickly.

Now you got this case, which involves a direct but very unique law in effect at CC Highland SEC explain this because Texas did something very unique here with focusing on the heartbeat of the unborn child law boreholes after a baby's heartbeat, which was different that it puts the power and enforcement, private city, since such products force syslog estate thrown everybody off because they don't say you seen it go after the Supreme Court and back down to district courts in the Fifth Circuit on and it's time just bouncing up and down because they don't know really who the party is to say, it was so interesting about that and he is now. This record is this is around you. In this case at the Supreme Court last time they let the law stay in place so they did not get to the law. They let the law stay in place.

This time, they may be talking about expedited consideration of the merits of the case has what looks like anyways certainly seems that way just because it looks like with if they were to grant an imperative in granting have granted the motion for writ of certiorari which was an alternative form of relief that was being asked for, but probably decided that they will skip the Fifth Circuit and hear the case itself on the merits, which we know with the composition of the court that it is right now. I hope bodes well for us we talked about this case and journals of the people getting confused on where we are really how the court system works and how her back to the title. Really, this is a replay of the back of the courts.

Things are flitting around us is this this is not your good good question. This is you have cases I've had them.

This is one of those where the case moves very rapidly. This case is moving rapidly through the system. It is a cc said it's a unique lots different than on a lot of other laws of the trip. The truth of the matter is that the case that we got in Montana were representing the state of Montana. CC is also a unique law, common sense law that requires third-party counseling before wanting an abortion if you're ever going to have informed consent on a medical procedure.

Informed consent before you go and have a medical procedure that kills your baby and so it's a common sense law that simply requires that there is third-party counseling before an abortion is performed to protect it.

It is, and of course the baby as well.

Both lives involved in abortion are protected with this law so it's a common sense law and it's it's very hopefully it will stand, optimistic Montana states mixed up.

There were representing the state of South Dakota in that a breach or just to be due towards the public towards the end of the week of next week. She got all of these cases and then you got the direct challenge to Ray versus Wade which is up there right now. So we come back from break or break in all of this down.

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A society can agree that the most vulnerable. Is there any hope for that culture to survive.

And that's exactly what you are saying when you stand with the American Center for Law and Justice, defendant the right to life, we've created a free powerful publication offering a panoramic view of the ACLJ's battle for the unborn is called mission will show you how you are personally publication includes all major ACLJ were fighting for the rights of pro-life activist ramifications 40 years later Planned Parenthood's role in the street and what Obama care means to discover many ways. Your membership is empowering the right question free copy of mission in life today online ACLJ/just got an order in the Dobbs case and of course that is the case, that is the direct challenge over Wade. They master the time for an argument is allotted as follows 35 minutes for the petitioner's is to be the in this case would be the health officer that was brought. The case is the one has direct challenge to row 20 minutes for the respondent sets of Jackson's women's health center at the abortion clinic in 15 minutes for the acting solicitor Gen. Logan, you said just moments before we went back on and what a difference a year makes. Or will set it. Somebody said it, when you have a new government come in the solicitor general works for the Department of Justice.

More so the President is on the other side of the yes I these are the issues the conflict easily and can be kinda swept on the rocks of not paying attention to necessarily that's like shows like ours are important to go make sure you share this when you're watching it live and your later on prerecorded got a go. Click share makes people see if you're watching a Facebook on YouTube subscribe to that like his people will see it more as you keep these things front and center yeah and this is Harry. This one is chain. These are cases that we need to say this, all of these cases. If you look at the big three. I called you got that the Texas case.

Yet the direct challenge to reverse right another case. The Texas case is not a direct challenge to row but it's very possible that I think this is really possible that what happens in the Dobbs case will directly impact what happens in the case out of Texas which will impact what happens out of the case where handling in South Dakota at the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals. These are all three major abortion cases simultaneously either at the Supreme Court or the court right below the Supreme Court so this is monumental moments here. I think that is correct, concerned with the Texas case. You have been in direct challenge to run by giving the citizens of Texas enforcement power with respect to a Texas heartbeat law. I think it's a very different approach. I'm not sure whether or not it will be sustained by the United States Supreme Court or not but I also give the legislators in Texas an enormous credit for thinking outside of the box and not necessarily being bound by past approaches that I've often failed.

I think the more important case is the Mississippi case because that is a direct challenge to Roe V Wade, and if you actually look at the reasoning of Roe V Wade, and its counterpart case plan parenthood. The case in 1992.

Both of those cases offers suspect judicial reasoning, and I think at the end of the day.

Most legal analysts, at least when those cases were decided they saw both of those cases as being very very flawed and I think the American people agree with that. I think Andy I think Harry is right that the obviously direct challenge on Roe is going to be the big case, but that direct challenge on Roe is going to affect every one of these other also very big cases that are not direct challenges on rote where the states as Harry said, be more innovative South Dakota's innovative Texas was innovative here with the case that the direct challenge on Roe is going to be the case that decides this, that's absolutely correct J the case in Mississippi which is a direct challenge to Roe versus Wade that was decided in the 70s is going to necessarily affect the decision of the Supreme Court and related and cases such as you mentioned, pending in Texas and pending in other jurisdictions because of whether or not Roe is overturned is I think going to be the central issue in the Dobbs case out of Mississippi. I think the Supreme Court is not going to dodge that issue. I think the Supreme Court is going ahead on face that issue in that case and make a decision as to whether or not we're going to continue this killing of mass killing of babies. Whether were going to leave it to the states to make these determinations, but I think Roe is on the chopping block.

I hope it's do you ask what your thoughts are and how things are and comes to the political side of this, not to something illegal, but the political side of the life topic I know it's one that's often a controversial work talk that whole chapter in the new Sean Spicer book written on him later on about that, about how quickly decides to change in Pres. Biden, who historically was a pro-life person moderately, moderately pro-life, compared to what it these become now, which is radically which is radical. So how is this issue shifted to DC yeah Logan. I think were at a unique time in history on this issue. I mean, like, i.e. listen.

He has had this conversation about the different debates that are taking place across the states and II think that's how our founders envisioned it right. They wanted the states to take different approaches that fit their populations, especially when it came to controversial issues. We are seeing that but Logan to your question. How is DC. Responding are the political elected federal officials responding Logan to try to call off the debate they're trying to take that debate out of the states bringing into Washington DC and say the debate is over now. Why do I say that I say that mainly because of the bill that's already past the house or calling it the women's health protection act. But in essence Logan what he would do it would codify row in would say all of these restrictions.

The restrictions that are aimed at protecting the the unborn baby and Logan the restrictions that are aimed at protecting the mother like an ability to admit a woman to a hospital or some of the informed consent laws that your dad and CC were talking about all of those Logan would be off of the books that they would status Texas into Mississippi into South Dakota and all the other states looking at get out of this game work and handle it. You cannot restrict abortion in any way shape or fashion so CC courses raises the question that is, if the court decides that road goes, it does not and the right to abortion.

It just returns it to the states. People need to be clear what happens after it Pro is in fact overturn it is not the end of the abortion right. This is not federalized Saul when their interest in protecting the baby's life. If that six weeks in a heartbeat estate statements to acknowledge that there are two human beings issue abortion decision. It's not just one person. It's affected two human beings that are affected, and one gets murdered and Sarah state interest in protecting babies life and silly friend if if the Supreme Court decides Roe doesn't stand that there is not a constitutional right to abortion which there is no constitutional right to abortion as state can still decide on their what their position is regarding abortion. Okay so this raises, of course. The policy question.

You keep it deep you know we can't make a prediction. You would think there are five justices that would that Roe would go but who knows.

But the ramifications of that decision.

If the court does in fact overturn row versus Wade makes it no longer a federal constitutional right, but a state process returning it to the states would be a shift of 60 years of judicial interpretation is been inside it.

Along the way, Casey. Some of the others, but this is the direct challenge and the most conservative court that yes, I think if the Supreme Court were to overrule Roe V Wade basically that would be the equivalent of a judicial and political earthquake, and so I think in many respects. If we take politics for errors. The Democrats who are floundering in Washington would probably favor a decision by the Supreme Court to overturn Roe V Wade, because that would provide them, at least in the short run with an avenue of perhaps energizing their voters. But I also think that overturning Roe V Wade, in the long run would be an advancement in Supreme Court jurisprudence. In other words, the Supreme Court needs to adhere to the law and the central question in Roe V Wade, is whether or not there is indeed in the text of the Constitution a right to an abortion. I think analysts impartial animals will search the U.S. Constitution in vain to find a legal basis a constitutional basis for the right that the Supreme Court declared in Roe V Wade some 50 or so years ago, so I think at the end of the day returning the Constitution to its tax and returning jurisprudence to an original is some focus I think would be an advancement for the United States, and it would then set the stage. I think to carve back other innovations that the Supreme Court has engaged the Democrats in particular have looked to the Supreme Court as the legislative body of last resort. So if they cannot win their fight in terms of political opinion or in terms of the presidency. They have looked to the court to basically overturn the judgment of individuals who live in Tennessee and Texas and Kansas and instead support elites in Washington DC and New York City and San Francisco. Absolutely we get back. I want to hear from you.

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ACLJ.org where you can learn more about our life changing, member today ACLJ is everything thousand 800-684-3110 to determine if this is an issue you care about were getting calls are ready coming in, let's get you in talk was 800-684-3110 also get your comments and on Facebook you for your call and I think it's always important hear from people are listeners 01 800-684-3110 Anthony's College in New York online. What Anthony on the hello how are you I love you guys. I'm an aspiring lawsuit. Thank you guard constantly and the legal analysis you provided really on point. I really appreciate now my question to you is moving forward in this case conservative judges. From what I understand, believe in starting the site strongly. The new technology saying that there's viability prior to the Roe versus Wade decision in 1973, does that push would you think that's strong enough to push the court the call Roe versus Wade decision. A bad law and and just disregard start decisive is a great question and let's define any first the doctrine of start decisive because and that's basically court precedent, but it's disgusted historically because it's a really good important life lesson they would get people who are not slides lawyers lawyers yeah contrary slices means any of my professorial hat on Steiger sizes really is Latin for things decided that's what that means. And the idea is that cases with similar facts and similar laws should be decided in the same way so as to give some stability to the law and some predictability to the law, but started this sizes is a judicially created animal that is been created by the courts. There is nothing in statutory law that says cases that are decided that I have the same factual same law have to be decided the same way. It's a concept as I said they give stability to the lawn stability is a very important concept, but Steiger sizes can be wrong because we sign cases such as Plessy versus Ferguson another cases in the United States in the past that there are decisions. Korematsu, for example, with respect to the internment of Japanese Americans. Those cases are wrong they were wrongly decided and therefore stare decisis should not stand in the way of the court overruling those cases and saying that there is that they were wrongly decided. And we don't have to continue to wrongly interpret them and the other is my view wrote the way was wrongly decided yet. So it's also interesting that the question no cc is that you have. Start decisive does not mean it can never change. By the way, we saw that as any said Dred Scott, Sue, Plessy versus Ferguson good publicity cases, but the technology question and the technology question is real because the technology of 1973 regarding the unborn child is very different cc than the technology now all around, talk specifically about liability where you can decide whether an abortion can happen or not. Centerpoint liability is crucial. It's not at the same point Wesley believed that a baby is viable upon conception. It doesn't have to live outside the mother's womb to be protected. That's currently what the Supreme Court has basically said that Missy points singer and singer that a baby can land on outside its matters.

When much earlier cell. It's very interesting what's happening with medical technology and how that might play into a quartz decision.

We look at the stare decisis question and then you have to got to the approach we've taken is bad law could still be bad law, even if it was decided 60 years ago or 50 years ago. It still could be wrong. I think that's correct. I think God can be as set forth the basic outlines of the rules with respect to starry decisive. We should keep in mind that in the Janice case, which was decided a couple of years ago, the Supreme Court specifically addressed stare decisis and said you cannot use existing case law to abrogate. For instance, first amendment rights of the Supreme Court has if you will a reverse precedent going, suggesting that they can indeed over to rule bad decision-making and there is no constitutional basis, at least in my opinion to support Roe V Wade so I think it is the perfect case to overrule and to ignore if you will starry decisive's is not a talking point. It's almost as if the court is never ruled incorrectly writing we know historically that exhibits big mistakes takes hundreds of years and any magic Korematsu where the court allowed the internment of Japanese Americans.

Dred Scott you know when I can to consider black people in United States hold people for the purposes of the Constitution and this was a nice change needs the real meaning you can go on and on and on and Plessy versus Ferguson court separate but equal. Scott and I can account the poor black person as a full person. Those are Supreme Court decision. They were just supremely wrong and I do think that's a part of what the analysis is here but there's also something of you to take what we want to ignore you because the second half hours while 800 684 30 would tend to want to grab another call Logan Ellis take on really quick. Let's go to Daniel his calling in Texas day night on their hey I have been supporting the pro-life movement in Texas year. That is an OB/GYN and if we do not reverse Roe V Wade, we will lose our country will lose God's blessing on our country and we desperately need God to step back and we desperately need to make right decisions. According to the competition.

The law and the Bible.

I think you could put the law the Bible in medical science altogether, and here's what you come up with the unborn child cc in the mother's womb is a child slightly action historically same countries knowledge that has rights and self abortion is the only place where Wilmington assigned to murder an innocent human being just underground. No consequences to that. So, absolutely, and it deserves protection from conception and if we get this right. I do hope that God's blessing remains on America quickly is also talk of the court needs the right way. In the case that the child is directly that Congress may step in front step in the account. Congress may step in. There may be court packing. There may be efforts by the left. A change of the JII think I think all of that sort. Yeah, I mean I think all it is for the ships past the fact that that life is winning. I mean look. They may try those things on the left, but the life is winning because the American people have seen the truth it and Jay is long as the left is in a position of having to advocate for the ending of a life with a beating heart, or because that life is a certain race or gender has a disability. Guess what I things can happen. I think that the trend towards life is going to continue.

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It is not necessarily a rule of the Supreme Court. Dobbs cases argued on December 1 that direct transfer over talking about five weeks out toxic death your tongue weeks away and were taken because as I said the next segment were to get many calls were kings in the final segment to show your shot Spicer during a fight about his new book and also get if this is you and him so much more that can be a very in the shipper right now you can get your voice on the 1-800-684-3110 points make use of the site support pro-life movement.

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Let's take some phone calls. So let's go to Michelle his calling Washington on line to Michelle while you're there, where their friend Andy different case. They limit Dobbs case did the states that have the right to do that.

Thank you so they do with the Dobbs case, the state legislatures in the states that could fund abortions as part of their budget because what this does is CC, it returns it to the states and I got a question for them to follow this up so ever rollaround the way back to the states asked the federal court and are the federal government getting out of this issue totally because back in the states, but it doesn't necessarily get the federal government funding Planned Parenthood fan I think we need to clarify that they could overturn Dobbs row in Dobbs and they might break at the beginning a lot of money is definitely a secondary issue. They're jamming it right now. Planned Parenthood gets more than $600 million from from taxpayers through the federal budget by far the biggest chunk of that is through Medicaid reimbursements almost half $1 billion through that object to other issues that Michelle should know about one we talked about that the title X funding which prohibits family-planning dollars for to going to abortion providers.

It was something the Trump administration finally enforced a Pres. Biden, and Logan alerted Moody to this earlier in the show he flip-flopped on this after 40 years of supporting the Hyde amendment. He now supports repealing the high commitment that is moving through Congress adjacent all of those efforts are still alive and well in Washington DC and all of those efforts even if the if the Dobbs case goes the right way, there still gonna be a federal funding a taxpayer funding issue of abortion on the table, it's coming it on YouTube. I think you guys on YouTube and Facebook are commenting, please continue to our question came and set Supreme Court overturns row using the left will redouble their efforts to pack the court in the court commission doesn't seem inclined to recommend that will that become the newish Outlook idea may become a political issue but was it was pretty interesting that the commission did not come out with a recommendation to change the number on the court. In fact, they said it brought with problems so II think we may have successfully Loki does mean that the hard progressive left will not try Andy, but the truth is, the commission which was buying 10 pick people did not like the idea, nor did Justice Breyer noted, the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, that's absolutely correct. I was waiting for this commission to come in favor of pool quarterbacking and to make all kinds of statements and recommendations to the President that we should increase the court exponentially. As Pres. Roosevelt tried to do in the 1940s, but that didn't happen. That doesn't mean they won't try to do it again but the left seems to have realized that taking a cue from Stephen Breyer and from Ruth Bader Ginsburg at the number nine is the number that it chips dads and I think that's the appropriate number that's with the Judiciary act in the middle of the 19th century puts it at eight associate justices and a Supreme Court justice, and they didn't enter the end and I was rather surprised to see that they didn't come in with the court packing a recommendation to force upon the court packing is the next administration comes in and they say were inadvertent increase in Harry five for more units or up to 30 or 40 or 50, when we were before the international criminal Court in the Hague. I think when they fully meet. It's like 40 judges so that in international tribunals, European Court of human rights, 14 judges or more so we have this number that has worked in even the most liberal members of the court of said it's confirmed the court very well.

I think that is true, but I also would not put it beyond the last to try to fun raise on this particular issue, even if indeed they ultimately agree with the assessment of Justice Breyer and Justice Ginsburg. I think many people on the left are so radical and are so progressive that they have lost the ability to be restrained by common sense. That's because man it's a politically important talking point yeah Janice is the holy Grail deli Grail for the left. In Washington DC there are a lot of issues J that the left are really politicians of all stripes would rather run for election on then went on.

This is not one of them J this is one of the issues at their are insisting on winning and by the way, in this conversation I think this is going to animate the 2022.

Elections like you cannot believe we talk a lot about court packing or repeal of the Hyde amendment are codifying row J you better believe it.

If Democrats an end and that the abortion industry remains in control of the House of Representatives and let's say they pick up a seat in the United States Senate and therefore Joe mansions withholding his vote for some of these measures can be overridden. I think quarterbacking would be back on the table. I think codifying row would be back on the table. I think the repeal of the Hyde amendment would be on the table so in 2022. This is always been an issue that's been front and center for the pro-life community and Logan asked earlier in the broadcast. Does it still animate you. I can tell you this, with the court a trending away from them. It is going to be one of the main issues that animates the pro-abortion vote in 2022. II think that that's exactly correct and again to go to CC Highland this because I think it's important to understand for people understand you got major cases having three major cases at the Supreme Court or the Courts of Appeals right now, all of which either directly implicate row or the decision in the case that could overturn Roe versus Wade might well you never know what might well have either you will have.

If it does overturn Roe have a direct implications on the case in Texas are prebuilt in our case in South Dakota with informed consent time for trial and its importance for and what the ministration is what judges they put on hopefully judges on the Supreme Court will follow the Constitution and we will have life protected. It's a very important time for this issue on Facebook is very interesting, yes you put I am afraid the issue of abortion will never be fixed because of how much money is involved. It is a big industry and there is no doubt about that and then you say in Washington. Every time we're out there out to Planned Parenthood. Now all of literally in every street corner J when this issue is front center you run onto into them on the sidewalk.

They want to get your position. I want to get your voice. That's why we engage to counteract that, and I J like I would say this I don't know if you ever gonna read all of the money out of this issue that being a pro-life advocate in today's world means a couple of things need me to advocate for protection of life in the law. That's what we at the ACLJ exist today.

We partner with people J were up were constantly saying this as well. It also means showing up in the broken places where these broken decisions are making and providing an alternative because of a woman in this place is shown the truth about her abortion and then is provided an alternative. Guess what usually happens J she chooses life that littered semantically won the heart of hearts and minds were waiting on this issue. I think that's very clear. I think the question because you see that, especially with your generation even younger. Yeah, I think illegally you may have it.

Still have this topic but as a moral issue. It's it's deftly changing yeah so the questions can become Andy does the court and in Harry on this got three minutes left is the court. This current Supreme Court. The Roberts court. Do they have the courage to overturn Roe. I think that this court does have the votes to overturn Roe V Wade, I do not know about one particular justice who I will go unnamed, but I think that the voters based on mood, Pres. Trump appointed who are constitutionalists like textualism to read the Constitution of the United States are not only those who Pres. Trump appointed by Justice Alito and Justice Thomas so well will see that there is no constitutional right federally to abortion and will overrule it and send it back to the states. That is my at a view of it. Well, I never disagree with Andy, I think he's precisely correct and I won't name that particular justice either, but I think it will be a difficult moment for the supreme because they recognize that this could be a judicial seachange in jurisprudence going forward. So I'm not necessarily sure they have the courage to go there. I certainly hope they have the courage to see what he think quickly on the current connections. I think what's right and sell. I just hope they follow the Constitution. There is no right to abortion the courage to say that okay so you heard we think they have this the most conservative court we had. That is true. The issue squarely up before the Supreme Court justices that is true row is on the agenda as an issue was wrongly decided. I think the answer to that is yes 35 votes to overturn it. You don't know I say that for someone that is advocated for the Supreme Court for decades.

Just never convictions can be one thing, it is eight. It was the word used was a big moment. Yes, it's absolutely a big moment and I think every American citizen should be motivated to see this particular issue decided and see Roe V Wade reversed right we get back.

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Let's start with the border made why not, why not because it's affecting good as we say this program broadcast all the time doesn't just affect people of the border vex people everywhere course it does mean their shipping people we saw yesterday. There's planes going to New York throughout the country with her letting them off but the thing that I point out the bouquet that's important is this is a problem aid. It's very easily solved. Everybody understands that and to I think you have to understand the motives that there is no other explanation for letting the folks in then trying to create future Democratic voters.

I know that's on cynical some people said that that's just because I but but if not, explain to me why you would stop remain in Mexico. Title 42, all of the things and when you ask the folks why the coming they say specifically because of Biden and they wouldn't do it under Trump so it's a very simple thing. The policies are creating a magnet for people to come and it's whether your Nashville Tennessee Burbank California Providence Rhode Island it's affecting you in your community know a lot of people look towards what happened with Afghanistan obsolete huge mistakes there and they try to conflate the two say well we had refugees coming from there. What about the border. I think it America people are compassionate about these issues, but they also don't see no benefit. Logan I I will say that there agree. I think that the SIV's the people who helped the US outside are in a different category but your point. There it, people do have something there when you're bringing people in, and the Sec. of Homeland security can't tell you that those people are vetted, or that they would know that they in fact throughout the US were seen cases of of health concerns that the coming and there's obviously yesterday Tony Gonzales number Congress from Texas, said that there are several people that he spoke to from the minister of Panama that said that they have ties to Al Qaeda mean that shows you that there's not a lot of concern about our national security. We just set up today's giver producer that the last fiscal year, which just ended in September. The September a month ago I set the highest border encounters ever recorded because what they've done is it took the policies of the Trump administration at the Trump ministration did it when then they say, when I cannot know sent regardless that it so let's not do it and you had one of their folks testify for the Congress. While there is some utility tool wall to some drama. I guarantee you, you better snap shot that guy because he's gone by the COB today.

He wrote the book is called radical nation. Give us what kind of the lead theme of this because it is obvious you look at what's going on here what's happening. This hardwood spent only 10 months and yard my saying this, but there's two things Logan one is the people on the policies. I don't think people fully appreciate is not because people aren't smart is because the media has given them a pass or hidden their credentials, their motives, and the second big take away is what I like to call understand the why why they letting people in the border. Why do they want to make DC estate. Why do they want to pack the court in it all ties together which is an ultimate pursuit of eternal power.

If you pack the court if you get two more Democratic senators potentially for if you make Ricoh estate you're always in power that you can keep pursuing these far left policies. I would with a lot of discussion here on this broadcast shown on China and the role try to work closely with Mike Pompeo whose art. When our senior legal counsel on global affairs and also with Rick Cornell, former DNI John is a user prompt and the prop and we look like during our four years that we were making some real progress in those relationships. Although the President present Trump was very tough in the right way on the trade imbalance now in a situation where you feel like were at the mercy of China. We are, and I think I like the medications I made every antibiotic you take all the PP even think about.

They created a disease of virus and then we bought all the PPE the Pharma and all the other things from China we become more dependent on them and I think that there is a lack of understanding among our elected leader.

Frankly, across all parties and Trump was the first I really take it seriously caught out, but we have a serious dependency. China has become too big to fail, and that's a problem. Everything with everything you use everything you do this with their always is grandiose, we need to bring manufacturer.

That is, in theory, but that is not an overnight silly piece of clothing were where the Sec. of transportation people to judge said the other day just like they said Afghanistan was a success, said this is a success because it's getting companies to think about moving back home.

Why would they move back home. If you're raising the corporate tax. In fact, it would encourage them to move further away and I think that's the problem is that again you have to ask yourself why why they doing certain things.

Why aren't they pursuing certain other things and it all comes back to a fact that they want more people to be dependent on government and to ensure their ultimate you know eternal power and in running the things with your love, your chapters with this book and you do actually have which people care deeply about, is a chapter dedicated to life and that which can't be assault on human life.

I think that is something that is there so many big issues that are happening. It's one of those topics that easily is kind of forgotten but this administration is certainly not been a fan to the our friend to the religious communities or to that there's actually Religious Liberty, and like the Thing about Life That so Fascinating Were Doing a Segment on My Knees Next to the Other Day and I Also Night I Went on I Got Sweet. I Wrote about This in the Book Joe Biden Said When He Got Elected to a Catholic Newspaper That He Believed That Life Began a Conception That He Was Personally Pro-Life.

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