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I can tune into your show and hear the unvarnished truth. Thank you. This is What's Right, What's Left. With Pastor Ernie Sanders. Good evening and welcome to another edition of What's Right, What's Left. The voice of the Christian Resistance on the 14th day of November 2024. And boy tonight do we have a lot to talk about. And definitely we are the voice of the Christian Resistance.
And they're on deck at the helm behind the glass cage. Our producer is Style. Hey, good evening, Pastor.
And here in the studio, right to right, because no left is allowed or tolerated and never will be. Okay. We have little Lisa. Good evening, everyone.
We have Laura Krasner. Good evening. And Pastor Richard Lewis. Welcome everyone. Glad to be here.
And I'm your humble host, Pastor Ernie. Their hero. Right. Anyhow, tonight, listen, we got to start with prayer because we, you guys were drawn and we didn't get any prayer done. Do we? Oh my goodness.
So no more polever. We got to get to it. Right. Let's pray. Heavenly Father. Lord God, as we gather here tonight, we just thank you Lord for another opportunity. You've let us be the voice of the Christian Resistance out here or do much given much is required and you've given us much. We thank you for this, this election, Lord, even you overcame just all of the, the election fraud.
Even though the dark state, all that they tried to do, Lord, this time it didn't work. And so you answered prayers from many, many people prayed, Father God, we are still praying. We want to bring our nation back to one nation under God exactly the way you gave it to us.
We want to be a great nation again, because we're good again. We want to stop the baby killing and stop the sodomy and come against all the darkness that the Antichrist left is trying to push upon us. So Lord God, as we're here tonight, speak to us, let your truth, your whole truth, nothing but your truth reach the hearts and the minds of the people and Lord, let them take what they hear, what they learn and Father God, and put it to practical application to bear a lot of good fruit to your glory. This we ask in Jesus name. Amen. Amen.
And we're going to go back. Remember the title of this message was the ears of the Lord of the Sabbath. And we're going to pick it up where we left off tonight in Ephesians chapter five, but those on the left today, you know, we see them, you know, they hold as their number one issue, their number one cause the killing of children. They actually measure their freedom and their Liberty by how many children they can die, what you know, can kill, uh, today. And so here they, they hate God's divine institutions of marriage in the family.
They hate it. Uh, you know, God gave us the divine institution of marriage was the very first one. And with that, he gave us the definition.
One man, one woman with God for one lifetime, right? Uh, what did they do? They soiled it.
How did they soil it? Well, what they call same sex marriage, right? There is no such thing as same sex marriage because God gave us the definition of marriage, right? What, what they, what they call marriage, God calls it an abomination.
And do you know what one of the old Hebrew definitions of that is the stench of rotting flesh in the nostrils of a Holy God. That's what they call marriage, right? And then, uh, or fornication, they, they, they hate children. They really hate children. Unbelievable.
Okay. Uh, they ran political ads, encouraging women to lie to their husbands, to lie to their husbands and, and, uh, and, and voting for Jezebel, okay, for Camelock, okay. And in Camelock and Joe Obama or Obama and Michelle all encouraged the women to lie to their husbands and, uh, and she actually tried to bribe black men with $20,000, you know, to vote for her. And so here they've enshrined the very false notion that whatever information is kept on their smartphones or their laptop is sacred and can be kept secret from your husbands. There's a mindset today amongst women that whatever you have on your phone, that's your business and your husband has no right knowing that that's, you know, this is what they're promoting, okay. Uh, but the truth is, Richard, that not only does the husbands have the right to know, he's got the duty, right? Yes. The, the relationship between the husband and wife, they should be best friends and there shouldn't be secrets between them.
You might want to pull your mic a little closer. I'm sorry. But there should be a degree of respect for each other. And that's what, uh, you're getting to with Ephesians five is the respect that, uh, um, man has to a woman and a woman has to a man. Absolutely. And so what you have there is they're not to have secrets from each other, okay? Anytime my wife wants to see what's on my phone, go at it.
You're welcome. I'm not going to keep secrets from her, right? And we're not supposed to, but we'll see the problem you have, which is the weaker vessel. The woman is where does the enemy attack women in the area of discernment, you from Genesis to revelation, men in the area of pride, women in the area of discernment.
And this is what the apostle Paul made that very clear for his Timothy there. So this is why 80% of divorces now are initiated by women. You know, that's not a good thing. Is it? Okay.
Why is that? It's because today when I, when, when I was young, when I was going to college, uh, most probably 60 to 70% or more were, were men. And today it's just the reverse. Women are going to trade schools. Now women are going to college for an education, but are they getting an education or are they getting indoctrination? They're getting indoctrination. Okay. Are they, are they being encouraged that marriage and the family and biblical way of life where they get encouraged to do just exactly the opposite? Most colleges are just the opposite.
Okay. So what are they promoting there? Uh, they're telling these women that you can have that all, uh, you can have the security of a marriage you can have in children. You can have a career and you can have as many bed partners as you want. There's that the institution of marriage, uh, that as far as you know, fidelity goes that that's old fashioned. You don't have to do that today. You know, forget that Bible stuff, right?
Just you can do any way you want. That's what they're being told. They're being indoctrinated.
And well, what do you think, Laura, do you think that women are more susceptible to the indoctrination? Oh yeah, I think it's, I think it's been going on a lot longer than I was ever aware of it. I didn't go to college, so pardon.
I didn't go to college, so I'm kind of glad that I didn't. Yeah. Back in those days, of course, you're not nearly as old as Richard and I, but, uh, back in those days, it wasn't quite as bad as it is today. Okay. They actually still had some morality in that.
Okay. Back in those days, uh, today, there's, there's, it's not good. This is why I praise the good Lord for places like Liberty or Hillsdale where, uh, what a difference. Uh, when I, a couple of years ago, I spoke at Liberty. I spoke to 250, uh, County sheriffs and they asked me to teach them, to speak to them where we got the institution of human government and, uh, the students there were just, their behavior was just unbelievable. They were so polite, you know, uh, and just what a difference in that. And then you have these, these, uh, secular colleges. I mean, it was just, I was really impressed about how polite and how concerned and how educated they, they really were.
I mean, just the kind of kids you want to be around, you know? And so anyhow, so here now is we're looking at that when, when they're talking about, they're promoting today, uh, what they call open marriage. And they're telling you that an open marriage, uh, will strengthen a marriage. But the reality is within four years of an open marriage, 94% of those marriages end in divorce within the first four years.
And then almost a hundred percent after that. Okay. So that's not really strengthening in a marriage, is it? And sodomy, uh, couples that, uh, uh, marry that, what they call same sex or sodomy, uh, they're very violent people. And those marriages don't last either. Uh, I don't, I don't think they probably have any statistics on that, but those, those marriages don't last because they're such violent and unhappy people because, you know, deep down they know they're wrong. It's funny about society. You mentioned the word fornication and, you know, even the non-believers out there know what fornication and adultery is.
They should. I mean, really, if you, if, if, uh, a man goes to a woman and says, uh, you know, uh, I'd like to commit fornication with you, she'd probably slap him in the face, even if she wasn't a Christian. But if, you know, he says, oh, let's get cozy or whatever they want to call it, then, then they might get along.
But they use, you use Bible terms, you know, let's commit adultery together, you know, let's cheat on your spouse and I'll cheat on mine. Let's, let's go someplace that slap you. But if you, you know, let's have dinner and we'll do the, you know, I think I'm going to test this theory. If we're going to go to the street, I'll have the mic. Okay. Uh, style, you filmed this, Richard, we're going to have you approach the women and try this. No, thank you.
No styles. Don't do that. I am not about to do that. Thank you. No, just a thought. Thank you.
No. Before we get in any more trouble, we better get to reading. Let me start in Ephesians chapter five, be you therefore followers of God as dear children and walk in love as Christ also had loved us and had given himself for us and an offering as a sweet sacrifice to God for his sweet smelling savior, but fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not be once named among you as becoming saints, neither filthiness nor foolish talking or jesting, which are not convenient, but rather giving of things. For this you know that no whoremonger nor unclean person nor covetous man who is an idolater had any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not you therefore partakers with them, for you were sometimes in darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord.
Walk as children of light. For the fruit of the Spirit is all goodness and righteousness and truth, proving what is acceptable unto the Lord, and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done with them in secret, but all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light, for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be you not unwise, but understanding that the will of the Lord is. And be not drunk with wine wherein in excess, but be filled with the Spirit, speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord, giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Submit yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church, and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it, that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself, for no man ever hated his own flesh, but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the Church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and the two shall be one flesh.
This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife, even as himself, and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Children obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor thy father and mother, which is the first commandment with promise, that it may be well with thee, and now mayest live long on the earth. And you fathers provoke not your children to wrath, but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. Now here, when he says children obey your parents in the Lord, this is right. He's not talking simply about adolescence, he's talking about adult children too, right? And so he's making a good point here, and where it says, which is the first commandment with promise, well, you know, the promise was, you know, you honor your mother and father or what?
You know, you were stoned in those days to dishonor to your, and so that's why he says that it may be well with thee, and now mayest live long on the earth, okay? But then here, and you fathers provoke not your children to wrath, but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. You know, over my years, Richard, you and I, we've both done over the years, a lot of marriage counseling, and you know, it's with the children too, nowadays, because there's so many single parents, single homes, okay? And it's not balanced, normally, in Ohio here, the woman ends up with the children, you know, when in a divorce, even most of the time, even if she's not the best one, it's only because no, all those years, and you know, that we spent in the prison ministry together, you know, I was under the impression that being a single mother, that would bring a mother and her son closer together, you know, being a single mother, but it didn't work that way, it worked just the opposite in most cases, and you know, here, normally, it turned out those boys turned out very anti-woman, you know, having a lot of, you know, actually hatred towards their mothers, and a lot of that had to do with, you know, no man, no husband in the family, and often the mothers ended up with several different boyfriends or whatever over at the house, I did a lot of counseling.
But the other thing, too, with the parents, especially the fathers, when it came to the daughters, boy, I'm going to tell you, we didn't realize, people don't, how much power words have, I remember one situation where a young girl, she was involved, she got involved with drugs, Satanism, promiscuity, and I ended up doing family counseling there, but when her father said, there's nothing good about you, nothing, you're completely soiled, you have no redeeming values, you're totally evil, that almost, it just cut that girl to the heart, cut her to the quick, and I, you know, he was, he was very upset because he felt that she ruined the family name and that because of her behavior, and you know, and here, she didn't come from a broken family, it just, you know, what you came across in the public schools, the public education system, where all of those things were, the drugs and everything was out there, that's why all those years, I kept, I've been telling people, if you love your children, get them out of the public schools, get them in the Christian schools, okay, but anyhow, today, they have a really good relationship, they're working good together. Praise the Lord for them. Yeah. Thank God. Well, that's who you have to praise. Amen.
Amen. Yeah, you know, you talk, this is a beautiful section of the scriptures, and I, as you know, I taught about marriage in the prison system for quite a few years, and over and over again, the guys would say, as I taught about marriage, they would say, why didn't somebody teach us this when we were younger? Why didn't the church teach us this? If we would have only known, and you know, and that's the shame of it, you know, we talk about us teaching these things, but the average church isn't teaching these principles that need to be taught to our young people. Right. Out there today, right, marriage and the family should be number one, and the preachers need to preach against fornication, they need to preach against adultery.
And show them why. Yeah. And it's not only the physical thing, but it's damaging to the spirit, it's damaging to the heart, and also it gives you memories that you can't erase, that you don't want to have in your head.
There's stuff in your head that you don't want in there. You know, like I do, over the years, I did, like I said, a lot of marriage constant. It's always the same, the wife always says, he doesn't love me, and the husbands always say she doesn't respect me. Now it's interesting here, now, older women are instructed to teach the younger women to love their husbands, but God here, he commands the men to love their wives, and the wives to reverence and obey their husbands. Yes. But as we read here, it's submit yourselves one to another in the fear of God. If you don't have the fear of God in you, you don't know how to submit yourselves one to another. Absolutely. You know, wives, submit yourself to your own husbands as unto the Lord.
If she has not submitted unto the Lord, she has no idea of how to submit herself to her husband. Right. Absolutely. And see, today, you know, it's kind of like, you know, husbands when they get a new car, they keep it polished, they keep it shined up, you know, you park it where no one will park next to it.
But after it gets a few miles on it, you don't take such good care of it. Sometimes that's the way we deal with wives. And that's what we need to teach the men is there's, things happen in marriages and we're going to change and she's going to change and she isn't going to look like one of these Hollywood whores all the time. Absolutely.
You know, what you see on the TV. Well, today, it's women who, you know, they think it's wrong to be obedient to your husband. And so, Saturday is my 57th. Hey, 57 years of merit. Wonderful.
Yeah, it was 57 years of wit and bliss and 56 for her and one for me. Okay. Are they kidding? Are they kidding? If she's listening, you're in trouble.
If she's listening. Right. Style told me to say that. No.
Yeah, it was me. All right. We'll be back right after this. The doctor did our dirty work, so now we pay the bill.
We thought he solved our problem, but our life's a living hell. I toss and turn in bed at night because, God, it's hard to sleep. In my heart and in my mind, I hear a voice that says to me, you could have took me fishing dead. You could have taught me how to swim. I could have made you proud of me, now I'll never have that chance. I could have been your little boy, standing right there by your side. I could have been your pride and joy, daddy, did I have to die?
I never thought of it as right or wrong, but I think about it now. Oh, God, I'd give my life if I could just turn time back somehow. I'd let him live and watch him grow, I'd buy him everything, but now he won't need a ball or a bat, he'll never play one game. You could have been my hero, dad, you could have done what daddies do. You could have rode me on your back, you could have taught me to tie my shoes. I could have grown into a man, I should have had my chance at life. We could have been the best of friends, daddy, did I have to die? God, the choice of life belongs to you, it wasn't hers or mine, and I know she feels the same way, too, sometimes I hear her cry.
How can we ever be the same or live with what was done? Instead of these two broken hearts, God, we might have had a son. You could have been my hero, dad, you could have done what daddies do. You could have rode me on your back, you could have taught me to tie my shoes. I could have been your little boy standing right there by your side. I could have been your pride and joy, daddy, did I have to die? Daddy, did I have to die? No you didn't have to die.
If people would have listened to us on the first issue on, we would have saved a lot more babies, but at least they listened to us on the second issue one, praise the good Lord for that, they did what we asked, they actually read the ballot, and that's why we beat them, and boy, the dark state is really upset, they couldn't believe it, because they spent millions and millions of dollars trying to take away our rights, now they've got another one coming up, they're calling the Voters Freedom Act or whatever, and it's exactly the opposite of what they say. All right, we have Tom Haviland, Tom Haviland is with us, are you there, Tom? I'm there, Pastor Ernie, thanks for having me on the show, I appreciate my assistant Laura Kasner setting us up for this interview. She's sitting right here, she's going to introduce you, we know that you're a retired Air Force major, and well, Laura, take it away. As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago when I was on your show that I met Tom Haviland through comments on Steve Kirsch's Substack article, and that's how we got together, and Tom created the Worldwide Involver Blood Clot Survey, and Tom has a very interesting story, and so I'd like him to tell it, so take it away, Tom. Okay, before we get started though, I just want to compliment Laura, she has been a blessing to me, a perfect partner in this adventure.
She comes up with great ideas, a lot of people say, Tom, why don't we do this, why don't we do this? I say, hey, that is a great idea, so we really bounce ideas off each other, and it's really helped us over the last couple of years as we've done these surveys, and in fact, we just teamed up this last night and tonight, I went to see a comedian, Jimmy Dore, who's got a popular YouTube channel, and he's been talking about vaccine injuries, he actually is a vaccine injured person himself, and then Laura went tonight, I saw him in Dayton, Ohio, and Laura went tonight to his show in Cleveland, and both of us, when we were at his show, we displayed vials of these white fibrous clots that the embalmers have been pulling out of their corpses, so we tag teamed in order to get me on the Jimmy show, and Laura's doing all this for the right reason. She's doing this because she loves her fellow man, she loves people, and she wants to warn them about something that could be a big danger to them, and we're pretty convinced at this point in time that the COVID-19 vaccines have very harmful side effects with very little upside, so we were trying to warn the public not to take any more of these what we believe are dangerous mRNA injections. Well, they've got another one they've just brought out now that they try to push it upon the Japanese, and they're pushing them back because this is a replicating version of that. Yeah, they're getting into a different area there, too, but yeah, they operate off the same principle, basically, of getting modified RNA, ribonucleic acid, into your cells and then have your cells take over the machinery of that cell and have it, instead of being a liver cell or a spleen cell or whatever its function is to do, it's now been turned into a cell that its main function is to produce a particular type of foreign protein, then your body wants to reject, that's the whole purpose is to create antibodies, but if you don't have control over that reaction, if you have too much of this mRNA inside of you, the process could last forever and become too large, and the body starts really attacking itself, and that's what we've seen over the last few years, and the body has attacked itself in so many different ways.
It does. I had three weeks before the first person took the first shot, Wendy Wilson, one of our researchers and contributors, she called me and she told me about this new vaccine that they're coming out with, and so we took a look at it, we started researching it, we found out that this is not a vaccine at all, it's a bioweapon, it's a weapon. It's definitely a gene therapy, isn't it? It operates totally different than all the vaccines that mankind's ever developed in the past. We've done a lot of work on vaccines in the past, and so three weeks before the first person took the shot, we warned them, do not take this, this is not a vaccine, it's a bioweapon, and now since then, I had a doctor, a Jewish doctor, female gynecologist on here, and she's a liberal and she's a Democrat, but she was saying that it was killing her young women, that they were bleeding to death, they were getting blood clots. You're right, this is not a partisan issue, this is a thing that hits both Democrats and Republicans, the vaccine side effects don't care whether you're a Democrat or a Republican. Naomi Wolf is a famous left liberal person who also was appalled by the amount of damage that was being done by the vaccines to women's reproductive systems, so there were menstrual cycles, miscarriages, stillbirths, all those kind of things from the vaccine, so that she's hopped on board and this has kind of created strange bedfellows. We have a coalition of the left and the right, but we are united in this front against the vaccine.
This all actually started for me about a year before I met Laura. I lost my job back in October of 2021, I'm an electrical engineer and a former US Air Force major. I did 20 years in the US Air Force and then 16 years after that as a defense contractor working with the Air Force right here in Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, and Joe Biden came out with the vaccine mandates in fall of 2021 and I got an email from a three-star Air Force general in early October of 2021 telling the dates that the military, the government, civilians, and us defense contractors had to get our shots by or else get kicked out. So I had done research leading up to that point in time, I knew there was problems with the vaccines and I had been trying to look at information from our own CDC, they weren't putting out very good information. So what I did is I went to the UK, they were putting out pretty good information. Another version of the CDC called Public Health England, also known as UK Health Security. We get a lot of our information from them. Yeah.
Yeah. They were putting out a document every couple of weeks called SARS-CoV-2, Variants of Concern. They were putting out these technical briefings every two weeks and in technical briefing 23, which is dated 17 September of 2021, they had a table five in that document that was showing hundreds of thousands of cases, breakthrough cases of COVID amongst the fully vaccinated by the fall of 2021. So we knew then that the shots were not stopping people from catching COVID or transmitting it to others. So yeah, meanwhile, here in the States, the TV was telling everybody, oh, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated, right?
So they were lying through their teeth at us and they knew that too, but they were still pushing the lies. So I decided I was not going to take the shot for that reason, plus I was in pretty healthy shape, didn't see a need for it. And we had also heard rumblings about blood clotting issues and things like that from some of the- Myocarditis. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. And earlier that year, in fact, the J and J shot had been paused, if you remember, right after it came out. Let me tell you real quickly about that- Was paused for blood clotting issues. Let me tell you really quickly, a J and J shot. We have a prison ministry, death row ministry, and they told some of the death row inmates, if you take the shot, you get an extra food and $10. And I said, don't do it.
Do not take it. And one of the fellows took the shot, Tuesday, Thursday, he died. Okay.
Oh my goodness. And ironically, we had the same situation. The reason I'm saying this, because it was a Johnson and Johnson shot. And then we had- Yeah. They're all bad.
The AstraZeneca, and the Johnson and Johnson shot has been taken off the market, so has the Pfizer and Moderna still remain, and they're, Lord, in my opinion, they're just as dangerous as the ones that have been taken off the market already. So what I decided to do is, a three-star Air Force general had sent that email out to the whole base. I sent him back an email, and I said, shame on you. Shame on you for, instead of standing up for our right to decide for ourselves whether or not to take an experimental drug, you chose to spend your time trying to guilt us into taking a jab. Shame on you. And Pastor Ernie, I didn't just send that email to him. I CC'd all 30,000 people that work at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio.
Good for you. Well, and I knew what was going to happen. About a half hour later, I got a call from my defense contractor boss that I worked for, and I was fired from my $165,000 a year job as an engineer at the base for shaming the general in front of the entire base. But somebody had to do it.
None of the colonels, none of the generals were pushing back on these unlawful mandates. So I made my stand right there and decided that it was a good way to go out, and that's what I did. And it turned out to be a blessing, because then it gave me the time to actually, to do this, these embalmer blood clot surveys with Laura. Well, I took a stand there at the same place some years ago. We had a fellow who owned a chemical company, and he was selling chemicals, and aluminum chloride was one of those, and he was selling it to the military. And he didn't realize that they were using this in chemtrails. And when he realized that they were using them in chemtrails, he called me and asked if he could come on the program, because he said, I know that that aluminum chloride can cause Alzheimer's and some other things. So anyhow, he told him he didn't want that use.
He didn't realize and didn't want to, because he had a contract with him. So they set up a time to speak. They wanted to have a big rally right there, and they set up a rally. And they asked me to speak there, because we did programs on the chemtrails. And as I got up to the podium, the MPs came out and moved it across the street, said, you can speak, but not on Air Force property.
So they moved everything across the street there. But I took my stand. You know, this is one of the things that Laura and I have recognized over the last couple of years. It's been kind of disappointing and shocking to us. The lack of courage people have had that we know, these people know what's going on, but they fail to come out and speak about it publicly, and as a result, more people get injured and killed by the vaccine. For example, we've tried over the last two years, obviously, to get embalmers around the world to speak about this. Very few do. What's interesting is the brave ones that do, like embalmer Richard Hirschman, who was a trade embalmer in the state of Alabama, and he's the main star of the film, died suddenly.
I don't know if your audience is familiar with that film. They can still watch it on Rumble, about an hour-long documentary, and it features about seven embalmers and said they were seeing these unusual clots. They were the first ones to speak out.
People like Richard Hirschman, Mr. John O'Looney, and several others that are in the film, but they were brave. When I went down to visit Richard a year and a half ago, and he took me around to about three of the funeral homes that he actually has contracts with and embalms their corpses, every person, the funeral director and all the other people in the business, knew that the white fibers clots were happening in their corpses. They weren't willing to speak about it publicly, but they'll tell you privately. And the same thing is happening with vascular surgeons and what's called endovascular specialists and people that work in cath labs, catheterization labs around the country in hospitals. They're removing these clots from living patients and have been doing so for the last three years. I have found a whistleblower who admitted that he's been doing this.
He's a cardiologist, endovascular specialist in Jacksonville, Florida, and he's communicated to me, even sent me emails with photos of white fibers clots removed, and then the angiograms on what they look like in the person's leg or wherever before they were removed. But again, he's afraid to come speak about it publicly. But what's shocking about that is how these people sleep at night. Knowing that by staying silent, more people may still take the vaccines thinking that they're safe and this important information, if people would speak up about it, could maybe get these things pulled off the shelves. So that's one of the biggest things that Laura and I have come across is this lack of courage.
It's just shocking. In fact, we just did a recent survey. We tried to do one with the societies for vascular surgery around the world. We came up with a special cath lab worker survey for them, for doctors, vascular surgeons, endovascular specialists, other people that work in these cath labs to take to see what they're seeing in the way of white clots in living people.
And I sent it, for example, to the United States Society for Vascular Surgery, it's headquartered in Rosemont, Illinois, and they have over 6,300 members across the nation. And they refused, they sent me back an email saying they refused to take the survey or distribute it to their 6,300 membership in order to take it. So they're just flat out and it's in violation of their own code of ethics and their own mission statement. They're afraid of the cancel culture.
Here's something that's interesting in the immortal words of Forrest Gump, when he said stupid is as stupid does. Here at the Cleveland Clinic here about two years ago, the Cleveland Clinic did a study and they said that if you had taken the shot, you were four times more likely to get COVID than if you hadn't taken a shot. Now this is the Cleveland Clinic, they come out and they do this study, now they had demanded that their employees take the shot.
There were a group that refused to do it and they contacted me. But at the same time, they just came out with this study that says if you took the shot, you were four times more likely to get the COVID, and if you're four times more likely to get the COVID, you're four times more likely to die from the COVID, right? But here's the interesting thing, after doing that, after telling you that you're four times more likely to get the COVID, they're still offering the shot, okay? I know. And it's like- I saw recently there's an article that came out about where the status of healthcare workers across the United States taking vaccines, and about 80% of physicians and nurses across the nation are still taking the flu shot.
Did you know, Pastor Ernie, that only about 15% of doctors and nurses across the nation are now taking the latest COVID shots? Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah, I know. The uptake is down to 15. But then, like you say, they turn around and they actually recommend it for you or your six-month-old child.
Yeah. It's absurd. They're not taking it themselves, but they're pushing it on you. That shows you what the lack of character that's happening in our medical system.
It's corrupt, and it's unfortunate because this is a system that we used to all have a lot of trust in, and a lot of Americans have lost a lot of trust. You're not kidding. They have taken a huge credibility shot, for sure. In terms of the surveys that Laura and I did, we did our first survey covering what the bombers were seeing through the year 2022, and when we did that survey, we got about 179 responses to that survey, and by the way, when we did our survey, we asked basic questions of these embalmers.
We asked them, you know, what are you saying in the way of these unusual white fibrous clots? When? Where?
And how much? Just to kind of keep it simple. And at no point in any of our surveys have we ever mentioned the words COVID or COVID vaccine. We try to keep the survey as unbiased as possible, and we used a two-prong approach for distributing the survey. Laura and I, we looked up the email addresses for over 1,700 funeral homes around the world, and we sent the survey link to them directly, the Survey Monkey Survey, and then we also used a top-down approach by contacting 50 national, regional, and state funeral director associations, you know, each with hundreds of members under them, and asked them to distribute the survey down to everybody in their membership so the active embalmers could take the survey.
So in that first survey, we got 179 responses. 119 of the embalmers, almost exactly two-thirds, did indeed, said they were seeing the white fibrous clots. The main consensus of those embalmers was that they started seeing those clots in 2021 after the vaccines rolled out. And the really shocking thing, Pastor Ernie, is that the average of the embalmers were seeing the clots in 30% of their corpses in 2022. Wow.
Yeah. So this is not a rare phenomenon. These things are quite prevalent, and they hit every age group.
You know, they can be in teenagers, they can be in the elderly, and everyone in between. So what was interesting is, in that first survey, is even though we never mentioned the words COVID or COVID vaccine, we have a comment section at the end of each of our surveys where we allow the embalmers to expound upon what they're seeing if they want to. If they want to, it's optional.
They don't have to answer if they don't want to. But we received a lot of comments to both of our surveys that we've run so far, and the embalmer seemed to have a lot of opinions concerning the vaccine, even though we never mentioned it in the survey. Would you like to hear a few? Sure.
Absolutely. I'll read a few to you. Here's one from a naysayer from our own state of Ohio. He says, the fibrous structures being described are blood clots that have always been observed during embalming. They are anti-mortem, before-death clots.
The grape jelly clots being described are clots that form post-mortem due to coagulation of blood. I have not noticed a difference in clotting, nor do I have knowledge who is vaccinated or not vaccinated when I'm embalming. I do not believe that the COVID-19 vaccination has anything to do with an alleged increase in clotting in the deceased. So you can see that person's thinking about the vaccine, even though I've never mentioned the vaccine in the survey.
Here's one from the state of Alabama. I've seen clotting coming from most any of the points of incision. I mainly embalm in the carotids, and I've seen many white fibrous clots about the time the vaccine came out. I've seen an increase since COVID also for the grape jelly clots. So he has the exact opposite opinion of the first embalmer.
Here's another one. This is a naysayer from California. Never seen any white fibrous clots or any increase in grape jelly clots.
Not sure what you're getting at. Do you believe this is vaccine related or something? I've embalmed over 500 people from 2020 to now, and I've never seen any of this.
Now I'll give you another one. This one's also from Ohio. People that were COVID confirmed had bad grape jelly clots. It was early 2021 when we started seeing the white fibrin structures being pulled out of both the veins and arteries of people. Prior to 2021, we never pulled a clot from an artery.
I just pulled a white structure from the right common carotid yesterday. So you see we're getting very different opinions from different embalmers, and a lot of them are mentioning the possibility of the COVID vaccine being involved or not. And what's hard for the people that embalmers like this is the 70% that said they were seeing the white fibrous clots compared to the only 30% that says they're not, is it's kind of hard to deny when you go watch the movie like Die Suddenly or when you're holding vials of these clots in your hand like Laura and I have, we get samples from embalmer Richard Hirschman and we actually show them to people, it's kind of hard to deny they exist when you're actually holding them right in your hand. And for the embalmers that say that they've actually saw them well before 2019, before COVID or the vaccines ever came around, that doesn't make sense either because we're in touch with doctors like Dr. John Campbell, who runs a popular YouTube channel in the UK, and he has stacks of pathology books and he says, I've gone through all my pathology books, Tom, and there's nothing like this phenomenon in there. Embalmers prior to 2020 and the pandemic only saw two main types of clots, what's called grape jelly clots that look just like grape jelly and they dissolve easy in their hand, or chicken fat clots, which are yellowish in color, smaller, and they tear very easily, much different than these long, large, white fibrous clots, which are really tough, rubbery, elastic, and can be as long as four to 10 inches or even up to two feet or more.
Richard Hirschman recently pulled one out of a corpse that was 19 inches long. These things are very unusual, never seen before, and Dr. Campbell says this is indeed a new pathology. They remind me of worms, you know, that you would have, that I've seen come out of people.
Tony, you mentioned that. Here's the next comment from an embalmer in Missouri. The clots almost look like large nightcrawler worms, they are usually very long, they kind of branch off the main clot. I started noticing them after the COVID vaccine came out. I've been embalming for 13 years and I've only started seeing these clots for the last year or two.
That was when we did a survey back in 2022, so yeah. I saw a documentary one time where they did this thing on tapeworms and they showed how they actually had a fellow who, they put him on a hunger strike for a while, but they used this and then they put some very aromatic food out there right in front of him. He sat there with his mouth open and that tapeworm actually crawled out of his mouth towards the food.
Well, these things aren't tapeworms. Laura and I are in touch with a group of scientists on the other side of the world, they're looking at these clots and they've done several types of scientific tests on them and they've determined, they believe that what's happening is that the spike protein, either from the virus itself or from the vaccine, is damaging what's called the endothelial lining of our blood vessels. Our veins and arteries have a thin inner wall layer called the endothelial lining and it's only a single layer of cells and whenever that lining of the inner walls of the blood vessels becomes damaged, it triggers the normal clotting response. We all have a protein that's produced by the liver called fibrinogen. It's involved in the clotting process and that fibrinogen is actually in our plasma in our blood and it's in a liquid form. But when damage is done to the endothelial lining, then it triggers the clotting response and it triggers the conversion of that liquid fibrinogen into a white solid called fibrin, which then aggregates with platelets and then it clots up and blocks up wherever the cut or the injury is in the blood vessel. Then later on, another enzyme called plasmid that we all have then breaks down the clot so then blood can flow again after that spot on the wall of the blood vessel has been healed.
What we think is happening is the spike protein, either from the virus or from the spike protein that's produced by the vaccine, is damaging that endothelial lining tremendously. Tom, we're coming up to a break and when we come back from the break, we're going to pick it up there. So hang tight.
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