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The phone lines are now open at 888-281-1110 or 888-677-9673. Folks, we really got to hear from you again. I just want to remind you, we came within a razor thin edge of having to go off three stations, and we didn't.
And by God's grace, at the very last minute, just the very last minute, a number of you folks responded. And we ended up negotiating maybe some better airtime now, and that's still in the process. But anyhow, again, I mean, it's just as simple, you know, we had told you before for six months that we had to hear from these certain stations, and we went off six stations out there, Atlanta and Denver and Portland and all these because we weren't getting the support. And as soon as we were off those stations, then we were hearing from the people, can you get back on?
Well, we can if we were getting enough support. But right now, I want to stay in Dallas. Right now, I want to stay in San Diego.
Right now, I want to stay in Chicago. And, you know, there's some stations that are carrying the others, and we need to hear from you. We really need to hear from you, or you won't be hearing from us. I mean, it's, you know, I don't know what else to tell you.
It's that simple. Okay, Bo and Cleveland Pledges 200. Thank you, Bo. Okay, we have, you know, we're telling you here, and again, we keep trying to tell you, God's Word, the Bible, God is not mocked. God is not mocked, folks. And listen, I know sometimes you say, well, Pastor, you're awful hard on sin. Well, I'm supposed to be hard on sin.
Okay? Hey, listen, have you ever heard of people like Phineas, okay, in the Bible, or Nathan, or Samuel? These guys were hard. You know, there was a fellow named Agog. Agog, he was a king. He got cut to pieces, right?
And Phineas, he ran some people through. I'm just telling you what God's Word, the Bible says. America is standing in the shadow of a holy God, and a just God. And God is angry with the wicked every day.
And now you're saying that America, that the number one issue for the entire Democratic Communist Party is the ability to kill babies. You're saying you have the right to kill a baby. You're telling God you have the right to destroy His image. And God says for those that do that, okay, that you deserve not only to die, but folks, you deserve to burn in hell.
That's what God has said. And so, guess who's going to get his way at the end? Guess who wins this argument? So, anyhow, we're going to listen to a clip here, and this is a clip between two former abortionists. And they're talking to two survivors. These two women survived the deadly assault on their lives. And there's a conversation that's taken place between these four people here.
And so, we're going to play like seven-minute segments, but meanwhile, while we're doing that, the phones have got to light up and take her away. Can you each share briefly how many abortions that you were involved with and the kinds of abortion procedures that you performed? It's hard to know because I never counted, but I went through it with one of the residents who did the same clinic I did, and we figured out I probably did 500. I not only did first trimester abortions, but I went outside my program to learn how to do dismemberment abortions. What were the ages of the dismemberment abortions that you did, the ages of the children?
I think they might have gone up as high as 24 weeks, but I'm not really sure. I know they were good-sized babies, and as awful as it sounds, it was sort of like the technical challenge, and the bigger the better. It's hard to say that now, but that was the truth. What was it like for you to do those abortions? I was so focused on helping the woman. Even as I counted the body parts, I did not see them as human.
I didn't see them as people. It was just the procedure, the woman on the table. That was my focus, helping her, and I somehow was able to totally black out that child. I tried so hard to make this really painful procedure less painful for my patient. I never even considered what the baby was feeling, and we now know that they feel pain, and I just can't imagine the excruciating pain that they suffered at my hand. Between June of 1980 and February of 1985, in private practice, I performed just under 1,200 abortions. About 10% of them, or 124 of them, were second trimester D&E dismemberment abortions. And the rest were they first trimester abortions?
Yes. Did either of you ever know anyone or get involved with yourself with saline abortions? I did saline abortions during my training as a resident.
If patients were late 70s, technology was different. If patients were 13 weeks from last menstrual period or less, we did the suctioned D&Cs in the delivery room of all places. And if they were more than 13 weeks, we'd make them wait until they were about 16 or 17 weeks and then bring them back for saline abortion procedures. What was it like when you were doing saline abortions? Can you describe what the experience was and what happened during those abortions?
The procedure is to, in amniocentesis, put a needle into the uterus, into the amniotic sac, draw as much of the amniotic fluid out as possible, and then substitute 20% salt solution. These women had to go through labor. I mean, the salt solution would burn the babies, and when they died, it would release prostaglandins and initiated labor. So these women had to go through labor.
It was anywhere from, I saw them run anywhere between 8 and 36 hours between the time we did the saline injections and the babies were delivered. I never had a live birth with that procedure, although it was possible. It's just a horrific procedure, especially for patients, going through the abortion at all and then being in labor that long. And that was why when D&E abortions were developed in the early 80s, my partner and I jumped on the bandwagon because we saw it as a far better procedure than the saline. What did the babies look like after a saline abortion, and what were usually the ages of the babies? They were 16 weeks and up, typically up to around, as I recall, maybe 21 or 22 weeks.
We could do them later, but that and my hospital needed special approval, so we didn't get very many of those. The babies were intact, they were dead, but you could see where the skin was macerated or burned from the chemicals. Claire and Melissa, you both have survived abortion attempts. Can you start, Melissa, first by sharing your story about the abortion attempt that you survived? Yeah, as we're talking about saline abortions, that's who I am. So my medical records reflected my birth mother was between 18 and 20 weeks pregnant when a saline infusion abortion was forced upon her against her will, bypassing hospital regulations at that time. But through my medical records, we now know that she was probably more like 31 weeks when that abortion was performed.
I soaked in that toxic salt solution. My birth mother experienced that over a five-day period. And the belief, of course, was that it would successfully end my life, but the fear then became that she was going to lose hers in it because it was taking so long. So on the fifth day of the abortion procedure, I was finally expelled from the womb, delivered at St. Luke's Hospital in Sioux City, Iowa, not because they were intending for me to be born alive and they would provide me medical care, but simply because that's where that late-term abortion was being performed. And the day that I now celebrate as my birthday is the day that I was accidentally born alive. And I think that's one of those things that people in our world take for granted, that it is a privilege for people to have a birthday.
It shouldn't be. But what's the difference between the three of you and Claire and I? Why is it the day that we were accidentally born? Claire, what kind of abortion procedure did you survive? My birth mother was taken to have an abortion at 20 weeks, and she had a dismemberment, DNE abortion, and she was told that it was successful, that she could go home and go back to her normal life, but she went home and realized that things weren't right.
And she was home for about four weeks, went back to the doctor, and they told her that she had been leaking amniotic fluid and that her abortion had been successful on one baby, but that I had survived her. All right, we're back. Tony apartment pledges 50. Thank you, Tony. 888-281-1110, folks. We've got to keep hearing from you.
We really do. 888-677-9673. I remember back in 2008, I remember Barack Hussein Obama. I had a nurse from Illinois. She was here on the radio program, and she was talking about how the wicked, this Barack Hussein Obama, how he introduced legislation. He tried to pass legislation that a baby that survived an attempt on his life, a baby that survived attempted murder by the Democrats, by the Democratic communists, that that baby, in his words, Barack Obama's words, that thing was never meant to live anyway.
It should be put on a shelf and left to die. That's the mindset of a Democrat right there. Now, Timmy Walls, and we have other names for him, he, in Minnesota, the governor of Minnesota, he said he wanted to take away all help that a child that survived abortion should not be allowed to survive, that that child had to be killed, that child had that wicked, evil, ungodly man. And I just pray, because these people are so wicked, they're so wicked, they need to be removed.
And I just pray that those that love death the way they do, that God would visit that death upon their own heads, okay, lest they repent that he should visit some people and say, well, boy, Pastor Oney, that's awful mean of you. Well, guess what? The only people that have already been born will say that, you know. It's all right when you've already been born and everything. You know, there's something that I really can't tolerate, and that's hypocrisy.
Really don't like it, and really don't, okay. And so that's why the difference here at this ministry, we're real here. We mean what we say, we say what we mean, we're real. And, folks, that's why, and we've never backed down from the pressure to compromise. And, of course, they've had that on for years. And so the number is 888-281-1110.
That's the credit card line, or 888-677-9673. Bring us back to Lila Rose. D and E abortion. And I was born just a few weeks later. I was born ten weeks premature.
I weighed three pounds. I had a dislocated hip, and I had clubbed feet. And she had a dry birth, and so she was told that those complications were due to that and due to the abortion. Claire, what is it like hearing Dr. Altman and Dr. Levatino, both of them having been involved with D and E abortions, what is that like, hearing about that?
It's hard. I mean, it's hard for me to hear that the humanity of my twin was not recognized as you pieced babies' bodies back together. Because I know, like you said, 20 weeks that my twin must have felt something.
And, I mean, it makes me wonder. I've always wanted to ask a former abortionist, like, what would my birth mother have experienced during her abortion that successfully aborted my twin? Because she said it was incredibly painful and incredibly hard. It's a lot of pain. There's no anesthesia, unless you're in general, there's no real anesthesia to the body of the uterus, just the cervix.
And you're going in and out and pushing and pulling, and they're cramping, and it's very painful. It's a little different in my experience. We would do suction D&Cs up to 10 weeks in the office, but beyond that we would be in a hospital.
That was at the time. I know that's not the way it's usually done now. I think it's insane not having a patient be in a proper environment because complications can occur with D and E abortions. So my patients were anesthetized doing D and E abortions, and they would not have gone through that. On the other hand, I always tell my medical students a story about doing a D and E. And this is why I know these are done in freestanding clinics, and I personally can't picture it. I had the experience of doing an 18-week D and E, and you're using instruments to pull out arms and legs, but instead of arms and legs, I got the ladies' intestines in my clamp.
The uterus had been perforated, the intestine got grabbed and pulled all the way through the uterus to the outside. But I've got my patient, and this is why we did it in a hospital, as a safety measure. This patient is in a sterile environment, anesthetized, get a surgeon, fix the bowel, complete the abortion, and she did okay. So I can't even picture doing it outside of a hospital environment personally. We were in an office doing those. I never had any of those complications, but when I was on call later, after stopping abortions, we had a woman come into the emergency room with her bowel hanging from her vagina.
They were concerned that she wouldn't live. Did either of you ever have an incomplete abortion, to your knowledge? Yes, certainly in my training I did. I'm trying to think of all the abortions I did once I was in attending. I have to imagine I had a handful, but not very many if I did, because I was getting very good at it at that point.
But definitely, certainly in my training I did. What happened in that training experience with the incomplete abortion? In the particular one I'm thinking of, I had done a suction D&C on a patient, and everything seemed to be fine. And a day or two later I got a call from the chairman of the department telling me that this woman was sitting home watching TV when she literally dropped out her baby's arm on the couch or something and obviously had a pretty severe reaction to that. And we brought her in and completed the abortion. Melissa, you endured a saline abortion. Dr. Levatino, early on in his practice, was involved with saline abortions.
Do you have any questions for Dr. Levatino? One of the commentaries I hear often from survivors and women that we serve at the Abortion Survivors Network is that they aren't provided a proper exam. And I know in my birth mother's experience that's what she experienced as well. The abortionist did not provide an adequate exam to know how far along she truly was. So I'm curious, Dr. Levatino, what your feedback to my abortionist would be. I'm listening to your abortion story about your mom was projected to be, what, 18 or 19 weeks pregnant, and she was actually 31. And this is a medical term that is not complementary. What kind of barber doesn't know the difference between a 19-week and a 31-week pregnancy?
I can't even imagine that. And again, I teach medical students, and I try to impress on them several things. First, they are not agents of the state. The other thing, too, is that it is incredibly important to understand exactly what the gestational age of your patient is before you start an abortion procedure. And again, we weren't running a free-standing abortion clinic.
This was my office. And it's different in that case. If you want to have your baby, that's great. If you want to have an abortion, that's fine. We knew that it was so important never to be caught in a situation where you had a gestational age that you didn't know for sure. We did ultrasounds on every single one of our abortion patients. We had an ultrasound machine in the office. We did not charge them for those ultrasounds. That was part of our evaluation to make sure we never got in that situation.
And it troubles me now when I hear about this is a little more far afield, but I've got to say it. I hear now about medical abortion or chemical abortion being done with Internet websites where your contact with the patient is limited to either a video chat or text. How in the name of anyone can you determine gestational age by just talking to somebody? She'll give you her last menstrual period if she knows it. But you cannot adequately determine gestational age on video chat.
You cannot tell if a patient may be carrying an ectopic pregnancy on a video chat. This is dangerous, and this is being promoted. Alrighty. Sheila in Michigan pledges $150. Thank you, Sheila.
Tim in California pledges $50. Thank you, Tim. Alright, I've got to tell you something here, style, and that is this, that when it comes to child killing, the reality, I've known over the years a number of these abortionists. I mean, I've gone after them. I've really gone after them. In this ministry, since 1973, we've saved over 24,000 babies from abortions.
It sounds like a lot, but that's over a 50-year period. And we lost a whole lot more than we saved, but we saved them. We were out there.
We don't take, we don't get paid for doing this. I spent 45 years on the sidewalks in front of those bloody abortion mills, preaching, been arrested, fought with corrupt judicial, corrupt cops. Went after, we never backed down. We always went, right after, the corrupt, those that were on the payroll and that, we went after them, live on the air. We brought it out and got arrested a number of times, but always for doing the Lord's work.
We never made any money here. In fact, they tried to reco me, and all three times it was thrown out of court because not only was I not making any money saving babies, I was losing a lot of money. And so, but anyhow, and we would do it all over again.
I'd do it all over again. Folks, you've got to understand something too. These young women, the Bible says the wages of sin is death.
The wages of sin is death. These young women that have killed their babies are seven times more likely to commit suicide. Than the contemporaries.
Seven times, okay? These abortionists, they have a real history of alcoholism and drugs. I mean, a real history. And they have a real history of wife beating. They really have a big history of wife beating. When they go to prison, and we put many of them there, they have to be isolated from the other inmates.
Even the pedophiles would kill an abortionist. They're looked upon as the lowest of low within the prison system out there today. And they should be. They kill the most innocent babies out there.
That's the reality. That you won't hear it from anybody at NBC, ABC, CBS, because they don't have the decency. They don't have the common decency, the integrity. There's no honor there in these stations, okay?
There's just no honor. They have no fear of God, or they wouldn't do what they do. Now that's the truth. And you say, well, pastor, why aren't we hearing this from other pastors? The truth is, you do hear it from, there's a handful, there's a small percentage of real men of God who were raised up, that God had raised up and put in the pulpit, and they preach uncompromising gospel. But the vast majority were not raised up by God. Some of them were raised up by their mamas. And if they had, if they were saved, if they were truly saved, they would be as bold as lions.
If God had raised them up, they'd be bold as lions, and they would be preaching this, but they're not. And that's just the reality of it. And so, anyhow, I'm going to go back. The numbers are 888-281-1110, or 888-677-9673. We need to hear from you.
We really do. And I'd like to have, I'll tell you what I'm going to do, okay? Put my money where my mouth is.
I did this last night. I got three matches. I pledged a thousand last night, and I got three matches.
And again, folks, I don't make any money doing this at all. It all goes right into the ministry. The cause is a righteous cause. That's why, I mean, we really do believe here. Listen, we really do believe what we're preaching here, for real, okay? And you say, well, you act like, Pastor, that a lot of people don't believe what they're saying. They don't. I've had people tell me, yeah, you know, I believe that too. They tell me with their lips.
But their actions show me something completely different, okay? And so, here, folks, we really do believe what we're doing here. We really do believe it's a righteous cause. And we're all in. We're sold out completely and totally here to the Lord. And so, we're going to go back.
Take us back. If you would have been my abortionist, and you knew that my birth mom was 31 weeks instead of 18 to 20, what would you have done? We're going to have a delivery. We did DNA abortions up to 24 weeks. If she was 31 weeks pregnant, I'd say, ma'am, it turns out you're actually 31 weeks pregnant, and we're going to see you for your prenatal care. And then we would talk to her in terms of, now, if you don't wish to raise a child, we can help you with adopting that child. This is why I say this is the difference between working in an abortion clinic and an office.
But we would have taken care of her for the remainder of her pregnancy if she wished to retain us as her physician, delivered her child, and then went on from there. Basically, you would have been talking about an induction or a partial birth abortion, which they weren't doing at those times, DNx. It's funny, even when I was actively doing abortions, when I heard about the DNx procedure, I thought, why aren't they arrested for murder?
You know, it was beyond my comprehension. Even though I totally believed in abortion and did them myself, I could not understand why they were not arrested for that procedure. If I treated a dog the way I treated unborn fetuses and embryos and abortions, that would be animal abuse. Can you imagine the outcry if people heard that puppies were being ripped limb from limb with no anesthesia? People wouldn't condone it.
They'd be outraged. You shared a little bit, Dr. Altman, but what would you be doing to the dog that would be illegal that you could have done or you did do to the... Dismemberment, as she said, literally tearing off arms and legs. Well, the embryo or the fetus is alive.
Absolutely. That's what a DNE abortion is. Both of you always completed the procedures. It sounds like you had one incomplete, but it wasn't a born alive situation. Was there an aspect of abortion that you felt you were especially good at or competent at while you were practicing as abortionists? I thought it was better than most of my colleagues. I felt I could do it as painlessly as possible. None of the others went on to learn how to do DNEs.
It's funny, though, how God finds the dark places of your soul. The one thing that I continued to be proud about even after I became pro-life was that once in the clinic, the woman was supposed to be 12 weeks. She actually was 16. Because I had the DNE training, I was able to complete her abortion because at the time it was very stressful because she was bleeding. I thought she was going to bleed to death, and so I was really thankful that I was able to complete the abortion. I later met a survivor who related her story right before I was going to relate my story, and it turns out that her mother went in for D&C with suction at 16 weeks, which I cannot understand why the doctor even attempted it. He told the mother her head was too big, he couldn't complete the abortion to go home, and she'd miscarry. Well, she never miscarried, and Jennifer was born. And I looked at Jennifer after she finished speaking, and I said, Jennifer, I'm so thankful I was not your mother's abortionist because I could have finished the procedure and you would not be here. And that was the first time I thought maybe this good thing that I thought I did was really a bad thing, and maybe that baby would have lived. Melissa or Claire, do either of you have any questions for Dr. Altman or Dr. Levatino, anything that you'd like to say to them? The doctor did our dirty work, so now we pay the bill.
We thought he solved our problem, but our life's a living hell. I toss and turn in bed at night, because, God, it's hard to sleep. In my heart and in my mind I hear a voice that says to me, you could have took me fishing, Dad. You could have taught me how to swim. I could have made you proud of me. Now I'll never have that chance. I could have been your little boy standing right there by your side. I could have been your pride and joy. Did I have to die?
I never thought of it as right or wrong, but I think about it now. Oh, God, I'd give my life if I could just turn time back somehow. I'd let him live and watch him grow. I'd buy him everything. But now he won't need a ball or bat.
He'll never play one game. You could have been my hero, Dad. You could have done what daddies do. You could have wrote me on your back.
You could have taught me to tie my shoes. I could have grown into a man. I should have had my chance at life. We could have been the best of friends. Daddy, did I have to die?
God, the choice of life belongs to you. It wasn't hers or mine. And I know she feels the same way, too.
Sometimes I hear her cry. How can we ever be the same or live with what was done? Instead of these two broken hearts, God, we might have had a son. You could have been my hero, Dad. You could have done what daddies do. You could have wrote me on your back. You could have taught me to tie my shoes. I could have been your little boy, standing right there by your side.
I could have been your private joy. Daddy, did I have to die? Daddy, did I have to die?
No, you didn't have to die. It's because of unrepentant, wicked people. And here again, the number one issue, the number one cause for the Democratic Communist Party, the party of death, is to kill children. To kill children, folks.
How much more wicked can that possibly get? Anyhow, that was Danny Ray. Danny was a very ardent pro-lifer. And for years, he's written a number of songs. And Danny went home to be with the Lord himself.
But a very good friend for many years. Anyhow, let's finish this episode. Oh, wait a minute. 888-281-1110. We've got to hear from you. 888-281-1110. Or 888-677-9673.
888-677-9673. We'll be back after this. I survived my birth mother's D&E abortion that aborted my twin next to me. I've always wondered what my twin actually experienced and what maybe I experienced in the womb next to my twin.
Could you describe maybe what both of us would have experienced? A lot depends on the anesthesia that your mother was given. Again, in a procedure that I would have done, it was under a light general anesthetic. That anesthetic will eventually anesthetize a fetus in the womb. It takes about eight or nine minutes for those anesthetics to circulate into the uterus.
Before then, they would feel everything as far as being pulled apart. I'm no expert on fetal pain. I've done amniocentesis. Just amniocentesis for diagnostic procedures. You're putting a needle into the amniotic sac where the baby is. And you can hit the baby with a needle. You can't see them.
And you can feel them pull away. We're talking 16 and 17 weeks. So anyone who sits there and tells you that these fetuses can't feel pain, I don't believe that for a minute. So they would feel the pain of being dismembered until and unless that anesthesia kicked in, if they're even using the kind of anesthesia that would do that. And in our case, there was no anesthesia, just a paraservical block which just blocks the pain in the cervix. But the baby would not have been anesthetized at all. But again, it depends what your mother had. If she was feeling the pain, the baby was feeling the pain. It's so hard to be with abortion survivors knowing that, you know, I was a perpetrator.
I'm the evil one. I'm just thankful for your forgiveness, which you've both given me. I'm sorry, you know, sorry for all of us.
But it's also very healing, you know. I'm just thankful that God, you know, ran after me and grabbed me out of that situation and allows me now to try to save babies instead of killing them. From what I know, my abortionist didn't practice anymore after I survived. Interesting. Sounds like that person needed to find another career anyway. Yeah, yeah.
Clearly wasn't very good at what they were doing. When I think about my abortionist and even my grandmother. My grandmother was a nurse, right?
She was either helping to deliver babies or now I know at least one abortion and I would suspect there were more. But when I think about the final days of his life, I've always wondered if he ever thought of me. And I don't know that you can answer that. I can only speak for myself. Yeah, I think about them. I lost my daughter before her sixth birthday. My brother Mark was my closest friend in the world.
He died of cancer 12 years ago. And I believe, certainly I want to believe, but I do believe that when my time comes, the two of them are going to be there. I'll know it's time because they're going to be there. I believe that.
But it scares the hell out of me that maybe those 1200 kids are going to be there too. I would think he would have to think about you. I think about the babies that I aborted and they didn't survive. I think the fact that he stopped practicing after you were born, he must have thought about you.
Are there any other questions or anything else that either of you would like to say or either of you would like to say to one another? It amazes me that people in government even can get up and say that there are no abortion survivors. We don't need laws to protect them when we hurt people like Jill and you. We know that abortion survivors are there and we know that they're being left to just die or actively killed and that there have got to be protections. Well, and for me, when they dismiss us and marginalize us and try to shame us and silence us, I always like to remind people they're silencing and shaming the women, our birth mothers and mothers who are going through it, and they're doing the same to clinic workers, abortionists, health care workers.
And so in the grand scheme of things, all of us are so much more alike in that respect. A PA pledges 100. Sabre in Michigan, 200. Doers of the Word Baptist Church, Pastor Sanders pledges 1,000. I'm looking for a mask. Can I get one mask?
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That's 888-281-1110 or 888-677-9673, 888-677-9673. Real quickly, I want to say, in a jaw-dropping statement, Bill Clinton admits Kamala Harris is responsible for the murder of Laken Riley. Well, what he actually did is came out and he said, if the people had been properly vented, then you wouldn't have these illegal aliens killing people, right?
Well, who was it that brought them in and made sure they were not properly vented? It was Kamala and Biden. Biden and Kamala, folks. And so, of course, Clinton tried to walk that back. And let me tell you what Bill Clinton's worried about.
He is very, very worried about Donald Trump from getting into office, and here's why. Well, it goes back to the Epstein's Island. It goes back to P. Diddy. There's investigations. Now, big, big money is being spent to keep things quiet. A lot of hush money. A lot of hush money is being spent out there. We know it.
We all know it. And Clinton, him and Hillary, they're very worried about Trump getting back in because eventually this stuff's going to catch him, and that's what Bill Clinton is worried about. He's out there stumping like he is because he's scared to death, and that's why he's out there, and this is why all of this stuff is happening. Why? Listen.
Listen to me. When they tell you about Iran, Iran is threatening to the Ayatollah to take out President Trump, and Joe-Baba Biden says, Well, if you do that, if you kill my dear friend, then, well, he didn't actually say that, but then that's an act of war. But is it really Iran, or would it be the CIA that we have to worry about? Did Iran take out both the Kennedys? No, but we know who did, don't we?
And so, folks, you don't have to worry much about Iran as you do the CIA and the corrupt federal government. That's where the danger lies, but anyhow, we have Pastor Howe in the studio here with us, okay? He was in the back room taking calls, but they threw him out, and so now he's in here with me. We're coming up to the most important part of the program, Pastor Howe. The days we're living in, is 2 Timothy chapter 3 unfolding right before our eyes?
Yes, we are. Now, you and I recognize this, but what do you think about the vast majority of people out there? What percentage of them do you think they actually understand what's happening? A pretty small percentage, because you have to be biblically literate to understand what's going on, and indoctrination is so strong that most people, you know, they get their information from CNN. They get it from the Bible or the Word of God. They're totally brainwashed and indoctrinated, and that's why they call up, down, and down, up, good, evil, evil, good. They don't have a clue, but when they stand before God, they're not going to be able to claim ignorance because they've been told. So God's word, you know, is God mocked? There's people that think they can mock them, but they're going to find out that they're in big trouble when they stand before them.
So every day they insult the intelligence of God, right? And so what's happening, you know, because I remember this woman coming into the church one day when I was in my office, and she wanted me to marry a 14-year-old girl to an 18-year-old boy, and yeah. And I said, first of all, I said, and by the way, this woman had four children by four different men and hadn't married any of them now. So I said, first of all, marriage is something God takes serious and we take serious here. I said I wouldn't even think about it without, you know, before I, I always have at least three marriage counseling sessions, with the exception if a couple have been married, been living together for 25 years, then that would be a little unnecessary. But even then, we do have at least one counseling session, right? And this woman said, that's all right.
You don't need to do that. I've decided that you could go ahead. And I says, no, no. And I said, why didn't you go to your own church? Now, you know what her church was?
She attended a church, United Church of the Antichrist. And I says, you mean to tell me that they wouldn't even marry? No, they didn't.
They wouldn't do it, okay? And I said, so you go to an apostate church. I said, you've been, you have four children by four different men.
You didn't marry any of them. Don't you fear God? And she said, my God is a God that is non-judgmental. He does it, he is tolerant. He accepts us just the way we are. And he doesn't expect us to change. And I said, yeah, well, that's okay. See, that God exists in your mind.
The God that you're going to stand before, where it comes to your sin, there has never been a more intolerant man that ever walked the earth than the Lord Jesus Christ. And that's going to be your judge. You're in trouble, woman. And with that, she just flew out of the church.
I mean, and she was not happy with me. You see, the truth is hate to those that hate the truth, huh? That's for sure. And so, now the time has come, you know, where you folks out there listening to me, and you people that have been calling to try to harass our folks with a guilty conscience, you people out there with a guilty conscience, pay attention because, look, the Lord Jesus said, repent or perish, repent or perish. Pastor Howell's going to give you an invitation right now. I suggest that you take God's advice and you repent because if not, you will perish.
Yes. How much time do I have, Pastor? You have about seven minutes. About six.
Six minutes. Okay, you know, in John 14, 6, Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me. God said the penalty for sin is spiritual death, which is separation from God.
It's dying, lost, and going to hell. But now God is also a God of love. His judgment enters into it in that he said sin had to be paid for.
There's no getting around it. But his love entered into it in that he allowed Jesus Christ to pay the payment on that cross in your place. He allowed Jesus to transfer all your sin and all your guilt onto his son. So when Jesus died on the cross and he said it is finished, that meant all the work necessary for your redemption and mine has been done by the Lord Jesus.
But now that payment don't become yours automatically. Like the pastor said, except you repent, Jesus said, you shall all likewise perish. When you come to Jesus to receive that payment he paid for you on that cross, you have to come with a repentant heart. That means if you're not sorry about the fact you're a sinner, God's not going to forgive you. You've got to come admitting you're a sinner and that you regret you're sorry for those sins and ask Jesus to come into your heart.
And he'll come in. Ephesians 2, 8, and 9 says, for by grace are you saved. That means saved from hell through faith and not of yourself. It's a gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. Jesus did all the work on the cross. Now it's up to you whether you're going to receive it by faith or not.
And so John 1-12 said, but as many as received him, to them gave he the power to become the sons of God. Knowing about what Jesus did isn't going to save you. You've got to receive the payment he paid for you on that cross. And that's what they call the sinner's prayer. Romans 10, 13, for whosoever shall call, which means to pray, upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
God hears me talking to you right now. And God, right now, the Lord Jesus is knocking at the door of your heart and he's asking you if you'll open that door and let him come in. He's coming in and giving you payment for your redemption as a free gift. He can force that door open, but then it wouldn't be a free gift anymore.
It'd be something forced on you. He's giving and offering you the choice to go to heaven or go to hell. And he's the only way to heaven. So if you want to receive Christ as your Savior, you can do it a simple prayer of faith right now because he's listening. Here right now, let's pray.
And I'll lead you a few words at a time if you'd like to. But even though we're praying together, it'd be directly between you and God. Let's pray. Dear God, have mercy on me, a sinner. I confess unto you that I've sinned against thee in thought, word, and deed. And right now, Lord Jesus, I ask you to come into my heart. I believe you died on that cross and shed your precious blood for my sins. And Ephesians 1-7 says, in whom we have redemption through his blood. And God, thank you for shedding your blood for me on that cross and being my Savior. I receive you as my Savior right now, and I receive eternal life through what you did for me on that cross. In Jesus' name, amen. Now, folks, 1 John 5-13 says that these things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may know you have eternal life.
That believe on meant that you received him, not just knew about him up in your head. That you may know, not just think it or wish it or hope for it, but know that you have eternal life. That's right now. So, if you prayed that prayer in a minute, I'll see you in heaven. Go ahead, Pastor.
All right, very good, folks. We still have about nine minutes here to hear from you. We really do need to hear from you. Help us stay on the station you're on right now. You can call 888-281-1110 or 888-677-9673. Let me do that again.
888-281-1110 or 888-677-9673. There's got to be someone out there that can match me for that 1,000, that can match me for that 1,000 tonight out there. We wouldn't ask you if we didn't really need to. And we're doing it not because we get paid to do this. We're doing it because the cause is a righteous cause. And we want to be here. We want to be here when we're needed to warn the people. The time is, you know, we're living in a very interesting time, folks. Today, just as God's Word, the Bible said it would be, the time's the perilous.
And we won't compromise. We want to be here to let you know exactly as we did tonight what the dark state, the deep state is up to. So we're coming up to the end of the program. How much time do I have?
A minute and a half. All righty. Again, I'm going to give you those numbers out one more time. 888-677-9673. That's 888-677-9673. Or 888-281-1110. Or 888-281-1110. Can I find one match?
Can I find a $1,000 match? Match me tonight before we go. We've got about five minutes left tonight on the air. And so I want to thank you all for being out here. I want to thank you, the phone's starting to light again, for all the support you've given us all year long. It's been very interesting.
It's been a tough year, to tell you the truth. And so when we're at that time that we come to every night, where we say to all of you out there, thanks for being here, we want to say God bless you all. God bless you all. All right, yeah. And we want to say good night.
Good night. And then we want to say, are you ready? Are you ready?
And always, always, always, ready? Keep fighting the fight. Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight.
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