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Thank you. This is what's right, what's left, with Pastor Ernie Sanders. Good evening, and welcome to another edition of What's Right, What's Left? The voice of the Christian Resistance. on this twenty-sixth day of May.
And uh tonight My producer for the entire while is Style. Hey, Style. Hey, Pastor, how are you? I'm hanging in there tonight. And we have my guest here tonight.
My special guest is Doctor Douglas Small. From well, he's the founder of Prayers at the Heart. Hey, Doug, are you there? I am. Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me. We're going to start out tonight. I yesterday gave a Memorial Day address to. The veterans at Veterans Park And that was what a it was a really good uh parade they had there in ceremony. If I was uh asked what folks said, you know, you should read that very same prayer on the radio.
And you know what? I think I'm going to do that. And then, because tonight's program is about prayer. We're gonna switch up. Normally I go into the Bible study But because you're here and you're all about prayer, we're just going to go straight to you tonight.
And so Here it is. On this Memorial Day, As we look back on memories of the past, as we honor those that have gone on before us, Let us never, and I mean never, ever, forget The sacrifices that they were willing to make. Let us forever remember How dear a A price so many paid for the freedoms that we hold so dear to day. Let us be ever more committed. to never doing any, and I mean any less, for those that come after us.
As did those that went before us. We are so blessed, so very blessed, To be Americans. As Scripture clearly states, to whom much is given, much is required. To those of us that Has answered heaven's call. We have one more deployment.
It's Heaven's final duty station. Are orders if found in the book of Revelation? CHAPTER nineteen In the Book of Zachariah, chapter fourteen. We, along with the saints who have gone before us, will have our part in the greatest battle that has ever taken place. And we will have eternal victory.
And Jesus. Amen. And that was my prayer. And so with that Doug, I'm gonna t Tell us all about Prayers at the heart. But look, before we get into that, let me just ask you.
I'm going to r run this by you. Here's what I've seen and Tell me what you've seen if you're seeing the same things. I'm seeing two things happen simultaneously in this country today. For the first time seeing I've been monitored to this Yeah. We've been on the radio for a half a century, actually fifty one years.
And in that fifty one years, boy, we have seen a lot. And one of the things we've seen are Well, every year in this country Um over six thousand Protestant church is close. I don't know how many Catholics close. Church closed. Church attendance has fallen way, way down.
We don't. At the same time, I'm seeing a revival amongst the young people. I'm seeing Here, instead of them taking the knee at sports events, they're they're praying. Uh here I see our Ohio Buckeyes. Uh After the game and before the game, they actually have Bible studies out there now at Ohio State.
This is amazing. And so we're seeing two diverse things happening at the same time. That's what I've been seeing.
So It's kind of an interesting um Interesting topic, isn't it?
So, with that. I'm going to turn you loose and just tell us all about Prayers at the Heart.
Well, prayer at the heart was uh What was started out of a Really, the heart of an intercessor that I've never met. I was on a prayer call. Goodness gracious. It's been thirty five years ago. I was living in Florida then and this intercessor deeply concerned about America since he saw a black X across the America of the nation.
from Seattle to Miami and San Diego to Maine. And I listened. I didn't know who she was. There were about a dozen people on the call. And then she said to God, Does that mean you're finished with the nation?
And she said that the Lord said to her, No. And then she asked, Well, Lord, why the black X across America? And whenever you see a diagonal like that, it's always. Occultic order, it's north, south, east, and west, but the diagonal always has an occultic ring to it. And she said that that the Lord said to her, well, that's gunpowder.
Well, I'm I I thought well it's a little cheesy. Um And I almost turned up the phone and I just had this cough that don't do that. And she said that uh a spark hit the middle of the of the X and it exploded like the Bonanza map. All of us have seen the old television western. I couldn't carry couldn't get that out of my heart.
I I ju I I could not I couldn't get that out of my heart. And somehow I felt like somebody needed to go to the center of the nation, wherever that was, that they could find it. And uh pray and uh And come there from the four corners. And I mentioned that to in a meeting about five years ago. And two people came to me and said that has to be done.
And five months later, In July, we were in the middle of a cow pasture There's a stop there. And And the s and the uh uh stakes that mark off your s acre or anybody's lot. is taken from that that place. It literally, the whole nation is ordered from that one place in America. And we went there, got permission, put up a tent, about 3,000 people showed up representing all 50 states.
And uh We had we had six teams. I'm sorry, eight teams come north, south, east and west, stop along the way, pour out oil and wine, symbolic action. One team circled the nation, seventeen came from South Korea. And our goal then was to go to every state We've done this in about 20 states. Texas was the most successful.
They had about 5,000 for their event. And then the Koreans began to come. I'll stop just a minute, Ernie. But we've got that. We got eighty-five teams that have come from Korea.
They prayed again from the four corners of the nation all over. They don't speak English. They didn't come here to to to preach. They came here to pray. I traveled from South Korea and often said to a pastor who was a host, could you just take us to the church and let us spend the night?
We'll pray around the altar all night. They said to me, They said to me, this pastor of a 10,000-member Presbyterian church. If you don't see revival in America, nobody stops North Korea, nobody stops China. Nobody stopped for Russia. You have to see a revival.
You have to see a spiritual awakening. And then I was there in South Korea praying, and I felt like the Lord spoke to me and said. I want you to mobilize a million people to pray. I want to see a million people saved. And that's how we got to this current day That ended just two days ago, the 50 days of prayer from Passover to Pentecost.
And now we've laid another forty day challenge on the table, and we're asking people all over the nation to do a sunrise service. Not on Easter, but on July, July the 4th. And there's a resource there. And pray for a spiritual awakening. Pray for the sun, SON, to rise over America.
Pray for a spiritual awakening to come to this next. It is the only hope we have. We have no other hope. Washington cannot save us. The only hope we have is a spiritual awakening.
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Well you know, where one of the The thing that this radio program promotes more than anything else is prayer. We've been God answers prayer. And I'm going to tell you everybody out there listening to us tonight either needs prayer themselves. uh or they know someone that should, or that does. And so You know, with again, the emphasis is much prayer, much power.
Little prayer, little power. No prayer, no power, right? That was one of the old sayings that we used to say some years ago. And so Tell us then about because you you have um A number of uh things that um you're talking about today And I'll just go into some of the questions that you have. And that is um Here On these uh These Gen Zers A lot of people when you say a jinzir say what it what what is a jinn zir?
Uh, how do they come up with, first of all, who is it that decides Uh what how how these people are dressed and Who is it that decides? what age groups go into. I know that they take polls. Is it Barna or others that take these polls that decide It's people smarter than me. And for some reason, they mark these brackets of time and.
And the cluster of things that happen in the lifetime, the young lifetime of these people, and say, These sociological events are going to impact this generation, and this is how they behave. It really is a kind of group dynamic that in our hyper-individualistic culture we don't realize. There are more Gen Z, the largest generation that we've had. It was larger than the Boomers. It's about 72 million.
It's equal about equal to the amount of babies we've aborted. And it's an interesting phrase in Where God says, no, those are my children. That's mine. Those are mine. And it says, I really believed.
I was praying. I don't know if you know this, maybe your people listening. that the courtroom where Roe v. Wade was decided is now a prayer room. It actually was turned into an office building.
After it became a courtroom and nobody wanted to put their office there, then it became an apartment building and no one wanted to sleep there. And so the Christians began to rent it, and it has become a prayer room. The dias where the three judges sat is still there. The wallpaper is still the same. The chandeliers are still the same.
They've taken out the other courtroom. furniture and I was praying there about a year and a half ago. And I felt like the Holy Spirit spoke to me and kind of rebuked me. And he said, You think a million people would be a lot to be saved? And of course, it would be, it would be twice as many.
as we are seeing saved in any given year now. But but the Lord spoke to me and said, why don't you pray for a soul to be saved equivalent to the number of children that have been aborted since the ruling of this in this courtroom? That would be 20% of the American population. That would absolutely not only change this nation, It would change the world. For the first time, we're seeing these, we're seeing a 15% uptick.
In Gen Z attendance at church. They're coming back. Boomers are not. But they're coming back to church. They're hungry.
It may be that this is not a post-Christian generation like we've talked about. But a pre-Christian generation, because they've never heard. They've never heard a reasonable case for the gospel, a reasonable case for creationism. They've never never heard a reasonable case for God. They've been saying all kinds of lies about Christianity.
about the Puritans, about the Pilgrims. And so when God gets a fair hearing with this group. It may well be. That the God-size vacuum in their heart. They find it's only met by a relationship with Jesus Christ.
That's what all of us pray for.
Well, let me uh let me say this because one of the reasons the boomers aren't coming back to church is they're dying off. I've I've buried over fifty of them. In fact, I buried over sixty of them altogether. Um, boomers m myself. over the years here and um But what I I'm seeing uh I'm not seeing these these Gen Zers coming to churches, to our church or to other churches in the area.
You know, we are very, very, we hold strictly to the Word of God. We're very fundamentalists. We're not a 501c3. We're an independent, unregistered. Uh and I mean we are is is fundamental as you can get uh in a church And yet I don't see a lot of these a lot of these young people attending.
Now I I do see a lot of enthusiasm and I see a lot of uh Excitement out there. They're going, they're having rallies and they're having. Prayer meetings, not just in America. I see here what in Iran. I saw that they had over a thousand people saved in one day there.
In England. In England they just had the the largest protest they've ever had in the nation of E England, the one and the We're seeing some people again We're seeing a young people have a lot of enthusiasm for Christianity, but I don't see him returning to the churches. On thirteen college campuses in America, just thirteen. We've seen one hundred twenty thousand conversions. That that is really that is really extraordinary.
But here's the problem. And it is a challenge for us. that our version of church, our facility based, program driven, the way we do church. is a challenge to them. And the bridge, I think, to get them back into a traditional church is a long bridge.
And where they're ending up is they're ending up in small groups and house groups in coffee houses and Bible studies. This is the generation, in my generation, and I think you and I are probably in the same generation. You preached the gospel, you made an appeal, they committed themselves to Christ, they got baptized, and then you hopefully discipled them. Not with this generation. You discipled him to conversion.
And then you disciple them. from conversion. Because the distance between where my generation was and where this generation was. It's so and they have so many questions. They have so many objections to the faith.
And they've just they've been fed these objections. And so it takes a lot of time and a lot of patience to begin to bridge them back to a place where they become comfortable with not only believing, but belonging.
Alrighty, I can see that not uh Here uh one of the things that uh That you were stating there is that with these Gen Z that they seem to be uh No, oh. How? How is that possible when everybody out there has at least one smartphone, smart alleg I call them my smart alley phone here, at least one, if not two. How and they're on there continuously, you you're watching them How could they be lonely? I think I know the answer, but go ahead and tell me what you think.
Well Yeah, forty-three percent when they were born, the father was already gone. Go on, that'll be line. they've been batted back and forth between different homes. A constant insecurity. If you're in a minority community, that number when the father's absent may be as high as 70.
The phone is actually a problem because it insulates them. It allows them to defriend somebody. They're playing games with somebody on the other side of the world they don't don't even know. And that distant, that artificial relationship they have makes them feel very, very safe. You can't hurt me.
'Cause I can befriend you. I I can I can just click and you're and you're gone. But be authentic. a relationship with somebody with skin on. You know, and and then and then they end up, of course, substituting sex.
And and faking intimacy when it really isn't intimacy at all.
So this is of This is a generation for which you stand back and say, your heart your heart is breaking for them. And in part, they do this to themselves, but in another part, This is what we did.
Somebody said this is a first generation. that will end up worth all. Than their parents. In America, every generation has stood on the shoulders of the generation before, not this generation. That they they they can't buy a house?
They can't afford this. They move back with their parents. They can't decide about relationships. They move in with somebody. That doesn't work out.
They move out. They've been told that you know the story, Pastor, as well as I do. Uh this is um Your heart breaks, breaks for them. And here's here's what In my generation, you believed And then we hopefully you behave the gospel, and then you belong. In their generation, they need to belong.
And in the belonging, they come to believe, and in the believing, they come to behave. and begin to take on the attributes of Christ. It's very different. In my generation, you began, you started the gospel with truth. In their generation, you have to start with love.
And you have to build a bridge strong enough out of love. to carry the heavy building blocks of biblical truth across Because at the first they don't want to hear the and only the trust that they have for you. Uh where where you've listened to their story. and not said anything, and then you've told them your story. And then you give them then you ask for permission, you can tell you another story.
It's his story. And that that bridge of love. Allows us to communicate the truth and begin to win them to Christ. And of course, they're winning one another, it's your influence. One of the things you said about um not having a father in the home.
For 45 years, I had a death roll ministry. In fact, I was senior pastor. There was. s eight of us all together. I had seven associate pastors and For 45 years we go up to death row.
and minister and to hundreds and hundreds of inmates and Ah in that time The one thing they all had in common was of no father in the house. no father in the house in them The other thing they had in common is when they did their crimes they were either on alcohol or drugs or both. There's only one case I can remember. out there were where there was no alcohol, involved in the situation w wasn't where He didn't have a father in the house. It was just that was the only one.
All the rest were different. And um And that was a case of uh pure uh passion. A young fella who was working He had just uh Gotten a raise. He had gotten a raise, got a promotion. and the boss told him to take off early and go home.
and and celebrate with his wife and he stopped by the store, he got some uh some flowers and stuff. and walked in on his wife and caught her in bed with another man. Oh wow. And uh what happened?
Well, and she had been drinking.
So, I guess there was alcohol involved if you come to think of it, but she had been drinking. But, um What happened was He shot them both. And he wouldn't he He wouldn't have gotten away he would have got a just manslaughter had he not turned around, came back and shot em both again. And that was that's what uh Would matter. But did that happen?
It was a And you can you can see in a case like that it would just uh Case of rage with the We never know what's what's going to happen, do we? No, James Thompson used to tell a story about a chaplain who uh With Mother Say approaching, he had a prisoner ask him, Could you get me a card? I'd like to send a card to my mother. And he thought, wow. And he called a card company and he said, would you be willing to donate some cards, Christmas cards, to the prison?
And he passed them out and they just gobbled them up. and wrote cards to their mothers, and he got somehow the postage and sent the cards out. And so he decided to do the same thing for the fathers. I think the gentleman said one prisoner requested a Father's Day card. There was an endearment to the mother, but but not to the father.
And I think Dobson said that person, that man was finally acquitted. I think there is a father hunger. Created by 30 years of railing against the father and against maleness in America. Just displacing men, you are not needed with a radical kind of feminism that has risen in the culture. And I think this may be the day for the Father.
This may be the day for men particularly. And I think it's the day in which we rediscover the Father God and the Father's heart. And there's just something powerful about that. I say to men all the time, You don't have the right to die until you've blessed your children. And do you told them?
That you love them and that God loves them. That is your duty. It is the reason God put you on the earth and gave your children. And I think this generation. is about to rediscover that there is a father There is a father who loves them and cares about them.
Well, you know, Doug, you know, they're they're really You know, when you hear about toxic masculinity, Is it really possible at all? For a man to be too masculine thinking that we'll be right back. Welcome to God's Word. God's word. Won't you come on in?
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All right, we are back. And we have Dr. Douglas Moll with us, and he is the founder of prayers. It's our. Doug, let me ask you this.
Well, when we left, the question was. Is it possible that it'd be too masculine? Uh didn't God make men meant to be masculine? I think we've gone through fifty years of feminizing of um our boys and uh And I don't think that's a good thing. I think Malachi had it right.
It's when the fathers' hearts are turned. And I think it's, there are people who want to make that. take away that being gender specific. But I think I think a revival of men in America could make a huge difference. And That may be one of the problems that we have with our current president.
He's just a little too, he's just a little too masculine for. for our culture. But I think Not for mine, it's not l let me ask you this. Uh because I what you just said, I remember very clearly you had mentioned Jim Dobson. And um I remember back in the sixties when that Enlightenment movement came over here.
At the same time, liberation theology. uh was was making its way here and But that enlightenment movement Where it was being taught by the neo-evangelical movement that. Men pastors had to get in touch with their feminine parts, with their feminine parts. And I thought, this is. This is one of the dumbest things.
What are you talking about? I don't have any feminine parts. Here uh I remember Dobson addressing that and And he was very concerned about that because some of these those same people those same neo evangelical pastors he was was working with in his program. at that time. But That's when that Enlightenment mov that's when that feminism moved into uh the pulpit and uh It was a disaster, was it not?
Well, I think we can see where that led. it led to the complete confusion of gender uh you know, to this uh Um genderless culture that we have. And then that led to The introduction of Of gay rights and so forth. And now that that has taken such a stronghold in the church. In in neo evangelicalism, that uh we we're we're throwing out the Bible and and and so forth.
I we we've So a revival, a true revival in America. has to involve Kind of a, I know this will be misunderstood by some people, but kind of a warrior spirit that rises up in men. that says this is not going to happen on my watch. This we're not going to lose the nation on my watch. We're not going to lose the family go down on my watch.
Since you said that, that's a very good point because I've noticed that the revival movement is being led by young men. And I've noticed something too. Of course, obviously. You know, when I went to college, there was. Probably 70% of the students were male, maybe 30% female.
It's turned all the way around. And places like Harvard and um These places today are indoctrination. They're literally Marxist indoctrination centers. They're not education centers. And I'm seeing these young women coming out of there.
Uh and they have been totally indoctrinated. I mean totally dummed out into this woke thing. Uh and here So we're seeing a a big difference there between who's leading of these these movements Uh And so And I and I've noticed too that uh The young men now have a a tendency to go going towards the trade schools And there's more money in the trades today. You were talking about you don't have. Did you know in New York City there a plumber actually had made more money than an M D?
And uh, yeah, it's because they were ri much rarer. And uh So today trades is very, very important, especially welders and well Not mechanics, they're technicians today.
So have you seen that too, that these revivals You're talking about on the college campuses, they're all being led up by young Charlie Kirk types? Yeah, and you know, Nick Hall, who is now the leader of Pulse and A young evangelist, and the blessing of the Bill of Graham organization. I think he's got four. hundred young evangelists that he's training. And they're going out in weekends And some of these young evangelists are they're bivocational, they'll work three weeks out of a month and then And then they'll team up together and take a tent or do something else, go near a college campus and preach for a week, and then they'll go back and work.
And and so they're not dependent upon a church. And this is a new breed. And they're not going to preach to the church. They're going to preach literally around university campuses and so forth. to call the people who have never heard the gospel and engage them with the uh with the with the gospel of jesus christ.
It's really an amazing thing. That's happening, and it's outside the perimeters of the organized church and organized denominations. It's just something that's just sprung up. And uh And I think we can't argue the culture back. to a conformity to where it was in the fifties.
But I know, and you probably do too, Pastor, People who have had a radical encounter with Jesus Christ that were as far left as you can get. And they began to read the Bible, and the Holy Spirit began to change and conform their life. And they came out of it. Out of this, a new creature in Christ. And that's why I think a spiritual awakening is the only thing that can save the nation.
We need a moral reset. that goes to the heart of every individual. We need a tithe of the nation, but we need to start with about a million, and they need to have an encounter with that. We can't have. We can't have uh an awakening like the Kentucky Revival or Azusa Street.
We've got to have something like the First Great Awakening, which was robustly theological. And we have to come back to a word-centered revival. And and uh and i if that were to happen to us. And people were dis to discover where they are and begin to mark their lives. By the perimeters of the Word of God.
The Holy Spirit transforming them, this nation. This this this nation would not be the same nation. You know, I we saw this, you know, some similar to what's happening now back in the early days of the pro-life movement. I um I was in it from the very beginning. In fact, I w I was with Dr.
Jack Wilkie right in the very beginning when Um We got started. And Here back in very early seventies. And Uh I went very, very active. I was with Joe Scheidler and some of the very active pro-lifers, and I let up a number of the Before we called of Operation Rescues, we uh They were rescues, but we We did it differently than the Didn't know but In that movement is is because so many of our people We're being arrested, we were being beaten by the police. Uh Jailed, much like the J Sixers.
Uh just uh You know I mean, just really tor mistreated. But in that, and I and I saw back in those days Here, even in the jail cells, when they would pack the jails with pro-lifers in there for save saving babies. And myself I I actually I got ar arrested for preaching at the the abortion mills And they threw me in jail, Doug, for preaching. And then they threw me out of jail for preaching because Uh they gave me a captive audience in there. And yeah, I gave them the word of God hot and heavy, and they begged me, please just leave, just leave.
They didn't didn't want any more of the Word of God. But anyhow, and and I saw something very similar t to this with the the movement with our people And now, of course, all of those folks back in those early days, and this ministry, you know, what we let up, we saved over 24,000 babies since 1973. from from a cruel and painful death. But, um and I've seen this it's like it's it's a different type. But but we're seeing The moving of the Holy Spirit there Here, you know, we live in this this brave new world of artificial intelligence and there appears to be a hunger among the Gen Zers for something real, authenticity, uh community face to face.
relationships, I mean Uh And Again, like you said. One of the problems they have is that they're living at home, many of them with their parents. They can't afford. They can't afford to buy a house today. The inflation is horrible.
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And. But that that will change, don't you think, if we If we call upon the name of the Lord, if there's real repentance, but there's got to be true repentance, there's got to be. Uh and that's something People just don't seem to understand what repentance really is. What do you think? I think that's true.
I can go back to something you said a moment ago. I think we see abortion as an isolated thing. But the truth is that when you devalue life and you take the most innocent of life. It's really paramount to uh t uh uh that to to what to what Israel was doing by sacrificing the babies upon the altar. The reason for the sacrifice Might vary from person to person, but this loss of life, this death of the innocent.
This is what irritated God. It's what moved him to wrath. But but here's the greater problem. When you have that kind of view of life. It permeate it poisons everything.
It it causes you to be insensitive. To everybody. If you can take the life of a child, you can take the life of somebody else. If you devalue that life, then you and it's your own blood and your own flesh, then you devalue every life. And so you have a culture where two, three years ago, we had twenty thousand murders Whereas 100 years ago, around 1900, you had just a handful of murders, just a few hundred murders.
You have you have a culture that has become hostile and angry. Ready to take the life of other people. And you say, well, that's not related to abortion. It actually is. Because it's the attitude that we have with regard to the sacredness of life and the sacredness of one another.
And again, this is why we need a spiritual awakening. And the church begins this awakening, as you said, with repentance, with true brokenness. With true remorse. And we take responsibility not just for our own sins, but for the sins of the culture. Because this happened on my watch, God.
And we just pray that God would help us be. Better salt and light than we have been. And break our silence. Only 2% to 8% of Americans are sharing their faith. And yet eighty percent of this Gen Z culture is open To a gospel presentation from the person that they trust and like and believe to be authentic.
Two to eight percent. We have to break our silence and talk about Jesus and share our faith. Right now you've got pastors Uh and those that I know that uh attend our church, so it's one of the Uh the things that I'm a stickler on in our church And that is for people, those gospel tracts don't belong on that table. We have a large tract table. They don't belong in that table.
They belong in the hands of the unsaved and Take 'em out there and uh uh you know, reach the people with the gospel, but But you're right. I have on my car I have two very large bumper stickers. They're about uh eight foot high and and about uh twenty mines long. And they're uh bright yellow and black. And it says if you died to day Would you go to heaven or hell?
Okay. in big bold letters and You'd be surprised everywhere I go. Uh I'm part people will point at it at that. and uh every now and then they'll come over now and Uh, just recently I had a a pastor and his wife and some friends. They come over And they saw that, and they said, that is 100%, that is, we're with you 100%.
I said, I have these. I made up a bunch of 'em. Would you like one? to put on your car. They're magnetic.
Uh I no. I couldn't believe it, you know. They tell me h how much they they like that b that That's um that buffer sticker, that message. But they didn't want to put it on the car. We have a dearth of courage in this in this country, Doug, a real dearth of courage.
And and it's right there in the pulpit. and I think maybe the Gen Z gen zers may may see that. What do you think? I think so. Pastor, in this Megan Soul campaign, we've been surprised To have pastor say to us I I don't want to do that.
I don't want to make my people uncomfortable by making them feel like they have to share their faith. I don't give altar calls because I've got a lot of people who. who are visitors into the church, and I just don't want to make them feel I don't want to make them feel uncomfortable. And I'm shocked because some of these are very conservative churches, some of these are Pentecostal churches. And uh and I'm thinking, wait a minute, what in the world has happened to us?
And we've become a wonderful Christian social club. with a nice comforting uh message. but we're not challenging people with reality of eternity. Yep, you're absolutely right. I mean, you couldn't.
Yeah.
Absolutely. You know, um I went some years ago years years ago uh to Notre Dame. Uh university over there and Indiana. Obama was coming in to campus, And believe this or not, I'm a a very, very, very, very fundamentalist Baptist preacher. We we hold literally to The Word of God.
And I got a call from Catholic. Bishops. there, and asked me if I would bring who listened to me on the radio, Would you bring some of your Baptist preachers to come down here? and preach to our apostate bishops here. Because they're bringing Barack Obama in to s to speak on the c the college campus.
So I I couldn't believe it. Yeah, we did. Uh so we went down, about a dozen of us. And um There were a bunch of Uh Uh Very conservative. Uh there was um It's cool.
the head of the Catholics who for life Uh I'm having one of my senior moments. I know him very well, too. Uh Uh then we had uh A number of the very well known people Uh From around the country well-known speakers and I'm I'm having my Some of my senior moments right now Former Ambassador to the UN He ran for President. Uh you know who I'm talking about. I know him very well, and he was their fact.
You had mentioned uh the that room Norma McCorby Norman McCorvey was was my b my knees were literally Uh in her in her back, okay. And so So anyhow, we went down And when Barack Obama Told him he wanted every cross, every cross on that campus had to be covered. He did not want to see a cross when he came on there. That's Notre Dame University. And they had covered up.
Yeah, they had covered up every single Cross uh on that campus there But it it was a an amazing thing. But we had uh hundreds and hundreds of people came out, but that man has sinned Barack Obama was there and you talk about being pro death. Th th this guy is he is Ultimately, pro-death, he's unbelievable. But But this is and and you know, when we were When we were young in the pro-life movement, going back Uh and ours started back in the seventies. Uh You know, it was you could feel there was a spirit um um the Holy Ghost was moving On the people, and we you know, we stood up for life.
I'm seeing something that's similar today. And uh I know the frustration because we had everything against us. We didn't have. We didn't have uh we have people like Jimmy Carter and that. Jimmy Carter.
I remember saying hearing Jimmy Carter say that abortion that the Bible does teach that abortion is a sin and that it is murder But His contit constituents Elected him to keep it legal and that's what he'll do.
Now here's a guy to profess to be a a born-again believer. Right, and I and I thought, And you call yourself a Christian?
Okay. Uh amazing. But uh tell the folks how they can get involved.
So um Go to prayer at the heart. One one word dot org. And just say, sign up there and say, I want to be one of a million. And asking God to help me reach one of a million, one of a million, reaching one of a million. There's all kind of resources there.
There's there's uh and the training is free. Evangelism is blessing. How to be an ambassador. Salty groups, start a prayer group at your work. Pray for your neighbors.
All kind of resources, they're all free. And there's this July the 4th. Sunrise prayer service we're encouraging everybody to do. Do it personally, do it as a family. Do it as a church, do it as a city.
Have a sunlight service. I know we're supposed to have sunrise services in Easter, but we're saying have one on July the 4th. What day is that? What day does July the fourth fall on? I think it's a I think it's it's a Saturday, if I'm not mistaken.
Uh you say is it Saturday? And people may want to move it around. They may want to do it on Sunday. They may want to do it on that. Weekend, there's a great guide online at prayer at the heart.
Download it. And uh and and get people up and pray on this 250th anniversary of this nation Don't let the sun go down on us. Give us a spiritual awakening. You know, the movie, the awakening movie that came out about Ben Franklin and Whitfield emphasized: is the sun going down or is the sun coming up on America? And we want to pray, God, let the sun rise, S-O-N, let the sun rise on America.
Give us another 20 years, another 40 years. to complete our obligation to the Great Commission to reach the last 3 billion people who have not heard the gospel yet because 80% of all the funding for world missions still comes out of America. We need a revival for the sake of the world. Absolutely, absolutely, we do. And um You know, according to February Barner Poller Seems to be a growing openness amongst these Christians.
among the gen seers and t the a view uh experience that personally with these young people? Yeah, I I I think I think there's a dubiousness. There's a caution. And they prefer to get messages from their own, they trust their own generation. But but but right now, it's not much.
But it's a tenth of one percent. who are attending church more than like it's Yeah. It's just a small number. But they're coming back to church. And here's a thing that bothers guys like us.
They're going back to liturgical churches. They're not going to warehouse churches. They're not going to mega churches. They're not going to the rock music. Smoke and mirrors churches.
They're looking for something ancient and something solid. And there's a search going on, and I hope that we don't disappoint them. I hope we get. I hope we get to them. And get the right message to them that connects them with a genuine experience with Christ.
Well, we're seeing that. You're absolutely right. When we talked about the this huge decrease in church attendance The prosperity churches have really fallen off. I see that Joe Olstey, with his 20,000-seat auditoriums, Only getting Maybe three or four thousand people in there now. Uh people are These mega, mega churches are losing people because they're you're right.
Rick Warren and his entertainment centers. Um you know, and is is Krizlam Uh, that's gone. I mean, they're So So they're saying that the young people are recognizing that this is not not really. The word of God. It's not i in accordance with the Bible.
This is not for real. And so they're starting to see that, huh?
Okay. Pardon? They don't want a show. They've been to the shows. You know, they don't want to show and uh And they're hungry for something deeper than that.
They want a relationship. That's. Cry of their heart. Can I have a relationship with God? You're telling me that I can have a relationship with God?
Yeah.
You can have a relationship with God. Doug, we're up against the clock. I want to thank you for being here. I'm going to stay in touch on this July 4th thing, okay? Let's uh let's see if we can yeah, I I I think that's a an excellent a great idea.
And um And so Anyhow, go ahead and and tell the folks give yourself a a spot. uh and tell the folks how how they can get involved and Oh, you got about a minute and thirty seconds.
So go to, go one more time, go to prayer at the heart.org. Go to the Resources tab, look at the videos that tell you all about it. Download that July the 4th of Um Resource. We have 40 states now that have an hour of prayer every week. Look on the prayer wall there and plug into your hour of prayer for your state.
There are 45 states where we have a state representative. And we're looking for more. We want more than one in every state. And we're looking for county representatives all across the nation. Because we want to see a million people saved, and we want to see two and four and six and eight.
Until we began to see a tipping point in the nation of people coming back. coming back to Jesus Christ. And so you could be involved. You could be one of a million. Prayer at the heart.
Dot org. All right, very good. I want to thank you for being here again. Like I said, we. We need, boy, do we need the Lord?
We need prayer. And we need to to pray for everything. I mean, that's one thing. That uh That we have at our advantage, we can pray for everything. We can pray for anything and everything.
And the Bible tells us that we are to pray without ceasing.
So Let's continue to do that and and keep in touch. God bless, my friend. And thanks for being here.
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