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Well, good evening and welcome to the program. And you may have already guessed this is not the voice of Pastor Ernie. Pastor Ernie is not going to be on tonight.
He's a little under the weather. This is Pastor Joe Larson, his highly unpaid professional assistant. And I'll be filling in tonight.
And helping me will be one of the good engineers there at the studio. The man that always has a smile on his voice. Style. Hey Joe, how are you tonight? I'm bored. Glad to have you with me. Sometimes when you're sitting here for two hours, it can be a very lonely place by yourself. I'll do my best to keep you company.
Alright, we'll count on that. For those of you who may not know me, I often refer to myself as that God-fearing, Bible-waving, flag-waving, gun-owning, Constitution-loving patriot. And I'm also a disabled American veteran. And that usually kind of tells people where I'm coming from. Especially when somebody says the first name is Pastor.
So anyway, now you've been forewarned. This week, the title of the message has been better understanding of why we do what we do as Christians. And when Pastor Ernie and I were talking, he was mentioning how often we get so many questions, especially newer Christians. Why do we do this? Why do we do that?
So he decided to take a look at different things. Tonight we're going to start on the topic of baptism. And so the question would be, why do we do baptism? And we're going to start in the book of Matthew in chapter 3. Hopefully a lot of our listeners are used to having their Bibles.
If you're a new listener, bring your Bible when you listen to the radio, because read along with us. I'm going to look at verses 13 through 17, and we'll take and read through and then kind of discuss it. Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.
Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straight way out of the water, and lo, the heavens were opened unto him. And he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him. And lo, a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. There is an awful lot right here in these two short verses.
One, I'm going to kind of start at the end. We have here probably the best example in Scripture style of the Trinity of God. We have the Holy Spirit coming down as a dove. We have Christ, the only begotten Son of God, the Messiah, being baptized. And we hear from the invisible, spiritual Father, speaking direct from heaven, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Christ was always, what?
Subservient, obedient to the Father in all things. And so this is one of the two examples in Scripture of all three of the three aspects of God being present. Now, I can imagine John, down at the river, he's at the river Jordan, he's baptizing people, and here comes Jesus. And Jesus wants to be baptized. John's going, wait a minute, this is God, this is the Son of God, this is the Messiah, Emmanuel, God with us. I mean, I'm this guy out in the wilderness baptizing people for him, and he's coming to me, I mean, who am I?
And I can just see the shock. And so Jesus says, suffer it to be so. Because what Jesus was showing us by example is obedience to God, he was showing us by example what the Father wants us to do. Now, did Jesus have any need to be baptized? Well, you see, the real baptism style is the spiritual baptism we get when we have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The water baptism is really what? An outward, invisible sign of our inward and spiritual blessing, or grace, of the indwelling of the Spirit. It's a testimony to the world. We are symbolizing dying, going underwater, symbolizing death and resurrection with Christ, because through him we live.
Through him we will have everlasting life. So it's a very symbolic thing. It's done in obedience, it's an act of obedience, and an act of witnessing to others what has happened to us. And so Jesus, in that sense, was saying, I am being baptized, but of course, he is the perfect example of what death and resurrection, and he does it symbolically in the water. And later in his ministry, he will do it for real, right?
Right, like you said, he's leading by example. We're called to live like Jesus, and Christ gives us this human embodiment of it to show us exactly how we're supposed to, right? Exactly, but you catch the subtlety, he is showing what will actually happen to him. Everything in Scripture points to Jesus, it's about him, about his story, it's about his words, his works, something.
His prophecy, his laws, statutes, judgments, everything in Scripture. And yet here he is fulfilling what he will actually go through, right? Symbolically, he is showing the world about his death and resurrection.
And I think a lot of people don't catch that. He's there, imagine, you came and you know what? You came to this world to what? Go to the cross, take upon your sinless, spotless soul, every sin, past, present, and future of the world, and go to the cross and die for a once and only perfect sacrifice. And as he is baptized, he has to think about what he is going to be living through in a very short period of time, right?
About three years. That's got to be a heavy thing on the brain. I think most of us cannot comprehend living with knowing all that time, what his end result is going to be, what he has to go through physically for us.
To me, that shows the total, total depth of love that God has for us. He had to live all those years waiting this fate. If you knew you had to suffer something that was horrible, tremendous, painful, the longer you had to wait for it, would that be easier or harder? I feel like it would only get harder with time, right? Exactly.
Only harder with time. Now we're going to slip over and let's look at Acts chapter 8. Acts chapter 8, and we're going to look at verses 36 through 40. Now, we're seeing here the angel of the Lord came to Philip and told him to go towards the south to the way that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza down into the desert. There he meets this Ethiopian eunuch, a man of great authority under Candace, the queen of the Ethiopians. He was in charge of all her treasure and had come to Jerusalem for worship.
Now, we're going to kick in here to 36. Philip was preaching, and as they went on their way, they came into a certain water. The eunuch said, see, here is water. What doth hinder me to be baptized? Because he's been listening to Philip preach and teach, and of course, if you become a believer, you need to be baptized. And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded that the chariot to stand still. And they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he, Philip, baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more. And he went on his way, rejoicing. But Philip was found at Azadus, and passing through, he preached in all the cities till he came to Caesarea.
Now that must have been something to behold. You're writing with the Apostle Philip. He's preaching to you.
You have his full and divided attention. He's reading scripture. And here this eunuch is touched by the Holy Spirit, desires to be baptized, wants to become a born-again believer, wants to become a believer. And so, you know, they see this water, and they stop right then and there. He gets baptized, and as Philip brings him up out of the water, Philip disappears.
Kind of like watching a Star Trek, you know, where they teleport people. All of a sudden he's gone. And the eunuch realizes at that point the power of God that he can take this Apostle and send him somewhere else.
That had to be just imprinted on this man's mind. And that's when it said he went on his way rejoicing. Not only was he baptized, not only was he now a Christian, but he had seen a miracle of God. He had seen the power of God personally, firsthand, and went away rejoicing. And I imagine he started to witness to a lot of people. I know, I would be telling that story, what about you, Stile?
If you were baptized and the pastor baptized you, you came up out of the water in a river somewhere. You'd have me sounding like a broken record. Would you be in shock or what? Oh, absolutely.
How could you not be? Exactly. This is one of those things that so many times when people read through scripture and they don't stop and think through, how would I feel if that were me?
What effect would that have on me? It would make me want to go out and testify and witness. That's why the Lord used miracles to get kicked off this faith, to show the power of God. Because people had to have something to see, to grab a hold of, to understand. And later, after enough stories of witnesses and testimony of the miracles that Jesus did, and later on he gave power of the Holy Spirit through his apostles to do these miracles. Now, we have their story, we see and hear. We haven't seen these things, but we can read their testimony. And through their testimony helps us today to believe, because we see the changes that affected on these people.
What happened in their lives, the apostles, how they were all willing to die, how they would not stop the mission, the great commission of going out and preaching Christ crucified to the world. So, let's go over and look. We've got time to go to Acts chapter 6, and we're going to look at verses 1 through 4. Acts 6. I'm sorry, Romans 6.
I'm sitting here looking at it. Romans chapter 6. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
God forbid! How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein? Know ye not that so many of us were baptized unto Jesus Christ, were baptized unto his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death, and like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life?
There it is. We have freedom from sin's power. We have the spiritual baptism. We are given the Holy Spirit, but the apostles here are saying, making it very clear, how shall we that are dead to sin live any longer? Know not that we were baptized unto Christ.
We were baptized unto his death. Jesus said, I am in the Father, the Father in me, and now I am in you. I am in you through the power of the Holy Spirit. We become a personal relationship. You see, I tell people I don't have a religion.
A religion is something that can be worshipped, but it can be anything. I have a personal relationship with God. I have a one-on-one personal relationship with Jesus Christ through the indwelling of his Holy Spirit.
I have been changed. I am now a true child of God. He created me physically. He gave me a rebirth spiritually into a new creature, a new creation of his.
That spiritual baptism is my down payment on eternal life. The completion will happen when the rapture comes, when the dead in Christ rise first, or if I am still alive when the rapture hits. Those of us that are alive will follow the dead and meet the Lord in the air, and we will be given our glorified, eternal bodies.
I like the way Scripture puts it. We don't know what form our Lord will take, but we do know one thing. He told us, we shall be like him. We shall be like him.
Just a lot of wondering there. God doesn't answer everything. He doesn't answer every question, does he?
Do you notice that? He leaves certain things to your imagination. He tells you everything you need to know for salvation. Like this case, when we're raptured up, we're given a new glorified body. Scripture nowhere says what that body is like, other than it's eternal.
We won't have pain, tears, so it's a pain-free body, and it will last forever. That we know, but what we look like, he never mentions. So they said, well, Pastor Joe, way back in the beginning, it said we were made in the image of God. The image of something is not the same as being made as that something, right? Do you agree?
Absolutely. You can make an image, an artist can make an image of a tree, an image of something, an art. That image is not an exact replica or copy.
It is only an image, like a mirror image or reflection. So we never have been told completely, but we do know that this will be a sin-free body, this new body will be given, and we have this baptism, and we are told to what? A great commission, go into all the world and baptize in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son, in the name of the Holy Spirit, right? Right. That is what we are given to do, and was that just for pastors?
No. Pastors do the baptism, but through your witness and testimony, you help lead others to Christ. The Holy Spirit convicts them that they need to be born again, they need to have their spiritual baptism, their physical baptism, to do their witness and testimony. And so it's a process that all of us have a part in, and like scripture says, some sow seed, some water, some reap the harvest, we all have different jobs, but in the end, are we doing it for our own glorification? No, because everything we have, every ability we have, every gift that we have is a gift from God, and when we use it, we should use that gift to glorify Him. So we're part of a family, and the family all has the same mission, the great commission to glorify God, to serve Him, and as His children, to be examples to the world of our Heavenly Father. So through our actions, the way we live our life, the way we treat others, the way we conduct ourselves, we are to be out there as examples to the world, and we should be an example that people see the joy in us, the peace in us, the goodness in us, and the works that we're doing for the Lord, and they will want to know who we are, why we're doing these things, and they want to know more about the God that we serve. And I think too often, that isn't really brought up. Everyone has a part because, as part of the family, what's a family?
It's a unit that works, prays, and lives together, right? Right. And I think we're just about, are we right about the bottom of the hour? We've got about two minutes. Got about two minutes, okay.
Any questions on your part? Well, I was just going to go back. I think it's something really important that's often overlooked that you said is, you know, not so much identifying as a certain denomination or a certain religion, it's identifying as a child of Christ and as a Christian itself, because it's something that I always come back to, and I think as a society as a whole, it's unfortunately largely overlooked, is that, you know, it's not about arguing about what denomination is right. It's not about, it's not what denomination will save you or what church will save you. Christ is the only one that can save you.
Amen. Well, you notice, there's only one church. It's Christ's church.
And I want to repeat something we've done many times on the radio, the real definition of the church. The Bible calls us living stones, lively stones. That means a living stone. And we living stones are built upon the cornerstone, a stone the builders refused. Christ is that cornerstone. So the living stones are built upon the cornerstone, who is a living risen Lord. And we build through our bodies, a living church, and that church worships and serves a living risen Lord. There are no denominations. It's that is his church.
That is the definition. And unfortunately, man has put his two cents in and tried to, oh, I'm this or I'm that or I'm whatever, you know, and nowhere in Scripture is there a denomination of any kind. It is all one faith, one God, one church, a living church.
And too many people have gotten this idea they go to church. No, they go to a building. Scripture says when two or three are gathered together in my name, I will grant their request.
I will be with them. Because as the lively stones come together, we build the church. It's a living thing. It's not a building. You can worship in a barn. You can worship in a hayfield. You can worship in a city park. You can worship in a house.
Because the church is the living body that's gathered together to praise God. So I think we have a short clip after the break. Yep. Take it away. This is the most important First Amendment suit in this nation's history. We've uncovered a relationship of coercion and collusion between the Biden White House across a spectrum of federal bureaucratic agencies targeting free speech for censorship at the government's demand on big tech social media platforms. We've got to build a wall of separation between tech and state to protect our First Amendment right to free speech. And to that end, we went to court back in May and asked the United States District Court for a nationwide injunction to lay that first brick in the wall between tech and state. The court granted the injunction on the Fourth of July in celebration of this nation's founding, and we successfully defended that injunction twice at the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. So the score is Missouri 3, Biden 0 in the fight for free speech. We're going to the Super Bowl. We'll be at the United States Supreme Court next month, and we're excited to continue to fight to protect Americans' right to free speech on big tech platforms. Aha!
That was the Missouri Attorney General speaking, fighting for your right to free information, to the truth, and not government intervention. Oh, that's one thing. We didn't have time to pick a song or anything, did we? We did not. We got one coming up at the next bottom of the hour, though, so that's okay. So we can just go through this. Folks, it was kind of the last minute.
We were told that I was handling the show and that Style was going to help me, so we didn't have time to do all the planning we should have. Two things I want to bring up along after hearing that little clip. There are two or three things that are going on that have been going on and often fly below the radar, or it's so common people just take it for granted, don't think about it. But the truth is a very, very precious thing.
The left does not mind lying, cheating, stealing. The model is the end justifies the means. So in other words, it doesn't matter what we do as long as we get the result we desire.
This is really the Communist model. The end justifies the means. If we have to lie to accomplish, if we have to deceive you, that's okay, because the only real thing that's important is not how you get there, it's winning.
Winning is everything, accumulating, acquiring the power. So I am looking at an article from Fox News, Andrew Mark Miller, talking about GARM. I don't know how many of you have heard of it, GARM, but it's called the Global Alliance for Responsible Media. Now, this is what I call Bravo Sierra.
Here in Missouri, we call it commoner. Responsible media is the exact opposite of what they're really for. They claim that they were formed, they started as part of the World Federation of Advertisers, were established back in 2019 to help the industry address the challenge of, quote, illegal or harmful content on digital media platforms and its monetization via advertising. Now, this group claims to be apolitical, claims to be voluntary, you know, they make all these claims, but they're out to protect, to avoid placement of ads next to something that could be harmful content, something that could damage their brand.
Remember Bud Light? We saw something that damaged the brand, but that wasn't the kind of thing they're trying to protect from. That's the kind of thing they're trying to promote. So you can see it's been, in some cases, very counterproductive. Now, GARM's leader and co-founder, Rob Rakosowitz, has expressed his frustration with the interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. And he's been complaining that, you know, these principles for governments, and people are applying them as literal law from, hey, this was done 230 years ago by a bunch of white men.
It can't be good, right? Why, these principles are accepted all over the globe, you know, these principles how to run a government. And 230 years ago, what did these old white men know, you know? And he called it uncommon collaboration. And we have to rise above this.
Okay. What he's trying to say is the Constitution is garbage, it's outdated, it's irrelevant, doesn't work for today, and we need to join the progressive world. Now, so what we have is GARM has basically been working with corporations to implement advertising crackdowns on everything from Elon Musk, you know, powerful, wealthy, Joe Rogan, Spotify. They've attacked political candidates, they've gone after Fox News, the Daily Wire, Breitbart News, WorldNetDaily, they've gone after smaller fish and destroyed them. And they have using their immense market power to demonize voices and viewpoints that they disagree with. And even when there's a situation that they don't have a brand safety concern, you know, this is what their cover was, well, we're trying to protect our brands and keep things safe.
But you can tell what they're going after. So the House Oversight Committee has been going after them and pointing out that they, you know, have been using boycott rackets and everything else. So we have just one more example. And how many stories Pastor and I have done, talked about different organizations, disinformation, misinformation, line by omission in the media.
And to add to that one more big story. Jonathan Turley is a highly regarded new constitutional scholar, attorney and professor. He's not a conservative. He is well in his own words, he's a little bit of all three. He's some liberal, some conservative, some libertarian. And he wrote an article called The Most Chilling Words I've Heard Today. I'm from NewsGuard, and I'm here to rate you. Yeah, he wrote a column criticizing NewsGuard, a rating operation that's being quote, used to warn users, advertisers, educators, fundraisers, funders away from media outlets based on how it, this organization views those outlets, and their credibility and transparency.
So anyway, the gist of the idea is, he has his own blog at JonathanTurley.org. He calls it RES-I-ESPA. That's a Latin for, I'm trying to remember if I can remember what it stands for.
Give me a sec. I'll come up with it. But anyway, they came to rate him. The thing itself speaks, which means, it kind of speaks for itself.
RES-I-ESPA-LO-QUAT-URE. And the thing itself speaks. In other words, his words speak for themselves.
They don't need to have somebody explain them. So they've come after him, and they do a lot of whitelisting, blacklisting, and so they said, we're going to rate you. And conservatives have accused this company of targeting conservative sites, libertarian sites, and carrying out the agenda of co-founder Stephen Brill. And these people are, they say they're there to identify disinformation sites, right? So Brill and his co-founders there, these news guard rates, highly subjective judgments, credibility, whether something is significantly false, misleading information, and they label things, and it goes on and on.
That's the double-edged sword, right? Because on paper, it's a good idea. On paper, it sounds appealing to have some kind of authority overseeing media sites, social media, news sites, websites, to keep overtly false or damaging content offline.
It sounds like a great idea. And there's companies that have been doing that and organizations that have been doing that internally for decades now. You know, we have privacy policies, we have companies that have workers that don't get the appreciation they deserve that their job is to keep illegal activity offline, to keep materials that shouldn't be seen online, to keep age-restricted content offline. Right.
We have that in place. The appropriate material, right. These people use this color of the law, again, the end justifies the means. And if you look at their, they have a list of the 10 most dangerous sites, and you'd never guess that they were all conservative sites, right? Every one of them, but like here's Huffington Post, a very far left media, was listed as one of the 10 sites that had the lowest risk of spreading disinformation. That was about one of the worst to spread disinformation. So anyway, they came and they started talking to him and they started trying to go after him. They said, well, you know, you better listen to us because if we put out information, it'll hurt your advertisers. And the good professor here, Jonathan Turley, goes, well, I really don't care. I don't pay to have advertising on my website.
My financial support, closest support would be my wife. We live in a community property state, and so if you want to blacklist me, trust me, my wife already knows what I do with the money. So they didn't like that. They got upset with him over that.
And they didn't like the name of his site. And they criticized, well, you have made it clear who you are, what side you're on. And he said, well, you know, I don't label myself conservative, libertarian or liberal because, well, I make decisions based on all these different things.
Part of me is in all these different groups. So he said, I've been criticized as being a liberal. I've been criticized for being too conservative. I've been criticized for being a libertarian. Depends on the op-ed that I write. And he said, you know, I admit I have libertarian views.
I hold traditional views. And he said, when it comes to the law, he sticks to the Constitution. So anyway, he is warning us about this news guard. And, you know, again, it's one of those things that if they don't like what you're saying, they blacklist you. If they if you don't agree with their liberal point of view, then you're spreading misinformation, disinformation.
You need to have a warning put on your site. So here we just have examples. The world out there is just getting to where it's extremely difficult to know the truth. At the end of the day, this these these measures that they're trying to implement, they aren't about safety.
They're about censorship because it's not about keeping people safe online. It's about one opinion on you see, hear and think is really what it boils down to. Right.
Oh, absolutely. Control what you hear and see. They control what you think. Well, that's why the liberal colleges are so they take the young minds. People are supposed to go there to learn to listen to their professors.
Right. And they're brainwashed. And they come out with these far left ideology and viewpoints because they haven't been exposed. They haven't had to debate.
They haven't had to research and find answers. They've been fed and fed and fed. And it's like George Orwell's 1984, the you know.
Everything is kind of upside down in their world, isn't it? Right. And again, this isn't a media issue, it's a freedom of speech issue more than anything else, because it is dealing with censorship of opinions. It's dealing with censorship of because someone's beliefs are different than yours.
They're not valid and they're false. And we're going to label it as such. Exactly.
And that's where you have control. This is where every government tries to control through controlling the media, through controlling very carefully worded statements, how they word things. We have this legal speak, legalese. And America used to be a land where it was the plain truth. People spoke plainly, said what they meant, meant what they said. They were very clear. But now everything has become, well, up to interpretation. Right.
Would you call it that? Yeah, no. And I mean, if you even want to take this another level deeper real quick, we can always go back to the argument of making new laws does not stop criminals. Criminals are not going to obey the law regardless. So even if this is a safety thing, if someone is doing actual crime online, this isn't going to stop them. The fact that you and I turn on a computer every day of the week or anyone out there who has ever turned on their computer, you know, everything that we see, every website we go to, every article we look at, even if we don't click them, we're looking at three percent of the Internet. And I'm talking from your home page to page two million of Google. That's three percent of the entire Internet.
The other 97 percent is deep and dark Web content that most Americans and most people around the world don't have access to, regardless, because of the illegal activity that goes on or have no desire to go there because of the illegal activity that goes on. Implementing these things to law abiding citizens, to patriots, to people that want to have a platform to speak freely and give their opinions and state their mind and pose their viewpoints. Censoring them only hurts all of us, only hurts the law abiding citizens. Yeah, that's funny because that kind of how many things have happened that only hurt the law abiding citizen.
Right. They make gun control laws. Doesn't affect the criminals. It only affects the law abiding citizen.
You can put restrictions on voting, having to have voter ID. The law only affects those that obey the law. Right.
Adding more laws doesn't change anything. Those people that obey the law continue to try to obey the law as best they can. And those that lie, steal and cheat continue to what?
Lie, steal and cheat. Right. Right. I mean, and that's why, you know, if you ask me, if you look at two candidates, regardless of what side either one's on and one saying, well, I'm going to fix the country by implementing X, Y and Z as laws and you look at candidate number two and they say, well, here's how I'm going to use the laws we have in place to further our economy, further our country.
I'm always going to go with candidate number two because you're giving the actual solutions to problems we have, not just more workarounds people can find. Exactly. Trump had a couple of policies that for everything they had to get rid of a couple. If they pass something, they had to take something and get rid of something else. And I like that because there's so many things that are, we've got the laws. I can't remember how many laws. Anyway, it's one of those things that teams of lawyers don't know what's all in the federal registry. They say that every day you probably break a law somewhere in the federal law books. It's so complicated and so vast that you're probably guilty of something. And if they really want to, they could probably find something on every one of us where we broke a law. It's that vast. Now, what good is something when even a team of lawyers don't know what's in it, have to research it, use computers up and down?
Sounds a little like overkill, right? Well, and to go back to your initial point here, you know, it's a system of checks and balances, and we used to have that. So, you know, basing an argument off of, oh, well, the Constitution's wrong and the forefathers didn't know what they were doing because it doesn't apply to modern day. We need to be looking more at what the forefathers were doing because we used to have a system of checks and balances for exactly these things.
Yeah. And where did they find that? They got that out of Scripture, right? Like where they found how to create the government was out of Scripture, was out of the Old Testament, the New Testament. Like Isaiah 33, 22, got his king, got his judge, got his lawgiver.
They got the executive, legislative, judicial branch of government. We've done a lot of shows on that different thing. I've got one more story I want to get ties into this. Daily Caller News, John Jason Hopkins, major swing county slap of lawsuit accused of not removing non-citizens from voter rolls. America First Legal, that's Stephen Miller, right?
Steve Miller. Everyone's got to remember his name. America First Legal is his group. They're suing Maricopa County in Arizona because the officials are disregarding state law, requiring them to purge voter rolls of non-citizens. And so they're bringing this legal suit. And this is the kind of thing we need to do to fight back all over the country. He said, we're taking decisive action suing because they have permitted these illegal aliens, foreign citizens, to interfere in the 2024 election because they're on the rolls.
And the suit is going on. And of course, a lot of officials said, well, we did that. We did our own cleansing.
We looked. But they found there were more than 35,000 registered voters in Arizona who failed to provide proof of their citizenship, then made them ineligible to vote in state and local elections, according to an earlier July press release. And announcing the AFL's demand letters to the county recorders. Now, the 2020 Arizona presidential election was decided by a margin of just under 11,000 votes.
So think about that, folks. 11,000 votes was the margin that gave Joe Biden the election. Yet they found over 35,000 people registered to vote who didn't qualify, who failed to. There was no proof of the citizenship. They have a group that's supposed to, on the voter registration, verify all this. County recorders are required by Arizona law to perform monthly voter roll maintenance, confirm citizenship of federal only registered voters.
And the lawsuit says, well, they're not doing what they're supposed to. I can't tell you how many stories past Ernie and I have done, different state after state after state, when they started looking at the different things that Trump claimed happened. Just about every state has come up with, they've had faulty voter rolls, they had people that were voting two or three times because they had registered to vote, one place moved, they still, they went ahead and multiple votes.
I'll just story after story after story. And it goes back to the fact that we need a simple system. Every voter should have to be able to identify, show a voter ID, vote in person.
And if they can't, there should be a system where they can, okay, five minutes, good. There are backup systems for people who can't go vote in person, but we need free and fair elections. And until this country realizes the importance of a free and fair election, our right to vote is one of the most important rights we have in a free country. We've seen what happened right in Venezuela. They had an election. The opposition party had about 60 plus percent of the votes, but Maduro said, no, I won. The dictator is staying in power. He's using the military.
He's using gangs. We talked about this the other night, last week. I guess just last night we mentioned it. And so here was an election. The people wanted this guy out by a large margin. And now we've got people fleeing the country. We had tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands already left.
I think actually it was in the millions left. And now they were hoping that they could change and turn their country around. But once you get a dictator in power, once you get a socialist communist government in place, it is almost impossible without a violent revolution to get rid of them because they control the money. They control who counts the votes.
In fact, I think it was Joseph Stalin. Doesn't matter how you vote. The only thing that matters is who counts the votes.
And that is the thing that I worry about in this country with all the cheating, with all the corruption. Your vote is sacred. And we've got to get back to a system where everybody feels secure that our voting system is fair, it's safe, and your vote will count. And folks, it's up to the people. You make demands on your elected leaders. If you don't demand that they fix the electoral system in your state, your county, your area, nobody's going to change until they're forced. Basically, it's kind of like herding cattle.
Sometimes you need a cattle prod to get cattle to go into a trailer or up a ramp. Sometimes you have to hit these politicians with a cattle prod to get them to do the right thing for the right reason. And if you don't elect the right people, that's on you, the voter.
And if you allow something to happen, don't speak up, don't do anything to try and get rid of a crooked politician, get them voted out of office, or elect somebody that you have more faith and confidence in. Remember, we're supposed to be the sovereigns. We're supposed to be the leaders of the country. The government is in our hands. We've turned over control of the government to a bunch of professional politicians.
They're supposed to be our servant leaders, work for us. We lost that. We need to get it back.
We desperately need to get it back. And it'll only happen when the people demand their government go back to the way it's supposed to be to serve you, the sovereign citizen. And until you guys care enough to get mad, vote right, take action in your local government, get involved, nothing's going to change. So I applaud these people that are out there doing the lawsuits that are trying to clean up the rolls, but this election is going to have consequences that will probably last a lifetime. It is, I'm sure to me, whether or not we remain a constitutional republic, we remain a free country, a lot's going to depend on this election, folks. It's in your hands. It's up to you, the people.
So I just pray you pray that God guides and directs us and intervenes in this election and that we save this nation under God. We'll be back here real soon. Don't go away. We'll be right back after this break. Hey, I got a little ahead.
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