The Story of St. Patrick

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And now, here's today's Truth Talk Live host. It is St. Patrick's Day. And, you know, how fun is that at Truth Talk Live? And if you were in our studio right now, we'd look somewhat like an Irish flag because.

My dear friend, The doc himself is wearing bright orange because for some That would know that the Protestant color in Ireland is orange. And then, for the other side of the studio, right this minute, Robbie is in bright. Kelly Green. And so that, you know, for the Catholic side of the Irish flag is green and red, and I mean, excuse me, green and orange with a white stripe down the middle, that they would all come together in unity and in some way. That's not to say that I'm Catholic, I'm not.

However, I do. Like the traditional Irish Green. And he doesn't want to get pinched today.

However, that all works. But it you know, you may be aware of that everything when it comes to St. Patrick's Day is not what it appears. And so we would love you to call in with a Couple different ideas here. First of all, if you happen to know St.

Patrick was not his name. He was never canonized as a saint, and his name was not Patrick.

However,.

So, if you have any of that background information, we would love you to call us at 866-348-7884. 866-348-7884. What is true for sure is that many, many, many of us who are. of Irish descent, which my last name is Dilmore. A lot of people would know that, but it's actually Delmara.

If you were to go to the cemetery and veteran where our relatives are, you'll see they came over as Delmara, but they were There's a lot of prejudice against Irish people at that point in time, so some of my ancestors changed the surname to Dilmore. And so there we go. And my grandfather, being very much an Irish, orange Irish, being that he felt he was Scotch-Irish, which would have been Protestant, he named his son Robert Bruce of Robert the Bruce. And so his son named his son Robert the Bruce, and then I named my son Robert the Bruce.

So there you go. But he was Patrick or whatever you feel like his first name is. We'd love for you to call in and tell us at 866-348-7884. What do you think his first name actually was? Or his last name.

Well, if they can give us the first and last name. That would be really amazing. Yeah, absolutely. It's I know one thing. We wouldn't be celebrating.

No, it'd be hard to do.

Well, you'd probably be so used to saying it. But nonetheless, you may know he was kidnapped. It was a horrible thing. And they were Irish slave traders. They were pagan.

They were, some people would call them druids. They did some horrible stuff. And they kidnapped him from. Wales and his family, and so he wasn't Irish either. And nonetheless, he served six years in slavery in Ireland.

And then fascinatingly, after he himself. was converted to Christianity. He came back. To the people that had hurt him so badly, right? And God honored that.

The church. But again, you know, a lot of people would think it was again, but there wasn't all the church, St. Martin, Saint, not Saint, but. What am I trying to say? The Protestant movement hadn't started yet because Martin Luther had not.

That's all the way up at 1500. Right, right.

So at this point in time, it was the only church there was. And the person that we know as St. Patrick came back to Ireland, formed, was it, 7,000 churches? Uh 750 is what I 750 churches across Ireland that literally Turned what was very much a pagan nation into a place. And again, having spent some time in Ireland, they will tell you that it was a horrible, wicked place, wars all the time, always been invaded by people, and all of a sudden it became a place of peace.

A piece a place of joy and those kind of things. And You know, it's certainly the climate, I don't know if you knew this, but the climate in Ireland is one of the most wonderful in the world. in that it never gets much above seventy and it never drops Um You know, below 60. It's always from. Right in that sort of perfect A temperature just based on the currents that go around it.

So it's not like England or Scotland from a temperature standpoint, as part of the reason that the Vikings and so many people tried to invade it and take it over because it was a very pleasant place to be. It's why they show it always so green because it's, you know, it's part of the way it is. And it does not have any snakes. I should move to Ireland because I hate snakes.

So the question still gets back to: have you? Right. been really hurt or wounded by somebody and let her later felt called. Not only to forgive them, but to go back and actually bring Christ into a dark place. What might that have looked like?

8663487884, 8663487884. Sadoc, you you got a whole computer full of stuff that you have been studying up on St. Patrick. You know, it it always comes back to year after year. Do evangelicals celebrate St.

Patrick's Day? And, um, uh our good friend um I'm drawing a blank the lit l uh linergir Ministry. Legioner. Yes. Why am I drawing a blank on he's in heaven now?

Anyway, he did a lot of research on it, and through his ministry, they put out a thing: here's why evangelical Christians should honor St. Patrick. And the biggest reason was the model of evangelism. This man was a devoted missionary who took the gospel to an unreached people group again who had hurt him. which leads to the second thing is the story of redemption and grace.

'Cause why would you go back to a place where people hurt you so bad? Because he wanted them to know the message that would change their eternity. R. C. Sproll is the same.

R. C. Sproll. That's who I couldn't remember. Right.

We're talking about R. C. himself. That's a great scholar. You know, he.

Went to great length to try to explain that this was not just a Catholic holiday. It very much celebrated something that. Clearly, it changed the world to a great extent in that one country at one time, but it greatly affected America because a lot of The people that came into the country were Christians as a result of what St. Patrick did. And so I want to learn from him.

And I'll tell you one of the things that really grabs my attention, date the word. He had a passion for the word of God. And when you read his confession, it's just filled with scripture after scripture after scripture. He was seeking to live a Christ-filled life based on what Scripture taught him. Yeah, and for some of us, and and I happen to be among them that love St.

Patrick's breastplate, which is a prayer. Yes. And so you may have heard some lines of St. Patrick's breastplate, but it starts out, I arise today through the strength of the love of cherubim. Right.

And it goes on to talk about all these different strengths that he had. But of course, the end of it is quite famous. As a lot of us would know. And certainly I love this. It says you know, after all these things that that you're praying against, that we may um But So that reward may come to us in abundance.

Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me, Christ on my right, Christ on my left, Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit down, Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me, Christ in the mouth of every man who speaks of me, Christ in the eye of every man that sees me, and Christ in the ear. Of every man that hears me, right? I arise today through a mighty strength. The invocation of the Trinity through a belief in the threeness, through a confession of the oneness of the Creator of creation. And so he had a Trinitarian view.

Yes. Mm. Um that was incredible. Uh and certainly Uh You know, to think the life that he had, he went from a slave. to having over 750 churches in that little country, right?

And we're all affected by it today. And so it's kind of neat on such a beautiful day. I hope it is in Ohio and other places that are listening, but I'm looking out the window. It's a gorgeous day. Chilly but beautiful.

Right? We need your call. Who was this guy? 866-348-7884. We got Orlando.

He's in High Point. We've got the info coming up. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Uh Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. Today's question.

Is as St. Patrick, have you ever felt called or go back to a dark place where people hurt you? Like they heard St. Patrick, to bring Christ there. Or maybe you know something about who was this guy?

What was his real name? Where did he come from? All that kind of stuff. We got Orlando is in High Point, North Carolina. Orlando, you're on Truth Talk Live.

Good to hear from you, my friend. Hey, good afternoon. How are you doing, Robbie? I'm doing wonderful. Excited to hear what you have to say about St.

Patrick's Day. Well I I I sent you something to your phone from this Jewish website that I've been reading on it. And he says that he was Jewish. That's a different story, my friend. His name his name was uh Mawing Sukat.

You're right. You got it. And he sounds Jewish, doesn't he? Yeah. Prior to being from the tribe of Judah.

And he was converted to Christianity. That's interesting, isn't it? Yeah. And yeah, it it's It's I mean, I started reading and I just got passion for on it what he was saying and what he did. I mean, I knew part of the history, but I never heard it through a Jewish website.

Yeah, there you go. That you have. Like, stump the panel, man. I mean, you're you're just on top of it. And I did get your text.

And it shows exactly what you're describing. One for Israel. And so when you look at his name, I mean it's M-A-E-W-Y-N. S U C C A T. You that looks like a sound.

Like you said, it looks Jewish. And that makes all kinds of sense, doesn't it? But he was converted to Christianity when he came back out of slavery. And then certainly he's a he's a messianic Jew. Exactly.

Ahead of his time. Or depending, you know, you know, obviously, you know, there were some gigantic Messianic Jews like Paul and Peter. Yes, sir. And John, you know.

So like a little Paul He goes to Ireland and he is just passionate to make sure everybody knows about Jesus. Right. That evangelistic fervor. I mean, talk about, again, inspiration for today. We're coming out of John 3.

I always call it John 3:16 Day, March the 16th. A passion to just share the gospel with every person you come in contact with. Um I mean, this is something that should be in our heart. He's favorite I mean, he's feeling toward people. Even if he got maltreated, he got enslaved, he still took the gospel to them.

Yeah. Yeah, and and because of his Jewish heritage, he was Very familiar with King David, very familiar with the Psalms and those kind of things. Uh prior to prior to his conversion, which is It's all miraculous, isn't it? Yeah. It's the hand of God working around everything.

And if you know, I had a chance to spend some time in Ireland a number of years ago with my wife and toured all around, and I'll tell you that they hold Him in such regard. It's phenomenal. But don't you find it fascinating that they even changed his name? Yes, sir. And you know, the other part that he was never canonized as a saint in the Catholic Church.

And so He technically is not a saint, according to the Catholic Church, and he's technically not a Patrick, but certainly. You know, that's the way the whole world knows him. But you know how the whole world knows him as a wonderful person that led led a lot of people to Christ, and it's kinda interesting how our identity becomes less and he becomes more. Yeah. Amen.

Well, and that's one of the things that R. C. Sproll said about him, that um he was not a man that would want his this day to be celebrated because he wasn't about himself. It was all about Christ. I know, and you can't help but see the similarity to Christmas to some extent, and that this is not.

You know, the way it's celebrated was with leprechauns and shamrocks and luck and beer and a lot of other things that make it the way that it's celebrated. But that's so far from who he was, it's unbelievable because I mean, it was those people that believed in such things that enslaved him and enslaved all of Ireland, were those things that. enslave us of the world, right? And there's still Doing the same thing. Right.

Bringing those things. Because it's a spiritual world, war, and it's the devil putting stuff and other people that don't know the Lord. in in in order to switch and so they forget about what he's about. No. That's exactly right.

You did awesome, Orlando, I gotta say.

So, do you have some Irish in you? Just check. No, uh, I'm more like Jewish. My my mom. Yeah, that's right.

Your mom. My mom always told me that we we my my grandfather and my grandma, they were Jewish. Mm-hmm. And so it's your, yeah, it's your mother's side that determines, you know, from their standpoint. Yeah.

And so anything that goes with Jewish things, I mean, I fall in love with, I've been in Israel. I mean, he's Jewish. My Savior, he's Jewish. Mm-hmm. Yes, and again, Orlando's been to boot camps and stuff.

I've got a chance to meet him at several different events. Wonderful, wonderful believer and big time truth listener for many, many years. Orlando, I appreciate you so much. I love you, Robbie. I love you too, my friend.

Have a great St. Patrick's Day in the real sense of it. God bless you. God bless you, guys. God bless you.

What say you? 866-348-7884-866-348. Seven, eight, eight, four, man. That's amazing, isn't it? It is.

And to think again about this man. That today is being celebrated, shall we say, in a way that's not how he would go about it. He was a man of model faith. I mean, he just loved the Lord and. His dedication, I think for me, I'm being more challenged than ever for his dedication to share the gospel.

And it's your question for our listeners today. Have you ever found yourself um going back to a dark place a difficult place where you were hurt. And now because you become a Christian, you want to go back and even tell the people that hurt you the most the greatest story ever told. That's what he did. There was a um I I did a piece with Rabbi Chaim Eisen yesterday.

Um about the idea of You know, is it Proverbs 30, 17, something along those lines? It says. that don't rejoice when your enemy falls. That God may You know, look on you, and that may not be a good thing. That you're supposed to.

you know, be in humility about that kind of thing. Uh oh. But at the same time, when Deborah killed That's that's the Was it Balak?

Well, Jail was involved with Balak being killed or whatever. That she. Sang this song about the wicked being gone. And so there's this question of how we're supposed to feel, you know, when somebody like The Arch ruler of whatever they call him, supreme leader of Iran, you know, when they fall and that kind of stuff. And so when you look at the I think it's Psalm 104.

I think it's verse 35. There's a fascinating verse there, if I get it right. I hope I did. There may be some I want to make sure I get it right here. that Ends the psalm.

And it says, Let sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Mm-hmm. Fascinatingly, there's an amazing story about this verse. And it will change the way you look at the verse, but it will also change the way you look at that whole idea that obviously St. Patrick's.

St. Patrick or Maywin, depending on how you want to say it. Maywin, yeah. Took into account.

So we're going to hear that when we come back. Whips us for your calls at 866-348-7884. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back on this St. Patrick's Day, the Truth Talk Live.

We're talking about... Saint Patrick, things you may know about him, and you know, clearly he was kidnapped as a child and hurt a great deal as he was six years in slavery by the Irish Druids. And the question is: have you ever been hurt or something like that and then called back to a dark place to the people who hurt you to bring the church, to bring Christ there, right? How did that happen? What did that feel like in your life?

And we were talking about Psalm, and I've got to call Kathy in Salt Lake, we're going to get to in a second, but we're talking about Psalm 104.35. And I'm going to tell you a fascinating story about it. This verse says, Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless the Lord, O my soul. Praise ye the Lord.

And there was this Jewish rabbi. His name was R Meyer. End of He had two neighbors, apparently, that were Ruining his life from his standpoint. And so he was rabbi and he was praying in front of his wife. A good idea, by the way.

And I can't help but picture either Doc's wife or my wife in this scenario. But he's praying Psalm 104.35, like, let the sinners be consumed from the earth, Lord. You know, and he's saying it. And his wife pipes up and she goes, you know, when you look at that word that you're saying, sinners. It it it could easily be translated, and I believe it would be properly translated, sin.

Mm. Let sin be consumed from the earth. Right. And the idea of that is that those sinners can repent. And then you have something absolutely beautiful, right?

The Redeemed of the Lord. It's a game changer. It is a game changer when you look at that verse from that perspective. And that's what St. Patrick's did.

He didn't pray that his enemies would be consumed. He he went back and allowed the Lord To remove the sin from the situation, which is what Christ died for. It's beautiful.

So we got Kathy. Is in Salt Lake City, Kathy, you're on Truth Talk Live. Hi, thanks for having me. Oh, I'm excited. What have you got for us?

Well, you were talking about all the symbols that go with St. Patrick's Day. Yeah. Um And as a kid, you know, Shamarx was a great thing. We used to go out in the lawn and look for, you know, four-leaf clovers and stuff.

But when I was living in Europe, Um the Irish Revere the Oh shit. Shamrock. Because rather than having the cross. Or having Christ on the cross, like the Protestants and the Catholics would argue about, they all unified with the three-leaf clover. Because it repres with the three leaves, it represents the Trinity.

Mm-hmm. Exactly right. Absolutely beautiful. I'm so glad you brought that up, Kathy. 'Cause it and and it looks like a cross, doesn't it, in its own way?

And us. And there's no doubt when you read St. Patrick's Cross that it starts out with, I rise this day in the invocation of the Trinity. The Trinity is a huge deal in Ireland. You couldn't be more right.

That's absolutely beautiful. I love it. That guy have you ever heard that doc? Just a little. Really?

Just a little. That's that's awesome. But that the clover. And growing up on a farm with clo raising clover, that was one of the things we connected with. And that three-leaf clover represented the Trinity.

That's beautiful. I'm so glad you brought that, Kathy. Thank you very much. Thank you. You have blessed me.

Thank you too. God bless. That's awesome. 866, what a J Man. See the things we've learned already, Doc?

He was Jewish. Clovers can be the Trinity. 866348. 7884, 866-348, 7884. What are your thoughts on this whole St.

Patrick's issue, Doctor? And I'm learning more th that you're of Irish descent. I I did not know Robert The Bruce. I didn't know that. Yeah.

My my grandfather loved Scottish history, that kind of thing. But we were Scotch-Irish, and he wore orange, believe me, proudly for who? William of Orange. William of Orange. And that was for the Protestant side.

And I've learned that today. I'm red orange today because of you. I'm learning from you. I never knew when I looked at an Irish flag about the orange being for Protestant. I think I told you earlier, my first encounter.

encounter with Saint Patrick's Day, very negative.

Some kid, probably in the third grade, I think, maybe second grade, pinched me. I'm like, why did you pinch me? What was that all about? And you don't have any green on. Today's St.

Patrick's Day. If you don't wear green, you get pinched.

Well, my mom and dad didn't tell me I was supposed to wear green. No one had ever told me, like, I'm getting pinched. Because Whose day is this? And now you're sitting here. Wearing green so they're it says because I you know actually there's there's there's some magic to why I'm wearing this green that You may know for those and Nick knows as our producer that I use the word shenanigans a lot.

And I have, because ever since I was a kid, there was a show, a TV show on in the 60s called Shenanigans. And I play the theme song to that show actually every Saturday morning when we go to play shenanigans. And so I have been known by a lot of good friends as using this word constantly.

Well, at a boot camp about, I don't know, five, six, seven years ago, it happened to be on St. Patrick's Day. And I stood up to give one of our talks. And as I did, the entire audience was wearing these. I'm here for the shenanigans.

I should say the whole all my buddies in the audience were wearing these. I'm here for the shenanigans shirts. And so it was, from my standpoint, you know, just a really neat thing.

So they gave me the honorary, I'm here for, and every St. Patrick's Day, I try to remember to wear it just as a tribute to my friends and to think about how fun it is. I just love the word. It's fun to say. Shenanigans.

8663487884866348 7884. We would love to know your thoughts or some of your traditions, right? I know that tonight you're doing what? Um cabbage and um What do you call that hash? Corn beef hash.

You know what? Are you having hash? Corned beef. Are you having the corned beef or would, you know, because.

Well, you know, my wife does the best cooking in the world, and I never get in her way.

So, um, hopefully, she didn't hash it. That's a breakfast thing.

Okay, corned beef and cabbage, and with the mustard on it and clothes, and oh, yes. It's Well, in my family, we also add horseradish and Worcestershire sauce.

Okay. And that Worcestershire sauce on the cabbage, it's to die for, by the way. If you got any at home tonight, just try a little on your cabbage, and you'll go, oh, hey, Robbie, I knew what he was talking about. It does wonders. for all that and I've eaten it free.

Actually, since I was a wee lad. As my father would always tell us all the stories of the ancient Delmara clan and all the shenanigans that they were involved in.

Well, I think I should take us to a shenanigan. We've heard that Patrick may have been Jewish. Right. Well, uh. I studied under a tremendous pastor.

First Baptist Dallas. Right. Back in, he was there from the 50s, 60s, 70s. I was there in the 80s with him. He preached a message, Robbie.

Here we go now. St. Patrick was a Baptist preacher. And he makes good references to that, but he could have been Jewish and not a Patrick and. A Baptist preacher.

There you go. And Dr. Cristwell was one of the great authorities on Baptist preachers. And so I found that fascinating when I was doing research that here Dr. Cristwell had preached a full message back in 1958.

Um, going into St. Patrick's Day, he said, I want you folks to know that we have a great role model. And the thing that stood out to Dr. Crispole, who was a sole winner, was this man's passion for souls. And as well as organizing the church and having a biblical church.

That organization where you've got a pastor and the congregation and his love for the word. And Dr. Criswell, he had a passion for the word. And the reason they called him a Baptist preacher was because he baptized. And he did.

He baptized. And he would have to. And he would organize churches. The buildings close to a stream, or they would dig a well, And Chris will even said that his name came from that because they would call those wells, because they were sacred, Christ wells. Christ wells.

And then someone along the line, like your name got changed, that got changed to Chriswell. And so Dr. Christopher, as he did his own research law, look, my name came from St. Patrick. In his own way.

And not to mention those baptisms obviously came out of those wells. You know, the water and the rivers. Yeah. Right? You've got to have running water in order to, you know.

Have that whole Baptist preacher thing going.

So that's pretty good. And you know, for us evangelicals, the big thing is that. Baptism is only for those who have been saved. Infant baptism would be something we would not be for, simply because, again, we believe someone is baptized to make a profession of what they have done outwardly from showing off what has happened to them inwardly. Which, by the way, that's the reason why we have this show live.

So if you happen to disagree with Dr. Carson, we would love for you to call in. We really would. 866-348-7884, anything, any shenanigans you may have on St. Patrick's Day, or some other story that you would love to.

But fascinatingly, since you've brought up two Individuals. R. C. Sproll was big on infant baptism. And he and John MacArthur had a whole debate I listened to one time on the whole subject.

It was very engaging. Right? And both men, wonderful scholars, loved the Word of God, as you know, deeply ingrained in it and studied all their life, had completely different viewpoints on that particular point. But you would point out that in St. Patrick's case, what we know is that he was baptizing adults in these churches.

And so. You know. That that's it's a fascinating idea. you know, that what R. C.

would teach versus what John MacArthur would teach, what Dr. Christwald would teach, yes. Or Jerry Falwell. They all had, you know, and again, they had the courage to stand up and and and and teach what they felt like the Spirit was teaching them. And so that takes great courage, in my opinion, to dial 866-348-7884.

With your view on such things, 866-348-7884. We would love to hear your St. Patrick's insight. It's a beautiful thing, and it's a beautiful day to celebrate it. And I've seen some of those clover just recently.

And so now I've got a whole new light thanks to a caller from Salt Lake.

So we'll be right back with your calls. 866-34TRU. Mm. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back to True Talk Live on this beautiful St.

Patrick's Day. And so we got... Just blessed, really, with this whole idea of St. Patrick, the phone calls we've gotten. And we're really blessed now to have Sid in Michigan, who is actually Irish.

Sid, you're on Trade Talk Live. Yeah, great to hear you guys. This is this is very special. On St. Patrick's Day, so I just thought I'd give you a quick call and join in.

We would love your insight. We definitely love your insight because obviously you've lived St. Patrick's Day your whole life. Yeah, that's good. Definitely, definitely.

Even more so when I've come to America, I I find you guys are celebrating it even more than what we did back in Ireland.

So I've got back into it again in a bigger way. And so how do you guys view Saint Patrick? I think it's fantastic because we work in the Ministry of Reconciliation.

So we actually see the Shamrock, as was mentioned earlier, the shape of the cross as well as the Trinity And that is a really Major factor in bringing the two sides together, the Protestants and the Catholics. And although we're not in Ireland right now, we're working a lot amongst the Muslims right now, but what's happening is. I I love going back to find out uh the sources of Patrick's ministry and just the remarkable things that he did with his, particularly the open monasticism. uh because monasteries are usually closed, but his were open. And that's part of the success of his evangelism in Ireland.

Into the north of England, Scotland. And once, when we were in Austria, I actually found a cave in the graveyard. You know, the Sunday music and all that business. But the actual graveyard in there, there's a big mural of Sympatric. In Austria.

So he had probably, more than likely, been in Austria, or else it was some of his disciples. And there were records. We went to, we flew into London once via Greenland, and we found there. that there was a the the taxi driver that brought us from the airport. I mean and I don't know whether this is true or not, but he says, no, he says, I found I traced my ancestry back to an Irish princess who had been kidnapped by the Vikings, you know, around the seventh, eighth cent century and brought back to Greenland.

And then also even up in Newfoundland, Um it's reckon that there are uh little uh crosses and Celtic symbols in the ground there. And also in Greenland, of uh uh evidence that there had been Irish monks or evangelists who went there. Um about the it's about the fifth Fifth century. Fifth century, eighth century. They had these ships which really went fast across the water, coracles they were called, and they had a very low draft in the water, but so they're very fast.

Patrick's disciples, evangelists, were reaching out right across Europe and right up as far as the Arctic Circle. Yeah, isn't that beautiful? And I I I know Ireland has this amazing climate, which obviously attracted Vikings and the like all You know, and so as you said, and I There's no doubt that his ministry changed the world. Definitely. I mean, they preserved, you know, they said there's a book written by, oh, gee, who's written it?

How the Irish. Preserved humanity, or you know, actually, during the Dark Ages when Europe was in the Dark Ages. Ireland was known and it was long known for a long time as the land of saints and scholars. Because they preserved Christianity and civilization, as it were, through the Middle Ages. in Europe.

And and you know, when I was there a a few years ago, Fu what they talked about, and it seemed so true, was the peace. That's what St. Patrick brought to what was a war-torn. Horrific place of the Druids, etcetera, etcetera, where they were doing horrible paint. All of a sudden, here was this piece.

And it was so attractive to the rest of the world because they didn't have peace. Right? It's just as what you're describing. Yeah, the child sacrifice. um which the Druids practiced.

The the tribal wars Um And the real challenge is that Patrick challenged the Druids and challenged the tribal chiefs. And really, it seems at that time that if a tribal chief got converted, then he would bring the whole tribe. Wow. That's exactly. They're all baptized.

Interesting, that Christwell. I didn't know that. So that's why I give you a call. How that came out as the Christ Wells. Christ Wells.

Yeah. The guy that that book that book that I was thinking about is called How the Irish Saved Civilization. I'm looking for it here and I can't find it, but it's a a grid book. I can't find it.

So, anyway, that's great. Oh, it is great. And I am Sid, I'm so grateful for where in Michigan are you?

South Michigan, down near, about an hour south of Dearborn, which you've probably heard of.

Well, my father worked for Buick, so we've spent a number of years in Michigan, like most automotive people did. Down near Dundee, just beyond Dundee. Yeah, that's wonderful. Thomas Cahill. is the author of the book, How the Irish Saved Civilization, 1995.

Thomas Cahill. Thomas Cahill, C-A-H-I-L-L, Cahill. Oh, that's it. Careful. Careful.

Almost Cahoe. I'm not saying it with the Irish that shit now, my Well, the beauty of that, when you really think about it, is Ireland compared to Britain or compared to Scotland, it is not a big place. It is an island. And it's really gone through a lot of turmoil, turbulence right the way through. In fact, the funny thing is, well, it's not a funny thing, well, it's a unique thing.

I met my wife in Belfast, 1972. 1972 was one of the worst years in the Troubles. Yes. They called it the Troubles, the War. And there were more assassinations, more hijackings.

More killings and bombings in that year.

Well, here I go walking into Belfast because I'd just come back. When I was young, I used to walk into Belfast and run the shops pet shops and they there's a lot of country music. They love country music. And I turn around this corner. I'd just gone through a checkpoint because you couldn't go into the center of the town without being searched and scanned by the police and security forces.

So here I go in, I hear singing.

Well, I think it's just a shop. But it wasn't, it was live. And then I heard speaking, and it was an American accent, a girl. And I thought, She's crazy in the middle of this bomb that earth singing with a guitar on her neck. Pretty an young American girl.

Nice looking too. And so what happened was Um I turned I went round the corner and uh She had a little crowd around her and there'd just been a bomb scare.

So there's people coming out of the shops. There's a soldier standing, automatic weapon, helmet and stuff.

So I listened to her singing.

Well, to cut a long story short, here she was, American, 1972. About two weeks later, I heard she was going back to America, so I Had got to know by then. We had our first date on what they call Bloody Friday. There's a lot of bombs, a lot of killing that day. We saw the bombs go off.

But I asked her to marry me. And uh Here we are 50 something years later, but I took her back there to the place w where she was singing, where I met her. I took her back for our 50th wedding anniversary in 2023. and find out that she Her Grit, grit, grit, something like five grit unco was from a ton He was from a town about five miles from where I grew up in Ireland.

Well, how about that? It was destined? Yeah, it's fine. That is a beautiful thing. And as you're saying that, I.

Uh I hope uh people realize that the Irish flag Is green, white, and orange for the very reason we're describing is what Saint Patrick himself would say, What in the world are you thinking? Exactly, exactly. No, the white in the middle is a piece between the green and the orange. That's exactly right. And that that's the beauty of the gospel.

It's peace. Exactly. It's peace. Ministry of Reconciliation. I love it.

I love it. Sid, I could not be more thrilled for your call to take this show. It's a wonderful thing that my wife is doing right now. She's got a. Organization started in Michigan.

She leads Michigan. And it's really professional women working together. Crossing lots of borders between racial groups, even political groups. And the website is sheleadsamerica.com. And she's just launched in Pakistan and launched in the UK as well.

and is carrying on this work of reconciliation. And I'm just really proud of her doing that. Whilst I get on with all the stuff, and we're hoping soon to start She Leads Ireland because we started. She lives UK in Windsor Castle in England. About uh in twenty twenty four I think it was.

And we're looking forward to starting. We're working on this, praying it through. um to start she leads Ireland soon. That's beautiful. So what's the website to go to?

She leaved. She leads America.com. America. She leads America.com. Does she still sing?

She does, you know, she does. In fact, we'll be singing tonight because we do a little kind of party on St. Patrick's Night. and uh do it live uh like a Facebook live thing, you know.

So we tell little stories and we sing songs, sing Irish songs. And just to hear you say you say St. Patrick's Day is so much better than anybody else. Yes, yes. With that Irish accent, it's beautiful.

It's absolutely beautiful, Sid. God bless you and your family. Sheleadsamerica.com. We got to go. But thank you again so much for your call.

And I'll never forget this St. Patrick's Day. You have a fantastic night. Happy St. Patrick's Day.

I'll get my shenanigans in. Believe me. God bless. Bye-bye. Truth talk life.