What faith did you come out of?

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This is Jamal Wombel. I am your host for today for Truth Talk Live. I'm back yet again. Yesterday we were talking about the Muslim faith.

So now we're going to be talking about Scientology. And the question for today is, what faith did you come out of? Did you come out of the Muslim faith? Did you come out of atheism?

Some people say that is a faith or no faith at all. Did you come out of Buddha? Buddhism. Did you come out of Jehovah's Witness? What did you come out of?

Did you come out of your own faith? I believe in myself. I pulled myself up by my bootstraps. I. work to get my position.

I'm smart enough. I'm brilliant enough, and gosh darn it, people like me, you know, that kind of thing.

So, what faith did you come out of? Call in. We like to hear from you. The number is going to be 866-348-7884. Again, that is 866-348-7884 or 866-34TRUTH.

I have the great Mr. Robbie Dillmore, also known as the Christian Carr guy, in with here me here with me today. He's going to be taking the realm of this. He was also in Scientology, and I did not know that. And he has quite the experience with that.

So I'm going to step back. I'm going to let you hear the the master himself, the master radio uh host, He's going to take it over, and I'll let you hear what he has to say.

So, Mr. Dillmore, without further ado. Take it take it away.

So I I love Jamal. I love your question today. Like everybody came out of a faith system, but God chased after you, you know, in a lot of different ways. And. It amazes me that he came after me.

Like, I couldn't be more off the rails than I was at the point in time. And so, as I tell this story, and I'm going to tell it. Like the way it actually happened. You can see God's hand that in spite of you're going to think, well, this was all set up by the devil.

Well, you know, God allows certain things so that He can do certain things. Only thing I can say. But the truth is that I was In a horrible depression. My parents had left town. I lived in Albuquerque at the time.

I worked for Gallus Olds Cadillac, and I was in the car business, as you might imagine. And I had gotten so depressed. Over relationships with girls and things like that, that I just wanted to die. And I had attempted suicide. Three or four times before this with different methods, but this particular time is going to sound like the craziest thing you've ever heard, but it's actually what I had come to is like.

I just want to die, and so what I'm going to do is, I'm just going to lay here. It was a Friday night, I'm just going to lay here. not eat anything, not any drink anything, and I'm going to lay here till I die. That was my decision. And I was.

in my apartment fully prepared for that to happen and the year was nineteen seventy six, so it was a few years ago. Just a little bit ago. And before you continue on, um, I'm curious, maybe the listeners are curious, what age were you at this point? I was 21. Wow.

Young and up and coming. Yeah, wow. And so I was laying there and all of a sudden I hear this knock on the door. And It bothered me because obviously, don't you know I'm laying here trying to die? And what are you doing knocking on my door?

You know, so I get up, and it was a young lady. who was selling the book. Dianetics, the modern science of mental health. And for those who don't know, Dianetics is the sort of on-ramp to Scientology. And Dianetics has to do with your physical body and and Scientology has to do with your spiritual body.

So She's selling the book, Dianetics of Modern Science and Mental Health, and I can still tell you it was $2, okay? And she was like, you know. And I just wanted to get her gone so I could go back and die. Robbie, you're making me laugh at this. It was what it was.

And so I handed her the two bucks, and I was like, okay, you have a good evening, you know, just to get rid of her. The easiest way to do it. And she said, well, you're going to call me. Tomorrow morning? And she handed me her card.

Well There I am with this book. I'd have spent two bucks on, which Back then was a lot more money than it is today. Anyway, and I lay down on the Bed. And I think, well, I spent two bucks on the book. I can read it.

I got nothing else to do. I'm dying. And so, man. That book spoke Volumes to me. It made perfect sense to me.

And the idea of it was: if I could just briefly explain this, and again, this is a trap. And I understand why it's a trap and how it's a trap, but it was a trap that got me out of my depression. And it was that simply You have what they call a reactive mind, and this is what they call it in Dianetics. It's very similar to your subconscious. And this thing has been operating since the moment that you were born, and all sorts of things are happening that you're not necessarily aware of while you're asleep or while you're in the birth process.

And those things trigger behaviors based on things that would have been traumatic to you at the time that they happen. And that by getting into these traumatic experiences, if you can bring them back out into the light, into the open through a counseling system that they call auditing. then you can get healing. And Ron Hubbard, who wrote the book, the you know, Dianetics and Modern Science and Mental Health himself. purportedly Had been After World War he he served in the Navy in World War II.

And through these systems that he developed, he became unparalyzed through his own healing through Dianetics. And this was the selling point of the book. And as I read it, it made great sense. And of course I read it all night because why not everything else? Yeah.

And sure, sure is what that girl said. I called at in Albuquerque. There was a a mission for Scientology. It was there in Albuquerque. And I called her the next morning and said, what's the next step, man?

I want more of this, whatever it is. And when I got there... They enrolled me in what was called a communications class. That's the very first thing in most missions of Scientology you would take, is a class that teaches you. The basics of communication, with the very first one being, I use it to this day.

It's it's the ability to be present. Like to be sitting there and actually be in the moment that you're in, and to be prepared to listen or to talk based on what the situation calls for, but not let your mind wander and all these kinds of things. And so it taught you the basics of communication. It was very, very, very helpful to me. Um And so it made, I was more sold on, you know, that this thing was going to get me, and again, me being the operating.

equation here. It was going to get me where I needed to be. In order to be on my track for life, right? That's the deal, right? Right.

Just like Eve, this is gonna be good for you if you eat this apple. And boy, it was yummy. But the real particularly yummy thing about it was. It was a church from a standpoint of these people loved you. They cared about you.

They wanted to know what was going on in your life every day. They thought highly of you. They encouraged you. All the things that you would want to find in a good church. They had it.

And they all had a similar belief system, and it felt like it was real. Amazing. Right? And these people all, you know, felt like this this was the system. Right?

hog the whole show so maybe if you got something that's That you're like, man, I went through something like that. I want to talk about it. 866-348-7884 is the number to call in and share your story. But that's just what happened. And so I went through and realize that, wow, I could become more an The Church of Scientology, I could become a Dianetic Auditor, which was the ability to actually take people through this process.

And so I took all the courses necessary and I ran through it fairly quickly. And within a couple years, I'd done every course and done everything that could be done at the Albuquerque Mission. Um For the church, and they were like, Well, I was like, What's next? Where do I go from here? Because I'd finished pretty much the Dianetic stuff, and they said, Well, the next levels are all Scientology, and you can't get that here.

You're going to have to go to Los Angeles. To ASHO, American St. Hill Organization, it's like their college. Right. And so I've moved.

I picked it, loaded up my truck, and I moved to Beverly. Yeah. And so, wow, what I found when I got there, you're going to be a little bit surprised.

So, we're going to get to that. Yep, yep. And I am excited to hear that. I hope you are. And if you are, call in.

Number is 866-348-7884 or 866-34 Truth. How did you come out of your faith? We're talking to Robbie Dillmore. Call in, and we'll talk to you about how you came out of your faith. You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com.

Welcome back to Truth Talk Live. This is your guest host. Jamal Wumble. I'm here with Mr. Robbie Dilmore, otherwise known as the Christian Car Guy.

We're talking about today. What faith did you come out of? Again, did you come out of atheism? Did you come out of Mormonism? Did you come out of.

Jehovah's Witness, did you come out of Islam? What faith did you come out of? We want to hear your testimony. We want to hear your story. uh was there some kind of church hurt that w that went on Did you say that I can do better on my own?

I'm going to be my own person. I'll make it on my own. Were there some questions that you could not answer? We'd like to hear your story. Call in.

Again, the number is going to be 866-348-7884. 866-34TRUTH. And we're here uh talking again with mister Robbie Dillmore. I have a question for you.

So we were talking Uh during the break. And you had mentioned that there was nobody over 40 years old. That's amazing to me. And I have about two questions. I'll ask one and I'll ask a follow up.

So first of all, of course, why were there why was there no forty year olds during this this movement, this this experience that you were involved in? Yeah, well if if you lived in those days that The older generation was Definitely estranged from the younger. In other words, we came out of. the Vietnam War and the sixties right. The draft had just gotten over.

Most of us were either in the draft, had draft numbers and all that kind of stuff. And so we looked at that generation completely different, I think, than people do today. And we were following Uh it You know, new things, right? We're not going to do things the way they did things. And so this was a new thing.

Right. Dianetics was a new thing. And so I again, I don't know why they didn't, but I suppose because the younger people, younger people were essentially pro proselytizing Other younger people, because that's who they could relate to. They didn't go into you know, talk to seventy or eighty year old and there was no you know, people In the church that were older like that, so that you know they weren't aging out at that point in time. It was all of that generation.

But that would be my answer, yeah. That's very interesting.

So it's almost like this guy, mister Hubbard, was You know, the guru himself, he was the man. He was almost literally starting his own religion. He did. Yeah, right. Oh, yeah.

He definitely did. Yeah, literally, he did. Yeah, that's correct. You don't have any other elders, no other pastors that you can confirm things with, bounce things off of. He was the man and the only guy.

Now, that leads me to my follow-up question. How did this line up with Christian doctrine?

Well, that's a great question, which, by the way, I would be delighted for anybody. If you've got a question for me about Scientology, you always wondered, by all means, just call us 866-348-7884. But You know, as we get into the story, I ended up going through their college, so to speak, to become a Dianetic, I mean a Scientology auditor after I became a Dianetic auditor. And then I ended up working for the C organization, which is their elite group that worked directly for Ron Hubbard, which I did. and was lectured by him for hours and hours and hours and hours.

So I was very informed on what that was. And through many of those courses, we read the Gospel of John. We read Genesis. We talked about those things. We were.

Certainly, of the belief that all religions had value.

Okay. and to respect to some extent all these different Concepts of God Was going to be part of the equation. But again, the whole thing, the trap of it was that you didn't see at the time. Was I am going to be raised up through these processes of auditing to make me a more. spiritual being to make me a more capable being.

A as as if you study it a lot, you're going to find that if you get to the clear levels and the OT levels of Scientology, you begin to take on some supernatural abilities. And we have to get into that. But finish your story.

So now I have a third follow-up. Please continue. But I hate to go there too much because I don't want people to jump on that stuff. Right. Because if you try to talk to a Scientologist about that kind of stuff, you might win the argument, but you are going to lose the war.

And so. Where I really wanted to get to this at some level is to talk about Because if you've ever been in Scientology, especially at the level I was, you will not go a day of your life without being contacted by the Church of Scientology. A lot. And like, if you go to my mailbox right this minute, I promise you there'll be ten to fifteen different There'll be to ten to fifteen different Um Pieces of mail. I've got constant calls.

So I, I. get a chance to witness to Scientologist Time and time and time again.

So, I've had a chance to practice all these different ideas on what works the best. you know, in order to t en engage in a meaningful conversation with them. And you can, I know Scientology backwards and forwards. You will get nowhere discussing that with them. That's very interesting.

That helps people out with how to address them. I would like to get to a caller. And we have an anonymous, which is interesting. But um We can go ahead and put Anonymous on, and we would like to hear his question.

Well, thank you for being on Anonymous. You're on Truth Talk Live. What do you have?

Well I flipped on the radio and I I heard that you wanted somebody to call in. You were asking for people to call in who uh who had been church hurt and That that was pretty much all all I could gather. I I didn't know uh I was supposed to call in for a question. I didn't really have a question, but I I heard that.

So I that's fine. Hey, that that was that was me.

So I I called in. Yeah, yeah. That's no problem. And we'd like to hear your story.

So you have the they have the floor right now, sir.

Well I was actually I was married. to a preacher's dollar. And I got saved. And uh I went to church, and you know, this was the real deal. The Spirit of God was on me.

And is what when I first walked into the church, I got shouted down and I got up and walked out. And Um and then The preacher He He he kinda after the the fact, he kind of knew what had happened. But it was never it was never Right. I wasn't believed when And it didn't matter if they I knew I was right. Correct.

And it it just sent me on a down downward spread. viral and And I've basically In trying. to recover from that. The rest of my life. If you could, could you get into more why you were shouted down?

If you don't want to get into it, uh I understand, but I think this might be kind of crucial to the story. It was Basically, it was my my wife's Mother. And, you know, we weren't, we weren't, and I can understand it. We didn't. you know, live there Idea of the Christian life or the Bible's idea of a Christian life.

You know, when you're unsaved, you're just unaware. And one day I come walking in and listening to If I got changed You know, it was over. A matter of probably a month. No. Wh when the Lord calls you, you know, nobody else Has to be there.

He can call you. in his timing. You know. And that's what happened to me. It totally changed me.

And it's like when I went to church. I was doing great until I went to church, but I knew that people in the church were praying for me. at that time because they found they they found out what was going on.

So I don't blame You know, they were I and I think what I experienced in the Lord. But partially was because of their prayer along with His timing. And have you been able to Reconcile with some of those people. Do you at least attend any Bible studies? And there is the music, so We will have to hear your story on the other end of the break.

Excuse me.

So we'll be back with Anonymous. Can you hold on, sir? Sure.

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I am Jamal Wumble. And we're talking about today What faith did you come out of? Again? What faith did you come out of? Was that...

Buddhism was that Mormonism. was at Scientology, like our friend Mr. Dilmore here. uh was at no faith at all. What did you come out of?

We want to hear your story. We are talking to somebody right now that experienced some church hurt, and he came out of his faith, and it's a It's a deep story, and it's a compelling story, in my opinion.

So, we want to hear yours as well. Call in. The number is 866-348-7884. That's also 866-34 TRUTH.

So we're back with Anonymous. Anonymous, you had left off with your story. Uh and you were talking about again church hurt You had an experience with somebody that shot you down, and it caused you some tension there.

So, if you could please pick up where you left off, sir. Yeah. You know, at the time, you know, the Bible speaks of the pit. Mm-hmm. But uh Peace without all understanding.

Understanding, and you know, I walked in like that, and I knew what had happened to. Yeah. And when it happens to you they can't nobody tell you that And it was I think it was more I'll let their unbelief affect me, you know. Mm-hmm. 'Cause I was such I was a baby Christian.

I you know, I was new in the faith and And um and I let somebody's Unbelief of Me where it changed the course of my life so bad that you know, people in. straight. Later. To be careful. On how they can affect somebody's life.

To me, The pastor or people advanced. That's like the highest call off the base. Osara is sacred. Most definitely, and that's one of the reasons why Jesus talked to. the Pharisees rather than the non-believers.

He he got on them For misleading the people. He said, You guys are wicked. You know what you're doing. The non-believers, to paraphrase the non-believers, at least they don't know. He even said on the cross, Father, forgive them.

For they know not what they do.

So, if you willingly are misleading somebody, if you're somebody that's of the faith, You have a heavy responsibility. You have knowledge. And, you know, Jesus called you out before the non-believers.

So if you're misleading somebody and you're in the faith, Um you know, you you gotta correct that. Uh but we're not perfect people. We're going to let people down, pastors, politicians, mothers, fathers, spouses. we're all gonna let people down, but, uh, That's why we have to repent. And this leads me to the story of Judas and David.

And people will wonder why, okay, well, why was David, King David? Why did he get all the favor and the title of. a man after God's own heart, where he Can we do some Bad sense. But Judas, you know, he gets the bus run over him backwards and forwards. How come David gets a pass and Judas does not?

key is, and I learned this in Bible study, Key is David repented. He turned away from his sin. He asked the f the Father to forgive him. Judas did did not.

So pastors, politicians, mothers, fathers, daughters, we we have to repent of our sins on a daily basis, even the ones that we might not know of. And those guys, they sh should have my opinion. They might not have known it or not, but if they knew it, they definitely should have come to you and apologized.

Now, this is kind of getting into it a little bit, and I apologize. Apologize if it is, and you don't have to answer. Did you ever go to them and tell them that? you know, uh, how you were hurt and how uh w what they did hurt you. Did you go to them with that?

Um no okay. Um I never did do that. It was um I don't know. It was one of those situations. where I think Now that they know they know and um they regret it.

And and I don't hold it against them because like like you said, they're They're people, and they're not perfect, and there's only been one who's ever. Yeah. And then I realize. that.

So I don't I don't ho I say I don't hold anything. And I don't hold any effort. Yeah. I don't have any holding and to Mossy toward the um But I it was just how it affected my life looking back. That is what I don't like, you know.

That that's why I said, you know, The office of a pastor or people administry is so important in people. Definitely. I want to ask you just two follow-up questions, if I may. I'll try to be quick with this.

So, where are you at right now with your faith? Are you fellowshipping with anybody? Are you in any kind of. Church scene, Bible study, online Bible study. Are you in the faith in some kind of capacity?

I I'm not attending the church and that's That's due because my job out travel. I just got home. from out of town. And I'm only home for a couple a week or or sometimes less than that. not have to leave again.

Yeah, that You know, I'm just not home to do that, but I play, I. plan. To try to find another place of worship when when my career or job or or however when it presents itself, you know, because I I traveled all over Mm-hmm. You know, after this happened, I I took off. I ran.

I traveled all over Kenya. I worked in every state. in every state in the United States. states except through the state travel and further 15 years.

Okay. And I lived in a motel more than I did. at a uh at a home and just just for the nature of the kind of work that I do. And but I do have it's like when I got saved, it wasn't in a church. It was I I he called.

And I answered. Right. And I I started, I was studying on my own. of God was drawing me to Him.

So I started, I never owned a Bible one day. I told my wife, let's go to the Christian bookstore, I want to buy a buy. And that's good. I think that was the Holy Spirit talking to you. And I kind of want to jump in, and I want to ask this follow-up question to that.

Yes, sir. Would you be willing to maybe Kind of get eased back into the church because it's tough doing out this here alone doing the Lauren Ranger routine as a Christian. You don't have to step foot necessarily inside of a brick-and-mortar building just yet. But if you know anybody that does go to church, maybe you can talk to them. You all can go out to lunch together, fellowship over the phone.

He or she could maybe plug you into an online service at one point. Because to be honest, Anonymous, I was there at one point myself and Believe it or not, this was totally God ordained. A friend of mine, actually a friend of ours, um by the name of Scott Barton. walked up to me at a food line restaurant, And I was sitting in my car. a few seconds before or after he would have missed me.

And the guy said Hey, brother, nice truck. I was like, what do you want? You want some money, guy? Why are you just walking up to me? I mean, what's this all about?

You selling something? And I had Truth Network playing on in the background. You know, this is funny how God just works in so many different levels. And at this time, I've been wanting to go to Wednesday in the Word because I heard it on the radio. And I thought it was like a members-only type of thing that I had to get an invite.

And he said, Yeah, nice truck. You listen to Truth Network. Uh I happen to go to Wednesday and the Word. And Mic drop, eyes pop out. I was like, No way, you are talking about going to Wednesday in the Word and you just walk up to me.

And I've been trying to get to that Bible study for a while. Man, this is God ordained.

So from that He introduced me to a lot of brothers that are Christians. I got plugged in back into the church. I go to Pinedale now.

So I say that to say this: you know, reach out to somebody that you can talk to. Again, go out to lunch with, and maybe get eased back in because doing it on your own. That that's dangerous. And I'll leave it with this one last one. The devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

You know, he's like a roaring lion. And what do lions do? Lions go after the ones that are by themselves, the ones that are separate from the herd.

So we need to be in the herd so we are stronger and we can resist uh the the that drawing line there, the devil. How how does that sound to you, Anonymous? That sounds great. I've actually been back to church, you know, since all that happened. Uh and and I I was going to church, going to Bible study, and and It is like, uh, you know, job so we you know With word return.

traveling just I I work in you know It's contract work and they travel. You know, I travel all over the country. You might be here for a couple of months, you might be there for a couple of weeks, you know, just wherever they got the job at the time.

So lot of moving around, but Absolutely. It's tough out here. uh progression on their own. you you you need fellow believers it says do not forsake yourself you know There you go. I was going to hit that one as well.

Well, uh, we're we're going to pray for you, Anonymous, and uh we don't want to forget about Mr. Dillmore and the Scientology.

So I will pray for you and uh You know, we'll, you know, hopefully you can get, you know, deep back into the faith. Oh, I was going to, Mr. Delmore. You got me, you got me on, and I was, I was definitely going to do that. I don't want to waste it, I don't want to waste an opportunity to pray.

So, uh, those out there in Radio Land, uh, also pray with me.

Now Heavenly Father, we want to pray for Anonymous. We all have experienced some kind of hurt, some kind of pain before, but we should not let that get in the way of. fellowshipping with one another, and giving glory to you. Uh, it's tough out here being a lone ranger Christian. We don't have anybody to fellowship with to uh express any kind of hurt, um, even to celebrate um some some joy.

Whatever the experience is, we want to have other people that are there with us to share life with us and to iron sharpening iron, to go out to the movies with, to go out to boot camps with, to go out shopping. We are all stronger when we're stronger together.

So I want to pray for Anonymous that he gets plugged back in, strong for the faith. And I pray he ministers to other people that have been hurt as well. There's nothing like another person that has been through something that can minister to you that'll take you out of something.

So I think that this was not a coincidence. As Mr. Dilmore said, off air, he said that you were meant to call. And this is another reason why I wanted to spend time with him because this is not just for Anonymous. It's anybody else that's struggling.

So Heavenly Father, reach out to him, touch him, bring him back into the fold and light him on fire for you. In Jesus Christ's name, I pray. Amen. Amen. Awesome.

And with that, we'll see you later. God bless. Tune in. Or tune in when we come back. That is.

We're still going to be talking about what. Uh, faith that you come out of? Did you come out of Scientology? Did you come out of any kind of athe faith? Uh we want to hear your story 866.

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You're listening to the Truth Network and TruthNetwork.com. Welcome back. to Truth Talk Live. I am your host for today, Jamal Wombel. I'm seeing it again here with Mr.

Robbie Dilmore, also known as a Christian Carr Guy. Today's topic is, what faith did you come out of? Did you come out of Uh Scientology. Did you come out of atheism?

Did you come out of Buddhism? Did you come out of your own faith where you are your own God? What faith did you come out of? We just got off a moving testimony with Anonymous here. And I wanted to spend a little time with him.

We do want to stay on topic. And he had some some church hurt that got him out of that out of out of his faith a little bit. But thank God he got back in there, at least on some level. And we're praying that he continues to go further and get back all in with both feet.

So, and Mr. Dillmore was also talking to me a little while ago about coming. completely out of Scientology. to Christianity. Yeah, I didn't get to that part of it, but I was trying to get to That When you start talking about the This The more outer edge stuff of Scientology or Islam or any faith system like that.

it's it's almost like a trap. To go to the spectacular, to say, oh, well, people that are OT think that they can move a glass with their mind, okay? They do. And that's okay. But if you go to that With somebody that is in Scientology, you're going to lose that war.

I know, because as I was talking about, everybody that comes out of Scientology knows you're going to get a call pretty often, if not every day. They will find you if you change numbers six times. And I know it's always a call from Scientology because back then in 1976, I went by Bob. I didn't go by Robbie. And so when I hear, I pick up the phone and I hear Bob, and I go, okay, it's just a Scientologist.

And so I've had a chance to practice over the years. And interestingly, the same thing that really originally got me. Was, you know, we didn't have an antagonism towards Christianity at all. We believed in all faith systems.

So when my wife said, You're coming to church, you know, and I met my wife and she's like, If you're going to marry me, you got to go to church.

Okay. And I'm like, okay, that doesn't break anything. She knew I was a Scientologist, but. You know, so I go to her church, you know, and this Pastor gives this amazing sermon on prayer. And it's like you can talk to God.

And I now call that the five slam of jammer cats, pajama prayer. I have a name for it because the idea is you got two ears, one mouth, you know, do the math, you can hear from God. And he began to explain that. And as I listened to that and I began to experience prayer. And experienced the Bible, which I did through Norman and Sapil, if you've heard that part of my testimony, but between prayer and the Bible, God came after me.

And I realized Like, oh my goodness I can have a relationship with God. But first... You know, I came to an understanding through the Bible that I was a sinner. And that he had a really high standard, and I need Jesus in order to get to the point where I can actually have a relationship with God, not just talk to him. Because to talk to him.

You can do that as a non-Christian, but that relationship part comes as a Christian. When I'm witnessing to other Scientologists, which I have lots of opportunities to do, like my wife, I don't try to argue them about what's wrong about Scientology. I say Man, you're not going to believe. What a difference my life should make when I really began to understand. the Bible and Christianity and Like man.

This is what happened to me yesterday in prayer. Like I was praying about and I go into a story, right? Because you're going to be given power. To be my witness. That's what it says in the book of Acts, right?

And so the power is not in your ability to argue, the power is in your witness. Because when that Scientologist hears what God's doing in your life. And the power of the Holy Spirit gets in there, and then all of a sudden. Right? They they begin to open it up.

And so you know, through that Um God's allowed me to take part in at least, you know. Being there when my brother came out of his faith system, being there when my sister actually came out of several Eastern religion faith systems. Um and she did that in her seventies. My brother in his sixties. Right?

But I I just happened to be there and happened to be able to pray with them, but n nothing that I ever argued with about their faith system ever was very effective.

However, they could see by knowing me or by what God had done through me or or the difference they saw in me, the and by just sharing the hope that was in me, that's where the power is. And that's part of the great commission about going out and Preaching the gospel to all the world. I said that yesterday on the program. That we are to go out to all the world. That means every neighborhood, every church, every meeting, every person, go out and spread the gospel.

Now a little bit of my testimony. Uh I I didn't get into it. But I feel led to I came out of uh the nation of Islam. Uh I didn't get into it, but There was influence within my family, within the culture. And for those that don't know, the Nation of Islam.

It's kinda like the black offshoot. uh Islam. And for those that don't know, I am black, so it wasn't like a white guy. I was going in there and so just kind of painting the picture and painting the background. And one of the guys came to actually it was a couple of guys that came to my high school And They allowed this meeting to happen.

And I think this was kind of fresh off the Malcolm X movie that came out with Denzel Washington. Powerful movie. And Uh FerroCon was big at the time. My father and I went to the Million Man March and You know, father's uh a Christian. But like you said, Mr.

Dillamore, Some of the ideas in the nation of Islam resonated with us. Like, oh, this sounds good.

Now doctrine. That was a little different, but I wasn't much into doctrine. It was a lot of ear tickling of what sounded good and what Farrakhan and what the Nation of Islam was pushing for the black community. It sounded good. For instance, Faircon was talking about separating ourselves from America and having our own farms and own land, and we are in control.

And we're not going to be subject to anybody else.

Sounds radical today, but back then when we were not really high on the socioeconomic scale, it sounded pretty good to us. Like, yeah, we want our own stuff. And when he called for that million-man march, a million strong black folks getting together, and they thought that it couldn't happen, and it happened. And I wanted to go, and I wasn't sure if. Dad was on board, and dad got me out there, and to see all those black people out there under the Nation of Islam's call.

heck. You can call it a cult if you want to. You can call it just a flash in the pan. Seeing that for yourself, that sea of black folks trying to come together for one cause, that was major. But To get back to coming out of that, and one of the ways that I came out of that was when Farrakhan openly and often said.

that he did not like the Jews, called them bloodsuckers, had a lot of animosity towards them. But I had enough faith in me to say Well, if you are a religion, shouldn't you love all people? I don't think Jesus said, Hey, love everybody except for those guys over there. You know, stay away from those guys across the street. I don't think Jesus said that.

And he was Faircom was going hard after the Jews.

So I think that was. A God Mummer right there be like Arjamal. Uh I'm gonna let you smell this. Get a whiff, but I'm not gonna let you fall into this.

So I'm gonna. Dangle this in front of you. This be your warning sign. And I did a little more, I guess, pseudo-research and said, okay, well, this is not for me. I want to be a part of a religion of faith that's all-encompassing, all-inclusive.

And thank God he brought me into Christianity. Christianity. How did that happen? Ah, well, that's a good question. I'll try to nutshell it real quick.

My father again was Christian, and my mom was Jehovah's Witness. And Through various sources, TV, radio, I heard about prayer. You mentioned prayer as well. And prayer is such a powerful tool for Christians. And this is something against Um Some doctrines of Catholicism to where you have to go through a pope.

To talk to God or resolve any kind of issues you have, any kind of situation. Sins you have, but with prayer, you have a direct link. You have that red phone right to God, direct, direct call, that Batman phone that goes right to God, it doesn't go to anybody else.

So I said, Okay, God, I'm a man that believes in evidence. I'm from the show me state.

So I prayed and I said, You got to show me something, God. You know, to paraphrase. Through mainly Truth Network, hearing this on the radio, and apologists, and evidence guys, and history guys saying this is a believable faith. and definitely going to Bible studies to where I could ask questions and those questions get answered. Not from just this faith, but from all other faiths.

That was my main thing to why I came out of. Going into Nation of Islam and why I jumped. both feet into Christianity and I haven't looked back since. Yeah. Yeah, prayer is where the you actually Right.

Get to have the relationship part. And actually, even reading the word is prayer, right? Because as you realize that he is the word, and as you're taking that in, it's like you're hearing his voice. And It's all part of that relationship. And it It gives you a sense of peace, like our friend Ananas was talking about.

transcends all understanding. Like I've never felt that before. Right. Yeah. Like I can have this kind of experience of Faith.

In beliefing in something other than myself or belief in something other than some system, is that I can believe in a person which is God. Um you know, that's it's an amazing thing and It's fascinating to me. that I've noticed that Spiritual people find themselves in Black places, and I don't mean that from a standpoint of race. I'm talking about dark places, like. But yet God pulls him out, he comes after him.

And because you already were aware that there was something to this aspect of your life, He really makes it beautiful.

So I'm so grateful to hear your story, Jamal. I really am. I didn't know that.

Well, well, thank you. And I'm grateful to hear yours. And as always, at least with me, the main thing is to get saved. And if you're not saved, go find somebody that's not saved and lead them to Christ. God bless.