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Susie, you're 10 times better than your husband. Earlier on the show, Pro Football Hall of Famer Marshall Fung. Coming up, Yahoo Sports Senior NBA Writer Vincent Goodwill. Director David Anspaugh. And now, sitting in for Rich, it's Susie Shuster. Hello, everybody. Hour number two of the Rich Eisen Show is underway.
I am Susie Shuster in for Rich Eisen. He is in Indy, of course, getting ready for 75,000 hours of combine coverage on NFL Network with Daniel Jeremiah. He'll be in that booth until the end of days, and he'll be loving every single minute of it. He will zoom in with us for the third hour. If you missed the first hour, Marshall Fung, the birthday boy, he zoomed in from destination undeclared.
A lot of limes to go with that destination, if you get my drift, if you're picking up what I'm putting down. But great conversation. Go watch it on the YouTube channel. Watch us here on Roku Sports Channel.
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And we also have a MVP TBD, and that will be announced next week. And we are thrilled to have that show coming to you. Great first hour, if I have to say so myself. I like that first hour, TJ.
I thought it was kind of great. Hi, TJ. How are you? What up, Susie? Yeah, it was fun.
That went by really fast. Mikey D. How are you, friend? Good, Susie. How you doing? I'm great. I'm great. Christopher. Yeah, I mean, Sarah's coming in tomorrow.
It's going to be great. You just took a shot at me, you know, saying far better half. Yeah, that's a little disrespectful. It's fine. A little unnecessary, but. Hardly. He's sitting right there. Hardly unnecessary.
Hardly unnecessary. Where's my booze kid? By the way, tomorrow is a mimosa Friday, so I'm going to stop and pick up some bubbly on the way in. And please don't miss that. You know, make your mimosas at home with us.
This is an interactive show here on the Roku Sports Channel. So I want you all of you to, you know, pop a cork in and pick up some pick up some OJ. Michael can, by the way, any of you guys who are going to call in eight four four two or four, which is the number to call. And you know that I always like to it's kind of like psychopaths who can go to sleep at night with all of their emails unread. I can't go to bed without an unread, you know, a clean slate of emails. I can't have one. No. You know how many unread emails I'm sitting on right now? Oh my God. I have fifty eight thousand and sixty right now.
Like how is that even possible? What is wrong with you psychopaths? I'm on like twenty one thousand fifty eight thousand fifty eight thousand. I can't go to bed with one. You want to go through them for me? No, I really don't. I don't know what's on your dirty phone. I don't know. And I don't think I want to know.
But, you know, hey, hey, I'm slinging today. I'm just saying. But I don't understand. Which is the same way. Is it a guy thing?
No, no, no. Because, you know, I know some people who have to clean it out. But what do I need to open an email from my Amazon being like, hey, we we saw you might like this. I get it. I know I probably would. You know how professional I am. I have twenty four hundred unread emails.
Oh my God, that's horrible. I'm thinking about it. I do that like MGM Grand Detroit.
I know I was there once. You don't need to keep sending me emails. Why don't you unsubscribe? Just hit the button .
That's a lot of work. The junk is like I tried to unsubscribe within ten a day and then ten more that spam. I've never even sites I've never even been to. Also, are we sure that the unsubscribe works? Because I've done that before and then I'm still getting emails from the people. That's also you unsubscribe.
You hit the junk. And then if you're really angry, you hit them with an email that says I have unsubscribed from you like five or six times. Cease and desist. Yeah, but that's an invitation for them to keep writing. I'm sending you more. No, guys, you know what?
I take it very seriously. I just might mark all of these as red and get rid of all twenty one thousand. Now.
Now they're all red. But what if you have an email that you need? You have to go back and find it. Oh, that's too bad. That's too bad.
Life must be so nice for you. I mean, like what kind of email would be that important? I'm constantly doing searches for something that I sent six years ago.
It's just so awful. I didn't say I'm deleting the right. I'm just saying Mark them as red. They're also I keep receipts. You might as well call me the accountant with the amount of receipts I keep. I don't take receipts. Is that weird?
Oh, yeah. They'll say, do you want your receipt? I say no, because I'm worried about the chemicals on the receipt. That's weird. That's OK. That's really that's awkward.
I don't want to I don't let my kids touch receipts because of the chemicals that they used to print out. This is a sports show. For real? Yeah. Crazy. Let me ask you another question.
How are your taxes up to date? Wow. That's not my problem.
That's that's Rich's own personal hell. Let me ask you a question. Can you leave a room with open drawers or cabinets?
Why do I care? No, I'm also I also don't like the lights on. Yeah.
Chris likes likes that. He told me he likes to unplug all the room. Shut the light off.
Why does the air fryer need to be plugged in all day? Unplug that stuff. You unplug all that, too. He's an unplugger. I'm an unplugger and lights off.
Is that weird? No, lights off makes complete sense. I just never thought all the time of unplugging stuff.
But when you told me like a few years ago, you told me I was like, all right, that does make. So there was a point where I would unplug the blender and the air fryer. It is drawing energy. Yeah, true. So a charger plugged into the wall.
If you don't pull it out, it is draining energy. Yeah, no, don't do it, T.J. We could have an hour on weird things that drive me crazy. Lights on makes sense. Lights.
Why would you? You definitely should turn the lights. I mean, I keep my house lit at night for safety reasons.
But like, for instance, my crazy kids, I went to take Taylor to a school thing last night. She left on the light in her closet in her bathroom. And I'm like, dude, why get back upstairs in there? Shut that off. I'd only go back upstairs, would pick up that wet towel from the floor. Mom, you said I'm late.
I'm like, you're not that late. I bumped her down to number two. By the way, she has a light in her closet. Nice.
Yeah, she does. And you know what I said to her? I would tell your brothers to do it.
So why wouldn't I tell you to do it? Because I treat all of you the same. Yeah.
Just like John Lynch treats all of his players the same. You see what I did there? Transition. Transition. Although I really screwed it up, I should have said this.
Ready? Just like John Lynch treats all of his players the same. And then writing a notebook. Yeah, you should drop your voice down like a little bit. Damn it. Just all the same. Damn it. I mean, I hate to miss a Bryant opportunity.
That's my favorite thing. All right, John Lynch. He's back at the podium. He's talking like he's talking possible trades, Debo. Is he going to be gone? Brock Purdy? Is he going to get his extension?
And he made a couple jokes. Let's listen to him right now. We have started negotiations. We're talking. I won't go into negotiations like always is our stance.
Want Brock to be our quarterback as long as we're here and beyond. And we'll leave it at that. I think the final thing, there's no guarantees that we get something done.
But my experience has been when both sides are motivated, there's ample opportunity to do so. And we've been able to do that, so. Yeah, I got too excited about Bryant Gumbel.
I didn't set that up. That was about Brock Purdy and his extension. And what I meant by the jokes was he said earlier, yeah, I just did the same thing like I always do. I always tell you that we're making we're making inroads in these negotiations. And by the way, what will happen with Brock Purdy? Because it seemed like there's ample opportunity to get this deal done, DJ.
Yeah. Well, we all know what's going to happen. We're going to pay him. Much to Brockman's chagrin. And he's going to flip out because Brock Purdy is going to get like what? Sixty million. And that's what they do with quarterbacks. But didn't he deserve that?
Hasn't he earned his money at this point? No. What do you mean?
Come on. Give the guys money. I mean, obviously it's not my money.
Do whatever you want with it. But when are these teams going to figure out you don't have to pay these guys as much when they haven't proven anything? Like Jimmy Garoppolo went just as far as Brock Purdy has gone, has taken this 49er team. And what do we what are we doing? I just, you know, look, there's a long track record of these guys getting paid and then not doing anything.
Look at Tua. Hey, hey, Lions fans, always in my mentions. How'd that playoff game go for you with Jared Goff this year? Look, look at any quarterback who hasn't won the Super Bowl, right? Well, but not, you know, failed spectacularly like like Goff did this year. Purdy, how'd it go when all your best players were hurt and not available?
How'd this season go? If you're great, you elevate others. You don't get elevated.
Yeah, bro. But you can't elevate like the 65th man on the 53 man roster like the Lions after why so many injuries. I mean, I hate to always bring this dude up, but Tom Brady did like, come on, guys. And Tom Brady was never the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. Tom Brady's also an anomaly, though. I don't know. I keep hearing that there's so many other quarterbacks better at playing the position than he is.
No, you don't. Well, then why do they why don't they have as many rings as he does? Like, come on. The one question you brought pretty 60 million dollars like you just get the Dallas screwed up paying Dax 60 million. I think we can all agree with that. Like the Dolphins screwed up paying to all.
You don't have to do it. The Jaguars look what happened this year when they paid Trevor Lawrence. Can't say healthy. Come on. One thing with Lynch is he does have a history of taking his time. He took his time in Nick Bosa. He took his time on Brandon Aiyuk. And well, they'd like that back.
They'd like that back. He did take his time. And he has said that the one thing the San Francisco gate is saying, and I like to always give people credit for it. There is a big difference between Lynch's remarks in the past years about what he says about getting these jobs done and get everything inked.
He left open the idea that a pretty extension won't get inked. He just said there's no guarantees that we get something done. But my experience has been when both sides are motivated, there's ample opportunity to do so. We've been able to do that.
The great news is with the CBA and all that, he's going to be with us. But there's no guarantee. But we're going to endeavor to get it done. I mean, that's GM speak for sure. But is there a chance this doesn't get done?
No, probably not. I would assume it gets done. What's the alternative? You make him play it out. This is what I would do. Make him play it out.
Really make him prove it. And then you franchise him and make him prove it again. But it just comes down to do you want to pay this guy 60 million over four or five years, TJ? Or do you want Sam Darnold for 30 for half the price?
You put it that way. Isn't it amazing how Sam Darnold has become the darling of the conversation? Well, because he pulled himself out of football purgatory last year. So we earn the right to be thrown into these conversations based upon this play. John Lynch also went on to talk about Deebo Samuel and his trade request. We're on good terms with Deebo. I think, you know, he's asked for a fresh start. And, you know, I think we're going to honor that. Don't like seeing great players. And he is a great player.
He's, you know, I think often one of my favorite draft picks in my time is it because just he makes plays and he makes game changing plays. And, you know, everything's good, you know, but I think at some point time, time happens. And he asked for that. We don't always, you know, there's contracts and things, but, you know, it probably makes sense. So we're at least allowing him to look and we're having conversations. We'll see where that goes. Oh, a lot of conversations happening in the National Football League right now. A lot of conversations.
This Deebo thing is really interesting. So he just turned twenty nine. He's been banged up a bunch in his career. But when he is at the peak of his powers, TJ, man, is he a absolute game wrecker and a game changer. What do you do with him? Would you trade for him? You want the Cowboys to trade for him? Like I said, Chris, you got to stop asking me stuff that makes sense for this team. That would be selectively aggressive, CJ. I mean, that would be. That's not going to stop making me laugh, apparently. But yeah, they'll selectively decide not to pursue a talent like Deebo for sure.
That's just not what they do. Samuels Alpro showing in twenty twenty one earned him a three year seventy one point five five million dollar extension in July twenty twenty two. The question will be now Deebo. He was awesome that year. I mean, he was insane. Fourteen hundred yards, another almost four hundred rushing and then hasn't really been, you know, missed some time in twenty twenty two. Missed a couple of games the last couple of years, but only fifty one catches.
Yeah. Last season. Well, he's hurt. Still playing fifteen games. True. The Niners would create a negative cap charge of over fifteen million by trading him before June 1st.
That's a that's a nice chunk of change. Yeah, he's for sure on the move. He won't be with San Francisco next year. Where will he be?
Good question. I've seen Washington as a as a good spot. That's kind of fun. I don't know why you wouldn't want to play with Jayden Daniels and, you know, all the excitement going on there. Look, New England would be a nice spot to buy. We'll take anybody.
Why do you laugh? Of course, you got to throw them in there. You don't think Drake May is young and exciting? Sure.
Most of your quarterback. Chris, put your fingers like this. Deebo. Deebo. Deebo. Deebo. I mean, look, why not?
What is going on here? We're having a seance. Come on, man.
Mike, yoga mats are not just for Amazon and Hyundai. I'm trying to channel some feeling of getting somebody to catch the ball. Deebo.
The fans in the back don't want that. Oh, we need help. It looks dark. We didn't even get an NFL P.A. Good record.
A good report card this year. It looks dark in New England. Just read some of this stuff. No Wi-Fi on the plane.
Robert Kraft. Come on, man. Is that true? The armrests still have ashtrays. No, they don't.
You can't have been able to smoke on planes since like the 80s. Is that true? Yeah.
We got to call RKK and see if this is really what's happening. And if it is, maybe they got an old Eastern Airlines plane. A TWA? Did Howard Hughes have a liquidation sale? Eastern Airlines used to be in Terminal 2 in Logan. Wasn't it Terminal 2?
I think so when I was a kid. EWR. Yeah. Not good. By the way, why is it so hard to get Wi-Fi on airplanes like you've always you've got to go through eighty seven steps on the plane just to try to get Wi-Fi for an hour.
It should be free. It's not OK. They make it so hard on purpose. And the fact that an NFL team can't even have Wi-Fi on their airplane. There's no way I believe Luca Doncic could apparently travel on that plane very comfortable. Do we have time for a call? Can we take a call?
Brockman doesn't get Wi-Fi. You could travel on that thing, too. Sure. You know, let's break. Yeah, we'll take we'll take some calls in the next block. But because you know, I like to again, it's I like the calls.
I like to empty the list because I can't go to bed with it open. Apparently, you know, I'm so now curious about this. I have to do some investigation. I got to do some investigative work. What do you got over there? No, what's what? I was busting Brockman's jobs.
I'm not going to say I'm not. Why not do it? No, I don't know. I don't normally pay for the Wi-Fi. Hey, if it's free, Brockman doesn't pay for the Wi-Fi.
Technically, he'd be fine on that. I don't know. That's it.
That's weird. Do you really think that's apropos? Yes.
You really? Yeah. Can you think about how ludicrous things used to be? There was a smoking and smoking section on airplanes and restaurants. Can you imagine the stop?
You're in the air. Yeah. What was the difference between 37 and 38? Exactly. And there was a row in between.
Yeah, anything. I never I'll never get that. I'll never get it. You know, remember when we went karaoke in Alabama where Mike cursed at the karaoke spot and they had like a non smoking section. It was completely like a half a wall with an opening. And that was the divider. So if you stood there smoking, you could smoke, you the smoke would still travel throughout the rest of the building. Like, what's the point?
It's so nasty. I've told you guys before this many times whenever I would go up to Sacramento for Kings Lakers games and Lakers. And if you were if you got the draw to do the Kings locker room and you were interviewing body but the smell of smoke would waft off him because he smoked like before, after, during, you name it.
Puffing heaters. We'll ask Vincent Goodwill for any good memories that he has of Vlade. Although he's like probably 15 years younger than me.
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And can't wait to bring that to you right here on Roku Sports Channel. Michael in Nashville, Tennessee. What do you got for us? Good morning. How are you doing, Suzy? How are you? CJ, Mike.
What's up, Dave? You guys, my quick top five mock draft upcoming draft. It's going to help Suzy, Chris, and me as a Giants fan.
And then you guys as Patriots. So number one, Abdul Carter. They don't need Travis Hunter in Tennessee because of Majora Snead and Calvin Ridley. Number two, Cam Ward. Best quarterback option for most of the people. Number three, Shadore Sanders. I think that guy is going to be the next Giants great quarterback. Number four, Travis Hunter. Let's go. And then number five, I got Mason Graham to Jacksonville Jaguars. I would be so excited about this. You've made my day, Michael.
Thank you so much for calling in and please call back whenever you want, because you basically just gave me a great draft. That's fantastic. Can we, um, TJ, can we wager on this yet? Yeah. Also Shadore in New York. Doesn't that seem great?
It does. That's where Dion would want him. I mean, there's no joke. I mean, like this kid has been made for the bright lights in big city. I just think that would be an outstanding move for the Giants who've been in desperate need of a rebuild there and need someone to lead the team.
And why not go with somebody like that? Who's going to be an out of the box player. Who's going to bring a lot of pomp and circumstance to use Rutherford. I think that's a great idea. Plus it gives us Travis Hunter.
Well, they just, they need a new face of the franchise. You know, they, they let theirs walk. And then he had 2000 to 2000 yards. Am I remembering that correctly? He had 2000 yards. Oh, and won the Superbowl. Right. So the Giants got to do something.
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I love seeing you on the other side of the zoom. What do you think of Shadore Sanders in New York? That's kind of sexy, don't you think?
Yeah, yeah, it is. I think we get to see more Deion Sanders, which is always a positive thing with prime in front of the mic. I just wonder if Shadore a little too on the skinny side with the offensive line problems that the Giants have. I don't want that man to get folded. Yeah, no kidding. He's going to have to hit the weight room and a couple of five guys stopovers on the way, but it would be great. And you're right.
You can always use, it's like more cowbell. You can always use more Deion. I like that.
As long as Deion isn't coaching the Giants, that would be a disaster. That would be cray. Susie and Vince. So Brockman and I what's up Vince Brockman. And I saw, saw Shadore down in New Orleans in Brockman. Can attest he's bigger than you think. Bigger than you think, Vincent. Bigger than you think. Yeah.
I thought he was a linebacker walking around until I got to this and I was like, oh, that's really. Yeah. He's he's big guy. It's bigger than you think he is for sure.
He's bigger than Jayden Daniels. Wider. Yeah. Yeah.
A little wider. Yeah. And mind you, he had a sweatsuit on. Maybe he was Hans and Franz in it. I was going to say, did he have a fat suit underneath it just to bulk up? He's a solid like six, two, six, three, you know, look like he was about what?
Brockman 220. I don't know. He looked bigger than I thought than I expected him to be. But, you know, maybe, I don't know.
Also, as we're sitting here talking, Vincent, we're going to talk basketball in a second, but you just walked into this one. As we're talking about Brock Purdy and paying him like put Brock Purdy next to Shadore. And I think Shadore would look huge, right?
I mean, I always think of Brock Purdy as like, and he's not as small as you think he is either. But Shadore Sanders, I mean, look, I love the idea of him being in New York because I think it's the perfect spot for him. Just like Lucas in the perfect spot for him. Do you see what I did there? That is a segue.
Damn it, I didn't do the glasses again. Another Bryant opportunity at the door. Vincent, read your article, which, of course, is always spot on. But I mean, so much chatter behind the scenes with this trade. Jeannie Buss was on the show a couple days ago. She mentioned that she knew two weeks out.
What's your takeaway? Number one from the trade, then number two from the first meeting? Well, I think the first meeting I'll start there. The first meeting, it felt guys like a playoff game, but it was like a playoff game for an audience of one. You know, it was weird because L.A. is so it is so big and it is cavernous and everybody knows it's like the place you want to go for a big event, right?
Like a championship sort of fight. But Luca Dodges is the only person with beef over there. Everybody else is happy, you know, that that he's in L.A. with the exception of Anthony Davis. I will tell you this, the chance of thank you, Nico, while you're playing the thank you, Anthony Davis video seemed a little weird to me about that type of thing. But as far as the trade itself, I think we're still sort of getting with the idea that the Dallas Mavericks said, you know what, Luca, despite all the things that you've meant to us and you could have been the next dirt and biscuit, another 20 year guy, there are some things that we saw with you that we did not feel like would be rectified over the next couple of years, over the next few months. Like whatever the communication breakdown was between the two. Like, I don't think it's just about who could donchits and drinking beer and stuff like that. It's usually more than that. Right.
It's never as simple as it seems. And the Lakers are just the benefactors because the Lakers always seem to benefit from, you know, everybody else's misfortune. It's funny how stars just seem to matriculate their way to Los Angeles. It's like coincidental, right? I mean, he just happened to find himself at the other end of the 10. I don't know how that happened.
And you look at what the Lakers are doing in this. This couldn't have just dropped into Rob Polinka's lap. Yeah, it did. Now, here's what happened.
Here's what happened. The one thing that people I think are missing when you're talking about the Dallas Mavericks, they were not looking to start over. I think if you're looking to start over and you want to trade Luca for whatever reason, your disillusion with them, then you open it up to the entire league and you say, give me your best offer.
I want players in draft picks. That's not where the Dallas Mavericks sit. They sit having just gone to the NBA finals and feeling like they know what the formula is to win an NBA championship with bigs on the front line and shot making on the perimeter.
Now, with Kyrie Irving and Klay Thompson, you're wondering, do they have the offensive firepower to make up for everything that Luca was not going to bring? And does Anthony Davis do that? Anthony Davis is a top 10 player in the NBA. We are treating him like he is chopped liver. It is the most amazing thing in the world that we're looking at Anthony Davis like he is just like some regular do not. It doesn't help that he's not playing right now.
It does not help that he routinely has gotten hurt throughout the course of his career. But you can see the thought of if your doubts and you still want to contend in the meantime in the next two to three years. And I tend to believe in today's NBA. You cannot plan for four or five years down the line. You can only plan for today with the salary caps and everything else in the way to delete moves faster than ever.
You can only plan in two or three year increments. And I think that's where Dallas is looking. And they thought that Luca Doncic, with his habits, with his weight, with whatever he had going on, was not going to change those things for this team to maximize on this two to three year window. And now he becomes, quote unquote, the Lakers problem. And at age 25, I mean, we're not talking about a guy towards the end of his career. We're talking about a guy who is 25 years old. I heard a report somewhere that they were concerned about a catastrophic health. He was building toward a catastrophic health crisis. And it seems to me like why wouldn't you then sit him down? And do you know anything about interventions with him or conversations?
Because we were talking about it earlier. Vlade Divac played until he was 750 years old and he smoked a pack before, during and after a game. So what could have happened that was so crazy in Dallas that we're hearing all this rumor and conjecture about a possible health crisis at twenty five? I think sometimes, though, the rhetoric can be a little strong, but I believe this in today's NBA, where the money has gotten exponentially greater for superstars, franchises are going to make very difficult decisions and say, if we cannot have a level of influence and agency with you when you are making 30 million dollars or 40 million dollars, we can't say anything to you if we're going to give you 70 million dollars annually for the next five years. He was on track to sign the biggest NBA, the biggest contract in the history of the NBA.
And remember, the money is guaranteed there. There isn't going to be any outs. They may be out in a contract where there's a player option. Usually it's not going to be a team option and deals like this. So the player winds up holding all the power. And if something comes up where player X wants to leave, not only do you have a harder time trading him because you have to match dollar for dollar, but it also tilts the balance of the player franchise relationship in such a way that teams don't want to deal with that now. You may say and I may say player X is worth all of the headache. They don't come around too often. No matter what you say about Luca Doncic, he carried one team to the Western Conference finals and he carried another team to the NBA finals.
You deal with the headache like it's almost like lack of a better phrase. When you're in a relationship, the more beautiful the woman, the more willing you are, willing to overlook her flaws. Apparently, these flaws were too much for the Dallas Mavericks to overlook.
And they decided to get out of Luca Doncic's business before he got super expensive and even more untenable to handle. Wow. What are we overlooking? Oh, you have a comment, TJ? I thought you said something over there. I thought you were going to chime in. Maybe it was about the ladies. Just listening about the ladies. What are we missing in the association? Because we're so busy talking about this. You know what? We're missing some great stories.
I think this season you've had the Luca saga, not even the saga, right? Because that sort of happened in the den of night where it's on a Saturday night and I'm texting people and I'm like, nah, this can't actually be true. And that was just the next thing on top of the last thing, which was the Jimmy Butler stuff or the Kevin Durant stuff.
And we wanted to getting so inundated with player movement and transactions and drama that you wind up missing. You're looking around and you're saying, wait, Oklahoma City is really good. The Cleveland Cavaliers, a Rust Belt team that has not won a playoff series in 30 years on a team that does not have LeBron James on it is the best team in the league. The Boston Celtics, even though they lost last night in Detroit, where I live to the other hot team in the NBA, the Detroit Pistons, like they're on track to repeat. Like you wind up looking and you get so inundated with the drama that the NBA loves to manufacture and loves to talk about that there's great basketball that we're missing. And this is right about the time of year, right before March Madness, right before the playoffs begin, that you're really starting to dive in and say, wait, who's leading the MVP race? Who's leading the standings now? And then you start diving into the basketball because there's no more trade drama to talk about. And thank goodness there's no more trade drama to talk about.
This is exhausting. How good is the East? Ooh, ooh, I don't know. I don't know how good the East is because I don't trust the New York Knicks. I don't know if you guys do. Nope.
Nope. Like I knew someone was coming. I knew someone was chiming in. I trust that team that beat Boston last night more than the Knicks.
Vinny. I am trying to take the regional bias, the recency bias. I am a child of Detroit, but I tend to believe that at the New York Knicks and Detroit Pistons play in the playoff series, the New York Knicks are going home.
And unfortunately for me, I like spending playoff games at Madison Square Garden is one of the most magical places on earth to watch a playoff game. But the team is not befitting of the stage. I can't name their seventh best player.
Normally you don't have to name a team seven best player. But when you're dealing with a team that's constantly hurt, you need to know who these guys are because they're going to wind up playing heavy minutes late in playoff series. And the Knicks don't have a great defense. They have a bad defense at the point of attack and they have a bad defense at the rim. That is usually not a recipe for success in the NBA playoffs. The Milwaukee Bucks are old. The Cleveland Cavaliers, we don't know if they're going to ascend to the next level in the Boston Celtics have kind of been in a malaise, even though they've had a good record this year.
I'll tell you this. The Celtics will not walk through the Eastern Conference like they did last year. I think that's a good thing for the NBA, but I'm not sure how good the Eastern Conference is. It's compelling.
Not sure if it's good. All right. So let's let's keep trapping this up.
You mentioned on Yahoo! Sports that Anthony Edwards is not the face of the NBA. So then who is? I don't know, because you would want Anthony Day Anthony Edwards, excuse me, to be the face of the NBA. He's got the charisma. He's got the game. He's got like an exciting game.
I think that's one thing that we miss when we're talking about. Why isn't the Cole Jokic the face of the NBA? Why isn't Jason Tatum the face of the NBA?
You not only have to have an effective game, but you have to have an exciting game, an awe-inspiring game that kids can gravitate to and that you want to actually pay your hard-earned money to see on a Tuesday night when it's really, really cold outside. Anthony Edwards has all of those things with the exception of he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with being the face of the NBA. There's a lot that goes into that. You have to be an ambassador for the game.
You have to speak out on, or at least comment on greater issues tangentially related to the game. Like we don't think of LeBron James as just being the great basketball player that he's been throughout the course of his career. We think of him as being man.
We've stuck microphones in this man's face for the better part of 20 years, asking him questions from everything from the serious to the mundane. And he's had to carry the mantle in that way also while living an exemplary life off the basketball floor. Because when you are carrying the mantle of the league, remember you saw the Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Michael Jordan, all those guys, they had to project a certain image of carrying the league with your family and the people you put around you. Sometimes that weight is very heavy for a guy like Anthony Edwards, who's 23 years old, who's still growing into himself. He's seen some social media things that we don't necessarily have to talk about here.
I think it's a great sense of self-awareness, Suzy, that he says, you know what? I just want to play basketball. Unfortunately, the league needs someone to take on the mantle because they don't have anyone right now aside from those older guys who are going to retire at some point. And Vincent, all I could think about when I read that on your great column was Kobe Bryant wanted it every single second. And when I was covering that team from 2000 to 2003, he would have taken that mantle the minute he could have and the power struggle that existed and then the beautiful harmony that existed after that with him and Shaquille O'Neal.
And I read that and I thought Kobe would take him by the shoulders and shake him and say, son, it's time for you to grow up and be a man because that's what you should want. You know what? Unfortunately, it has happened. There's been a disconnect.
And Suzy, you could write a book on those 2000 to 2003 Lakers. I'm sure you got some stories, some compelling stories. Oh, I've got stories. You want to get together and you know, we'll have a hookah and we'll talk about it. Ah, ha ha. Who couldn't bourbon?
I like it. I think what has happened, Suzy, there's been a generational disconnect with these players making the exorbitant amounts of money that they have very well earned right with the TV deals, the marketing, everything else that comes with being a professional basketball player. They don't understand and realize that this has been built off of the backs of players who will never receive these type of paydays that built off of the Magic Johnson's and then Michael Jordan's and then so on and so on. The money has gotten greater because the players have built so much equity in the public that you cannot invest in players.
You cannot invest in their brands. You can now marry them with Nike and with Sprite and some of these other brands that are known very well to Americana. You put those faces there and then you put the brand deals with NBC and Amazon and everybody else like those deals are because it's not just your game. It's about the fact that you have to carry the league. You have to represent and market the NBA like remember 1992 in the Olympics and Michael Jordan carrying the American flag in draping it over your shoulder because he didn't want the Reebok thing there. Nobody realized it was because he's a Nike guy.
We just remember the image and what that created and how that married Michael Jordan with USA sport and how he became a global icon because of that who has the great vision to say this is our responsibility to leave this behind for the next guy and not just cash in off of everything that's been built before we got here. Yeah I mean Chris what do you think I mean I can't think of I'm just trying to think going through the Rolodex of NBA players like who's willing to step in and it can't be LeBron James at age 40 because I'm just curious I should ask you one more question then I'll bring Chris in it but you know this trade was clearly meant and if it did fall into Rob's lap like congratulations but LeBron can't play forever so this is this last minute like last push he needs help. He's playing at all defensive levels but God I mean who's going to pick up the mantle.
That's the great question. I'm not convinced that Olga is staying in L.A. after this. Well here's the thing guys the Los Angeles Lakers since 1975 since the year they acquired Kareem Abdul-Barr 74 they have gone a grand total of seven seasons without having a first valid Hall of Famer on the marquee like there were the years that Magic Johnson was retired with HIV and then Shaq and Kobe Kane and then there were the years in the wilderness after Kobe Bryant retired before LeBron James showed up. It's been seven years and 47 years that the Lakers haven't had that guy.
So now you bring in Luka Doncic who's going to carry the mantle presumably when LeBron James retired. He may never retire like the way he's playing. It's like this man is going to play until he's 80 years old. We're going to be having this conversation 10 years from now. How long is LeBron going to play? He can't play until he's 60. He might just right. But I think from the standpoint of the Lakers needing that next torchbearer, it's good for the league. We just don't know, you know, how well Luke is going to handle it. I'll tell you this and this could get me in trouble here.
Oh good. I like that Cooper flag out of Duke could very well be the next guy. You know, he's he's in Duke. He's a nice strapping young man and you know, let's be honest.
The league wouldn't be opposed to having a white superstar who who carries the league like they would like that and it wouldn't be such a bad thing because we can't depend on LeBron and Katie and Steph and Steph Curry came out of nowhere like he had the story in the pedigree, but we didn't know Steph Curry was going to turn into the greatest shooter of all time and have this great story that people could sort of gravitate to because of his family because of his lineage because of his size. I think the next guy is going to be someone we don't see coming. I think part of that is a beautiful thing though. Wow. So you're saying that Cooper's ready to plant the flag.
Is that what you're trying to say? I'm buying if you're selling Cooper flag stock, I'm buying it before I let you go. This is a quick one. Who's in the NBA finals?
It is my nightmare of flights. It is the Boston Celtics and the Oklahoma City. Wow. Oh, I thought you were going to get the red lights there because I don't think they have almost said Lakers. You wanted to. I did not.
I most certainly did not. I love L.A. just not in June. Send me to send me to L.A. in January. That's cool.
L.A. in June. I can keep it. Connecting flights are in your future.
Sorry to hear that. At least you're not going to be on the Patriots plane and have like ashtrays. So we got that going for you.
But no Wi-Fi, no Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi and ashtrays. Meanwhile, R.K. Cade, no doubt, is flying in a really nice plane. I'm just saying. Vincent, thank you so much. Love having you on.
I think you're the greatest in your shoe collection behind you is pretty epic, too. Hey, I appreciate you. Tell your husband I say hello. I will. I will be on in the next hour. But, you know, until then, this baby is mine.
L.A. in June is beautiful. I don't know what you're talking about. Come on, man. Oh, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. Come on out. I'll slice you some limes.
And that's an inside joke. Vincent, thanks again for your time. Really appreciate it. Thank you.
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I honestly don't know how to really accept it. I mean, through my entire career, I've you can't say Travis Kelsey without Alex Smith. I mean, he's been my quarterback. He's been the guy that's arguably the I owe a lot of my success to him. You know, so it's it's gonna be awkward going into a huddle, like I said, with with anybody but Alex but I know Pat is ready for the opportunity.
Sure. He's um he's he's taking a lot of a lot of mental reps and a lot of notes from Alex and how this thing should be ran. Um Alex ran into it to a absolute T this uh this past season and um you know, obviously, everyone's excited to see what he can do. Well, how did you learn about it yesterday? The trade? Twitter. Twitter.
Yeah, my girlfriend called me and told me what's going on with Alex and sure enough, I went on Twitter and every everything told me that he's being traded to Washington. Now, you know, we don't usually get into the personal life here on the show but is this the young lady from Catching Kelsey? Are you? No, this is not the young lady from Kelsey. So, it was Catching Kelsey.
You just need to put that show in like the archive. No! Not really. So, it was a fun show but it really wasn't that fun afterwards and um yeah. So, it was Catching Kelsey and release. Yes, Catch and fumble Kelsey. It's not a catch. It was not a catch. It was one of those. Is it a catch? Jesse James, is it a catch?
The relationship did not survive the ground. You know, it didn't. But now we have a catch.
Okay. We have a catch. You might have a touchdown. I have a touchdown.
So, that is a celebration dance then. There will be if for the review, it's under review. The catch is under review.
We'll see where it goes. The red challenge flag still in the pocket for Travis Kelsey on the Rich Island show. And look, Mahomes, we had Chris Harris of the Broncos on game day morning in the playoffs and he said, when he was looking at film of Mahomes and he played a couple of series against him. Yeah. He says this kid's got some serious ability. The Broncos said that. Yeah.
Have you seen anything of that note? Without a doubt. I mean, what he what he does in practice is uh it's fun to watch him in practice cuz kinda he's on the scout team kinda just being a backyard quarterback. Throwing it all every way imaginable. You can think of sidearm underhand.
Chuck putting the ball anywhere on the field. So, it was definitely fun watching him in that regard and it's like I said, it's gonna be exciting to see where you can go with it cuz it's it's the the expectation is definitely high. I'm just saying I really feel like for the good of my son, Xander, we retire that video because if that puts any Travis Kelsey, Taylor Swift relationship in flux because he's talking about ex-girlfriends or an ex-show that had to do with other women. I'm just saying that could really rain on my parade in my house as we have the number one Taylor Swift fan maybe on the planet living in my house. I'm just saying. But why?
Oh my god. Like just I don't think that I I don't think that Xander would want Taylor to hear Travis talking about something that happened eight years ago. Well, I mean look. All of her songs are about other dudes.
Yeah, they are. Like what are we talking about? And by the way, does he does he know that you once got a baseball from a Yankee with a like sometimes parents they have lives before the kids. I just don't know what you're talking about. Wow.
I don't know what you're talking about, TJ. Back here on the infinity sports network and we have a little bit of breaking news. Breaking news, please. Here it comes.
My eyes see. I guess this is breaking news. I don't know. Talking about Travis Kelsey. So Pat McAfee today on his show, he's inside Lucas Oil Stadium. He's at the combine.
Of course he's based in Indianapolis. He said, now he didn't say that he reached out to Travis Kelsey specifically, but he reached out to a source who might know this and the source wrote back to him. I'm coming back for sure.
I'm going to get in the best shape of my life this offseason. Got a real bad taste in my mouth with how I played and how I got the team ready in the last game and I can't go out like that. Again, Pat didn't say that he talked to Travis Kelsey, but he said he talked to a source and that's what the source texted him back. How weird that the source came back in first person. I know weird. It was weird.
I don't know. I thought that was weird too, but yeah. Seems like 87 is coming back next year. By the way, did you really think he wasn't going to? Not based on the way he played. I think if he had played up to his standard and they still lost, then I think you could go out and hold your head high and feel good about that. But I think we can all say that Mahomes played one of the worst games we've ever seen him play. Travis played one of the worst games we've ever seen him play. I don't think we've ever seen the Chiefs really get absolutely manhandled like that.
Maybe the only other time was against the Bucks in the Super Bowl. And yeah, you could see that and watch some of the clips that kind of went viral afterward of, of Trav maybe whiffing on some blocks and, you know, giving up on some routes and thinking, yeah, that can't be the last game that 87 plays and he would feel good going into retirement, you know, off of that. So, you know, look, the NFL is better with him back out there and the Chiefs kind of trying to keep the dynasty alive. And so, yeah, we're going to see 87 back and, and we should all be excited about that. Yeah.
I'm so happy to hear that. And you and I both know from knowing so many athletes, athletes don't go out like that. We could not, especially someone who's married or dating or whatever it is breaking news. Somebody who's weak.
Arguably the most powerful entertainer in the world and arguably the most famous woman in the world, if not person. There's no chance that would be a setup for a disaster. Let's face it.
We know the dynamics of relationships, don't we? And I'm thrilled he's back. I think it's great.
I think it's great for football. It's a great conversation. And I just love Pat sources. I love a source who goes in first person and, and I know a lot of, I know a lot of sources. Great, great guy. Great source. Great guy. Well, well sources. Yeah. Love sources.
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It doesn't sound as good as my wife. That is so annoying. And we will clean out the phone banks because the phone banks are lit because you guys know I love taking the calls and I will not end this show with any calls on the docket. Anyway, that's all coming up in the third hour of the rich eyes and show. Don't go anywhere. We have so much more coming at you.
Here it comes with my eyes. I see. Should we take a call now? Can we take a call now? Jimmy in San Diego. Hi Jimmy. Jimmy. Hey, how are we doing everybody?
Jimmy. Hey, how are you Jimmy? What's on your mind? I'm doing well. Um, yeah, so I actually wanted to talk, uh, Chicago bears with you guys. Okay.
What do you got? Um, yeah, so I come from a family of various fans. I'm a, I'm actually named after Jim McMahon. Oh, that's nice.
Except for what he did to Patriots in the super bowl and whatever. All a, all of our pets are named after bears players, stuff like that. So that's something I wanted to bring up was my childhood dog, Walter after Walter Payton, uh, recently passed away the last two months ago. So he was a Weimaraner.
Oh, nice. Yeah, beautiful dog. Um, and so his whole life he saw nothing but mediocrity out of our bears.
Um, and we have another dog named blue after, you know, bear blue. And I wanted to see if you guys thought that he would see any success in his lifetime. Gotta take a deep breath in that one. What do you think? Yes. I think he's going to see a lot of success.
I think it's going to be a good boy blue. Don't you think? I think, uh, what, uh, yeah, next 10 years. Sure.
Yeah, absolutely. It's going to take a couple of years to get there. We got to get Ben Johnson, you know, and, and Caleb on the same page.
I don't think that's going to take very long. Um, let's, let's beef up that offensive line a little bit. You play in a tough division, but, uh, I think the bears are going to be good. I was high on them last year.
I have no reason to, to downgrade that at all with the upgrading coaching. So yeah, I think they had to feel good as a bears fan. I think they had to have the revamp that they're getting. I mean, clearly with Eber flus, it was, it was a bad fit TJ. I mean, you know, I mean, I don't want to hear you say Eber flus bad fit and then where the Eber flus go Chris Cowboys, but hold on. He was the 32nd ranked head coach in the, in the players association stuff, but head coach. He's like great defensive coach, bottom Cowboys. Some people just need to, some, some coaches are just better position coaches, offensive. That's absolutely true. There's a lot that goes into being a lot much like the Travis Hunter thing we were talking about, like having someone, you know, spread themselves too thin or just kind of stick to one area.
One lane is Lavar would say, yeah, so maybe that maybe that is Eber flus sustain. All right, Chris, I'm halfway back. Yeah. Jimmy, thanks again for the call. It's going to really appreciate it. Please call back in and, and, and give blue a scratch for all. I mean, I just like anybody who's going to call in and prioritize their animals period.
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