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Those were the days. At any rate, speaking of dynastic teams, we could talk about Kansas City Chiefs right here on the Rich Eisen Show and also, you know, the Eagles are in the game. Hey, listen. Wow. I mean, that's the way a lot of people are talking about it. It's time, guys, to mention the L word. Legacy. Every single time the Super Bowl week comes up and we're waiting for the game to roll around and let's talk legacies. And really the conversation invariably, no matter what show you're watching, what we're taking in, will eventually land on this.

We might want to be one of the first to talk about it because we're really bored waiting for this game. And we're going to New Orleans next week, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Our show will emanate from the Super Bowl experience. It'll be great.

Got a great guest list for you in store as well. And we've got the conversation always about legacy. It depends on whether you're a compiler or you're a first time person and what you think is most important for your legacy. Obviously, the Chiefs are the compilers. The Eagles are filled with the exception of three players, just three players on this team. We're on the championship team with Doug Peterson and Nick Foles and the Phillies special.

And so let's start with the and then we'll ask the question and we'll take phone calls and we'll open it up for conversation. But I've got the quarterback, the coach and another player on each team. And you tell me which is the most important for legacy. We'll start with Mahomes. Here's what he already is. Along with Brady and Montana, the only players to win multiple MVP awards, regular and Super Bowl. He's got in eight seasons, two MVPs for the league, three Super Bowl MVPs in eight seasons, the same numbers Joe Montana compiled in 15. If he wins the Super Bowl MVP here in New Orleans, he would have four trailing only Brady's five. Brady has three league MVP awards and that would those numbers in twenty three seasons.

As you know, Mahomes will not get the MVP this year for the regular season. He's one of five quarterbacks with three or more Super Bowl wins and one of three players with three or more Super Bowl MVPs. If he gets a Super Bowl MVP, as I mentioned, he would trail only Brady. A win would tie him with Montana and Bradshaw second all time behind Brady's seven. If he does win the Super Bowl MVP, how about this one? Mahomes would join Brady.

Michael Jordan and LeBron James is the only players in all four major North American sports history with four or more championship MVPs. He's won three Super Bowls, by the way. Patrick Mahomes before the age of 30. If he wins this Super Bowl, he would become the only quarterback in NFL history to win four Super Bowls before his 30th birthday, sealing the conversation we've already had this week that he's the greatest twenty something quarterback in the history of the NFL. And then he would have to get cracking starting next year on his 30s. And then if he wants to catch Brady, one would think or be in the same conversation and sentences Brady as you already is entering that Chad 40s as well. But that's for down the road.

Guys, not yet 30. If he wins a Super Bowl, we would compile an ad already, though. Chris, you're saying he's on the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacking. And I think you could say that. No doubt.

Now I said that three years ago and now there is no doubt. What about Andy Reid for his legacy? Already, what he is, is the most winning coach in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles. It's his 45th career playoff game, the Super Bowl as a head coach.

That's most all time. He passed Bill Belichick for this category by making this Super Bowl. He needs four wins in the playoffs to pass Belichick for the most playoff wins of all time. He's in the same conversation as Bill Belichick now. He's now tied Don Shula for second most Super Bowl appearances by a head coach behind Belichick's nine. If he wins this Super Bowl, he would separate himself from Bill Walsh and Joe Gibbs to join Chuck Knoll with four Super Bowl wins, second all time behind Belichick's sixth.

That's if he wins this Super Bowl. He's already, as we mentioned, in the chat with Bill Belichick and, you know, most playoff games by a head coach that I mentioned, he tops the list above Belichick, Landry and Shula after him. Most playoff wins by a head coach, Landry and Shula after him.

Most Super Bowl appearances by a head coach. He's tied with Shula, Landry after him. I mean, he's already there, but the win would give him a rung up. Another player on the Chiefs, you know where I'm going with this one, Travis Kelce.

What he already is, is one of the greatest playoff players ever. As we already know, most receptions in NFL playoff history ranked second behind Jerry Rice in receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. He's 207 receiving yards and three touchdowns away from passing rice in those categories. He just tied Gronk and Marv Fleming. Marv Fleming, who played for Green Bay in Miami in the late 60s and early 70s for five Super Bowl appearances by a tight end.

That's the most in history. He's 31, he's just, as I mentioned, three receiving yards from passing Jerry Rice for the most in Super Bowl history. Three receptions. All he's got to do is just catch three receptions and he passes Jerry Rice for the most in Super Bowl history. He's only five receiving yards from passing Gronk and Lynn Swan for the second most receiving yards in Super Bowl history. He's got a long way to go to catch rice.

I won't even mention it. With 100 or more receiving yards in the Super Bowl, Kelsey would become the first tight end to have 100 or more receiving yards in multiple Super Bowls. The only other tight ends to do that in a single Super Bowl are Gronk, Cincinnati's Dan Ross, and Vernon Davis.

How about that? If he scored a receiving touchdown in two of his four Super Bowl appearances with a receiving touchdown in this one, he would become the fourth player to score one or more receiving touchdowns in three or more different Super Bowls joining Rice, Lynn, Swan, and Gronk. So these are, with Kelsey, his performance in the Super Bowl is what can add to his legacy. Just merely being there, he's already in that regard. Moving to the Eagles in terms of legacy here. Obviously, we start with Jalen Hurts. Now, again, keeping in mind's eye what this would mean for a legacy if he wins.

Already, here's what he is. The eighth quarterback to start two or more Super Bowls in his first five career seasons. The others are Elway Aikman, Warner, Brady, Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, and Mahomes. He's the fifth quarterback to start two Super Bowls before turning 27.

This is what he already added to his legacy here by making this game. Brady, Roethlisberger, Wilson, and Mahomes are those other ones. He's the fifth quarterback in NFL history to lose his first Super Bowl appearance and then return to the Super Bowl within the following two seasons. Jim Kelly was the first to do it. And as you know, Hurts is the first since Jim Kelly to lose his first Super Bowl and make it back at all. Breaking a streak of 18 quarterbacks who didn't make it back after losing their first. The only quarterback to win in the second appearance was Bob Griese in 72. Hurts is the first quarterback in Eagles history to start multiple Super Bowls.

Congratulations to him in that. He can become the first quarterback to lose to an opponent in the Super Bowl and then go on to beat them in a Super Bowl at any point in their career. He could be the first to do that if he wins this Super Bowl. And how about this one in terms of winning this Super Bowl?

If he wins it, okay, he's now a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Yeah. All right. We already understand what that means.

That matters. Okay. Right. He's won a Super Bowl. Because I go to the Hall of Fame every year and I see guys with their jackets. They don't have a ring.

Yep. And Hurts could say, I've got one. By the way, before 27, if he wins it, he would become the third quarterback to start and win both a national championship in college and a Super Bowl. The others are named Namath and Montana. If Hurts wins this, the list would be Joe Namath, Joe Montana, Jalen Hurts if he wins this Super Bowl. That's a legacy. A J quarterback.

Yes, indeed. Nick Sirianni, he wins it. It's his first, obviously. He becomes a Philadelphia coaching champion based also by beating the Chiefs, preventing them from winning three in a row, a streak that started by beating Sirianni's Eagles. And he would get back after making the appropriate changes in his coaching staff. He would be able to look at Philadelphia and say, everybody, please stop arguing with me. Right?

Okay. He's the first already Eagles coach to lead the team to two Super Bowls with Vermeil, Doug Peterson, and the guy he's facing, Andy Reid, being the only solo ones. He's the third head coach in NFL history to make two or more Super Bowl appearances in his first four seasons as a head coach, joining Gibbs and Mike Tomlin in this regard. And then at 43, as we mentioned, he's the fifth youngest coach to be a two-time Super Bowl coach. And he wins. He's a toast to the town. And he's got a ring.

Now then, this is the one. Saquon Barkley. You want to talk about legacies. He's one of three players with 400 or more rushing yards in a postseason prior to playing in the Super Bowl. The others are named Riggins and Terrell Davis. And these guys, yes, they had excellent professional regular season careers. They made the Hall of Fame based on their postseason results because Barkley needs 169 yards in this Super Bowl to surpass John Riggins for the most rushing yards in a single postseason. He's got 442 right now, which is two behind the most in a postseason entering a Super Bowl behind Riggins. He needs 30 rushing yards to pass Terrell Davis for the most rushing yards in a single season regular and post. And he would become the only player in NFL history with 2,000 rushing yards in a season and then win the Super Bowl MVP in the same season. Riggins and Terrell Davis didn't do it. The year TD had 2,000 rushing yards, Elway won the Super Bowl MVP.

So keep that in mind. And one would think if the Eagles win, he would be the Super Bowl MVP if he continues to rip one off after another and be the Philadelphia home run hitter that we called him. Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Bryce Harper, all combined. He's the fifth player to be the leading rusher in the regular season and then go on to play in the Super Bowl that same season.

If he wins the Super Bowl and he keeps doing what he's doing in the regular season for a few more years, he could make the Hall of Fame. You want to talk about legacy? What say you?

844, 204-rich, number to dial. Later on in this show, we're going to dig into it. I have laid it all out there. Obviously, you know, if you're a chief, just winning three in a row adds to your legacy regardless of your career statistics. Right. Certainly if you played on all three of them. Regardless. Or you're an Eagle, you get to say, I am a champion in Philadelphia and the place, you know, I'm wearing my mummer's outfit to the parade. Yeah.

Minted forever. What do you say? Who's got the bigger legacy on the line?

What do you think? Is it about compiling? Legacy building Super Bowls or just getting one?

Because it changes everything. 844, 204-rich, number to dial here on the program. Mike Mayock, who knows a thing or two about Philadelphia and one of my favorite humans that I've gotten to know and get to work with.

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Coop's 13. And you never, I should start writing down the first thing that comes out of his mouth when he... In the morning? Yeah. You know? And so he wakes up, he's got bedhead, he's just staring into space, you know?

13, he's about to be 14. And he goes, dad, so is Kellen Moore going to be the next HUD coach in the New Orleans Saints? That's the first thing he says. That's what he's thinking about.

And I'm like, yeah, it looks that way, man. And then he pauses and he goes, so is he going to coach for the Eagles in the Super Bowl? I'm like, absolutely, he will. No doubt.

He goes, so his last game as a coach of the Eagles will be in the place where he's going to be the head coach maybe the next day. And I'm like, yeah. Come to think of it, I haven't even thought of that. And I'm like, so proud of him. And then I get up and get ready for school now, but you know what I mean? Eat your breakfast.

Right. What if the Eagles offense just absolutely stinks? Can the Saints be like, eh, take backsies? Take backsies. Well, I mean, take a look at it. I mean, did the Chiefs take, you know, have their way with Jonathan Gannon's defense in the second half of that game?

In Arizona, where he, like Kellen Moore, coached his final game with the Eagles in the place where he was going to be the head coach the next day. There's no take backsies, Chris. No take backsies? No. Never.

No. And you know, if the Eagles have a bad day offensively, the finger of blame will be pointed at the coach and the quarterback well before Kellen Moore. That's true. Who are you kidding? That's true.

Do I need to tell you the way it works? Those two guys can't get a break. It's kind of cool. I like it. Yeah.

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Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. I was sitting on the draft set when the Philadelphia Eagles traded up for Patrick Mahomes in Philadelphia of all places, Andy Reid doing that. And now look at them fresh back from the senior bowl.

We'll talk about that with this man who I adore and love seeing on my screen and have known forever and a day and you can catch him with his lovely daughter, Lee, on a podcast called Believe in Eagles every single week. My friend Mike Mayock. Great to see you, Mike.

Good to see you, man. What's up, Mike? That's an applause line.

Let's go. It's an applause line. Good to see you, Mike. You know what, Rich? I was just, I heard your last minute or two talking about your son, Cooper, and I just started cracking up sitting in this room by myself because having known you for so many years now, what he said to you and the way he connected those dots were what you've done to me for the last 20 years.

You know, I mean, I am a professional dot connector, so yes, I connect dots for a living in a way that I just connected the dots. We're talking Super Bowl and I remember sitting there on the set in Philadelphia with you, Mike, on the draft set in that awesome spot, you know, in the makeshift draft hall in front of the Rocky steps, looking out at, you know, Ben Franklin Parkway with a hundred thousand people on it. And you and I, I think we all thought, you know, potentially that Reid was trading up maybe for Deshaun Watson. You probably had a little bit better of an inkling that it could be Mahomes, but neither of us thought we'd see seven straight AFC championship game appearances in multiple Super Bowls like this, right? I mean, it's crazy what he's become here.

It is crazy, Rich, and what it brings to mind as you talk is two, is a couple of points to me. And number one is how important the fit is at every position, but especially a first round quarterback. And you know, you look at some of these guys that last year played well on their, you know, former first round picks that, you know, whether it's Sam Darnold or, or second round pick up in Seattle, Geno Smith, whatever, ultimately you need the right fit. And I remember my draft report on Patrick Mahomes and I was worried. And I think I said on the network at one point that I thought he was either going to be a hall of fame player or out of the league in four years.

And that brings up what we just spoke about a second ago, which is the fit. He got, he went to the perfect place for who he is because Andy Reid is not only a hall of fame coach, he's player friendly, he's really quarterback friendly, and he's so creative in taking advantage of what a quarterback does best. And I think that marriage between Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes is the main reason why they're in their, whatever it is, seventh conference championship game in a row. Yeah, and five Super Bowls in six years. And he can, you know, and Reid is now, you know, in Philadelphia, when you and I first started working in NFL network, you know, he was just breaking through and as a championship head coach and made a ton of NFC championship games, but not a lot of Super Bowls.

And we were talking about clock management, this and his way of handling that. And now he's in the same conversation as Belichick and Shula and Landry now. What was he saying to you before drafting Mahomes though, that made you think like, you know, at the time this is, this is a good fit, you know, we were talking about like gunslinger Favre type guy when we were sitting on the set there in Philly, what was he saying to you back in that day? The reality, Rich, is I watched every throw Mahomes made that year in college at Texas Tech. They didn't even have a winning record if I remember correctly that year.

And for every wow throw on the positive side, there was a wow negative throw where he was trying to make too much happen. And I think Andy's perception, I'm guessing, and, and Brett Veitch and everybody in that building was that if we get him with the right people and he's a smart kid and get him surrounded by an offense that takes advantage of the upside and helps him mitigate the downside, helps him understand what the downside means with complementary football, which is what I think the Chiefs maybe do better than anybody is a complimentary football. And that really brings up a third name, Rich, which is their defensive coordinator, Steve Spagnuolo. And, you know, the last two regular seasons, it's not like Kansas City's offense lit it up, but they didn't lose many football games and they got better and better as the year goes on and they peak at the right time.

And you know, Spags is a guy that I think has that defense plan at the highest level in the NFL. They play, they understand complimentary football. They understand situational football and Rich, when the big moments come along, they rarely screw them up.

I mean, they know what they're doing and they expect to win that game. And then before we start digging into the X's and O's of this game, let's talk about what Howie Roseman builds and supplements, you know, and you have in a front row seat there to see all of it. What does he do that is clearly superior to most in the NFL, Mike? You know, if we had a longer forum, we could talk a little bit about Howie and when Chip Kelly was there and Howie was effectively demoted. And Jeffrey Lurie, the owner, who's a very free thinking owner in the NFL, he and Howie got together and said, if you don't have the final say this year, Chip does, let's figure out a way to help you get better. And Howie went to Europe and met with some of the soccer GMs. He met with NBA and baseball guys and basically was supported by his owner to go out and say, let's get help you understand every facet of being a general manager, because someday you're going to have to come back here and take control. And that happened quickly.

That's the backdrop to him coming back. And I think when he came back with full decision making powers after that, he was decisive. He understood his philosophy and what the philosophy in the building was going to be.

They've been consistent. He's one of the best negotiators for trades I've ever been around. But even more importantly than that, he sees the big picture. He understands the salary cap infrastructure because he came out of that environment. And in my mind, they have the best roster in the NFL again.

I thought they had the best roster two years ago when they lost in the Super Bowl. So he continually, continually drafts well. They trade well. They sign free agents well. I think the three MVPs for the Eagles this year are Saquon Barkley, Vic Fangio, and Howie Roseman.

You're not too far off from nailing that one for sure, Mike, if not nailing it directly on the head. And the Saquon Barkley acquisition, obviously you can come at it from many different ways personally yourself from an evaluator's point of view, from a general manager, having had that experience yourself, you know, Joe Shane is getting beat up, man. There's no two ways about it in New York and it just seems to get worse with each Barkley stunning performance. What is your opinion of what the Giants did and how the Eagles have clearly become better for it and what do you think the fair evaluation of that is, Mike? I think Joe's a really smart guy and I think you have to have a plan and he stuck to his plan.

And I think unfortunately for Joe and the Giants, their plan took place on HBO in front of a lot of people. And you know, my perspective, Rich, if I'm being point blank honest, is you don't let your best football player on your team walk out the door with no compensation. And flat out at the running back position, and we all talked about how devalued the running back position was, that might change after, you know, what he did and what Derrick Henry did and what Josh Jacobs did and what Joe Mixon did and, you know, that might change. But the way I looked at Barkley was, you know, to make him happy, all you had to do was pay him $12 million, which is effectively the price of some backup quarterbacks in the NFL. And for that $12 million, what did you get? Did you get a guard and a tight end and a linebacker?

You didn't really get anything that's going to change where your football team's going. And not only is he the best player at his position, in the prime of his career, he's also a special individual and he's a great leader. And I think he helped change the Philadelphia Eagles locker room from a little bit of a selfish locker room at the end of last year to a team-first attitude. That guy's changed things.

And I don't think you let those guys walk out of your building, especially for no compensation. My buddy Mike Mayock here on the Rich Eisen Show, Super Bowl 59 will come down to what? I know it's a long winded, it's a long possible answer. But what do you think, Mike?

Comes down to what here? I think the Eagles have the best talent in the league, as I said. I think the Chiefs have Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes. And when my younger brothers and everybody were all fired up at halftime in the Eagles' game against them two years ago in the Super Bowl, the Eagles were what, Rich?

Up 10, up 14, whatever it was. And I was kind of like, don't get too excited. I mean, with Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes, don't get too excited. So I've been saying all year, I've watched the Eagles tape all year because of my daughter's podcast, and I've been saying somebody's going to come along at some point with enough talent on defense and schematically really good at the defensive coordinator position, and they're going to take away Saquon Barkley and make Jalen Hurts beat them.

And I think that has to be the game plan. And I think that's going to be, and I thought Hurts did a nice job last week with Washington getting the ball out of his hands and being more efficient. But that's been the inconsistency all year long with the Eagles has been the efficiency or lack thereof sometimes of their pass attack. Yeah.

And again, the podcast you're referring to, Lee Mayock, Believe in Eagles, you appear on it each week as well, wherever you get your podcasts. You take a look at this team and on occasion, Hurts isn't maybe the most valuable Jalen on the team, right? And you see what Carter has been able to do in the middle of that defense, certainly when Fletcher Cox is gone. And the drafting of Quinon Mitchell and Cooper Dejean, significant on the back end with what they already have there in sleigh and blank and chip, that's Zach Bond, man.

And how does that happen? Walk me through the evaluation of seeing somebody in somebody else's special teams. And again, he's not a slappy here, but to see him and say, that could be a defensive player of the year candidate, right in the second line of our defense. Like how does that happen, Mike?

Great, great, great question. And first of all, Jalen Carter is all world. And I've never seen a defensive tackle play 97 percent of the snaps and be as effective as he is. I mean, that's I mean, the only other D lineman I know that plays that that number of snaps is Max Crosby.

And he's a defensive end, not even a 300 pound defensive tackle. He's a difference maker for Vic Fangio at a position that's critical for Vic, which is the three technique in that defense. Now Zach Bond may be the best story in football, OK?

And I did him coming out. The Saints used him a certain way. Special teams kind of put Ed rusher off the you know, a different situational pass rush situations, you know, and how this is the marriage of of personnel and coaching in a building the way it's supposed to be and often isn't. You know, Howie and the personnel guys identify Zach Bond as a player of interest in free agency. They know they can get him fairly cheaply. He's a good special teams player. And you can use him on your defense in different situations. But historically, it's been more as an edge guy.

So they show the coaching staff, hey, here's some tape of that. And Vic Fangio says, wait a minute, I know that guy. And and I think I can stand him up. And he can play as a linebacker in our defense. He can run.

He comes downhill with some heaviness. And I can I can pass rush him also. We can do a lot of things with what he does.

So they sign it. And I don't think Vic or Howie was going to turn into what it turned into. But the guy's got, I think, six force fumbles, which is tied with J.J. Watt. He's got over 100 tackles. He's been a difference maker. He's been a huge difference maker on top of Quinon Mitchell and and Cooper to Jean. And don't forget Nolan Smith, who I think Vic has done a great job developing. I mean, you could go on and on with the marriage of what they do in that building with personnel and coaches.

And that's what it should look like for. I let you go, Mike, fresh back from the senior bowl who flashed, who jumped out at you in the three practices you saw. You know, you always get mad at me because I was like talking about old lineman and stuff. I'm getting mad, Mike. I don't get mad. I know you don't.

I'm just I just get even like, oh, I couldn't let you go without a shot. Nice worth every the three quarterbacks I wanted to see were Jackson Dart, Jalen Milro and Riley Leonard. They were all on the same team. I think it's hard to like the first day. I thought Jalen Milro, who has all the time, he's got all the traits rich.

This guy might run for four to these two hundred twenty five pounds or whatever. Big arm, two different offenses coming out of Alabama didn't play as well this year. I thought he held the ball and looked a little bit slow at decision making the first day. And that's kind of what you expect with a new offense and you're under center and doing some things. But I thought the stars of the show really rich were where the D lineman, the delay.

There was a day on Walker out of Kentucky, Walter Nolan from Ole Miss, T.J. Sanders from South Carolina, Mike Green from Marshall. I thought the two teams there, their D lines were loaded with high level guys. And so basically where I was, like usual, was the online D line one on one drills. I think they're the foundation of your team. Yeah, I mean, and again, I guess it's kind of all full circle here. You talk about what the Chiefs and what the Eagles do.

They hit the crap out of both sides of the line and then build out. Obviously, you got you got a difference making quarterbacks as well. Are you like D.J. saying Abdul Carter's the best coming out right now? I love Abdul Carter. Is he your best? Would he be atop your draft board?

He'd be right there. I think the other guy that's really intriguing is Jalen Walker, who plays off the ball linebacker at Georgia. But what he does best is rush the quarterback, which is the exact evaluation I had on Micah Parsons when he came out of Penn State. So I think it's really cool because Abdul Carter had to learn to play that edge position also. And I think he's high, high level talent.

You know, he's a top five pick, I think, in any draft. But this Jalen Walker is a guy that people are going to have to figure out what they want to do with him because he plays off the ball and then on sub packages, he's anywhere from the A gap all the way out to the nine technique. You can line him up anywhere on third down and he's going to cause a problem. So I find him to be kind of the guy that I'm intrigued by because people are going to have to figure out what he does, how to play him on all three downs. He's probably another 4-4 guy.

I mean, he's really, really talented. Well, and you know, from our time working with Prime, he described himself as a five down player, three on defense, one on special teams, one on offense. And he's got Travis Hunter. How many downs do you play Travis Hunter? How do you evaluate Travis? I love Travis and I'm amazed, number one, at his conditioning.

Like if you usually I watch just the defense of a player or just yet with him, you had to watch 150 plays in a row for one game. And in the fourth quarter, he's running routes and covering people and I don't know how many miles he ran per game. His conditioning's off the charts. I think you evaluate him as a corner, but I think every team in the league is going to look at him and say, we can probably have a package of offensive plays for him. But if you're going to get the most out of him as a corner, you want him to get up to 190 pounds, 192 pounds, you want him to work on his technique more and become an all pro type corner, but there is an ability there to make a difference on offense also.

Yeah, I know Prime said you're not going to want to be a coach if you're struggling on offense and you got your best offensive weapon and receiver and pass catcher standing on the sideline next to you looking at defensive film, you know, I mean looking at your tablet looking on defense. So before I let you go, what's your brief evaluation on the quarterback class, Mike? As a whole guys, everybody talks about up top, Chidor Sanders and Cam Ward are really interesting and everybody's gonna have to figure them out like Chidor. I look at him a little bit like I did Bo Nix last year and I was undervalued on Bo Nix and Chidor makes good decisions and he's very accurate at all three levels. He's got some bad habits and I think part of that is because it was such a bad offensive line two years ago and it was maybe at best average this year, but I look at him a little bit like, okay, accurate and decision making, they're really good things you can build on. Cam Ward, I'm intrigued by because atypically in college football, which is a lot of lateral throws and bubble screen, all the shorts, this kid just wants to push it down the field as far as he can, as often as he can and he buys time with his legs. He makes crazy kind of throws, but he had, I think 38, 39 touchdown passes, seven interceptions. Six of the interceptions that I saw were on him, like he's got to make better decisions, but that's what you get with a little bit of a gunslinger.

The bottom line, Rich, is if you took these, to me, if you take these two kids and compare them to last year, at best, they're going to be vying for the fifth quarterback because I thought last year's quarterback class was special and different and the first four guys I would have had rated above both of them. Mike, you're the best, man. It's like riding a bike, chatting with you, but I knew that. Love seeing you and look for more of my calls. I'd love to keep chatting with you, certainly over the next few months. Rich, I miss you, brother.

You're a good friend and you're really good at what you do. Thank you. Let's say hi to Lee. Lee Mayock and Mike Mayock can be caught on the Believe in Eagles pod as much as you need to listen to it before this big game right here on the Rich Isaac Show. Thanks again, Mike. That's Mike Mayock. Thanks, bro. You got it. That's Mike Mayock right here.

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And, you know, obviously everyone's excited to see what he can do. Well, how did you learn about it yesterday? The trade? Twitter. Twitter, yeah.

My girlfriend called me and told me what's going on with Alex and sure enough, I went on Twitter and everything told me that he was being traded to Washington. Now, you know, we don't usually get into the personal life here on the show, but is this the young lady from Catching Kelsey? No, this is not the young lady from Catching Kelsey. So it was Catching Kelsey.

We just need to put that show in like the archive. No! No, man, really. So it was a fun show, but it really wasn't that fun afterwards. And yeah, so it was. Hold on, Catching Kelsey and release. Yes, Catch and Fumble Kelsey. Catch. It's not a catch. Not a catch. It was not a catch. It was one of those.

The ground. Is it a catch? Not a catch.

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It didn't. But now we have a catch. Amazing. We have a catch. We might have a touchdown. Oh. We might have a touchdown. Ah.

So that was a celebration dance then of some sort. There will be if further review. It's under review. The catch is under review.

We'll see where it goes. The red challenge flag still in the pocket for Travis Kelsey on the red challenge. And look, Mahomes, we had Chris Harris of the Broncos on game day morning in the playoffs. And he said, when he was looking at film of Mahomes and he played a couple of series against him, he says, this kid's got some serious ability. The Broncos said that. Yeah.

Have you seen anything of that note? Without a doubt. I mean, what he does in practice is it's fun to watch him in practice because he's on the scout team, kind of just being a backyard quarterback, throwing it every way imaginable. You can think of sidearm, underhand, putting the ball anywhere on the field. So it was definitely fun watching him in that regard.

And like I said, it's going to be exciting to see where he can go with it because the expectation is definitely high. That was Travis Kelsey almost seven years ago today. Seven years ago today is when Alex Smith got traded by the Chiefs to Washington during the Super Bowl week of the Eagles' loan to date, Super Bowl win, against the Patriots. And then from that day forward, pretty much the Chiefs turned into the Patriots. Pretty much. And he's turned into Gronk.

Hold on a second. He's turned into Jerry Rice in terms of the playoffs. In the playoffs, yeah. He's one of the best, like I said, other than Brady, the best playoff performer ever. And on that day, he was just happy-go-lucky Travis Kelsey talking about his maybe new girlfriend being a touchdown. Not anymore.

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See app for details. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial right here on the program. Lots of good stuff there from Mike Mayock. Andrew in Austin, Texas. You're here on the Rich Eisen Show. What's up, Andrew? Hey, Rich. I just wanted to say thanks for everything you and Susie and Chris, TJ, and Del Tufo do, even Jay.

Y'all give Del Tufo a hard time. But hey, I was calling to ask, my daughter competes in the women's gymnastics. She'll be 14 soon, or US women's gymnastics, and I'm gonna surprise her if she doesn't know. We're flying up to Battle Creek for one of her optional competitions. And being almost 14, another month, not too soon to start looking at schools, and I was wondering, you know, we're gonna be there that weekend. Do you have any advice for a father around your age to tour his daughter around that area and maybe get her interested in becoming a Wolverine? Oh, boy.

This is an RE consulting. Well, I mean, so what do you have? I mean, all you gotta do is just take her on the campus, and that should be that, Andrew. I'm serious. I'll never forget, well, going there, a foot of snow dropped on the ground, and I knew I wanted to go when I was there, right away. But you should just go. Just go and see the campus, and, you know, clearly you should go if she's really good at gymnastics, you know?

I mean, it's a great spot for- Yeah, she's competed nationally the last two years. Congratulations on that, man. That's pretty cool. Oh, yeah, proud, proud, proud father.

Okay. Tired of all the driving and traveling, but proud dad. Well, I mean, hey, Battle Creek- She reminds me, she goes, Daddy, in four years, you won't get to take me anywhere anymore. So I'm like- Wow, that is next level.

That's next level passive aggressivity. But I'm on the business end of it from an 11-year-old right now, so I understand. I have an 11-year-old son, so he's not doing that quite yet.

Well, there's nothing like a girl dad to be, you know, manipulated by their child. Listen, go for it, man. It's an incredible spot. You're gonna love it. And, you know, do it, call back and let me know how it goes, okay?

Will do, thank you, sir. You got it. And pick up some cereal while you're in Battle Creek, Michigan as well. Right.

Which, by the way, not the best advice for somebody who's a- A world-class gymnast? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I'm guessing the sugary cereals aren't in their daily diet. Yeah, no, no. Great. And I push back a little bit.

I think we give Del Tufo the appropriate amount of grief. I am actually mixing a gymnastic event this Saturday. UCLA, Michigan State.

Oh, is that right? On Fox, Big Fox. The first one ever. How does one mix gymnastics? The sounds of the events. Of the what? The events. The floor.

Name the events, Mike. Floor, the board, the power bars. The board? The board. What board? Whatever that springboard thing is.

Whatever that springy thing is. You just don't have to know it. I don't have to know.

I just have to know how to make it sound good. You should know the sports that you're working. Okay, parallel bars, the horse, whatever they're called. Oh my God.

We'll be back for hour two in a sec. The springboard and the floor, and the floor, I got him. Mike's gotta know, when they're on that pommel horse, he wants to make sure that you know that they're on the pommel horse.

It's not for the limit. Keep on helping him, keep on helping him. Right, right. See, thank you, Brockman. Mike, balance beam. Balance beam, thank you, the beam. If there's anybody who could make an inanimate, unmovable object sound great, it's him. I mean, look at me.

I make myself sound great. The balance beam, the balance, like, can you, I guess what you hear, you hear the thud? Yeah, yes. The thud, the initial, when they hop on, yeah.

Yeah. I'm actually scared, because I've never done one. It's gonna be interesting. This is your first gymnastics, huh? Why are you scared?

They're the ones flipping through the air and putting their lives in danger. It's like, I gotta get it, it's gotta be good on air. Mike, here's the deal. You mess up, no one's gonna know. They mess up, we're calling the ambulance.

Everyone sees. There's no reason to be afraid. I almost said a scared just now.

A scared? Jeez. It's gonna be fun, in Pulley Pavilion. I can't wait to see your Instagram of the board. Yeah, here I am. Hey! I'll do a selfie.

I'll do a selfie. That's it, I'm doing gymnastics for the first time. Guys, guys, guys, be quiet. They're on the vault right now, and Mike's doing, shh.

Okay. And then you're gonna write something about how when you were a kid, you always dreamt of doing gymnastics. Ever since I saw Mike's name for not even coming each, and I was like, oh, this is what I wanna do with my life. Hey, MIT.

My dream was to Mike up the uneven bars. You do realize you're backing up the... Yeah, exactly, what Andrew just said. What Andrew from Texas said that we're giving him too hard a time.

No, he's, but Mike, he branded upon himself. I think, first of all, on the back end of it, congratulations on finally getting to do a gymnastics event. See, now that was a broccoli, sincerity levels.

Give me a little of that. No, he said he's never done one. Congrats. You've never done it, congrats. Excuse me, excuse me.

For somebody that's done so much to be able to have a career go as long as Mike's that you're now still doing stuff for the first time, I think it's very impressive. Thank you, Rich. You're welcome.

Secondly, I think, no. I think what the guys are telling you is you need to refresh your Instagram game. Oh, no, no, no, no.

Because it's the same thing where you're, it's like a mad lib, fill in the blank. I'm so excited to be doing events, proper name of events. Here I am, and it's like one of those slides and you slide it next and there's a selfie of you with your big teeth and your big car. Actually, I have a selfie. My last selfie was December 31st. I've got a month and a half without a selfie.

Yeah, but there's a couple boards in there. No, he's got six weeks without a selfie. Can you hug him out? Can you hug him in the commercial? Six weeks, it goes selfie-less.

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