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Learn more at AmericanExpress.com slash Amex Business. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. I am the heel that you love. Hey, O'Shea Jackson Jr. Hey, I'm from Altoona.
What you know about me? It's T double O J I G G. Too jiggy. That's right. You know, I had to represent for Altoona because you know that the CEO killer, they found him at McDonald's in my hometown. So, you know, I got to, I got to put out, I've been trying my best to put Altoona on the mat for legitimate reasons. And now we're tied to this. So we're going to put it out there that I'm from Altoona. Yeah. So he'll drop that he won't.
But I'm just trying. He, he, he hot right now. He got heat. You know, I thought Altoona was known for me. Yeah. The Jaffa mosque and for where Jim Cornette hit a fan in the head with his tennis rack tennis. That was there. That was there back in like 90 something. I forget. I, I wasn't there in the building that day, but yeah, that's what Altoona. I wasn't there. Oh, I was about to say, well, anyway, Altoona, dude, that's a, that's wow. That's, that's just been a wild story.
I tried to tell Tom, I've been there. I tried to tell people, man, if you ain't from Altoona, they'll never come to Altoona. Right.
You wouldn't understand Altoona. Yeah. Stay the bleep out out.
I mean, he, obviously he should have, they got, they got him pretty quick. Right. No doubt.
But anyway, what's going on guys? I know my man TJ had to hold it down last week. So we want to thank you, TJ. Well, actually I want to thank you for something.
I want to thank you for being on the press junk because what that did was we had to film our show a day early. Oh, it's helped us get trick. Right. Right. Right.
The next day trick got dropped on his head. So we wouldn't have been able to, I mean, the, the press run has been going great, but yeah. I have such a weird feeling about that being part of like ridges thing, because it's like, I'm so sensitive about the big E situation, but like, of course, you know, I would. We can only assume that there's a part of him that's like, yeah, it's a little touchy, but yeah, every, I love how WWE can, you know, take a real life situation like that and see how they can use it, you know, for good. But, uh, yeah, it makes you, it makes you wince a little bit. And even when the, the new day broke up and Ridge posts on his Twitter or posts of him just looking victorious. Oh, he did that.
Oh my God. I didn't see that it was diabolical. Yeah, it was diabolical. But yeah, let's talk about the new day. We didn't get to crack that open. We weren't together when that happened.
Of course, you know, Woods in Kingston, they've been, man, they've been struggling the last few months. Right. And it looked like it all came to a head. Remember you and I said the stuff that they said to one another, I don't know if you can come back from that. Like they got real personal and it was, it was biting man. And then, so the next week, 10 year celebration, we figured one of two things were going to happen. Either those two were going to split or he would come back and they get together. Segment starts for like the first, what, five, 10 minutes, no biggie.
So we're like, okay, he's not here. Right. And then it comes pretty good. The vibes was nice. He was like, okay, we're setting this up for, okay, we're going to split. Yeah. It comes out.
I got to be honest. So I didn't love the pop. He got, I don't know what was going on that that week. Maybe it's because we've seen him a lot. It wasn't like he was completely gone from TV, but I thought the pot would be a little bit bigger, but whatever it was, what it was, it got bigger at the end of the night. I think the, the pop had to do with like that solo run that biggie went on.
Yes. You know, it stands out because you know, it was another historical time where we held a, you know, a top championship in the company. But I think as long as we've been waiting to see big E come out on, on the ramp, we were waiting for that. Oh, so we didn't get that.
We didn't need that. And I, and I think there was a little bit of just like, oh yeah, this, this is big. I kind of forgot that was his song. Yeah. So like, you know, I, I just think it was a, just that, just type of like, Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, shout out to actually no, no shout out to death rebel. Yeah. While a while lay on the track. But yeah, I think that had to do with it a little bit. And then when he came out, you know, everybody got that false bit of hope when he dropped that I'll be our manager.
Yeah. It was like, that was perfect. That was perfect. Cause it was like a, this is the answer. And then that looked at the game now. Well, what said now I went, Oh wow.
Cause we didn't see that coming. No, not the Hill run, not them kicking him out the group. Yeah.
You know, so that, that really messed a lot of people up, you know, social media went nuts, you know, as we touched on a little bit last week, but now this week comes out. Yeah. And they got even before they came out, there was some backstage interactions. A lot of wrestlers give them no daps. None. You couldn't even get a dad from Natalia of all.
She likes everybody loves everybody. They were, they were, you know, people were side item. You know, Cody came out, had some words, which is funny because you know, the history, right? Cody and woods legitimately had a high school wrestling rivalry in Georgia back in the day. So there was some real life, not animosity, but at least have that real life connection there, but they should be ashamed of themselves.
And then, you know, they come out and then they got the dirty Dom reception from the route. Like, did you ever in your life think that you would hear Kofi Kingston get booed? Never. Everybody liked Kofi, you know, like CM Punk said, you know, Jamaican me crazy. He's just a, what would a CM Punk call?
You called him just a terrible human being. Yeah, bro. And it, I love the subtleties. The new day have been so in pocket when it comes to this story that I love the subtleties that they've been doing, whether it was, you know, the anime references with Kofi dressing up as Goku and Xavier was dressing up as Goku black for, if you don't know, it's, it's an evil version of Goku. It's a long story. I'm not really into the anime like that.
So I have to go online and kind of pick up these things. Yeah. And Kofi has been wearing a necklace that has an M on it. Now that M is, is still a reference to Dragon Ball Z. There was a character by the name of Vegeta who was a good guy, but then he let a, um, this is going to get crazy, but we're talking wrestling.
Like you can disband your belief a little bit, right? This wizard takes over Vegeta's mind and Vegeta becomes a savage, just becomes evil. And he becomes margin Vegeta. And that, uh, that M is like a brand on Vegeta's forehead when he's under the spell. So he, so Kofi wearing that same M is just a subtlety to the character, not of just like the evil has taken over him. So like I never would've known that it's just, it's a slight anime reference for those who know.
And so for him to be rocking the margin M is just showing that like a character who used to be good has seen how strong they can be if they let that evil take over. Wow. Yeah. See, like I said, I'm not really an anime. I know a lot of their stuff is anime based. So I don't, it doesn't hit for me the way it hits for some people because I'm not into it.
Subtlety is like that where you're like, well, man, these dudes are in pocket and it's, it's great to see. It should be a nice, refreshing rejuvenation for them. Um, and I don't think this is the last we'll see of the big E. Well, we can hope not, you know, I, who knows what a man ever be able to wrestle again. I honestly, I don't care. And I say, I don't care because I, for him, I hope nothing, but a long life pain-free being able to move when he's an old man. So if that means he can't come back, then, you know, obviously I can't speak for him. I don't know him.
I don't know what's in his heart, but I I'm more so for him having a long life, healthy life. That's all I healthy life over entertaining me always because he's already done enough. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And you know, we, we've seen plenty situations where he can still be effective story wise or business wise without it being an entering performance. But yeah, something in me tells me that this isn't the last interaction we'll see. Who knows if we, one day we don't get biggie coming out and being like, you guys are right. And you know, just going that direction.
And then we get evil new day. Wow. Like the possibilities are there. This is what this is. They're there.
They're in their bag right now. Right. It's some S tier character. Would you say obviously bash at the beach 96? We spoke about it with Eric Bischoff. I think it's universally looked at as maybe the biggest hill turn of all time with Hulk Hogan. But I, I don't know where this would rank in terms of the creation of the NWO, but there is a list.
This is on that list of just the most shocking Hill turns that 10 years you've ever seen. And you know, when they came out to the crowd, first of all, and they were getting that nuclear heat. Yeah. They couldn't even speak. And, and what's at one point was like, it's not like we hit or I'm not sure if Kofi or Xavier said, but it was like, we not like we hit biggie with a chair or anything, but you could do the sledgehammer to his neck.
Right. But you couldn't even, you could barely hear that because the crowd was so loud and there's two different chants going against them. Biggie and new day sucks. But what if one of them would have grabbed a hold of that chant and went, yeah, we wanted biggie too. You're right. Well, they, I think that would have paused the crowd. You know what I mean? It was a situation. Also, let me just talk to Wichita a little bit, which talk ads, how you were supposed to do that is we want biggie. New day sucks.
We want, well, y'all, y'all couldn't get the rhythm. A lot of people haven't double touched in the shows, but it still worked because it just sounded like so much chaos that there was no way for them to get any words out. It reminded me of Elias and Kevin Owens. Elias and Kevin Owens one time. Oh, right.
Yeah. It was in Seattle's booze. I've ever heard when they know and said something about the SuperSonic SuperSonics and how Seattle didn't deserve a basketball team.
And then Elias charms in, but Oklahoma city. Now they deserve like, what I remember about that is they went to commercial. They came back and the crowd was even louder booing when they, you can't mess with the SuperSonics. And yeah, that by far was the worst I had ever seen. And this kind of was close to that. You know, they were, they, and you know, the, the arena adds to it. It was a smaller venue, you know, those, those intimate kind of settings really, really feed off the crowd. And yeah, it was bad. I would, I would have never guessed that they would've got that, but you know, they had to get in the backstage area and be like, yeah, we got them because you can't ask for, that was probably more than they expected. They could not have seen the revolt that was going to happen. So I'm interested now I'm all in.
I want to see where this goes. Obviously you got to, you would figure out another title run is coming soon. Especially because to the detriment of some teams who probably were ahead of them in on that list. Yeah.
And now new day, you're moving you to the top of the list. It's hard not to get them with that type of heat with that type of reaction. It's hard and it's hard to keep them off TV. And then when, when raw their tag team title situation, isn't necessarily the best anyway, you know, they, they just haven't booked it. They just, you got one half of the champs. We're concerned with the world title, which is understandable, but why is the freeboard rule not in effect for the, for the judgment day? Why can't Dom and JD or, or, you know, Carlito and JD, why can't they defend these titles? Cause when, when, when Finn held up the world heavyweight title and the tag team title, I was like, Oh yeah, he is texting champion when he came out with it. I was like, Oh yeah, like they're not going to make, it's not going to be new day versus judgment day. I don't think, cause I'm not going to go heal versus heal. Cause then, I mean like, what are we?
It's like a fatal four way or something like that. Exactly. But it obviously Finn has his eyes set on the world title, which I've always been a Finn Balor fan. And he, we all know he got the short end of that. That's because he he's a first ever universal champion first ever. And the fact that the man was able to finish that, that match against Seth Rollins with his shoulder, I forget the exact injury, but it was basically a turnbuckle bomb to the, to the side. The fact that he finished that match, won the belt and then had to give it up. Yeah.
I mean, you still, you, you do have to feel for him. I always thought the red bell was cursed. It seemed like, I was like, dude, everybody who gets that gets hurt. And it was so wild. Just like even with Roman and him having to vacate it because he got sick. I was like, we have to get rid of this red belt.
I hated it. I think it was the fiend or the fiend who was a Bray or the fiend who I think changed the belt from red to blue. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And it had the switch up, but yeah, red belt was cursed, but yeah, man. So tag team, it's looking like new days going to get that run soon. Also speaking of tag team, you got to kind of look at what DIY did, man, the whole Hill turn that nobody saw Gargano turn. I think the writing has always been on the wall with Champa. He's a much better Hill. And if you watch Champa in NXT, when man, the Hill Champa is a beast. He's a monster. He was everything back when he was Goldie.
Yes. He would hug Goldie. So we knew Champa was going to turn to the dark side, but Johnny wrestling, you know, and they won the SmackDown belts from the Motor City machine guns. And look, I'm okay with it, man. The Hill turn that another Hill turn we didn't see coming.
Let's see what DIY can do. And, you know, I think because just, just me, just being a fan, trying to fantasy book, I think the, the Motor City machine guns are so entertaining and they're so crisp and everything that they do that a part of me was like, why this early? You know, why are they losing it this early? And I think there's a chance that, you know, there's, there's a situation right now where superstars are, you know, the, the talks of them going to Ross about to go to Netflix. I think there's a chance that we see the Motor City machine guns go over to raw because like, that would be the only reason why I would think to take the title off a tag team that is just, bro, they are out of this world.
You know, unless that's who you need to go against a new Hill, new day, maybe that happens. But, you know, tag team wrestling, you know, you're not really sure where the tag team division stacks up, but right now I think it's in a good place. Yeah. Right now I definitely do.
I hate that Jimmy broke his toe. Okay. Let's, let's talk about this war games. Yeah. Did that hurt?
It might be time to maybe put that on the shelf for a little bit. This war games match, you lost three top talents and you and your biggest story, your big. So now Tonga Loa torn tricep is out.
Yeah. Jimmy also broke. It was a broken toe. Now that should be a fairly quick recovery. Ronson Reed for Ronson ran off his ankle, almost snaps off his body, which is awful for Bronson Reed because the last few months they've been building him up to be a monster and being very successful. Now he's going to miss what four or five, six months. Yeah.
I couldn't even tell you. I've never had my more because when you're carrying that much weight, he's a big man. You've got to really make sure your physical therapy has to be just incredible. But obviously they'll take care of him. But it sucks because he was on such a rise, such a high rise. Technically, like we're being real. Didn't even really fit in that match. As far as story wise, it was, you know, everyone was like, this should just be four on four.
This should just be four on four. And then Bronson gets added. And of course, Phil gets added. It's unfortunate we're having to Bronson Reed, but do you know, everybody's waiting for his return.
It's obviously going to be in a great position as well when he comes back, hopefully. And also, like, I love the visual, but maybe no more 380 pound men on 20 foot pages. Draw. I mean, you know who I blame for that edge? No, no, no. I blame Rikishi at the standard.
Right. When I was a kid, fall off that cell into the truck. That was a trust fall. Boy, because if you don't know, it was a hell in the cell match. Was it against taker, bro? It was it was a because I know taker. I didn't know where there was a one on one or something.
No, no, no, bro. This match had the rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, Kurt Angle, taker Rikishi. That's right. That's nasty.
That is a murderer's role match right there. That's crazy. And yeah, Rikishi, he had the big spot of the night. Yeah.
There was a truck filled with hay that was backed up to cage side. Yeah. So Rikishi had to on top of this cage. Yeah. Place himself perfectly.
Undertaker gives him the choke slam, but more of a just a push push. And Rikishi, if you ever seen somebody do a trust fall, it's usually with someone two feet behind them, grabbing them. Except this man dropped about 18 feet under a flatbed of a truck. Yeah. That's a lot of trust right there, though.
Boy, my bonus better be through the roof. And for I remember reading the story, I think his wife was not too happy with him. I couldn't understand it. Well, you spin if you're if you're not flat when you land, if he's just like with mankind, mankind or Mick Foley said if he would have got more lift on that choke slam through the cell. Oh, yeah. He said my rotation, bro, I would land on my neck would have been dead.
Yeah. So, I mean, shout out to you. But big fellas, you know, jumping off, jumping out the sky. Gravity, not your friend. M.I.A.
tried to tell you that gravity is my enemy. So that's a bronze degree. So my point being in that, man, just so I just don't know if it's worth it. When you look at the injuries and now how that's going to affect storylines going through, just not sure if that was really worth it. Yeah. And and a lot of people get on WWE because, you know, they they they have these slow, methodical storytelling matches and they're not doing, you know, flips and flea. Yeah. I didn't want to say why they don't get on my ass. But yeah, they're not necessarily doing their entire moveset every match.
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Learn more at American Express dot com slash Amex Business. Also, now the women's match, you know, a lot of people online had a lot of feelings about that. Again, when you have your two women's world champions on one team, you would assume that would be an automatic win.
So for the Hill team to lose that with both champions, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, that was that match was a little rough. It was it definitely had its rough spots. But then, you know, you when you got.
They had plenty of war games, veterans in there, too. First of all, shout to the EO, you know, how we feel about color trash can because we are garbage. And I think that was last year or two years ago when they finally put the rope on the trash can so she could carry it. You know, but the EO diving, you know, we're waiting for the top of the cages. Yeah.
You know, it's standard issue. Yeah. It's it's Jeff Hardy off the ladder. It has to happen. So it's happened.
I think at least I think she's been in six, four, five or. Yeah. But every time my whole thought process is catchy. Oh, yeah. Don't you don't you happy? Oh, you dropped you. And of course, you had Tiffany doing the moonsault simultaneously on the other side.
When she's going to cash in this briefcase. I know, because what better time, bro? You got two champions. How lame would that have been? What am I? You know, I for a split second, what I thought was going to happen. Break it down. She catches it in. She drags live over. She pins them both and gets both.
Oh, my. I was thinking that was going through my mind. Can she do that?
You think she could try? I wouldn't have even second guessed it. I would have been like, this is genius. Just pin both champions.
Now is now we got a women's undisputed. I think that would have been a lost opportunity. They would have told the Internet would have burnt down. You know, we have a segment that like I said, we haven't really labeled it yet, but I'd like to call it Creative Liberties, where we will give our take on storyline.
So Creative Liberty buys. That's what I think could have had that would have been nasty. Think about that. I mean, you know, twice the Tiffy is is great. You know, you got to see her on both shows.
Tiffy's a hill, but the fans kind of don't want to boo Tiffy. She gets loud pops. Yeah, because number one, she's a monster.
All right. She she does her character so well and she's got the athleticism. You believe her when you see her, you believe her. And for a large number of the fan base that the blonde hair, that's yeah, they're going to be standard. They're going to cheer that regardless.
But then when you were in a situation where you see a whether she's a healer or not, you see somebody being taken advantage of the way Nye has been. Yeah. The crowd is ready.
Like stand up for yourself. Yeah. And regardless who or not, no matter who cashes in, any time that briefcase gets exchanged for this gold belt, people are going to pop anyway. It's going to be crazy. It's going to shock the world.
So just imagine if that could have that would have been. Oh, my. Because what's she waiting for at this? What you waiting for? Mania?
What you waiting for? Oh, my God. That's a fair point.
That would have been that would have been crazy. Yeah. This is something that popped into my head. Yeah. That's why you're on the no contest wrestling. Speaking of things that I love. Yeah. There's been you know, everybody knows this.
I love Shinsuke Nakamura. Oh, man. So as he's returned the last few weeks, I got to be honest.
Part of me wasn't as happy as I should have been the first time I was like, OK, they're going to drop him out. Yeah. I see the new look and I'm like, OK, maybe. Right. But that match against LA Knight, we changed the music from Friday to Saturday.
I think the Saturday music was a little bit better. But the whole samurai Nakamura, I'm actually trying to now research and see what this character is all about. But samurai Nakamura, I am here for him. Yeah, I'm here for him because. The reception he got on social media was overwhelmingly positive of people like me who were like, you guys kind of missed the boat on this dude. Let's make it right.
And I think maybe now they might be making it right. I mean, I'm here for Shinsuke Nakamura. I love the dude. One of my favorite, if not my favorite wrestler right now.
So, of course, I went nuts. He deserves it. You know, he deserves it.
I'm pretty sure there's an LA Knight fan cussing me out. But like, bro, if you bring Shinsuke back in that capacity and with that type of character. Yeah, you can't you can't make him lose out the gate.
No, it would just be the it would be damning to everything that he's trying to build. And, you know, for those who know me know that they how I feel about. I feel like they gave Seth Rollins his whole mojo, bro. As a fan, I just feel like they gave Seth his whole mojo.
The the crazy outfits, the crowd singing my song. I'm like, bro, you know, Iowa Shinsuke. See, I don't I don't know if I ever looked at it like that because I love Seth, you know. And, you know, the can I for the fiend situation like Seth Rollins, bro.
Number one on the planet. And then because of a booking decision, people turned on set. Right. It's not his fault. They should have never had him go up against an unstoppable machine in a red cage with red lights. Like they put him in a situation where the crowd was like blaming him for the nonsense. And then, you know, you got people dissing him because his wife is a monster.
What do you want me to do? My wife's really cool. She's the champ. Right. Like. And so he was put into an unfair position and then he went into the whole Messiah thing. And now he's on to the revolutionary thing. I just always the revolutionary version of him just always gave me hints of Shinsuke.
They even feuded in the beginning, you know, because they were they had so the similarities are there. So to see this refreshing new look on Shinsuke, he looks to be in his bag. And yeah, I mean, it's fun to be a bad guy.
Yeah. Fun to be a bad guy. Another bad guy who like me personally, I don't care what he does. I ain't booing Nakamura. I'm not booing Nakamura. And I said that about Oscar a few years ago.
I don't care what she does. I never boo in Oscar. I never boo in Shinsuke. And I'll never boo Dominic Mysterio. Never in my life.
Dirty, dumb, dirty, not the 20 year vet grace of all time. You know what I mean? But yeah. So Nakamura getting the dub that that just made my heart happy. Yeah.
D.I.Y. got new tag team champions there. We got a new day. He'll turn. How do you feel about God? Like because, you know, a lot of people are nervous about Gargano heel. He's such a like he's got such a face vibe. He's such a scrappy underdog. Like, no, like if you're going to beat me, I'm going to make you remember me. Yeah.
Typeface that like people are nervous about the heel. Him and Champa put on some great battles. Wars.
Wars with each other. And if you don't know, go NXT, go to peacock before they move into Netflix and look up some of that NXT black and gold time with those two. Yeah.
It was must see TV. Obviously main roster brings, you know, main roster advantages. So we'll see what happens. Problems or problems. Yeah.
More money, more problems. But yeah, I know I know a champ, but he's got the whole Matthew McConaughey rain of fire, you know, baby Kratos vibe to him. So I know he can do it, but I'm interested to see where Johnny goes. And speaking of Champa, Champa cut one of the best promos maybe of all time. I don't know if you remember this. Remember when he was positioned with the Miz and they were together?
Yeah. OK, so there was a promo where Logan Paul and Miz were about to go at it and it was Miz, Maurice and Champa. And they were standing backstage and they started to talk and Champa just took the mic and he put Miz over greater than anyone's ever put his over. And it's another promo worth looking for.
And I should have had to date maybe next week, I will. But he basically told Logan Paul, like, this is our house and you're not invited. And the way he put Miz over, like how great Miz really is and how he doesn't get the respect he deserves. And I remember Miz just had a look on his face like he looked into the camera like, oh, yeah. So Champa on the mic, just let him go. He's nasty, man.
Yeah, absolutely. He's he's great. He's great at being a hero. His his days of being obsessed with Goldie are. That's what made me fall in love with NXT, man.
And he had a great theme. Yeah, man, I'm ready. DIY. Do it yourself. No one's going to do it for you. Like we had to do.
Yeah. You know, no one's doing it for us. We got to do it ourselves. You know, we're hitting roadblocks and things.
But we are here talking to the people we hear for, you know, contest wrestling. OK, what else we got? What else?
Well, then we got the Iron Survivor challenge that happened in then. Oh, come on. Hold on. Come on. Let me just talk about Soul Ruka for us. Please do.
Please do. Because so listen, I'm such a fan. It's crazy. You so good at what you do.
And I'm happy for you. We don't want no talent. Oh, my God. My God. She put on a show. Yeah. And it is. She's about to be shot to the moon.
You know, just the athletic ability. She's got the fans in the palm of her hands. And side note to the IWC. You sick bastards.
All right. So there was a spot the IWC. I won constantly.
Yeah, I won. I love that, T.J. This is what I'm talking about. So there was a spot that she did when she does this, you know, the handspring out and out of the ring. There was an individual on X Twitter said, I've never seen anything like that.
And of course, the hoity toity. Oh, you haven't. You didn't watch whatever the fans instead of informing took that time to just be pompous wrestling fans. There's a lot of people who don't watch every bit of wrestling. So, no, they don't know the great Sasuke. So you have to inform them, hey, let me show you.
This is where they got it from. And you can say that without being an ass, because all that does is make people want to call you an ass. OK, there has to be a sense of etiquette when you're giving people information on wrestling without you being a dick. So I just want you guys to know the best way to let everyone be involved in a in a sport that a lot of us get bagged on for watching anyway. You got to be more inviting.
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They do reflect T.J.'s as well. I'm all for him. Yeah. You know, like we like I try to do every every week, I try to at least let people know about a match that they should go look at.
You know, just try to inform. I'm older. So I've watched a lot more wrestling than someone who say just started watching wrestling in the 2000s.
Right. So my goal, like you said, we all get crapped on so much for watching wrestling. You know how many friendships of mine have started just by someone going, hey, I heard you like wrestling. And my first instinct is, yeah, yeah. Me, too. I was like, all right, bet. We're friends. Yeah. So, yeah, you know, like and that's my thing.
And that's why we want to do this pod, inform people like, you know, this is things you should be watching. You know, Stone Cold was here a few years ago. I was interviewing in the green room for the Rich Eisen show and randomly he goes, hey, you ever watch this Terry Funk versus Harley Race match from 77? And I went home that night and it was one of these, you know, 40 minute like technical wrestling matches.
And I was like, Stone Cold put me on in this match. So, yeah, man, that's that's all we really want to do is it's like someone's done something you haven't seen. Yeah.
Just let them know. Oh, by the way. Yeah. Let me know what I got. So watch this. It's like it's like in music when you hear a rap song and you don't you don't recognize that it's a sample from another song. Show me the song.
Don't get on my head because I don't know the Gap Band. Like, you know, like let me know what's good. Right. You know, and we already got to, you know, we're well past it now, but it was a time you had to talk about wrestling and anime like it was prohibition.
Right. You watch, you watch, you down, you cool. So like, man, don't don't don't you don't have to be it should be no example of a pompous wrestling fan.
You got to like like treat me or anyone like they're beneath you because I didn't see something on Japan from the whenever the hell like inform, man. That's what it's all about. One band, one sound. It's just a bunch of nerds.
It'd be nice. It's like when people get mad at other people because they start to like a band. They're like, oh, I used to like them back then. Well, that's cool. We were heading there.
I found him now, but now I like him. So hook me up. Tell me what I should be listening to from game on. You know, I'm saying don't put me on shame.
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Listen at checkout. So back to the Iron Survivor. Julia, what is that thing? Yeah, that's almost a Julia. Yeah. My God. I mean, she's a star. Yeah. She also could sing.
We'll talk about that later. But it's my boy who will one day be sitting here on this set. Enzo Amore used to say, I'm a star.
I take meteor showers. That's what Julie is. She's a star. And so I feel like Roxanne's time with this title is probably saying to those as my brother who's on my bar. Fight team carries carrying cross would say tick tock. Tick tock.
Yeah, those sands are starting to drop. Enjoy is going to get that title soon. Absolutely. And I also want to point out that Stephanie didn't get pinned. She didn't get she was the only one to not get pinned. I think she was the only one on maybe the men.
I don't know anyone in the men's match. Oh, but not get pinned. I can't. I got to rewatch. I mean, I mean, he. No. Anyway. Oh, but for me.
Oh, but for me, the dog. Yeah. Came out of nowhere. Wasn't scheduled to be in the match. Eddie Thorpe got jumped. Whoever did that is going to pay for whoever jumped Eddie Thorpe.
Yeah. And over family gets put into the match. He wins. He's Iron Survivor champion now.
He goes on, as we saw yesterday at NXT. He's now challenging our boy Trick Willie, which is just insane. Which is amazing because Trick put Oba on his bar fight crews, the first person he mentioned. And now we're watching these two, you know, face off.
And, and Oba basically told Trick, look, the only reason there was a whoop that trick era is because I allowed it. Yeah. And I knew when I was ready, I would take that.
And it was like, Oh, chill, bro. I don't like BnB crime. I don't necessarily love that.
But here ain't enough of us to February too close to be doing this. Y'all trick. I think it's, I think trick's time to, you know, move on up.
Like George Jefferson said is here. I don't think it's probably a shock. He's probably going to be dropping this NXT title to Oba. And trick's going to be packing his bags and moving on up to the main roster.
I think that's pretty obvious. Yeah. I mean, trick has the presence. He has the, the, the crowd. We spoke about it last week, but for him to even get those chance on the main roster for that little spot that he did, people know. Yeah.
Like people know of him. And you know, sometimes, you know, you and I, we watch NXT, but these kids get called up. It seems like a lot of these main roster fans never watch the next day and don't know who these people are. So you're right for him to get that type of reaction says something.
Yeah. Because when there was a time just like after a mania, when Vince was still running the show, where Champa Gargano and Alistair all got called up immediately and it was like all three at the same time. Like it just didn't feel good and they didn't get the pop. They kind of were just like introduced in the ring type situation. And I remember as an NXT fan, I was like, that's not, that's not how we should have did this. And then cuts started happening and I lost Alistair. And I was like, dude, like we had, man, I even lost Tony. Really?
Tony storm. Yeah. You know, so like, yeah, there's, um, NXT is definitely coming to his own now. It's on, uh, uh, CW, CW.
So it's more accessible and you know, they are becoming a little bit more household. Um, I think it's the best. I don't even want to call it a farming system.
Cause you on TV. Yeah. I hate to call it that. I hate to call it developmental. Like they're on TV.
Yeah. It's not like, you know, we're, we're doing test runs. Like we're testing you on, on the field, like, you know, and that's why I feel for trick. Now's the time, you know, like you can only get so good there.
You got to move up to the main roster and start working with, you know, now the more established talent, which is only going to make him better. So yeah, I think tricks time in NXT is probably coming. And it should be rightfully so. Yeah, it should be. He's deserved. He deserves it.
But let me touch back on, uh, Oh, Oh my God. Well, because he's troublemaker Thor actually kind of brilliant. Eddie Thorpe got attacked before the iron survivor challenge. So he wasn't able to participate. And because he complained to the management shots, they rewarded him with a title match, which is fair, which is fair. You didn't get your up. Somebody took you out. Yeah.
Fair, fair. But what we found out was Eddie Thorpe didn't actually get jumped. Yeah. He made it seem like he got jumped so he could avoid going through 25 minutes of hell. And he got myself a championship match. So you know what, Eddie?
You know that roll safe meme where the dude is like, you know, you don't have to go through a 25 minute iron survivor challenge if you're not in the match. And, you know, obviously it's a genius move, obviously great storyteller and all that, because they had me sentimental for this dude just a couple of weeks ago, right? Because I was like, no, it was an accident. He didn't even really do that. And so you're thinking like this poor dude is about to get his ass whooped by the entire bloodline because he may or may not have knocked Ava down to the ground. So I'm like, man, you had a rock about to come and just, you know, leave a bull across this dude. But then you realize, no, you're shady.
I don't feel bad for you at all. They all show up. Right. And so, yeah, it's a genius move, but obviously doing that now you've ruined it for everybody because there's going to be a rule implemented. Well, especially the NXT, somebody, I mean, the worst place to find yourself in NXT is in the parking lot. Yeah. More people have gotten their asses kicked in the NXT parking lot than an NXT ring. Yeah. So now it's like you don't get jumped in the parking lot per usual.
And no one's going to believe. NXT parking lot is the most dangerous place to rest. It's like the old block. So that happens. Shout out to Eddie. Genius move. Genius. It was diabolical. It was dastardly. It was heelish. But you know what worked in your favor.
So good on you. But I mean, if you don't win. Yeah. The problem is you either got to fight Trick or Oba where you're going to fight Trick, obviously. But if you don't win that, let me tell you, there will be repercussions. Well, is that the plan though? Think about that.
You don't want to go face to face. Oba, Trick, maybe Eddie hits the win and then Oba takes it off him. Yeah. Okay. That could be. Maybe you don't want to have Oba and Trick go at it. That's going to divide the crowd. Right. I don't know what to do then.
Whoop that Trick. But regardless, man, I'm excited to see where they where they take this. Absolutely. It's going to be a genius move, though. But I do feel like there's going to be repercussions.
Oh, absolutely. She don't. She don't play. And she don't like getting played, you know, played for sure. So you might get your title shot, but you don't have to you don't have to say sorry.
You're going to pay the piper. And then, you know, we had the underground fight between two of our favorites, Jada and Lola. I didn't like this match. I don't want to see these two fight.
Come on, ladies, ladies, ladies, please. I like to see them in the ring together, but I don't like to see them fight. But of course, you know, Lola got the win. Put Jada to sleep like that's her. That's her department. Yeah. Once I once they let her go over Shana Bazier in that match last year or earlier in the year, it was like, all right, you beat Shana in this form. This is now yours. Yeah.
So it would have been hard to see her. Yeah, it was it was Undertaker in a casket match. Like, you were like, I'm not about to lose this right now. So, yeah, I feel that I do. I love their work. Jada, Jada, Jada, Jada, Miss Parker, Miss Parker, Miss Parker. She's one of the realest on the mic.
She's one of the realest on the mic. I'm going to be fine. Yeah, because here's the deal.
We're trying to be professional professional in business. And I and I can't if I continue down this path. Sorry. Talking about Jada, Lola and Julia and Stephanie, you know. And so, yeah. So wrestling, wrestling, wrestling. Let's move on. They're very dangerous one.
They're extremely talented performers in that ring. And yeah. And there's a home for you here. Please, please go get interview. Now, what else? What else has gone down? This is going down, man. Let's see. We got where you see, you know, the Death Riders moxie tried to kill Orange Cassidy by making them drink some cleaner. If you would have went down, cameraman, you should.
You need to go to jail. I could. I just can't imagine. I just can't imagine just sitting there watching someone get poison. Oh, wow.
He's really dying. So thank you. Thank goodness for FTR. You know, we were still seeing where this man never thought I'd say that. But yeah, man, I didn't want to see orange guy on national TV.
It's my guy. And, you know, there's a lot going on over there. That's that that's happening injury wise.
You know, there's obviously the Ray Phoenix talks. The I really am excited to see what happens with Pinta. But it's some trouble. It's some trouble going on over there. We'll see. We'll see how that falls out. But for now, the best thing over there is the hurt syndicate.
And it's worth man. Yeah. Shelton Benjamin's putting in work right now kicking everybody.
Everybody, you know, and on this side of show. But the super kick is I just want to bring up the young bucks real quick. You know, people used to just crap on the young bucks because they super kick people 12 times. Well, the thing is, the young bucks are smaller.
Yeah. And I never understood why this. You're smaller, so you obviously are not going to have the power behind the kick that a 240 pounder is going to have. So of course, it makes sense for them to super kick people multiple times. So what is the point when Shelton Benjamin super kicks you?
He puts you out. That's because that's 260 pounds of pure muscle. Yeah. Right. And it's more of a thrust. Yeah.
You know that I can never understand why people couldn't get why the young bucks would super kick people so much because I mean, I think you have to. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's just it's just something that was on my mind. It's a way.
That's definitely the kayfabe way of selling. I love that you did that. Right. Thank you.
That's very, very well done. Well, I just think people don't like the box. You know, it's unfair. It's unfair.
I and we can talk more about this because I think it's about that time. But for me, I respect what the young bucks have done as an indie traveling that circuit, putting in the work. You know, I always respect people who do something that I love and I love wrestling. So I'm always going to respect someone who had the testicular fortitude to go out and do it. So, yo, man, I get props to him, man. Like, that's just me. You know, Conda forever.
Big old, big old hug. Well, I think we did a pretty good job getting everyone caught up over the last two weeks. Something I wanted to bring up because we've done the bar question to ourselves, you know.
But somebody who I'm honestly they might they might come up down the road. The more we ask people this, especially those who are of the ECW variety. I'm surprised New Jack hasn't been mentioned in these bar fights. Yeah, because he's gone. Yeah.
Well, yeah, that's true. But like, you see, he has in like the comment section. Yeah.
OK. I've seen him a few times. But yeah, I mean, I think we do kind of ask people like now. Current or I know, you know, there's it's not like we've had this long guest list yet. We're still really new.
Yeah, this is episode 11. I'm waiting to hear the first person to mention New Jack, you know, because even though he's passed, Mark Henry said Sean O'Hare. So, you know, but yeah, just that guy. That guy has some stories on him.
Also, we haven't really had anybody who worked with him. Yeah, that ECW variety. The day we get the Rob Van Damme's and the you know, the Sandman Tommy Dreamers and the bullies. Yeah, I'm sure we'll start to hear we got a bully.
I can get us bully for sure. You sure? A hundred percent.
That's my dog. We won't run in any roadblocks. Getting no roadblocks is a good game.
My daughter be playing that. Yes, that was good. Shout out. Great.
Well, I think that brings us to the end of episode 11. A little chill one for you show one, you know, because because my man, you know, he's a movie star doing movie star things. So, you know, he's going to be in and out for the next couple of weeks. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be traveling when we get Jerry Butler on the show. Honestly, bro, I've been talking to him about wrestling because he, you know, during a lot of the interviews that I've been doing for Gene of Thieves to Pantera in theaters January 10th.
See it right there. A lot of the interviews I've been doing, a couple of people have been asking me about no contest. Yeah, I had a guy asked me. He said, you know, we see you on no contest. You guys asked about they asked about the bar fight question. And he asked me for characters that I will want to do a heist with to form. Oh, OK. Yeah. Let's talk about this. Who were what four characters would you like? I said I said I wanted I want a big Nick from the thieves to Pantera in theaters January 10th. I played by Gerard Butler, but he says Jared. Jared Butler.
That's because they. Anyway, he's Scottish. I said I wanted Brian Paul Walker's character in Fast and Furious.
We need to get away cars. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to talk about it. Talk about it. And then I forget what I said for the third one.
I think I forget it was somebody like I needed a tank, so I don't know if it was a rock or whoever. But the last person I said I was very happy with John Wick. I got whatever you want is going to get done. I'm out, boy.
We're getting out of here. Get now. Just send him. Yeah, I'll just do that.
Here's what you got to do. Make sure someone in there did something to his dog and his girl. Yeah. By the time you walk into the bar, you know, they hate dogs up in here. I mean, I'll be 47.
I'm already laid out. Yeah. Take out three of them. Exactly, dude.
James Bond would have been a good one, too. But I got a wick. You got a wick. I think you're good.
Yeah, I'm sorry with that. I get to do a wrestling podcast with a bonafide nephro baby movie star, man. Oh, nephro babies. That baby is quite a life I suggested for you. Because how dare your father work hard and be successful and try to provide the best for you. Was you a provider of your family, O'Shea senior? How dare you? How dare you work hard writing rhymes so that this man and I could have a wrestling podcast.
I love I love the nephro baby talk because it's like, shut up. You were rich. All right. But yeah, dude, we everybody make sure you go see dinner thieves to Pantera. It's out January 10th.
Support your guy. I don't know. It's still up in the air here.
It might be there's talks about it being in New York, which I'm not really a fan of because I just beat them in the World Series and Major League Soccer. You might not be safe. But yeah, I will be in and out a little bit, but I will make sure that I have time block to be to join my man TJ for the interviews.
It's only for a little bit of time. As you guys know, this is my passion project with my man TJ. I got the other job and I might be away. Sometimes you guys are going to get cool shots of set. I'll make sure I send you guys some behind the scenes and I might even make a celebrity join in to help with an interview.
You never know with the no contest wrestling podcast. But either way, I thank every single one of you for being here with us. Tell your friends, tell your family, tell your girlfriend, tell your mama. All right. We did and Lola, most importantly, tell Jayden. Right. Right. Yeah.
Sold to just tell him I said hi. And remember, you always catch us on Twitter. Yeah. There's no contest Instagram, no contest wrestling podcast. And you find all the video clips on the rich guys and show YouTube page. We're almost a million strong on that page. And people want us to do our own page. But I'm like, I don't want to start from zero when we got almost a million people who were able to watch these clips. So, yeah, check us out and all of those spots.
Yes. So we'll see you guys next Wednesday. This is the no contest wrestling podcast. We see somebody tell me you love them.
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