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I have no speech. Who fires a general manager in between weeks 11 and 12? Like fans are gonna be happy to see that head on a pike. Honestly. The Rich Eisen Show with guest host Mike Hill. Earlier on the show, senior columnist for The Athletic, Jason Lloyd. Fox Sports college football insider Bruce Feldman. Coming up, comedian Tony Rock.
And now sitting in for Rich, it's Mike Hill. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're far too kind. Hanging out with my crew, my peoples.
I love them to death, man. Like I said, I love being here with you guys on the Rich Eisen Show. Mike Hill hanging out for the great Rich Eisen at the Granger desk. Brockman's in the house.
They're two folks in the house. TJ's in the house. I'm here too as well.
We're gonna get to my most disappointing teams in the NFL very, very, very shortly, man. Real quickly though, Juan Soto. Juan Soto, let you know right now. I heard you guys talking about it at the end of yesterday's show.
Yeah, he was meeting with the Dodgers yesterday. Get your money. Understand that. You're gonna get 600, 700 million dollars. I get that. Make all the money you can, bro.
Let you know right now. I appreciate you as a Yankee fan for doing what you did. One of the top seasons ever in Yankee history. Great one-two combination with Aaron Judge.
You're finishing the top three this year in the MVP voting. Juan Soto, thank you from the bottom of my heart. But I know you're not coming back to the Yankees. I know you're not. But Juan Soto, if you go to the Dodgers or if you go to the Boston Red Sox, I'm forever done with you.
Pay that man his money. I'm forever done with you. I don't care how much money you're making, Juan Soto. You can slide on out of here. Slide on up out of New York. You ain't welcome back in the Bronx no more. Now, if you want to come on back, I love you today. I'm sorry. We love you today.
Don't get me wrong. We're gonna get it done. You and Aaron Judge gonna finally get it done.
We're gonna add some additions and stuff like that. Maybe get a little discount. I know you're a mercenary.
You want to get that money. But if you go to the Dodgers, the team that just beat the Yankees in the World Series, still, that's still a rivalry to me as a Yankee fan. And if you go to the Red Sox, ooh, I don't even want to hear your name again ever, ever again. You can go to the Mets. You can go to the Mets. Let's go. Because you go to the Mets, we're gonna get Pete Alonzo. Stop it. We're gonna get Pete Alonzo.
How you figure? We're gonna get Pete. Because we got the money. You ain't got more money than Cousin Stevie. No, we're gonna get Pete Alonzo. If y'all take Soto, we're gonna get Alonzo. If y'all take Soto, we're gonna get Alonzo. We need him for his basement.
Do you know Steve Cohen's net worth? Yeah, I know. And the bees?
I'm looking after my mattress keys. Even if Soto can go to the Mets, it ain't gonna matter. It's not gonna matter. Hey, y'all had a great roster two years ago. Then y'all have like an all MLB roster a couple of years ago. What y'all do with it?
What y'all do with it? We were supposed to be a last place team this season. No, not this season. I'm not even going into the season old stuff.
Talk about the present. I'm talking about a couple seasons ago. A couple of seasons ago. This is when y'all had the great pitchers and all that. Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
How did that work out for you? Listen, once again, go back to ownership. Sometimes it's about a culture, man. Sometimes you're just perennial losers. No matter what you bring in, what kind of players you bring in.
That's why it's important. Once again, that's why it's important no matter how great a talent is like a Caleb Williams. Great talents can be destroyed going to the wrong situation, going to the wrong coaching staff, going to the wrong organization. How many times have you seen, like even the Jets these days.
Jets can have a good, you know, they fired the general manager yesterday, fired the head coach, whatever. Being Aaron Rodgers doesn't make a difference because the culture is not good there. How many times have we seen guys who would thought we were a bus with the Jets going to have better seasons somewhere else?
We've seen that a lot of times because of the culture. Sometimes you just put in the wrong situation. So sometimes I think we give up on players too often, especially quarterbacks, especially rookie quarterbacks. I'm glad some of y'all don't throw your kids away quicker than you throw your NFL quarterbacks away.
You really do. You just see there's no patience for rookie quarterbacks in the league. Everybody's not going to have a CJ Stroud type season last year. And by the way, CJ Stroud is kind of regressing this year and his sophomore year. I mean, the Texans are struggling a little bit. I mean, they won the other night, but CJ Stroud is not having the season he had last year. Sometimes it takes time. Before we crown them, give me some time with them.
Before we throw away, give me some time with them. I want to see Bryce Young in a different situation. I just want to see it. He's starting to, you know, he sat down sometimes and sometimes you got to be in a situation where you actually sit behind a veteran quarterback, veteran leadership, that's going to teach you, that's going to help you along the way with a good head coach or a good offense coordinator so you can learn. That's why I keep saying, I said it on the show, Michael Pennix, when he finally gets his opportunity, Michael Penn is going to be the best quarterback drafted in this year's draft. He saw it last week with Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson sat out, sat out for a couple games, watched Joe Flacco, you know, struggled, but you know, he kind of reset a little bit, had his best game of his career, beating the Jets last week. Bo Nick sat. Looking good. Your guy sat. What's he doing? Looks great.
Looks great. Sometimes you just got to sit down and understand there's something, there's nothing wrong with being benched. There's, there's benching and giving up on somebody, right? I think the Carolina Panthers kind of gave up on Bryce and if it wasn't for the injury. Danny Dalton got a car accident. Danny Dalton quarterback, car accident. Might not have seen Bryce Young back playing football this year with the Carolina Panthers.
You know what I'm saying? So sometimes he had to sit to understand and you have to have the right mindset. That's why I like Bryce because he's a smart guy, right mindset. It might not be a bad idea for the Bears, even though he was the number one pick in the draft and high expectations this year to sit Caleb for just a little while. Just sit him. I know you're still in the mix, but you're in a tough division.
You're not going to the playoffs this year, right? Sit him for a second. Just let him just understand the speed of the game. I think in that situation though, it's a little bit different.
It's one thing to sit. If they had Andy Dalton, well, they had him, they still have him or Joe Flacco or something, but a Beijing's only a year or two older than him. But Beijing was a good quarterback. Beijing wasn't a bad quarterback. Beijing, I think Beijing going somewhere in the right situation would be a serviceable quarterback. Beijing had success last year with the Chicago Bears. Beijing got that mindset. He got the confidence. He got the swagger. He's a good quarterback.
He can learn something from Beijing. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Like Patrick Mahomes learned from Alan Smith, sat, sit down, man. Sometimes we just throw these guys in the mix. And the reason we throw them in the mix is because, well, and they are rookie salaries. So it's not. That's why too, it's accelerated the pressure to succeed because you have this tight window to build around him.
Just look at San Francisco. I mean, they got Brock Purdy on the greatest deal ever, but that's up after this year. They're going to have to pay him big bucks. Are they going to pay him big bucks? Does he deserve the big bucks?
I'm just, I don't know. That's still up in the air, but when it comes to Kayla Williams now, like they changed offensive coordinators. They're probably going to get rid of their coach next year or whatever. So they got new head coordinator in the Thomas Brown, who's a very well respected offensive coordinator. And even though they lost their fourth in a row, here's what Kayla had to say about his new offensive coordinator, Thomas Brown. We didn't reinvent the wheel for those three or four days that, you know, Thomas became you know, the office coordinator and play caller.
We just, I think the decisiveness, I think all of that came from one, our meetings and how we're going to do things. I think it came from being able to get play calls in faster and being able to get up there and not feel like you're rushed or not feel like, you know, you need to hurry up and get the ball snap. No, they didn't simplify the offense.
I think it's still the same. And the Bears looked a little bit better. I mean, you know, they looked a little bit better. They were a block field goal away from actually, you know, internet streak, you know, but it didn't happen. Bears haven't scored more than 19 points in the last four games on this losing streak.
That's why they wanted more disappointing teams in the National Football League this year, which brings me to my top five disappointing teams in the National Football League this year, not just because of records, but because of the expectations. Oh, look at that. One, two, three, four, five mics. That's how you look under this sweater to me. I don't know. I know that.
I got about four hours and two of them. You know, anyway, at number five, the San Francisco 49ers disappointed season injuries have taken a toll. Obviously, once again, it's brought Purdy, the guy brought Purdy's a serviceable quarterback, but Purdy is not a great or iconic quarterback brought. Purdy needs people around him to be a really good quarterback. The IU contract situation early in the season may have heard him and now he's out for the season. Just got McCaffrey back.
But is it too little too late? And once again, the last time I was on the show, I told you, I said McCaffrey doesn't come back and he's effective. San Francisco 49ers were not going to meet the playoffs this year, and they have a very hard schedule to end the season. Once again, the San Francisco 49ers have not beaten a team this year, even though they won five games over 500. Their wins against the Jets, the Pats, the Seahawks, the Cowboys and the Bucks, and they just lost to the Seahawks the other day. So at number five, the San Francisco 49ers, my fifth most disappointing team in the NFL this year. At number four, the Chicago Bears.
Four and six on the season. Expectations super high. You draft Kayla Williams, you get Rome Medunze, you get playmakers, you get Keenan Allen to come in there. You think of the offense is going to take that next step. You think the way they finished the season last year with guys like Bajan in there at quarterback made a run at the end of the season. You think this is the season.
Hard knocks is there. Everybody's hyped up for the Chicago Bears team. You got a phenomenal defense. They're still playing great. You still got a top 10 defense in the National Football League, seventh and scoring wise, but you're just four and six on the season because you can't get it together. And Kayla Williams isn't having the season that you thought he was going to have. Once again, we talked about them firing their offensive coordinator, Shane Waldron bringing in Thomas Brown. We'll see how they end the season, but they've lost four in a row after a promising for it to start. So because the expectations were so high with Chicago Bears, they are my fourth most disappointing team in the National Football League so far this season. Number three, the M E S S mess, mess, mess, only number three, only number three. Wow.
Because they are the M E S S mess, mess, mess. I'm not disappointed because they're always disappointing. All right. You had some expectations, but you were relying on a 40 some year old quarterback to come back off an Achilles injury. I've torn my Achilles twice. I don't play in the National Football League.
Really? But it's hard to just walk coming back, man. I'm still having issues. And the last time I tore my Achilles was 11 years ago.
I still have issues. So you expect the man who's a little mobile back in the day and Aaron Rogers MVP three, four years ago. Don't get me wrong. So he still has some game, but you put everything, you bank everything on this guy. Aaron Rogers. Just like if you talk about LeBron James and what he, the power he has when it comes to the Lakers and other teams, the same blame goes to Aaron Rogers for what he brought in.
We get the Vontae Adams. They fired a head coach. Now they fired the general manager. They demote Hackett, his offensive coordinator. Aaron Rogers is not playing for the New York Jets after the season.
And then the animal CD comes out. Great article in athletics. Woody Johnson, once again, tried to bench Aaron Johnson at the four games. That's crazy. What?
What? Then you fire your head coach and you've gone with one and five since then. It's not him. It's not the head coach. Once again, the organization, Woody Johnson, the Jets. And the only reason they're at number three is because my expectations weren't that high in the beginning.
Not that high. And a lot of people had them in the Super Bowl. A lot, but that's just nostalgia. Who are these people? Who are these people?
Who are these people? Peter, Peter Schrager. Yeah. Peter Schrager had them in the Super Bowl? Come on, Pete. Come on, man.
Everybody has a cold take every now and then. But yeah, the Jets at number three. At number two, the Dallas Cowboys.
How about them Cowboys? This brings me a lot of joy. A lot of glee. A tell-hater.
It is, it is. I'm a hater. But I'm an admitted hater. How about them Cowboys? I just want to tell you, I'm an admitted hater, TJ.
You know why? And it's not just because Stephen A. Smith and Oliver. It is part of the fans, man. Y'all just make it hard to like the Cowboys.
You make it so hard to like the Cowboys. Full disclosure, these fans, he's speaking about it or his brother and his cousin. That sounds like a family matter to me. That's personal.
That's family issue. Ain't got nothing to do with me. TJ, you're one of the good ones. I'm not talking about TJ.
TJ doesn't count. He's one of the good ones. Wait a second.
Now, what does that mean? You're one of the good ones, CJ. But three and seven, you pay deck, you pay CD, and you still ain't getting anything done on offense. You got no running game. You can't stop the run. Your offense, your defense can't stop a cold right now.
Your defense, you got Michael, but now I understand you have some injuries, some Michael Parsons, the Marcus Lawrence. I get that. All right. But still, you did not address what was the issue at the end of last season. Nothing didn't do nothing.
Nothing. What did you do in the off season to address the fact that you got a horse, you got to play in front. If you have an offense that plays in front of the Dallas Cowboys, your defense is made to get out to the quarterback. Your defense is made to rush the quarterback. And why do you rush the quarterback? Because they got to pass the ball. And why would they pass the ball? Because the team is behind.
Well, you haven't been behind. Yeah, we got a defense meant for a lead. You have a defense meant to go after the quarterback when they're behind because they're passing the football. If you got strong running games, which teams have known like, we're going to run against this light-ass defense. Y'all lighten their ass. That's what they say. That's what they say.
Lighten their ass, right? So they can run against that defense. And that's what they've been doing. Green Bay showed you the blueprint last year. And then how bad are you at home this year, bro? You have not won a home game this year. You used to dominate teams at home before the loss against Green Bay. You dominated teams at home.
Think it was 16 in a row, 16 to 1 or whatnot. And then you lose Green Bay and you have not won a home game this year. And oh, by the way, you have not just lost every home game.
You've gotten blown out and been behind by at least 20 points in every one of your home games this year. And you're blaming curtains. You're blaming the sun. Drapes.
You're blaming drapes. Come on, man. Dallas Cowboys, number two on that list. But my number one disappointing team in the National Football League so far this year, the Cincinnati Bengals. Cincinnati Bengals, four and seven on the season. I know Bengals last year, you know, it went great, but you got Joe Burrow back.
He was healthy. You got one of the best receivers in the National Football League. You got an offense.
That's potent. You got a man right there and Joe Burrow, who right now, if this team was 74, he'd be the front runner for the MVP. Having an outstanding season. I know Lamar Jackson is up there right now, but since then, that offense is not the problem.
The defense has been issued. There has been an issue, but out of the four wins, guess who you beating? You beating the Panthers. You beating the Giants, the Browns and the Raiders. Four teams that got a combined nine wins this season.
So the Cincinnati Bengals, you deserve to be the most disappointing team in the National Football League. Thank you, George. You want one more? I got an honorable mention for you.
The four and six Miami Dolphins. Disappointed. Honorable mention.
That's one outside the top five. I understand too. I understand too. I get that. Hey, injuries happen in the National Football League, right?
True that. Do injuries happen in the National Football League? Yep. All right. Quarterbacks get injured all the time.
A hamstring ended my season. That's why. Was there expectations for the Dolphins this year? True. Yes. Right?
Tour, you paid tour, whatnot. Two years ago, you was wondering if tour could be a starting quarterback in the National Football League. Now you see how valuable he is. But one thing about the NFL and what every team needs to have, you got to have a serviceable backup. And because the Dolphins did not have a serviceable backup, they can't win. They got this fast team.
He'll have in the worst season of his career, going back to his rookie season. You got weapons all around and you're just four and six on the season. So that's why I put the Dolphins on the outside looking in as the sixth most disappointing team in the National Football League. So a recap, five in San Francisco, four Chicago Bears, three to New York Jets, two to Dallas Cowboys, one to Cincinnati Bengals. There you go.
What do you think? I like it. I would have the Jets first. You would have the Jets first? Yeah.
Just because of Ann Rogers and all the hype that was around them. Sure. The thing about the Bengals is that Joe Burrow is playing elite. Yeah.
He's not getting a lot of help around him, especially on defense. I mean, but still four and seven. The record is what it is.
True. And so overall, that's the team. I don't think anyone had the Bengals in the Super Bowl, though. I mean, well, Bengals, you know, they were, I mean, because Joe Burrow was coming back.
I think because of Joe Burrow. And then, like I said, the expectations for me, for the Jets, because the Jets got the longest playoff drought of any team in the National Football League. Sports, right? But 15 years? It's been 15 years. And once again, you're relying on a 40-year-old quarterback coming back from an Achilles injury to get the job done.
Reasonable people could have seen what was coming. Yeah. So that's why I'm saying my disappointment level isn't as high because I ain't expecting none of the damn Jets. It's the Jets.
True. It's the Jets. I got a guy that's coming in. He's from New York, but he's not a Jets fan. He's a Steelers fan.
Okay. Very funny comedian. One of my good friends here in the LA area is going to join me. Coming up next, Tony Rock is on the show.
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Terms and conditions apply. What's great about these, you know, we do a lot of NFL, NBA shows on Family Feud for celebrity. Right. It's great, man, when regular people discover that celebrities don't know nothing. They don't. You think because a person is famous, they know more. They actually know less. They know less than anybody else because they're exposed to less. Rich people don't know how much milk costs. You get out of touch, man. And when they come on Celebrity Family Feud, you find out how out of touch they are.
They don't know anything, man. Like one of the questions for the NFL team was, and we were asking a guy running back for the Packers. I can't think of his name, but the question was complete the sentence, strip and use, you know, like strip mall strips, strip poker, strip sack, strip sack. I said name, complete the word strip.
He said per strip per. I went, hold on, man. I quit breathing.
How is that your point of reference to complete the word strip per. That was it. I was done. That was one of my great moments.
And again, you just walk away and you just, you realize that in the moment, like, okay, this is it. And I'm going to let this thing go. He asked me, he said, Steve, is there any way we can edit that out? I said, sir, we're not editing that out. Matter of fact, we're going to embellish it. You're going to say per so loud.
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Call clickgrainger.com or just stop by. Anyway, I still look good with the glasses on, don't you think? I look good with the glasses on. Y'all ain't answering the damn question. Give me some love. Tony Ross is going to give me some love. That's my guy. Hilarious guy. One of my good friends out here, man. First of all, I appreciate you brother.
I really do. Well, I hope you know the esteem that I hold you in because I know I need a haircut and a shave, but you called and I'm like, I'll be on TV looking like this for Mike Hill. No, you look good, man.
You look good. Look at this, man. I'm all messed up. I've been rocking with you for a long time, man. Long before I even came out to LA. And then when I came to LA, I was, I was like, happy that you knew who I was, bro.
I'm a big, super, super incredible sports fan. I remember you did a bit on stage one time when I was in the audience and you was talking about how you was watching me one time with, you know, you was with somebody. I was with somebody. You were in the mix or something like that.
And you was watching and he was like, nah, nah, nah. It was pretty funny back then. You're a big sports fan though, man. Most comedians I know are huge sports fans.
Yeah. Most comedians had aspirations to play some type of sport on some level. Did you?
I did. I played everything I played because I have older brothers. So my one brother played baseball. I just played baseball to just be able to hang out with him. My other older brother played basketball. I played basketball to be able to hang out with him and another brother played semi-pro football. I played football to be able to hang out with him.
Okay. So I just wanted to be down with my brothers so bad that I was like, whatever they're into, I'm going to be into comedy. Were you good? I was good at sports.
I'm very good. I was a super, I was a super short stop. Oh, a super short stop.
What is a super short stopping to you? I was just very good for my age. Okay. My mother has a picture.
I wish I could find it. We played little league football and my mother has a picture of myself and my brother, Chris standing in the kitchen and he's holding a championship trophy from little league. Okay. And I'm holding the second place team for my division in little league. Okay.
And we both won like that summer. So like on the show, everybody hates Chris. Yes.
Remember they hate his little brother. I'm Drew. Yeah. You're Drew. And Drew was always better at sports and everything else. Was that true?
That's very true. You see it, man. You see it.
I love it, man. And so you're a Steelers fan. Yes. Because when I played little league football, we wore black and yellow.
Okay. And I thought that was a farm system for the Steelers. I thought you play here and then they come and get you and take you to the Steelers.
I'm just waiting around like, mom, when they come to get me, make sure that you let me know that I'm here when the Steelers come to get me. So what years were there? What era was that when you was on the late steel curtain? I remember like some of the guys, I remember Terry Bradshaw and wow.
And we're going back there. Yeah. I remember my guy, when I played, when we used to play it, I would always like throw around, you know, you say you're somebody like I'm making a catch. I would always quarterback and say, Hey, I'm Bubby Brister. I would literally be in the street like, yo, I'm Bubby Brister.
And all my friends are like, who the hell is Bubby Brister? He's the starting quarterback for the Steelers. Yeah. I remember that back in the day. So the Steelers having a good season this year.
Very good season. Yeah. Yes. Do you, do you joke around with other comedians about, you know, your team, you guys, are you in fantasy league and everything like that?
No, I don't. I'm such a Steelers fan. I don't play fantasy because I would pick the Steelers defense. I would pick Russell Wilson. I would pick George Pickens.
I would pick, I only care about my team. Okay. So I don't play fantasy. And so you're happy with Russell Wilson and what he's been able to bring to the scene. Very happy. 4-0.
4-0. And you look at the Ravens out there. You also look at other teams, obviously the Kansas City Chiefs, the Buffalo Bills.
Yes. A lot of people saying the Steelers are the best team in AFC right now. What do you think? I think we're going to get them on Christmas day.
I think the Steelers are going to beat the Chiefs on Christmas day. You think? I feel very good about our chances. Okay.
You feel very good. How far do you think the Steelers can go this year? I think we're going to win the division. Okay. Over the Ravens. Over the Ravens.
Okay. I checked the numbers last night. They said, if we win this game against Cleveland, our chances of winning the division are, I believe 70%.
And if we lose, it's like maybe 52, something like that. And you have owned the Ravens. And we own the Ravens. We got one. Y'all got one, right? I think we can beat Cleveland twice.
Well, yeah, you should. I think we can beat the Bengals twice. Yep. The Bengals got a good offense. Casey, Philly is going to be tough. But other than that, you know. Okay. So two more losses this season.
So we're talking about 13 and four. That would be sweet. AFC North division champions looking at, you know, now you got to play us. You got to go to Pittsburgh.
You got to come to get enough credit for the job. He does with the Steelers for me. He does, but I got a few friends that feel otherwise. Steeler fans. Yeah. What are they don't like about my time? One of my friends, my man Shaw, he just thinks he thinks he's been there. So, you know, how certain, certain coaches have been there so long. They feel like the message is being lost now. Okay. It's like the same message over and over again.
They need an injection of new energy and stuff like that. All he does is win though. I I'm I'm ride with him. It's the teeny Winnie Afro, ain't it? I'm probably probably I'm riding with Tomlin. That's my guy.
That is my guy. So also other sports, you're a Mets fan. Mets.
Yes. Mets. Very close to getting Juan Soto. You're not.
We get Juan Soto. It's a wrap. Okay. You said stop. Yeah.
We're not getting them. He's a Yankee fan. He's not a Yankee. He's just like, I'll go biggest check. He's a half check. We'll travel gun for a gun. He's a mercenary right now.
And that's cool. No, he can go to the mess. I said, as long as he goes to the mess, he can't go to the Dodgers or the bread sauce, but I'm not going to win anyway. I'm just like saying like, if we get one soda, what do we sign? We signed somebody yesterday, a right-handed pitcher from Boston. Hegeman doesn't make a difference.
Not gonna make a difference. Listen, if we get one Soto, you better keep you to Lonzo too. Oh, we definitely can. Alonzo's a lifer. Alonzo's the new David Wright.
He's a lifer. So you guys had an all-star cast two years ago. And what happened? You basically gave the entire team away. You used to trade the entire team away. And he was thinking about having a wholesale change before Grimace saved your season last year, last season. We're not, we're not talking about the past. We're living in the present going forward.
That's exactly what I tried to tell this guy. Why are you bringing up old stuff? Who's your football team? Giants. You and John, but I stick with my team. Okay.
Oh, but for the end of the show, here's the thing. I got a bet with TJ. I got this thing with TJ. We just did a contract.
Okay. TJ is a diehard Dallas Cowboys fan out of all of his teams. Like he's a diehard Dallas Cowboys fan. And he's trying to get rid of the Cowboys. And he said that Rich won't allow him to leave the Cowboys. And I said, here's one thing we're going to do. I said, you can leave the Cowboys right now. We're going to allow you to leave. You got to sign a contract that you can't come back for five years. Did you sign the contract?
Well, Tony, I got the contract right here, dog. And I, you know, I'm mulling it over as I said, I got to have my people like, wait, what were they on your list? The top five most disappointing. They were three Cowboys Cowboys should be number one because of the two.
They were number two. Cowboys should be number one because of the incredible enthusiasm you guys have every year, every year. This is the year.
Here we go. I feel like this is just every year. That's why you should be number one. They should be number one. Don't they get on your nerves? I hate cowboy fans and I very much dislike Laker fans. Why do you dislike Laker fans? You only see them when the Lakers are winning. When the Lakers suck, you wouldn't even know what Laker fan is. Exactly. You wouldn't even know if you all can be Laker fans right now.
I wouldn't have no idea. If they were on a 10 game winning streak, you guys will be all the purple and yellow. And this is the year. Isn't that about LA though? LA is kind of like that LA cause even Dodger fans, right? Like I didn't see a lot of Dodger jerseys around here until this year.
Have you been to East LA? No, it's a Dodger town, just like it's a Lakers town, right? But all these Dodger hats they're wearing now and the jerseys they're wearing now, I didn't see as many.
A lot of those car stickers. That's how you know, there's a lot of LA Dodgers, like Raiders and LA Dodgers. I'm not saying that the fans are here. Definitely are here, but I'm talking about they're not as vocal until you start.
Well, I think once playoffs start, then people that are just casual fans get more excited about it because now it's further into the season. Yeah. You know, I want to talk about your, your, your comedy career, man. I think you're, I think you're one of the most funny, one of the funniest guys out there. I'm the people's champ.
You are, you are the people's champ, man. I really do believe that, you know, I know you're, you're Chris's brother, whatnot, man, but you made a name of your own Tony. And I like that. I mean, like I've been watching you since you were on, what's that show that you and Dwayne did all of us with Lisa Ray and all that. I thought you was funny back then. Then your standup is hilarious. If you get a chance to see Tony rock, where he, wherever he is in concert or on the stage, go check him out. Your crowd work is phenomenal.
Thank you. How big is crowd work these days? You know, I just started comedy about a year ago and I'm here like crowd work is phenomenal. I think you're one of the top five that I've seen when it comes to crowd work.
There's been a shift now in comedy because it used to be all about written material, but now because everybody lives in social media and they want to see stuff fast, being able to do crowd work and show people you can do it on the spot is the new thing is the new it thing. And if you have that ability, it is definitely a check. Has that always worked for you? Interesting story, but I got bumped up from feature to headliner. I didn't have enough material to go from feature to headliner that's gone from doing 20 minutes to set to an hour. I didn't have the extra 40 minutes, but it's like being called up to the majors. You can't say, Hey, I'm not ready to go yet. I got to still work on the curve ball. You got to go when they call you.
And if you go and you don't produce, you get sent back down and you might not ever get the chance again. So when I got bumped up to headliner, I didn't have the material. I would do five minutes of written material and 10 minutes of crowd work and another five minutes material and 10 minutes crowd work. And I would end with like my biggest bit just to end on a high note. But when I did the 10 minutes of crowd work, I had to find something every time to sustain me because if I had to go to written material early, I wouldn't finish. I'd finish early. I wouldn't have enough time. So I would go in the room and you know, how long you guys been together and what's going on here?
And you guys married and thank the Lord. I would always find something to give me 10 minutes of crowd work. That's how I got so strong at it.
Is there a key to that? Do you listen to other comedians interact with the crowd and you just kind of come back to them? Or do you find it's just seeing it, you see, like, you know, I've one time I was on stage to two guys and a woman sitting in the middle. What's going on here? This is, this looks like an interesting pairing. The lady said, this is my ex-husband and this is his new husband. Now that's 30 minutes of material right there. That's 30 minutes.
Wait, you divorced him and he married him. Okay. I know I'm going to be for the next 20 minutes of my set.
We'll be right here. So you just gotta be able to see stuff. You see like the couple that's not sitting together, but sitting at the same table, you know, what's going on here? Oh, we had an argument in the car.
Okay. Well tell me about it. You know, it's like being a therapist on the spot. How do you know to stay on that crowd? Like, like sometimes it could work out because they're interacting, they're into it. They're funny. They came to laugh or whatever.
Sometimes you can get on somebody, you have to touch a nerve. You have to be concerned with the overkill also, like you on it and you're getting the laugh. Okay.
It's fun. The room is vibing. And then some comics just go too far. They just keep going and the room's like, all right, already we heard. Okay. They, they, he, she divorced the guy and married the guy. All right, we got it. Like move on.
So you get enough to get the room going, get them up. And then you start off to something. When's the last time you went too far? I don't believe I can go too far, but, but I've gotten into back and forth with people during the election, you know, over who they were voting for.
And then of course they would say, you know, they're voting for Trump. And then it's, I want to tell you my political views. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, this is not the forum for that. I just wanted to have fun with you. Now you want to be, you want to take it as, make a stance, but that's not what I was trying to do. I was just trying to engage and have some fun so that it's not going too far, but it gets serious.
And I'm asking that because we live in a PC world. Like, you know, stand up comedy isn't what it used to be. You used to go out there and you joke, you can say anything you want. Well, we're the last, we're the last, well, this is the last place you can say something like along the lines of what can be considered, you know, uh, is it, is it coming back now?
I mean, because like now that Trump is in office, everything shouldn't be, oh, it's really coming back down, right? No, but this is the last stand up comedy. That stage is the last place in the world where you can kind of get away with it.
A woman walks in wearing something you like, damn, look at this. You couldn't say that anywhere else in the world. Have you ever had a situation where somebody wanted to talk to you after the show? Absolutely. Or like, absolutely. Absolutely.
Absolutely. Tell me about it. I laugh at you one night.
This is so crazy. Laugh at me one night, group of guys to my right group of guys to my left, uh, all Mexican guys. I'm making fun of them. They're cool. They, they loving it. Oh man, this guy, you crazy brothers like, Hey, why are y'all not laughing? And I start making fun of them and they were all affiliated. Oh, okay. They were affiliated and shows over and they were outside waiting for me and throwing up the signs and yo, we won't talk to you cause and all that.
And the Mexican dudes were like, Hey, with those, they're from whatever street. We know them. Okay.
Our gang doesn't get along with their gang. We got your back. So you became an essay and I'm like, I was an essay for like 20 minutes and I'm like, Hey, we don't have to do this. We don't have to do this.
Let's, let's not do this. Wow. And they went outside and talked to the guys and they were like, just tell them to come out. And I came out and this was like my, maybe my first month in Los Angeles. I didn't know how serious that whole thing was.
Wow. And I came outside and the guys were like, Hey man, listen, we heard you say you're from New York. We don't play that out here.
We don't play the whole making fun of how we dance and the signs and all that. We're letting you know now this will be a problem going forward. And I'm like, you got to learn. You got it.
You got it. Our comics, because at the beginning of the year, um, it seemed like the black comics, all the black comics kind of coming for each other. It just seemed like it was like a lot. It started off with cat and everything. The remnants of the cat Williams interview. Is it, is it, is it going back to normal now? Is it, is it because I was like, I was like, I just started doing comedy.
Do I want to do this? It was just, the interview was just, you know, it was, it was, it was a powerful interview and cat pulled no punches and said what he said. And every black comic watched it and it was like, please, Lord, don't let him say my name. I watched the whole thing like this. Okay.
You didn't say my name yet. So I'm like, whew, when it was over. Whew. Right. But, uh, yeah, it's getting back to normal. It's just, it was a conversation. He was unfiltered and, uh, you know, some guys felt some kind of way, but some of the stuff he said was pretty accurate. If you, in the comedy world, some of the stuff he said we know was accurate.
Right. So we didn't feel too much of a way. One thing with a lot of Tony and I, I've been knowing for a while. We was actually going to try and put a show together. It's a show we want to put together that's along those lines, man, when it comes to like storytelling is I think you guys sell the best stories out of anybody, uh, in the history of just like the show sells itself because every comic is into sports. So we could have a show, something like this, and then comics come on and do material about sports. About sports. Let's do it, man.
We, uh, Roku, y'all need an extra, you know, show. Let's go, man. Let's talk to make this happen. Um, I was going to ask you about your brother a little bit, all right. Cause I saw an interview that you did and this kind of touched me a little bit because, you know, DL is my cousin, right?
Yeah. So I remember that and DL, I started doing standup and I ain't trying to put them on blast or anything like that, but I haven't gotten received any help from DL, which is in a way I look at it and say, okay, well, DL is not helping me. I got to do this on my own. I got to navigate these waters.
I'm trying to make this transition out there. I saw something where you did an interview. He was talking about, um, first five, I believe he did.
No, I did. It was my podcast. I have a podcast called life in the green room and we had airy Spears on and airy Spears said, Hey, can I ask you a question?
This is something I've always wanted to ask. How come Eddie doesn't put Charlie in a lot of his movies? How come Chris doesn't put you in a lot of his movies?
And I was trying to explain it to everybody, but I, you got to realize sometimes people that are watching don't understand how the business works. Right. So the story was that I was supposed to be in the movie top five.
Okay. I was in New York. I was touring, but I had a weekend off. So I went home.
I saw my brother at a comedy club. Hey ma'am, shoot the movie. I'm gonna put you in it.
That's what, that was the conversation right there. Shoot a movie. I'll send you all the info you're in it. Okay, cool. You have to call somebody.
No, no, we'll get you all the info. Now I continued with my tour, not thinking really too much about it. I just knew I'll get a phone call at some point. And then people started calling me saying, Hey, we're on the set. Where are you?
Cause it was in New York. So all my friends, Hey, we're on the set. Are you here today? I didn't get a phone call yet, but I continued my tour until the phone call came. Then a young lady, a friend of mine was, Hey babe, I'm shooting a scene with your brother today. I'm on the, on the show, on the movie. Are you here?
Wow. I didn't get a phone call yet. Now I could have called my brother and said, but I was on tour and I was like, I'm not stopping my tour until I get the phone call.
And normally what the protocol is. You get a phone call from production, right? Hey, this is so-and-so from production.
We got to get your sizes or we got to get you in for wardrobe because you're going to start on this day. I was waiting for that phone call. It never came. The movie shot wrapped. People will call me from the wrap party.
Are you here? But the entire time I was on tour. So I didn't lose any money.
Right. People heard me say that in the interview, like I was standing on the stoop waiting for the phone call. I was making a lot of money the whole time, but the phone call never came. My brother doesn't owe me anything in this life. You will learn that people don't owe you anything people do because they want to do. So I never entered the business thinking, well, because I got my brother, I'm going to skip the line. No, that's not how we ever, we would never raise like that. We were raised like the oldest brothers do. They like my oldest brother got a job first. My dad would say, okay, you got paid on Friday. Give all your brothers $5.
Okay. Then my next brother got a job. Give all your brothers $5. But that's that was when we were kids. Now we're all able-bodied citizens that can take care of ourselves. We all have our own homes and cars and families to take care of.
My brother doesn't owe me anything. It just was an incident where now everybody on the back end after the interview, well, why didn't you go show up on the set? Why didn't you call? I could have done all of that. You're right.
But I was busy on tour and I just thought, okay, when they're ready, they'll call me. See, that's what I admire about you though, because you've done it. I'm my own man. Once again, you're your own man. Look, I know that you're Chris's brother, whatever, but I've always looked at you as an individual. You're doing it on your own, man. And sometimes you just don't need the help or you don't want the help. And sometimes that makes you even better because you work harder for it.
Okay. So when I first started doing standup, I knew I started in New York. I started in the same comedy club my brother started at. Same club Eddie started, same club Adam started, Paul Reiser.
I would see every comic coming through those doors back in the day. And when I started, I said, I don't want to lose any credibility with my peers. So I don't want to be the guy that's like, oh, he didn't do the open mics.
He just, his brother just got them in. Because then when you're around a bunch of comics, they're telling their stories. It's like, no, no, this doesn't pertain to you. You didn't do it this way. So I always wanted to be the guy that went the traditional route. You know, open mics, bringer shows, barking for an audience, hosting a show, not getting paid, getting paid in free drinks. I did the same exact thing every other comic did.
My brother had nothing to do with it. Of course, as a kid, when he started, he would always say, you're the funny one. You should be doing standup. He would tell people in interviews to this day, he still tells people, hey, Tony's the funny one. Tony's hilarious.
Tony's the funny one. So that's all he really, that's all I really need from him is just when people say my name, just, yeah, he's the guy. That's an endorsement that you need, man. That's why I love you, man.
That's why I think you're admiring and respect you, man. And I know they're going bigger and better places. I know you're doing great things right now. Stick around. Cause I want to, I want to endorse what you got coming up. We got one more break to come in.
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Tony Rock, great comedian, Steelers fan. Yes, sir. Mets fan.
Yes, sir. Basketball team? Brooklyn Nets.
Brooklyn Nets. We're not going to talk about them. Nothing to talk about right now. I do want to talk about your podcast you got going on right now. You talked about some great, I was on your podcast, a guest on your podcast. I like what you're doing over there with Joe Fox and Trey Elliott doing a great job over there. And you got a special out right now. Live in the Green Room is the podcast. Make sure you guys check it out.
And my special is called Rock the World. It's out on streaming platforms, fully financed by myself. Shopped it, couldn't get the deal. Shot it. As soon as I shot it, they saw it, they offered me the money. So you're like the Jay-Z of the comedy world.
It's my reasonable doubt. Sometimes you got to do that. You got to bet on yourself, man.
But now the beautiful thing about that is now that I know the formula, I really don't need them now. I can do it again myself and do it the same way I did it before and make more money. You see more comics doing things. I've seen a lot of comics like financing their own specials. Now, I'm not waiting for the Netflix's of the world because the streaming platforms are looking for content and they want to beat out other platforms on, you know, we have this thing that nobody else has. So they, if it's quality product, they're going to buy it. And then Netflix is like, damn, we should have got it. Or Hulu's like, we should have got it.
So yeah, streaming platforms is definitely the way to go. Yeah, bro. And very funny. I'm going to shoot again.
I'm probably going to shoot again in about maybe February. How do you know when you have, when you know, hey, I'm ready for a special. How do you know that?
How do you know this? Well, the first one is your whole career. The first special is your whole career from the day you started.
It's you have the material. And then once you get that done, the excitement of doing the first one, as soon as it's over, you're like, I got to do that again. It's the high of highs. Like being on stage is a high, you know this, but shooting a special when it's over is the high of all highs.
And you're like, I definitely want to do this again. Right, man. Hey, who do you like as a comedian? Who's your favorite standup comic right now? Dave Chappelle, my brother.
With Living, what are we doing? No, just all time. Carlin. I still watch Carlin. I still watch Prior. I still watch Patrice O'Neill. May they all rest in peace. Dave Chappelle, my brother.
So many people. I like my guy right now is Nate Burgats. Oh yeah, he's hilarious.
Nate Burgats is my guy right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there a comic, like I say, like you got a name because you know, rock name, obviously, Tony Rock, whatever. And I want to just have you be up there when it comes to the Chris Rocks of the world. You're just as funny. You really are. And I mean that. Smoke up nobody.
You know that, bro. Is there a comic that's out there that you're looking at that says, man, he needs a little bit more attention? Being biased, I'd say Jordan Rock. My baby brother. Jordan Rock, super funny.
But I'd say Jordan. Reg Thomas. I think comedian CP. CP, yeah, CP.
CP's hilarious. Yeah. Chelsea Perry. Oh, Chelsea. Okay.
John Grimes. Quite a few names that I see, you know, like, okay. And thanks for giving them the platform, man. Appreciate you. I appreciate you coming on the show, man. Anytime, man, you call them. It's Tony Rock, man.
It's Tony Rock, man. Yeah. Absolutely. Had a good time. As always, bro. Super fun. Let's do it again tomorrow.
We want to do it again tomorrow. I got to get up early in the morning. I guess I got to go to sleep tonight.
Then I got to go get some sleep at some point. You performing this weekend somewhere. I am in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at the improv weekend. After that, I am in Boston, laughs, Boston. And then I'm going on vacation for a little while.
Go to the Cayman Islands. Recharge my battery. Work on this tan and then come back and do it all over again.
Charleston, I love you. I need to work on my tan, too. TJ, did you sign a contract? Come on, TJ. You know, after giving this much consideration and pulling out the official plume pen, the feather pen, TJ, if you leave the Dallas Cowboys, you can't come back until the 2030 season. I can't do it.
I can't do it. Brockman, thank you. Thank you.
TJ. Thank you. Tony.
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