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The Rich Eisen Show discusses various NFL topics, including quarterback performances, game time tickets, and sports news. Guests include Jordan Palmer, a quarterback consultant, and Chris Long, a former NFL player. The show also covers other sports-related topics, such as concerts and theater.

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Ramsey, what I got so far? Nothing's too crazy, crazy like the last time. No, no, just say it's crazy that maybe somebody will... Yeah, I was going to tune in but I'm not now because you said it's not crazy.

Actually, I have three that you're not going to want. Okay, so now I'll tune back in and see how that works. So meanwhile, the Metropolitans and the Braves are playing for the right to punch a ticket to the playoffs in a doubleheader that the winner of the first game has no need or desire to win the second.

It's like, can we just quit? As a matter of fact, if the Braves hold on to this 2-0 lead, I would call up in between games if I could or just have at the ready. I'd call every minor leaguer I have to say, hey, who wants to play the second game? And then I would take Chris Sale and put him on a flight to San Diego. Right. That's it, because you know if you win, you're going to San Diego. Put him on a flight, like right now, because you don't need to pitch him in the second game of this game.

No, no, no, no, no. Meanwhile, the Arizona Diamondbacks are like, please do that because we need the Mets to lose. Yeah. And there's no incentive for whoever wins game one to conduct the sweep to get the Diamondbacks into the playoffs.

Unless we're at Richard, the king petty levels of spite. No, but you're not doing that because you have to play... Even that wouldn't even matter.

Game one of the wildcard series is tomorrow. Yeah. And that's insane.

That's insane. They can't get 24 hours? Nope. Nope.

That is correct. They cannot. So that's what's up with Major League Baseball. Pray for rain. Are they really tomorrow?

Yeah, they are tomorrow. Wow. I've got a top five list coming up later on this hour.

The top five most mind-blowing stats through four weeks of the National Football League. Ah, yes. I've got some. You haven't heard of many of them. Let's put it that way.

There's one that everyone keeps banding about. So back here on the Rich... By the way, we like making you smarter here on the Rich Eisen Show. Of course. And those who help make us smarter, when they're proven correct, get a chance to come back and say, I told you so. And in that vein, our friend Jordan Palmer, quarterback consultant, returns here to the Rich Eisen Show.

Less than a month removed from telling us Sam Darnold is going to be just fine, if not terrific, in Minnesota. Back here on the program. Good to see you, Jordan. How are you, sir?

I'm doing great. This was a big weekend. I got a bunch of guys playing that played at a high level this weekend. And then my third grader went 2-0.

He's playing two different flag leagues. And we just were really starting to put it together on offense, the bills are. So I was excited. It's a good weekend. Very good.

This is all good in your hood. So seriously, what are you seeing out of Jordan Palmer? What are you seeing out of Sam Darnold right now that you saw a month ago? Well, I think it's really a discussion around narratives going into it, right? Because I'm saying I'm not surprised at what I'm seeing. Everyone else is surprised at what they're seeing. So I'm seeing the same thing you're seeing, right? Touchdown passes and not dumb turnovers and accuracy.

So all that stuff recede. But I think the conversation is really about the narrative coming into it, which is why people would be surprised or caught off guard or wrong. And if you think about how opinions are formed on, let's just say quarterbacks, because we're talking about there's really like two parties that represent that, right? So you've got the media and you've got fans.

And so, Rich, I think about you personally. I mean, you've been in this business 30 years and you understand football at such a higher level than a casual fan and you watch it, you study it, you call it. I think about the umpteen hours you and just coach prime have spent talking ball on a car service, on an airplane, in a production meeting and fill in hundreds of other people who are experts at you. So in the media, you and your peers, you're getting such good information input, right?

And stories and context. Fans don't really get that as much. And so what ends up happening is overwhelmingly, I think fans and media draw on the most available data, which is just stats, right? 52%, 71%, six touchdowns, three picks. And so what happens is fans and media and as a whole, a lot of times gravitate towards the stats and the stats just don't really tell the picture. As I look at Sam's success, I can't tell you off the top of my head what his stats are. I haven't even looked and I'm not just saying that. I don't know.

I don't really pay attention to it because that never really tells me the story. I think what with Sam is, and you see this with other people that I said, we're going to do good. I've been confident from day one that Jayden Daniels was going to start off hot.

Um, is you look at like, what has, what have they done in their past to set them up for success in this situation? And I go back to a couple of years ago, Sam was playing in Carolina. They started off three and Oh, he had Christian McCaffrey, Joe Brady was his OC and he was playing some of the best ball in the league. And then I went to the game at Houston as Thursday night game and McCaffrey went down and another injury in the corner got hurt.

And then it just kind of snowballed and fell out of control. And then we just look at Sam Darnold stats at the end of the year. And we, they say he's about, and then you look at last year, you need to sit, sit not just behind Brock Purdy, but be in that San Francisco building.

And as a fan, there's no stats that are going to tell me how much better Sam Donald got last year and how much he extracted from that. Um, but I can tell you, um, and think about like this, Rich, let's say you're the third, your son's going to be the third pick in the draft. And I said, Hey, before he plays it for his first year, I'm going to let him pick a coordinator to sit in the room with and learn from for a year. And I'm going to guarantee that he's going to be in a locker room for a whole year with a Superbowl contender with a team who makes it to the Superbowl.

You would jump at the opportunity to put your son in that situation. And that's what Sam, the former number three of picking the draft got to do last year. You got to be not just around the Niners and all that, but learn the whole year, go to the university of Kyle Shanahan. And then he got to see, you know, Brock Purdy, not just have a great year, but what he did in the playoffs, everything to get to the Superbowl. And so all of that contact, all of that exposure and experience comes together with somebody who has also dealt with getting punched in the stomach in New York for years in the media.

And he's that, you know, he's an internet or making fun of him. Like he's got all that. And so you drop them in this situation, which has no coaches with job security issues. So they're just doing what makes sense. They're just making logical, smart decisions and a bunch of good players in the huddle and no expectations going into it.

And poof, here we are. Jordan Palmer here on the Rich Eisen Show. You just said that within that, that answer that you had no doubts Jayden Daniels would, would take off quickly in his first four weeks. But even, even to the extent that we're seeing, I mean, we're seeing an accuracy level on the likes of Drew Brees, Jordan, and we're seeing the efficiency certainly over the last two weeks.

I know Burrow is one of your guys too. That throw he made to, to send Joe Burrow to 0-3 is one of those wow plays that you don't ever see from a rookie really in game three, certainly in his first Monday night game. So what made you think that with Jayden? Well, the level that he's playing, breaking records, no, I mean, this is, this is incredible. This is unprecedented.

I mean, you break a record, it's literally unprecedented before. But I thought what would translate for Jayden is what translated for him at Arizona state. And I've known Jayden since he was a sophomore in high school and I was calling games for a little bit for Fox. And I actually called Arizona state at Oregon state his true freshman year and watched him battle back to tie up a game with say, had no business being in. And I think what it is is because he's pretty quiet and because he's not flashy and because he doesn't, he, I don't know that how much he cares about Marcus, and media.

He just is kind of to himself and he's quiet. He's not like one of these lightning rods or magnets where we're all, we're going to over analyze them. And so the other part that happens is people don't, they didn't pay attention to it. They didn't, I watched every Arizona state game, like they didn't, people didn't watch that. And and so when he went to LSU, I saw burrow all over again because he's going to play with some playmakers around him, but it's going to translate right away. People don't realize that Jayden Daniels is a true freshman at the end of the season, had Oregon come into town, Justin Herbert, and all Oregon had to do was beat a bad Arizona state team with a true freshman quarterback.

And they didn't. Jayden Daniels outdueled Justin Herbert. And so when you see Jay go back on the history of Jay getting thrown into situations that he may or may not be ready for, get thrown into situations that every single time people said, he's too small to, he's too small to play as a true freshman. He's too skinny to do that in the NFL or to do it in the SCC. That's what they said at LSU. Now we all concerns about how skinny he is and how slight he is heading into the NFL. And I just see him continually over time. He's created a pattern of being ready for the next level, whatever that next level is.

High school to college, Pac-12 to SCC, and now SCC to NFL. And I just, somebody who's got a pattern of handling that well, I'm certainly not going to bet against or doubt. And then on the mobility side of it, he's fast. A lot of guys are fast to play quarterback, but the difference between the way he uses his athleticism and say Caleb Williams is he is a decisive, put your foot in the ground and go guy. There's not a lot of clips of Jayden Daniels bouncing around and dancing in the pocket and creating that way. There's a lot of examples of him, punk faking, putting his foot in the ground and getting to full speed that translates to the league. And so the combination of those elements, and I think everyone underestimated how good Terry McLaurin and some of these other guys were because of the quarterback play around them, I would say, and you got a perfect storm and cliff Kingbury is the perfect guy to be orchestrating this.

Why? Because he's done it with Kyler. And what I just said about running around and creating time and space by making people miss in the pocket, I don't remember the stats in front of you, but Kyler Murray was pretty close to the NFL record for SACS rookie year. He ran into a lot of SACS, what he got away with in college, get the edge, you know, set the, make the first guy miss, make the second guy miss. Well, in college, not every D lineman has a motor and in the league they do. None of the guys pass rushing ever give up.

And so you run into a lot of SACS. We're seeing it out of Caleb. Now we saw it out of Kyler Murray when he was with clings, cliff Kingsbury, his rookie year, that's not Jayden's game.

That's not what he does. And so you're getting all the good that, that cliff has done before in the NFL, you know, at SC, before that Texas tech, getting all that experience, you're getting an offensive coordinator who doesn't think we need to win by outsmarting the other team. We need to win by keeping it simple, playing fast and executing. That's not every coordinator believes that. And that's what it's worked for cliff. And this is the perfect guy to be running cliff's offense, a guy who doesn't run into SACS and create losses and who's decisive and complete fast. Jordan Palmer, founder of the QB summit, as well as a quarterback consultant, extraordinary back here on the rich eyes and show, what are you seeing out of Caleb's first month in the NFL?

Well, it's a little bit of what I just mentioned of, you know, he's a couple of weeks ago, you know, he makes the first guy, missed the second guy, miss, and then the third guy gets him or he gets hit waste thrown. And it's a pick, um, you know, quarterbacks that who rely on that, or that's a strength of this. Cause I don't think it's not, uh, who can make people miss in the pocket and buy time, uh, players who grew up doing that in high school, kid Williams was nobody on the field for tackle.

Right. And then I would argue at SC, no one on the field could tackle him. And so he's created success and created a history of part big part of his game is creating time and space by moving around in the pocket and using his athleticism. Well, I can't put a quarterback through drills to tell them, Hey, you're going to have to speed that up in the league. And we can't practice that in practice. You can only get those reps in the game.

Cause that's the only time they're actually coming after you dive in action, trying to hit you. And so I just think guys like that, it's going to take him a little bit to figure out what he can and can't get away with. And that's not to say that he's continuing to evolve in quick game and off platform throws and progressions like Caleb is going to be just fine.

He's going to be a star. And I think what we're seeing early on is him learning oversimplified the speed of the game, what he can and can't get away with when he's moving around the pocket and Caleb's so smart and so self-aware that I think he's going to continue to get better at that every week. And you think Jayden Daniels is not having those issues because do you think he processes better or you just say that wasn't his game making the second third man miss before. So he doesn't have to deal with figuring out how the speed of this game is different. Cause he's deadly accurate, man. I'm just trying to, and obviously comparing these two is something that's going to happen in the rest of their careers, let alone four games in.

Yeah. I don't, there'd be no way for me to assess who's processing faster, who's smarter, who knows more. There'd be no way to assess that. It'd be a subjective opinion, which I avoid.

No, I just think Jayden has not created. And if you pull up his top 25, um, let's say creative plays that he made in high school and then his top 25 create most creative plays that, uh, exciting highlight real plays from college. Let's say he took all those. I just don't think you're going to see that many where he goes right, backs up, scoots up, scoots to the left, spins out of it, stays in the pocket and throws it. I'm not saying he can't do that.

I'm just saying that's not most of his place. Most of his plays is when he does something creative is he's decisive. He leaves the pocket to the right, puts his foot in the ground, cuts up field and goes, or cuts up field on the rips on down the field. And so he's just a, he's a one cut. You see with running back, some guys are one cut North South guys. And some guys can juke everybody, right?

So it's not even a knock. It's just, that's not his game. Some people hit driver and they spray it and some people just hit their three iron and they don't hit it as far off the tee box, but they're always down the middle. It's just a different approach to the game. And you can lose to the guy who hits the three iron off the tee too. Um, but it's just what the approach and what is, uh, where he's found success.

It's not by dancing and, and buying time in the pocket. It's by being decisive, getting the ball out of his hand or taking off. And that translates Jordan Palmer last a couple of minutes, uh, with the QB summit founder here on the rich eyes and show. So, um, last one for you, Trevor Lawrence, uh, what, what are you seeing, um, over these first four weeks, anything, a guy that you've worked with before Jacksonville would love to figure something out to get a w here right now, losing nine in a nine in a row with him right now, what do you have for me, Jordan?

This is an interesting one because they, they certainly have personnel there. I mean, Christian Kirk, it couldn't be a bigger fan of, um, I know Ingram's been hurt, but they have pieces there. And, and Trevor is just such a consistent guy every day, same work ethic, same person, win, lose. And so a lot of times when you, when you lose a bunch of games in a row, you, your leaders are either not great leaders or they're just inconsistent, you know? Uh, but that's not the case. And it's not the case with the head coach either. So I don't have an amazing answer for you. Um, but I know that Trevor bounced back after, uh, just a crazy chaotic rookie season to have a really good sophomore season with the Jaguars.

And, you know, they're in a slump right now. And if you think about, um, it's funny, I read a book to my class and my kids kindergarten class the other day. Oh, the places you'll go by Dr. Seuss. So pumping yourself is not easily done.

Somebody is going to be laughing really hard that I'm talking about. I'll give it to you. Yes. Um, getting out of that slump, what you can't do is get creative and try and reinvent yourself. What you have to do is get back to fundamentals and you have to get on the same page with guys.

So I think it's a really complex answer of keeping it simple. They have to figure out the two or three things that have to get better upfront. Uh, Trevor has to, I think mechanically in the pocket, get himself back to a good pre-pass position. He's getting hit a time. He's a little more off his back foot, a little bit leaning that happens when you're pressing that happens, um, as the pressure builds from another loss. And so I think it's, uh, when I've seen this college or pro good teams underperform consistently for a period of time. Uh, what I've seen in the past is getting back to the fundamentals and get everybody bought in on doing the simple things. Well is the best way to unslump yourself. Jordan.

Thanks again. Uh, congrats. Uh, not, not just in saying that Sam Donald would do what he would do, but you know, when you taught Josh Allen that, uh, roll out to your right, avoid three pass rushers at the same time, throw it across your body, 50 yards down the field as you're falling out of bounds and getting hit. Um, he nailed that one to Shakir, uh, on Sunday night. So excellent execution of your game plan for him, Jordan. Yeah. A lot of trick shots.

I let the, I let the boys play around and do fun, fun drills at the end of every workout. That's all that was. It's honestly, I ascribed it to you. So, uh, congrats on that Jordan. Thanks for the time as always brother. You're the best.

Thanks Chris. You got to, that's Jordan Palmer right here. He teaches, uh, Josh Allen, everything he knows right there.

That was one of the craziest plays I've seen in some time. Uh, as for the Jaguars, man, uh, I was saying last week, the guys are in that room, right? The guys who, who, who went to the playoffs two years ago and were, I keep bringing it up, but that's the point by which they, they they've lost every game when Trevor went down. Right. And Christian Kirk went down.

They were nine and three. And if they won, they would have been the one seat in the AFC last year. Right.

Yeah. And they lost to Jake Browning and they haven't won since, to this point. I don't like they're all in that room, including the coach. And I thought I was looking like a genius when they were up in Houston. But I mean, they just, in terms of closing, right. We're talking about difference between closers and not, I mean, they had a chance to go up two scores right there on the goal line, right there on the, uh, on, uh, on the doorstep and they got turned away. And then what they did week one, they should have beat Miami.

Like they could easily be 2-2. Right. And so, and since CJ Stroud had, uh, the, his, his best game of the year.

Well, Nico Collins is unguardable. And so he had the ball in his hands to end the game, not you. And that's the problem. So, uh, after the game, uh, Doug Peterson was asked, maybe you should call the plays. Remember we were saying that, that, that, that he that's his area of expertise. Maybe you take the headset away from your OC and press Taylor.

Here was his answer. You take the headset over, just change this thing up for what I thought he called a great game. We, as coaches, we can't make, we can't go out there and make the plays right. It's a two way street. So, you know, you guys can sit here and point the finger all you want and it's fine.

Point it right at me. I can take it. Okay. I can take it. So whatever you want to ask me, say whatever, right. Go ahead, man. I mean, that is such an uncharacteristic thing for Doug Peterson to say, but totally honest.

I can't execute the plays. It's a two way street. And then I think he immediately caught himself knowing what he just said. And he said, point the finger at me. If you're pointing fingers, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. They, they had the game right there. It's not because it was a guy called a bad game.

And, and that's uncharacteristic. And I'm wondering if he's feeling the pressure, certainly when he gets questions about his future. Start worrying about your status at this point.

My status? After an all four start. I mean, no, I mean, it's kind of a strange question, but okay.

Not that strange. Well, again, as I said last week, when the owner of the team says, this is the best team we've had, and it's time to win and you lose your first four, that's the way you get got in the NFL. Certainly when you know, the, the quarterback who has been paid 55 million per is, is in your care, right?

That's the way people get got. You want to talk about a massive home game. The Indianapolis Colts and maybe Joe Flacco are coming to town. I mean, you want to talk about must win in week five. This is about it because then sort of what they're used to, which is go to London for two weeks and just leave all this craziness behind. If they can win this and then get on a flight and then bond together in London, like this team frequently does, they can come back. If they win against Chicago and New England, three and four with a home date against Green Bay. And here we go. Certainly before some serious meat again, Green Bay at Philly, home for Minnesota at Detroit. And then you got to buy, get a little breather. The path, the path is there.

I know I'm being really peaches and cream glass half full here, but that kid, Brian Thomas is really good. There's some pieces there. Yeah. Getting them back healthy.

Wipe that slate clean, win the game, win one at home, go to London, bond together, come back one game under you. And you got yourself a shot here. Yep. I know. I mean, yeah, I'm being pie in the sky. That's it's realistic. I'm not saying that's not outrageous. It's out of the realm. Yeah.

But then it goes the other way. And Doug stays in London, you know, I hear you. Yeah. But I, what there's been five coaches of the con administration and two of them have been fired mid season.

That's the last thing he wants to do. Probably. Cause I'm sure they're all looking around saying this is the plant. Like what happened? This was the plan here. And it's better than most plans. Remember last year at one point, we're like, uh, what was it?

Mark Morris Jones, Drew's his name, a better quarterback running back, you know, receiver combination in, in the division or the NFL or whatever. And we were talking about it. Yeah. Is that two years ago? Maybe.

I don't know. I mean, it's Calvin Ridley and Travis ETN and they were parents when they were nine and three. Maurice Jones drew is like, name me a better pass catcher running back quarterback combination. And then he threw Ingram in there as well.

They were nine and three. Yeah. And a tight end and you know, anger, I'm a tight end.

It was mystery games in a row. I mean, you can really see him, him being absent is affecting the offense. Let's take a break. You're not going to believe some of these stats I've got.

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People want to know. Yeah. You know, you were allowed to have one it guy there at your house. So it was one of our IT guys that took it. And he stayed in the cabana IT guy.

He did not, they did not stay at the house. Did you light the fire or did you light the fire? We're all fascinated. This is fascinating to everybody.

It is fascinating. Um, yeah, I lit the fire. Okay. Go ahead, Chris. Go ahead and ask. Did you get in the pool at any point? I did not get in the pool.

That's maybe next year. What's the one, um, I guess the comparison you've heard about the photographs before? I guess we give one, what it looks like to people. What have you heard the most? The funniest one I saw was like, it was turned in. They had the browser's logo.

Like that was actually like really fantastic. I was going to go cologne. I was going to go cologne, you know what, like, Bond villain, you know, Bond. Back on the Rich Eisen Show radio network. I'm sitting at the Rich Eisen Show desk, furnished by Grainger with supplies and solutions for every industry. Grainger has the right product for you.

Call clickrainger.com or just stop by Brad in Salt Lake City, Utah. Let's take his phone call. What's up, Bradley? What's going on, sir?

Uh, hi. So I'm a diehard Eagles fan and I'm pretty sure just from that sentence alone, you know where this question is going. Last night's game was, um, emotionally devastating to say the least. It was some of the worst football arguably I have ever seen. Um, my question for you, um, is just in your opinion, what is going on with the Eagles?

Like to me, it feels like a coaching issue first and foremost, but I am the first person to admit that I, I am not a Sirianni fan in the slightest. I was hoping for Belichick, um, or, or Brabel or literally anybody else, but just in your opinion, what, what the heck was that? Well, first of all, Brad, um, if there are more results like the one we saw in week four, you might get your wish.

Anyway, um, that said, I'm going to flush this one too. I mean, if, if, um, if Jalen Hurts could wave a wand and not ever play against Todd Bowles at any point of his career, he would take it. Um, that said, you know, one guy had, um, Evans and Godwin and the other guy didn't have Brown and Smith. I mean, and, and, um, Lane Johnson.

Oh my gosh. I mean, if I had to choose a couple of players or three players for the, for the Eagles to be without, in order for my team to beat them, I would remove Jalen. I would remove, um, obviously and Saquon and then those three guys and maybe Jalen Carter, right?

I mean, like if I had a, those are the top six right there. So, I mean, it seems like the Heat did a lot of that work for them. So I'm, I'm sure that didn't help, but. I mean, it was a special teams breakdown. It was just all, it's, it's not pretty, but the bottom line is, is the, um, by the end of the weekend, um, you know, they're only one game out of first, they're going to go on a buy, they'll come back. We'll see what it looks like when, when Brown and Smith return and Philadelphia will be taking on Cleveland and then they're at the Giants for a Saquon, um, spike trip and, um, at Cincinnati, home for Jacksonville on a Sunday night, if that game doesn't get flexed out, to be honest with you.

That might be your first Sunday night flex in week nine if Jacksonville doesn't improve. These are, I'm not, I'm not sounding the alarm on the Eagles just yet, but thanks for the call, Brad. You know, I mean, it wasn't pretty. It isn't pretty. They have the offensive player of the year as far as I'm concerned though.

How about a Monday? What's more likely coach to be fired first Sirianni or Doug Peterson? I don't think, um, anybody's going to, I, I, I, I don't think you're going to see an interim coach and obviously you'd have to choose the, you know, the coach who has no wins right now. I, what do you think they're going to, and then do what hand, hand Kellen Moore, the headset?

Give him a, you know, a two month audition. That's crazy, man. They're just crazier things have happened in this league. No, you know, you could start, and I know Breer has done that already, forming the, uh, Bill Belichick who, who wants him for 2025 moment.

That's common, you know, and you just mentioned two franchises that are most discussed on that front. But you guys think you said it's coming with bill, like Bill's doing a lot right now. It seems like he's having fun. Sure. Do you think he would give up all this to go back in maybe one last time, such a good team, the all-time wins later.

Yes. But what if he gets on the team and they're just not that good, which is why he's going to get to pick and choose last year. He didn't cause Tom Brady doesn't grow off trees. This reset will allow him to pick and choose. And I just hope for his sake, unfortunately for those who get fired to, to, to make the openings, but there's always, as you know, openings, um, for his, for his sake, that, that, that it includes a quarterback he can work with and a franchise that's ready to spend. And, and somebody that just, you just add bill and they can win that very year, if not the next.

But rich, like if these job openings come open and that would mean all that stuff that you said, they probably didn't work out have in place. So, uh, you never know. I mean, look, Cincinnati might be open. Do you think they'll want to coach Joe burrow?

No, come on, dude. I, I can't imagine that it's not Zach Taylor's fault. Bengals fans do not like Zach Taylor. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Well, Bengals fan and fans don't usually like their coaches when they're not, you know, I'm just saying every year forming up to snuff, there's six to eight jobs every year.

And there's always a handful that we aren't seeing coming, especially after four weeks. Let me ask you a question. You want to look up Zach Taylor's contract real quick. If there is one more game on it past 2024, he is not getting fired.

That is a fact. And also is that organization going to be willing to pay bill the amount of money that ask, ask, ask was extended through 2026. That is how long he will be coached there. Regardless of the result, see Lewis comma Marvin. I don't know. Ask any Bengals fan how long Marvin Lewis was the head coach there past what they wanted him to be. Please. These owners get older. They, uh, the trigger fingers are a little itchy. Owners get older.

In the case of this gentleman, may he long live as long as, as he, as he wishes and everybody else, but that just like everybody else, this guy will only become more of a penny pincher and not spend a dime on paying somebody to not work for him. Can't take it with you. Okay. Uh, also week nine flex. I'm looking at Cowboys Falcons. Okay.

Keep an eye on all of that. Lions Packers probably protected by Fox. I have a top five. The fantastic NFL network research department sends out after every week, a research packet, a stat packet. And these are the numbers and facts. There have been so many there have been so many of them, uh, that they leapt out for me to create a top five along with two that Cooper helped come up with on the ride home from yesterday's Chiefs Chargers game.

All right. One, two, three, four, five. It starts with number five. This isn't a very deep number, but Coop and I and his buddy Ryan were talking about this on the way home. And I made a mental note and I'm like, I got to bring this to the show tomorrow on the way home from the chargers chiefs game. This one's kind of wild.

Didn't think this would be possible. All of these stats. You'd be proud of the season saying, what are you talking about? This is more of a nugget than a stat.

Number five. Malik Willis is two and O and Jordan love is O and two for the two and two and two green Bay Packers can't make it up. Jordan love, as we all know, got hurt at the end of the Packers season opening loss in Brazil. Malik Willis came in and we'll see how long you can keep it afloat. How about two straight wins? And then love comes back tomorrow.

You're even texting me. He doesn't look right. He didn't look right in the first half, right? He took a hit. He was limping a little bit, right?

So maybe the second half will be a better leaping off point, but they were down so deep in a first half hole couldn't come out of it. Malik Willis is two and O Jordan love is O and two. That's funny. I like that.

Number four on the mind blowing stats through four weeks, my top five, I titled this illegal procedure Palooza at this point last year through four weeks in 2023, a mere 28 illegal procedure penalties were called. You want to guess how many so far you want to do Price is Right rules? Sure.

Go for it. 60. What about you TJ Jefferson? What about you? I'm going to say 49.

Mike, you want to chime in here? One. Okay. One.

The closest without going over is Chris Brockman. 62 have been called. Let me just say this folks again, I'm not on the competition committee. You know, I think I should have a spot on the competition committee. Let me say this.

Whoever is out there on the competition committee who said, you know what? These left tackles, these right tackles, these left guards, these right guards, they are too far back from where they should be lined up. And that's messing with protections.

And that's messing with my ability to have my team go get a quarterback. We're going to clean this thing up. I don't know what it is, but it is too much. And it is taking big plays off the board, stuff that people would be tweeting and posting and talking about and points and fantasy interest and fan discussion and much more watchable moments are being removed because we're seeing the refs go like this.

All day. This is it. I don't want to see this anymore. I don't want to see this anymore.

I know some of the refs might want to show off their buys that they're working on. These guys are yoked. Enough with the illegal procedure. We get it. You're trying to clean it up. People are having trouble figuring it out.

It's really screwing things up. And wait till you hear the other stat about points in a second. Number three of your mind blowing stats through four weeks. This is crazy. The Minnesota Vikings, your 4-0 Vikings have trailed for just three minutes and 26 seconds this year.

That's it? The whole season? Through four weeks. They're the only team out.

How crazy is this? They're the only team under 27 minutes of trailing time. They've trailed only three minutes and 26 seconds of Minnesota Vikings football this year. So they're a hard 4-0. They've taken the lead and they're building on it and they're holding on to it. So there's that. Didn't Kevin O'Connell say last week at some point adversity is going to face and it's going to hit?

And I keep telling my guys, how are we going to handle it? Well, so far, just three minutes and 26 seconds this year, they've looked up the scoreboard. Oh, we're losing. Oh, that's weird.

Number two. What a shame. We have seen the fewest points scored league-wide through four weeks in 14 years. 26-46. That's the number of points scored so far this year. Fewest since 2010 when 25-20 were scored. Last year at this point, 2,828 points had been scored by this very point.

We always do the Matthew. That's a 182 point difference. Part of it may be all these illegal procedure penalties. The penalties paloozas. The crazy thing is the average starting field position, thanks to the dynamic kickoff, is up three and a half yards. The average starting field position through four weeks is 28.6 yard line. That's where it started. That's up three and a half yards than last year.

And still, the points are so difficult to score. Here's how bad it has been. The Denver Broncos yesterday became the first team in the Super Bowl era to have four players with one or more receiving yards and zero or negative yards receiving.

I saw that. They became only the sixth team since 1954 to have two players with two or more receptions in a game and still have negative receiving yards in that game. Boatnick's had 60 yards yesterday. We have seen nine teams with zero touchdowns in a game so far this year. Two of them won, by the way.

Come on. Yes, two years ago the entire season we had only 29 teams have zero touchdown games. We've already had a third of them this year and the same number of teams that year that went zero touchdowns. There were two of them won. We've already seen two teams win that way. That's not the way you want to see teams win.

No. The most mind-blowing stat though, we've talked about it, you've heard about it, I'm sure it's got the fact that you've heard about it and it's been talked about and I'm still keeping it number one just shows you how mind-blowing it is. The Washington commanders have more scoring drives than incompletions.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's mind-blowing. And it's a rookie quarterback doing it. Jayden Daniels had a game with 20 or more pass attempts in an 85 completion game or better in week three. Would you believe he became the first player to follow it up with the same game in the history of the Super Bowl era? That's how good he is.

And that's how good it's translating. I repeat again, 23 scoring drives, 19 incompletions through four weeks. I've never heard anything like it once in three games.

I've never heard anything like it. That's my top five list. Do you think we need one more? All right, we'll get one more.

This one Cooper came out with, he told me this, dad, you know this? The Harbaughs are both two and two, but neither of one are lost on the same day. What? One started two and O, the other one went O and two. The next one won his next two. The other one lost the next two. Wow.

It got to the same point, but totally different paths. Go figure that on day one, one guy had it better than the other. It's mind-blowing. Second day.

They're both two and two, and neither of them won or lost on the same day. Wow. Wow. That's my top five list. Okay, that's a good list. Food for thought.

Rich, the one I threw out in the group chat yesterday, Reid against Harbaugh, first time a defending Super Bowl champion and then defending national champion from college had ever met in a game. Go figure that. Okay. That was crazy.

I like it. That's true. That'll never happen again. Probably not. I know. Probably not. Right?

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That's bluenile.com. All right, back here on our show. It looks like Jordan Palmer is not the only guy who wants to come on the show or slated to come on the show for a I told you so moment. Chris Long is going to be back on our program to kick us off tomorrow.

Talk about tonight's games and the rest of the week. Well, that he he called me out on his green light pod just today. Oh, no.

Yeah. Say what? Said it to Rich Eisen. He's like, come on the show Tuesday. And he's my boy. I love rich. I'm going on a show again tomorrow. But he did the thing and I've imitated him five times now where he's like, are the bills the best team in the AFC, Chris?

And I'm like, it's not even Halloween, Rich. And this is why I said some at some point this year, they're going to run into a team. That's going to be a bad matchup for the defense because they're down guys. And they're just they're not built big. They're not a big group. Okay. They came in and said, we're going to check your chin and it worked.

And the bills just they missed their chances to stay in it. And I appreciate the take. But is that an invitation to me? Because he, he just went a little higher register his voice up here like this. Was he was that an invitation? Yeah.

Do I sound like that? Remember that one guy who did do an imitation of you, though? Oh, I know.

It messed with me. I forgot about that, dude. Till just now. He was wearing like the quarter zip, right? Yeah.

It's eleven fifty one and thirty two seconds here on the road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I didn't find it funny.

I forgot about that guy. I didn't think it was funny either. I thought I'm not imitatable. Like I'm I don't think I'm somebody easy to imitate.

Well, depends on how good the person is. That guy nailed it, though. Yeah.

Yeah. I got me off my game for a couple of days, too. You know, I screw up, screw up. I'm rich.

I'm here on the rich Ozzenshire one fifty to ten here. Guys, I'm I'm finishing up today's Monday program by calling the fight. Oh, calling the fight in Pittsburgh, PA. Yeah, man, for sure. Justin Fields yesterday. Three hundred twelve yards passing a touchdown pass. He ran to win a passer rating of one hundred and four. And he's the ninth quarterback in the history of the NFL to have a game with three hundred or more passing yards, one or more passing touchdowns, fifty or more rushing yards. He had fifty five and two or more rushing touchdowns. There you go.

It's the tenth occurrence because only one guy did it twice. And his name is Steve Young. Justin Fields doing Steve Young stuff, guys, OK, and just game four. And yesterday when Joe Flacco, God bless this guy, man, comeback player of the year, gave you what you were talking about. I wanted to have been saying for weeks, like, hey, when are they going to sit Anthony Richardson and put Flacco in there? And I'm like, they are not sitting Anthony Richardson. They're going to make sure he takes his lumps.

I meant figuratively, not literally. He has a hip injury. And Joe Flacco is basically like, if I took over somebody's podcast and they've only done the podcast like six times, you know, I'll be like, I'll I'll take it from here.

You know what I mean? Like, he's just like, let me show you how it's done, kids. And he's not an RPO guy. There's no run option with him. And he's lighting up the Steelers like he's back playing for the Ravens back in the day, putting a bag on Beshati's desk saying, fill it up. And who's the guy who damn near pulled it off for the Steelers? Justin Fields. Because he was all that plus the biscuit had Pickens not had his pocket picked inside the five. They might've won that thing and been 4-0.

That was so weird. Yeah. Russell Wilson is not going to start for the Steelers unless Justin Fields gets hurt guys. And I mean tomorrow on tomorrow's show, when Tomlin is asked about this and he might give the answer of, you know, Russ is still hurt. And so I, until he's available, I'm not going to, I'm not going to answer it. But the only reason why you want to ask him this question is you just want to hear him say the words of something we all see. I mean, why does he have to name it? Because every week he doesn't name him the official starter. God gets better.

So why does he have to come out and say it now? And next week against your Cowboys, when Justin Fields doesn't have to run away from Micah Parsons or Tank Lawrence, look out, sir. Steve Young might have company in the number of times it's been done multiply. This trifecta.

Actually, I left off one. The what? Quinnell?

I don't know what it is. Anyway, Justin Fields is a starter in Pittsburgh. On the market, rookie or money. And you can make just 6% on a deal. You can retire next month. The BiggerPockets podcast are on YouTube or wherever you listen.

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