Bryce Young Being Benched Is Stunning

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That's how we've been rolling today. Baker Mayfield just had some interesting comments about Bryce Young. And Steve Young was a guest of the What the Football podcast with Suzy Schuster and Amy Trask yesterday. Some really great stuff from him on Bryce Young, as well as Tua. Mike McDaniel also speaking on that front. We got a lot of sound bites to work through before we say goodbye to you here on the Roku Sports Channel. And this Rich Eisen show, Terrestrial Radio affiliate, Sirius XM, Odyssey, Tune In and more. But we say hello to our next guest, a man who sat in this chair expertly when I was not here many a moon ago.

The host of the Nothing personal podcast and former executive of the Marlins. Good to see you, David Sampson. How are you, brother? How are you? Nice round of applause. It's not bad. Why are they asking you for a bag of candy like it's Halloween?

What do I miss? This is David's thing, man. What, do you have a bag of candy? I think when I sat in your chair while any day, yes, I always have a bag of candy, but for 20 minutes or 40 minutes, I don't have it with me.

But I did it very in the hotel this morning and I will be able to get back to it when we're done. I was wondering like trick or treat. Giant bag.

Giant. It's all from childhood when I wasn't allowed to have candy except on Halloween. And then I was allowed to have one piece as long as it was wrapped. And I had only till Thanksgiving. And then I had to throw it all away. Sounds like you were raised by a Jewish mother.

It certainly does. But I have good teeth now, I guess. Very good. Well, any specific candy that we're talking about here?

Jelly beans, black jelly beans, licorice jelly beans. Good and plenty. Good and plenty. So you're good and plenty over good over the fruit and fruity.

Yeah. No, no. It's good and fruity and good and plenty. You go good and plenty. I go good and plenty. And I don't do any of the dots or any of the things that can actually ruin your teeth. Okay. I don't want the sticky stuff. Good to know.

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It was as big as your coffee mug. But to be a guest on the show, I decided to go fully ringless. And I did offer a trade of the World Series ring for the wedding ring, but it didn't work.

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All right. So we've got ourselves a surprising tight race here for the American League wildcard. The Tigers are coming on strong. And man, if they make it instead of the Twins, AJ Hinch would be the manager of a team going against the Houston Astros.

Sign me up for that one, sir. That would be amazing with all due respect to the Twins and their fans. The saddest thing for me is that it's after Miguel's gone.

And we talked a lot. Miguel Cabrera, he signed that huge contract and it really became an albatross. And I hate to say that about Miguel because he's a first ballad hall of famer. But the Tigers are just a different team this year. And AJ Hinch got the opportunity to manage again after he was fired with the whole garbage can scandal. They have a good team. They have the likely Cy Young winner as their starting pitcher.

And they have a Twins team that they've struggled a bit of late. So Schoobel you think is the American League Cy Young going into the final 10 days of the season here? I'm afraid he's going to win.

And I say, what do you mean afraid? If you gave me a choice, I think Cy Young should be the best pitcher. Give me a choice. Who do I want on my team? I want Emmanuel Classe.

I want the best closer in the game because being in a clubhouse after a blown save, it is the worst feeling in the world. Yeah, we were talking before you sat down, Brockman pointing out. Go ahead and say your point, Chris. I don't know. We don't talk a lot about the Guardians. Jose Ramirez is most likely going to get a 40-40 this year and there's not a peep about it. Because we're going to see 50-50. Because everyone's just hung up on Otani 50-50 watch. There's such Otani mania. And I'm not an Otani hater.

I can't believe what I watch with him. But if it's to the detriment of some of the other great stories in baseball, I don't like that. And the Guardians, it is a small market. There's no question. But to be good the way they are, the Royals, the Guardians, the Twins, there's a bunch of small revenue teams that are doing really well. But it's being overshadowed by the Yankees and Dodgers, which makes baseball happy.

But there's some good stories out there. But about Otani. Exactly. But about Otani, do you think it's, I mean, Dave Roberts was kind of coy. Is he really thinking of pitching Otani? Coming back from Tommy John surgery in a in a all or nothing situation potentially in a playoffs? Do you really think that's possible? It would be insanity.

Why? Now relievers can come back faster. There is no question about that. But here's the investment they made for him to pitch every five days. But this year to get them through with the bullpen looking the way it is, I'm not saying they're going to start them against some team. But why not have them come in in the ninth inning and treat everybody like he treated Mike Trout in the World Baseball Classic like that would be it's great way to do it, right?

It's great theater. But desperation is such an awful cologne and the Dodgers are desperate. They need to win. They view their title in 20 is sort of a an asterisk bubble title. They do it that way. They do. If you if you would ask them, it's the same way. I think that LeBron James, I think that he would say I'd like to win one with the Lakers.

That's not COVID related. And I think people in the industry as a fan, you love it. They won the title. But for the Dodgers, they're not a dynasty. If they've won one ring, they have many rings as I do since 2000. Is that right? I think that you're correct.

And the I think the Yankees have as many rings as I do. But anyway, I digress. Why would you put a player at risk?

It's very different. The reason we didn't like players in the World Baseball Classic is think about Ohtani Trout. They're dialing it up like it's July and it's only March. Ohtani would be doing the same thing. Well, but again, you'd have to if he feels good and they feel good about it and you he can give you an inning like you're not going to maybe throw him on back to back nights, but he can give you an inning to give you a win in a, you know, second round of the playoffs, which the Dodgers are going to make automatically, right?

Like you you got to think hard about that. If you have that ability, certainly with the lineup, you're assuming with him in that lineup, they're not going to have the same hitting problems in October as they've had historically, one would think. It's baseball. It's baseball.

You do not know. And the way to get through, though, is to have 90 guys who can throw 100 miles an hour coming out of the pen and take a one run lead from the third inning and make it cash. And you got Ohtani, you got to think hard about that, sir.

Boy, it sounds tempting the way you lay it out. The problem is that this season ends in October either way, and then you're only a few months from spring training. And for the Dodgers to have sustained return on investment, the Ohtani investment both on and off the field, you need him both pitching and hitting. It's been great what he's done this year as a DH, but they didn't sign him to be the DH.

And so my only concern would be going into that clubhouse. You can't ask the player. They lie to you.

They do nothing. Oh, I'm fine. I'm ready to go. No one wants to get taken out of a game. Everyone who's injured says they're ready to come back.

So you can't use that. So then you have to think, is it in the best interests of our team? Short term, the way you lay it out, it sounds amazing.

But the short term turns into mid and long term very, very quickly. So who do you put your marker on in the National League to make the World Series? The Mets have an Acuna of their own now out of the blue. That's true.

Holy cow. And it looks like they're going to beat out the Braves. Obviously, I'm sorry to put the Ziggy on a TJ like that. Get ahead of yourself. The Padres are 20 over since the All-Star Game. The Phillies are the Phillies.

So I just name a few. There's always the Brewers lying out there. And the Diamondbacks made it last year out of the blue. Who do you have in the National League?

I like the step process. And the step process to me means that the Phillies are ready. And I think that I look at their team. I look at a short series and a long series when you can go Nola Wheeler and then you have Sanchez Suarez starting pitching matters. They're a bullpen.

It's going to be okay. And their lineup, JT is hitting 260, 250 right now, down at the bottom of the lineup and he's the best catcher in baseball. I think that Harper wants the ring. I think they're going to be in the World Series.

Okay. Now let's talk American League. The Yankees have caught fire of late or at least, you know, it just seems like that they're winning two out of three.

It ain't bad. Well, I mean, you know, and the Clay Holmes creative bullpen that they've created seems to be working right now. Soto had his 40th home run last night. He and Judge might combine for a hundred on the season when it's all said and done. I'll tell you, just as a Yankee fan, the Garrett Cole giving Rafael Devers a free pass over the weekend is the last thing I want to see going into the playoffs, even though they're not going to face Devers. Like what the hell was that all about? But it's all positive, I think.

Except that. Well, that and who knows what's going to happen with their closer or the bullpen, but it seems like everybody seems to have problems like that. What, how do you handicap the American League going into this? So just to make you feel better in the postseason, as you know, when the Dodgers won the World Series, wasn't it Urias who was on the mound to finish the World Series as a starter? So often you move your starters into the bullpen. So I'm not as worried about Holmes. I don't know that I would give him the ball necessarily in the ninth inning in a playoff game, but the Yankees offense when Judge and Soto are going, they are hard to beat when Stan is healthy, which he is.

It makes it almost like a murderer's row. And there's something about the Yankees, though, that they just have not been able to get over the top with this team. So what's the difference this year? Soto and Juan Soto is someone who doesn't have a free agent contract. He hasn't signed. He's wanted to sign for years. He's wanted that long term deal.

Remember, he turned down the Nationals deal for 440 and he's been offered and promised more by his agent Scott Boris. He wants a World Series ring in this platform year. I love the Yankees making it to October and the dream for baseball would be Yankees Dodgers. That is, they go to bed at night dreaming about that possibility. They really do. I mean, I've better things to dream about, but this is the year where it really is the most possible given those teams that it could happen. So you like the Yankees to make the World Series out of the American League?

For real? You know what happens? You know, they take on the Guardians and Steve Kwan, you know, bloops one over Chisholm's head and then suddenly winds up on second. They scratch out a run or two. Yankees, you know, they walk Soto.

They walk Judge. Nobody else hits or they get a lead and, you know, Klay Holmes blows it. I mean, like, I just gave you a nightmare scenario, but that's a way for the Yankees to not make it.

Actually, that's sort of a Tuesday scenario. The question is, will that happen in October? And it's happened for years. I think the last time in the World Series is 09. So and it's not that they have low payrolls. It's not that they have bad teams. It's just that every year something seems to happen in October to them. And I'm just one of these years. If it doesn't happen, how do you keep booing around?

How do you keep cashmen around? Eventually you have to pay the price. And I think they can avoid it by winning the pennant this year. Do you think the Yankees need to win the pennant or the World Series to keep Soto? Oh, I don't think that that's related at all.

I don't think no. I think it's a matter of whether Hal Steinbrenner goes full George or not, because meaning Hal has tried his whole career as an owner to not be his father. He showed way more patience than George ever did. He is not on the cover of the Post every day the way George was.

It's just a different way. If he was his dad, Boone would have been fired and rehired and fired and this would be he'd be on his third run with the Yankees right now if it was true. So true. But, you know, I eventually tell you that speaking on behalf of Yankee fans, if they lose Soto because Hal doesn't pony up the most for him, then I don't then then I don't know how to respond to something like that. And I understand TJ's Mets are owned by, you know, Bobby Axelrod, even though everybody involved with billions and Cohen says he ain't him. Okay.

I don't care. Like that's the New York Yankees. They've got the yes network. You can make a case the Yankees are what the second most lucrative operation that Hal's part of.

He and he and Jerry Jones are part of a group together that that puts names on stadiums around the world. Come on now. You can't be outspent.

If you're, if you're how for Juan Soto, you just can't, you're not going to believe this, but the Yankees are actually not all that profitable operationally. And I know you're not gonna believe it. So I mean, we can debate and talk about it, but I knew it. I knew it.

I knew it. So let me just say please enlighten the yes network in terms of their profit that comes from that it is true that it used to actually pour out money because we as the Marlins would want some of that. We, the Yankees were always hiding that to show that they were operationally losing money, but they were making money with this hand, the Red Sox would do that with Nesson, but the world's changed a, their ownership in the yes. Network is way lower than you would think. It's not a hundred percent.

It's not even close. They have partners. And B as you know, regional sports networks in the toilet, they're just not generating the amount of money they used to all of that said, Boris is in the best position ever as Soto's agent. He's got Steve Cohen against Hal Steinbrenner, Yankees against Mets. It's like, it's a dream come true for any single agent and player. The other thing that you should think about, which is why I think he'll stay with the Yankees is that Steve Cohen is nearing the end of five years owning the team. And when you own a team for that amount, when you buy a team, I don't want to get too technical, but you get amazing tax benefits, amazing for five years. And then those major benefits go away.

So all of the losses that Steve Cohen has had, he's been able to really deal with very, very smartly and well. But if you listen to Steve Cohen, he's not interested in running these $300 million payrolls going forward. They just don't have the revenue for it.

Oh, hold on a sec. So when you say taxes, you're talking about within major league baseball or just the federal and state IRS, IRS, you get, it's something called depreciation amortization. When you buy a team, you get to depreciate player contracts. It's the craziest thing. It's, it's not against the law.

It's actually right there. So that party's about to end is what that party ends. And when that party ends your taxes as an owner look way different, way different. Is that why David Tepper's is firing coaches? David Tepper's firing coaches because he is the most meddling, unsuccessful owner.

He finally has made our ownership group look so good, which is, I mean, how hard is that? Sounds like, do you know the man? Do you know David? No, that's why it's nothing personal.

He may be the greatest guy in the world. I'm saying going through cycling through and the whole thing with Bryce Young was priceless. Oh, the coach said, oh, we, he wasn't involved.

Can you imagine? He said that he spoke, Canales said that he spoke to the owner, but he wasn't going to reveal what he said. But my point is if you're the owner, if you're Tepper, you're telling the coach, I hired you to fix the guy. I, I, I okayed, you know, Bryce over CJ. Cause I enjoyed the young man when I got to meet him and I had, you know, dinner with him and his whole crew. And I, you know, and, but you, you know, the, the people who I had were telling me, he's the guy, he's the kid. And I spent all this, you know, cash, it's almost 40 million in cash that this, all these deals cost DJ Moore.

I, I, I okayed all of these, um, portions of the, of the acquisition. And you told me you could fix them. And now you're telling me we should bench him.

You can't tell me Tepper told him to bench the kid. Is that what you're a thousand percent? That's what I'm saying? Come on.

You think that the coach went to the owner and said, you know what? Yesterday, I said, he's my guy, but I went to bed. I had some dreams.

I woke up this morning. He's not my guy. I want Andy Dalton.

David, is there any chance you'll let me do that? Come on the owner. This is I've seen an owner do this. Our owner did it. With who? Uh, let's, let's start with what he did with Miguel Cabrera, forcing call-ups.

Pudge Rodriguez signed him. These are the ones that worked. The ones that didn't work were the signings, name every one of our catchers from Salta Lamakia on to John Buck, two guys who I like very well, Heath Bell, Mark Burley, the extra year. And these are, my point is he's not the only owner who does this. Owners get involved, but they only want to get credit when things work. When things don't work, they say, Hey, we weren't involved. So you're saying you're, cause my opinion would be this kid's gotta work because if this kid doesn't work, then what the hell did we trade all these people for?

And what the hell did we do last year? And if this, this has got a cash. And so you're saying he's now just completely reverse course. He's embarrassed. He looks at his team and he reads, owners read stuff.

They watch your show. They pay attention to things that often people in the front office are not paying as much attention to. And so he's quite embarrassed as he should be. So you can't picture him going in after that game and saying, that's it. I don't want to see him anymore. You think the coach who was brought in to fix him had the gall to go to the owner and say, maybe, I know, I know that sounds crazy. I know that sounds crazy.

It's two weeks. Or he's going in to say, going into the the, the, the presence saying, this is our quarterback. Cause he knows the owner won't countenance anything else. And he goes in and he just has an epiphany and saying, we can't do this right now.

That's a weird night, isn't it? I mean, listen, is it possible that he did have that change of heart and, and, and convince the owner and the GM in one set of meetings to change like that? That sounds fantastic. I know that that doesn't sound real. And it sounds more real to have one of the most, you know, with a track record, impetuous individuals come in and make an impetuous move. Like you're benching the kid. And that's what owners do. And they say, and when you say, Hey, can you sleep on it? Owners don't like sleeping on stuff.

They, they like to be at the height of their emotion, making decisions. And your job as the president of a team is to try to stop that, but you can't stop it every time. What do you think is best? What do you think is my scenario or David's scenario? Oh, I, I think you think David's scenario, I think Tepper was 100% involved.

TJ. No, I know he's involved, but I mean, of course he's involved. Uh, the guy is emotional and making hair trigger decisions.

Well, I think about though, if you're the coach, right? That kid guy. And, um, he wasn't your guy.

Right. So I, do you feel he had that connection to him? He was hired. He was hired to be that guy.

I know. But when you get there, maybe he's like, look, what do you want me to do? You could add CJ shroud. Then you gave me, you gave me this guy.

What am I supposed to do? He also has a six year contract. Yeah, but Tepper will pay off anybody. No matter what. Hey, Ben's your kid. Great. I'm getting paid.

Cool. Andy Dalton. Let's go win some games. That's true. We loved pain managers not to manage.

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Get it wherever you get your podcasts. So just to wrap it up, you are taking Yankees Phillies or Yankees Dodgers. You said Philly. I'm doing Yankees Phillies, but baseball wants Yankees Dodgers.

I understand. So holy chase Utley Batman. We got ourselves a rematch there. Craig Kimball just got DF aid.

What do you think? Baltimore slightly panicked. I think Kimball just gave up six runs the other night. Uh, he has been pretty ineffective and the Orioles have seen their lead over the Yankees disappear. They're now a wildcard team for back of the Yankees now with 11 to play. So it's done, but they will be a wildcard team, but he is not.

They don't want to give him the ball at the end of games. And that's the end. Listen, I know the Royals aren't killing too many people lately either.

But when you think the way that they're playing right now, the Royals take out the O's if they face each other right now. Feels like it. Right. Bobby went back to back 30 thirties. First time ever for a shortstop. You know, our new friend Vinnie Pasquantino.

What's up, Vinnie? He'd be the MVP, but for judge. Right.

Yeah, I agree. He's that good. And he signed long-term by a low revenue team. We loved meeting him. We loved it. We met him in Kansas City. We had him on. He was great. And he brought Vinnie with him too because Vinnie told him to do this show because he take, he watches the show because he, uh, he likes my jets takes. He showed up with an AFC championship t-shirt from 1981. Yes. Vintage. When's your next vacation?

I missed it here. By the way, Susie says the same thing to me too. You know, not because she wants to go on vacation with me. She wants the same thing you want, which is to sit in this chair. She likes. Sorry, David.

I mean, she, Susie kind of has unfortunately for you. No, no, no, no, no. We love you. We, we love the rotation that we have with Susie and you and Tom Pelissero and, uh, Mike Hill and Kirk Morrison. Yep. Right.

And just Siciliano. So, um, thanks for coming on, sir. I'll let you know. Thanks for letting me know you're in town. It's great to see you. It's always good to be here. It's good to see everyone. Nothing personal podcast right here with David Sampson on the rich eyes and show. All right. So, uh, boy, there's lots going on in the national football league.

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And and and Chris Long retweeted saying show it to Bryce Young as as motivation. Right. OK. You know, I mean, like you can move on and still find success. Right. Therefore, no quarterbacks in different places. Right. Exactly. Right. And so Baker Mayfield was asked about Bryce Young today.

And his opinion of of. The number one overall pick, just like Baker. Being benched two games into the season and 18 games overall, it still is one of the most stunning. Benchings, I can recall.

In the in in in the end, and I know he's looked lost and he's looked terrible, and the fact that he needs to take a break, like you can make a case like the guy needs to be. Given a breather. Right. But first overall picks are not supposed to need breathers. Right.

Right. But the Saints eviscerated him and the Chargers did too. And we heard Daniel Jeremiah come on earlier this week, saying he's missing high school throws that he made in high school easy.

And now he's even making. Mistakes are having trouble completing those. This is what Baker Mayfield had to say. Obviously, mine didn't happen in the same time frame with Bryce, but quarterbacks hard, especially for young guys, when you're not surrounded with the pieces that are not given the opportunity to have success. And so that's a lot of the time guys have the talent. They might have the brains, but they don't have the right opportunity, the right fit. I mean, I'm sitting here right now and in a way better fit than the other places I've been. And that's that's not to put other teams down, but it's a matter of the pieces around you, the coaches and for Bryce, a guy that, you know, I can relate to this, finding that belief within yourself again, and he'll get it.

His story is far, far from finished. I love hearing that, and it's it's excellent advice. I just don't know if it's going to happen with Carolina. Because Daniel said it's one of the worst rosters he's seen too, because you need to surround, which is why Caleb Williams, so much sky high hopes for him as he's got weapons all over the place.

I guess when Keenan Allen gets healthy, they'll, they'll be full compliment. But you can have weapons, but no offensive line. You can have no offensive line and you can have weapons. You can have a coach that's on the line and you can have a coach that's on the line and you can have a coach that's on a hot seat, which is why you've been drafted so damn high. And that coach gets bounced. Or you got an owner that bounces the coach that is hired specifically for you to be drafted, like Frank Reich was in last year in Carolina. And he gets fired in the middle of the season. And then, you know, hire somebody who's never done it before. And at a head coaching level in Dave Canales and for whatever reason, you know, with a new offense, they didn't play him in the season until the last game against a bunch of Bills players that didn't even make the team.

And so, you know, there is a nature versus nurture situation. There's no question about it. Sam Darnold comes into the league and, and it's crazy. We keep talking about how it wasn't a good fit for the Jets.

Do you know who Sam Darnold's first coach in the, in the NFL was? Baker Mayfield's current one, where it's a great fit because the players are all there. And also talk about a great fit. It's amazing how these things work.

If you told Baker Mayfield, this is a great fit for you. It's, it's you following. And yet. It's working. Right. And the part of the great fit is they have a general manager in Jason Leiter.

It's like, we're going to move heaven and earth and ask everybody to just, you know, collectively buy in and bring everybody back, everybody back. Let's keep the band together. And then Sam Darnold gets a new situation in Minnesota. You take a look at, at, at, at the NFC North, two quarterbacks in the NFC North are all high draft choices. Goff one, Darnold three that had to go find something somewhere else. And another 2-0 quarterback is Geno Smith, who had a decade in between opportunities. And the crazy thing is that through line between this guy's opportunity, like Geno Smith and it's being successful and Baker Mayfield's opportunity for success and being successful is the guy who helped spark them both is the guy who just benched Bryce Young and was hired to make him work.

And it's not a fit there just yet. Crazy. Can't make it up.

Can't make it up. Zach Wilson's first opportunity. How'd that work for him?

Not so much. Justin Fields' first opportunity. How'd that work out? So just because you're on another opportunity, it's just, again, you're not supposed to be you're, you're, you're not supposed to be benched 18 games into your career after your first overall pick. I mean, what did Troy start off after he went one and 15? Was he 0-2?

I have to look that up. You know, Jimmy wasn't going to bench him, but he also had Irv with Emmett around the corner. Well, remember Steve Walsh came in so he could have, you know, been benched.

Didn't work out. Yeah, let's see. Troy was 0-11 in his rookie year. Right. And then his next year.

I mean, could you imagine? Yeah, but what did they start? No, they won the first game.

Okay, there you go. And then lost the next three. So they were 1-3. So he was, Troy Aikman started his career 1-14. Correct.

Bryce Young, 2-16, benched. But, you know, the talent level is a different story. Both first overall drafted quarterbacks, totally different.

I mean, there is a nature versus nurture aspect to this. No doubt. Now, we just went over the whole Bryce Young scenario that's been played out. Steve Young was on What the Football with Suzy Schuster and Amy Trask. Great com- I mean, superb conversations. Awful announcing.

Just posted a really great write-up about it. Man, I love Steve Young. One thing, though, I want to play for you in support of this show and pod that you can see on the Rich Eisen Show YouTube channel, as well as getting it wherever you get your audio podcasts, was Steve on the subject matter of Brock Purdy coming off of his first loss of the season. And, you know, no Deebo now on top of no McCaffrey. And Suzy asked Steve what the offense will look like now over the next couple weeks. And they're taking on the Minnesota Vikings this week. I mean, they just, pardon me, they took on the Minnesota Vikings last week. They're taking on the Rams this week and the Rams home opener. The Rams on a Pukka and Cooper Cup. But anyway, Steve's answer about what the Niners offense needs to look like with Brock Purdy and what they should do at Brock certainly was of interest. If you were to finish the sentence with Deebo and McCaffrey out, the Niners offense will?

Efficiency is their game. Now, if Brock wanted to and Kyle wanted to lean into Brock being more dynamic, in other words, let's have Brock run the ball out of the huddle. Let's have him run the sweep. Let's have him run the quarterback draw. Let's figure out how to do the RPOs and really take advantage of it.

That's not the game right now. And if we were going to do that, now's the time with injury to kind of start to think about Brock being the, you know, the 11th rusher out of, you know, the guy that can rush the football out of the huddle. But it just, I think right now, what you described as soon as your question is, if they're going to stay with the same plan, then the demand for Brock is even greater. He has to be even more honed on his efficiency to find players that aren't necessarily the top of their, you know, the top of the game like Deebo, the top of the game like CMC. And now I've got to figure out how to get the ball to them, have them get open, and I'm going to inevitably, Susie, he's going to have to do more. He's going to have to move around more. He's going to have to put himself at risk more, and he's going to have to do things that aren't necessarily his strong suit. And that might provide great things in the future for the, you know, when they get the Super Bowl this year. I have to face Patrick Holmes or face Lamar Jackson. The thing about the 49ers, when they face Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, any big, strong, quote-un-typical quarterback today, they lose. So getting their guy more like that, under duress, like with injuries, might be a good thing. We'll see how it goes.

What do you think of that one, huh? They lose against a guy that, like those other guys, get pretty up to speed in that respect by giving him another weapon, his legs, which we know we've had fun with how, you know, what Kittles said, that he's got the Pokemon version of Bose's thighs, you know? I mean, I don't know.

It's kind of crazy. He'd say, let's put him at risk when you got Josh Dobbs, the Pastronaut behind him. Unleash him a little bit. Why not?

Right? Guys are out. Guys are gonna have to step up.

Might as well have one of them be the quarterback. And he says, well, there's injuries right now, and so you got, what are you going to do with McCaffrey out? Well, we're going to run Jordan Mason, and then we're going to start running Deebo more. Well, Deebo's out. So you replace Deebo with Purdy running it. Because he has that game in him, man.

He does. At least out in the playoffs. At the Rams, home for the Patriots, home for the Cardinals, at the Seahawks are their next four with the Chiefs and Cowboys and Bucks behind them.

Oh my goodness. And visits to Green Bay and Buffalo wrapped around their series finisher with Seattle. That's the way we're going all the way into December. I mean, he'd like to win four of those, but three and three before the bye, I think is pretty realistic. Get healthy after the bye week and hit the home stretch. So you'd be four and four going into the bye.

Yeah, I think that's probably pie in the sky. Just an interesting thought right there from Steve Young is let's run them and then you'll be better off against the biggest quarterbacks in the game that you've been losing to if you've got Purdy having more of a dynamic game around him. A little bit more of a threat, two-way threat. Certainly when your normal threat would be McCaffrey and Debo is your two-way threats. Running and catching. Right. You can do both things at an extremely high level. So you'll replace them with a guy who can run it and throw it.

Throw it and run it. We'll get a little more hurt, you know, dimension to Purdy's game. Wouldn't that be something? Steve Young was also quite eloquent on the Tua Tungo Vailoa front. As a matter of fact, while they were recording the pod, Tua was placed on injured reserve and they got Steve's fresh thoughts on that.

So definitely check out the What the Football pod with Suzy and Amy. It's really a great conversation. You like that move?

Putting two on IR? Absolutely. We got to give him some time, man. I agree. Give him some time to literally and figuratively clear his head.

You have. I mean, and instead, could you imagine they're like, well, he passed concussion protocol. Yeah, he's back out there. You've heard him say the word is that he wants to keep playing. Yep. And I have heard that for him to make his injury guaranteed money, he's got to be told you can't play.

Right. So if he goes, you know what? I've thought about it.

I'm kind of cleared, but I just don't want to do it anymore. I've been told it's possible he doesn't get that injury guaranteed money. Give up up to 120 million. So that's why you might be hearing he still wants to play or he just still wants to play because he's a football player.

I don't know what that situation is. We'll see that play out. So let's IR him.

Four games. Skyler Thompson going into Seattle. That's not an easy spot for him, but here's what Mike McDaniel had to say today about the latest news that broke on Tuesday about injured reserve for Tua. Did Tua try to fight you on it at all or was this something that he was totally on board with? Well, I'd hope if he was fighting me, I'd be bruised up.

Um, because you know, I'm just not that physically imposing. The great thing about, um, uh, IR is there's for a month time, there's no timelines. And I always say that, but I'm not sure if it, people quite understand, like w if you set a timeline based upon the information you have today, how much of whatever goes on is fulfilling the prophecy of that timeline. And is that the right thing? Um, that that's, especially with, with competitors and stuff that can get, um, sometimes you can do more harm than good. Um, I think regardless not worrying about anything, um, as it relates to timelines is very empowering for him as a human being, um, to, uh, you know, recover from injury. And that's, and that's steadfast. The only motivating factor that you have when you're dealing with players and their careers and their injuries.

That makes total sense to me. I know for some that might be like, sounds like a bunch of, you know, gobbledygook or whatever, but it makes sense that for a month, there's no timeline. We're not worried about a timeline. When's he going to come back or, wow, that didn't look very good offensively. You're going to rush him back.

Is he thinking about coming back or what's the latest on this whole thing? And let's, let's be all over you and the organization and to get an answer. We need an answer because look at the way scholar Thompson's playing.

There's no time on folks. We have IR'ed him. This thing is now given free reign for a month to be run down and, and, and looked at by medical staff and let him, let him think about it. So makes total sense to me.

Just remove him from the equation because what we saw was frightening. And if he's thinking about playing again, then let's get it, let's get a clear month and figure that whole thing out. And what does it mean? And what do the experts say?

Independent and staff and medical. Let's give it some time. My goodness. So, you know, I don't know what they're going to do if, if scholar Thompson doesn't perform well, but I mean, the guy is, he played a playoff game. Didn't look all that great, but we'll see. And I'll forget it. Don't even put the schedule up because we're, we're, we're, we're, we're just going to give the guy a month and we'll see what happens with the Miami Dolphins. So I'm, I'm, I'm glad to have heard about the IR'ing of Tua actually. We'll take a break.

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They are. I love it. I just love it. They love Burrow and they're just- As they should. They're fun. They're fun fan base. They sure are. And Dan Quinn said some great things too.

And Bruce Feldman, some fun, like great deep conversation about Arch and David Sampson about the baseball playoffs and his two cents about what David Tepper might be doing behind the scenes right in Carolina. But here is the sound bite of the day though. Hit it. Go ahead and hit it. Hey, TJ.

Listen, I'm golfing here with Rich and I told him that we both had a bad week, but damn your week was way worse than ours. Damn. Karl-Anthony Towns, Eagle fan. Ignorant. Who won yesterday?

Ignorant Eagle fans. And you're not even close. You didn't keep score?

How did you make yourself by height? I don't play enough. I'm terrible. I'm not- That's what the index is for. But it's not like, it's just not worth it. And we were just hacking around, having fun. Not everything's got to be, you know, five bucks a man and all that. Then what's the point?

What do you know what's the point? It's a beautiful day. We're playing golf.

It's a beautiful day. I played nine yesterday. No big deal. Did you? Oh, so you were occupied.

I was local. You'll keep score. How do you measure yourself against other golfers?

By height usually? You're going to lose that one against him every time. I mean, it was just an absolutely beautiful day. It was. It really was. In case you're saying it really wasn't a beautiful day, look at the sunlight back there.

Look at the scenery. It really wasn't. TJ. And I told him that we both had a bad week. But damn, your week was way worse than ours.

Damn. I mean, the Eagles, they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. It was right there. We got our butt kicked from bell to bell. Back here in the Rich Eisen Show, having a good time.

Some of you are. Happier times with TJ and Karl Anthony. I'm going to have to call in some seven foot backup. TJ, I already stopped trolling you earlier in the season.

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National Football League, National Football Conference, Northern Division. Review here. We got a whole roundup. News round up. News round up. Oh, go ahead. Hit the breaking news. There we go. Oh, you got to find it.

You got to get it. Hit it, Mike. Because my eyes see something. My eyes see something in Green Bay. In my eyes see.

Number 10. Breaking news. There we go. Boom. No, no, no.

That wasn't a good one. Oh, my eyes see. What are we doing over there? There's 50 of them here. I mean, I see breaking news. I mean, we did that 10 minutes ago. You know, who's practicing for the Green Bay Packers? Taking on the Tennessee Titans.

His name is Jordan Love. Let's see. Let's see. All right.

He's got the rap on the left knee. Let's see. Looks good.

Not really moving around. Here we go. Okay. Here's two things.

First of all, that looks good. He'll need to have a little bit more giddy up if that's Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah, because he's big and fast. So, like, you know, we pick it up a little bit.

That's the way, as you know, we're experts on taking a look at somebody coming back from injury. Oh, we have more video of Jordan Love. More video of Jordan Love. Hold on a minute.

This is all right. What's he doing? Looks like he's moving in some music or what?

Or is this just some sort of conditioning drill? I don't know. All right. All right.

He's working on something. He's going to have to, you know, if he has those moves in the pocket, move out, you know, if that's Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah, yeah.

We don't want any part of Jeffrey Simmons. Okay. That's better than that. Hey, that looks like you're talking three to six. Maybe it could be the three, not the six. That looks like one to three. Oh, is that okay?

One to three. That'll be nice for the Green Bay Packers. Don't want to rush, though. By the way, if you got the floor saying, don't worry, we got this thing. We'll just run it 90 million times for 3,000 yards.

Mikey, that'd be nice for our Rams Packers reset. That's right. Oh, you get this thing on?

Is this thing? It is clearly on. Kevin O'Connell says J.J. Justin Jefferson participated in the walkthrough today. He's minute by minute by minute, hour by hour.

I keep holding on. Who sang that? That's the Doobie Brothers. Well, I didn't know he went Doobie Brothers on everybody, but Justin Jefferson had the old fibers.

The old fibers. When you hear the word contusion. So there's that Caleb Williams. Speaking of bruises and contusions and whatever, the Texans left a mark and not just in the loss column for the Bears, their first.

But Caleb Williams, overall, this Caleb Williams spoke today about the bounce back ability here. Obviously, I had the two stupid mistakes that won't happen again. But I think rhythm pass game, getting the ball to receivers. I think I got better with getting the ball out of my hands. It felt like, you know, trying to stay in the right range of timing of the offensive lineman myself and the routes and things like that.

So I think those are the few spots that I've gotten better at. Play your game, play within the way that we need to play, the way that I need to play for the offense and, you know, be efficient. Be efficient and, you know, make less mistakes each week. Don't make the same mistake over and over. He also said it had been a while since he'd been hit that way or hit as much as he got hit. Interesting.

And I'll grow from it. No doubt. And everybody says there in Chicago that he takes the coaching and the advice very well. Apparently, the conversation is the NFL films camera picked up after the game really wasn't terribly interested in getting the advice from CJ Stroud.

Did you see that? I didn't take it that way. I mean, CJ was telling him, you know, don't take the hits, man. And you could see, like, he was like, OK, bro, like, I don't think he was uninterested in hearing it.

I didn't take it as uninterested. No, he also just he made this face after when CJ told him, like, no, no, like, you should listen to me. Again, just right after a game when you've just gotten beat. That's why Joe Burrow. Everyone's making about the quick bro hug between him and Mahomes, and they went the other separate ways, and he's like, we spoke before the game and after the game, I just don't want to really, you know, I'm not dapping any money up. It was Belichick, Mangini-esque. I mean, there was a day like that at the office on Sunday night, man.

Second game. Exactly. And it was just a long night, and he will grow from it. And the first way of showing that he can grow from it is he walked to the podium today. I was just I thought he'd be walking with a limp for some time.

Yeah, but he took the he took the hits and moved on like Frank Sinatra. Thank you, sir. That's right. Hey, it's Rich Eisen here. Join me and my compadre, Chris Brockman, every Monday on the Overreaction Monday podcast. A 2023 last place team will win a playoff game this year.

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