Brent Key: Well Executed Plan We Had On The Final Drive vs Florida State

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You see how that works? And that's going to be coming up later on in this hour. Great chat in hour number one with Shane Steichen, the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. And now, let's bring in another coach fresh off of his big victory in Ireland over Florida State, the head coach of Georgia Tech football, Brent Keith, here on the program. Good to meet you, coach. How are you, sir? Hey, what's going on?

Doing well. Yeah, I bet you are. You jet-lagged? You jet-lagged right now?

What do you got? No, not at all. We had a game Saturday, so a lot of work to do. Okay, so you're already locked in.

So, let me just discuss, since we've never chatted, we've never met before. You're coaching for your alma mater. What is that like for you, coach? Yeah, it's special, to say the least. You know, anytime you go through an experience in your life, and it helps to shape you and make you into who you are, it's important. It's etched into, really, your background and into your DNA.

That's what Georgia Tech is to me. It's given me a lot of the opportunities I've had in my life. But I think most importantly, it taught me how to work hard. It taught me how to figure things out. It taught me how to solve problems. I did a lot of the things in my life to allow me to have some of the experiences I've had. So, the opportunity to lead this program and lead these young men in their day-to-day journey through Georgia Tech, not only as a football player, but also for their life after football, it's important.

And to be able to help them go through the day-to-day process of it. George O'Leary is your guy, right? Without saying, goes without saying. George O'Leary is your coach, and then he's the one who brought you into coaching back in the day? I'll tell you what now. I mean, 1996, well, met him in 95, so I came here in 96. Worked, played for five years, GA, 4M, coach. I mean, you're talking, you know, better part of probably half of my life I've spent with Coach O'Leary. And then, so why did you want to get into coaching back in the day for yourself?

What do you think? You know, probably everybody has all these really cool things they say about coaching. And, you know, to be honest, I love playing football.

I want to get enough to continue to play in the NFL, and I wanted to be a part of it. But there was a time in my life after being a GA for a year and a half, and I said, I don't want to do this. I'm going to go work in the real world. I've got a Georgia Tech degree. I'm going to go make money. I'm going to go make some money out there and start, you know, get my own apartment by myself. Went and worked in the commercial real estate world here in Atlanta for a little bit of time. It took me about six weeks in that before I realized that I am a football coach.

I missed it a lot. You realized, you know, you try to leave your lane and you got back in the lane is basically what you're saying. Yeah, for sure.

Sometimes it takes something else to make you realize how much you really love something. Right. And then, so then you went with George to UCF. Is that what happened?

Yeah. Went to UCF. We were there really from the time it was in the MAC all the way up until.

So, MAC, the Conference USA brief year in Big East and the AAC. And just to see that place grow from what it was to what it is now to know we had such a, you know, an imprint. But to see the way that Coach O'Leary worked every day. And you've heard the saying, you know, act as if. And that's that's the way he was every day. It was act as if. And it wasn't. Well, we don't have an indoor.

We don't have practice fields. It was right. When are we going to get them? Here's what we're going to do in recruiting. It was never. I mean, you want to get your butt chewed off now.

You say something like, well, you know, he's a national recruit or, you know, the other the three the three big schools in the state of recruiting. I mean, that was that was the easiest way in the world to get you each butt tore up in a meeting. So it was constantly pushing, pushing the envelope and pushing to be better and better.

And that's where I think I've learned a lot of the lessons that have helped us today. How did you wind up on Nick Saban's radar screen, Brian? So in 2009, we had a common opponent. We played Texas during the season. They were playing in the national championship game.

Yeah. Several people on the staff there I knew. And I went up there from Birmingham and we're actually at the home for Christmas. And I'd gone down to Tuscaloosa and ended up sitting in the O-line room with those guys and with Joe Pendry. And Coach Pendry ended up, you know, really became a mentor to me at that point with offensive line play and offensive football. And I knew several other people on staff there.

And one thing leads to another. And we, you know, it was 2015, when Coach O'Leary retired down at UCF and everyone moved on and I ended up heading to Tuscaloosa. And what did you glean from your years being in Nick Saban's coaching staff?

Well, I think you take a master's in coaching football and you end up leaving there with a couple of doctorate degrees. And it's, you know, the time management, how he's able to squeeze so much out of every second of the day, the efficiency that he's able to go about every day with, the routine that he establishes, not just for himself, but everyone on staff and the players, recruiting, the level of evaluation and how important the evaluation, that evaluation never stops, whether they're a sophomore in high school all the way up until, you know, the day they sign with you and then the constant evaluation of your roster. And then the big one is that no matter how hard you think you're working, he's always going to one-up you. He's always going to walk in that staff meeting the next day and, you know, he'd leave at 10 o'clock at night and he'd come in and he'd have 12, 15 recruits that he's evaluated, written up, and then talk about, you know, half a book that he read that night.

When are you doing all this? But he was able to do it and he really influenced everyone else around him to do the same. And if you didn't, you wouldn't make it. So have you brought that to your game here, your coaching game to Georgia Tech?

I mean, do you? Yeah, I would say probably 90 to 95 percent of what we do here is – probably 90 percent of what we do here is based off of either Nick or Coach O'Leary. That's pretty awesome. And then did you see him? I mean, did you – were you get a chance to run into him in Ireland, Coach? Yeah, that was pretty cool to be able to see both of those guys, I mean, with Coach Saban working on game day and coming to practice on Thursday, Coach O'Leary coming to practice on Friday, you know, my only regret is they were never at the same place at the same time and I wasn't able to get a picture with both of them. So that's one – you know, two men that have influenced me so much in my day-to-day walk in this program, but also in my day-to-day life, you know, Coach Saban with the mindset part of the game, how the mental conditioning that you have to have not just for your team but also for yourself individually, you know, personally.

But to see both of those guys there at that game, that was pretty cool. Brent Key, head coach of Georgia Tech football here on the Rich Eisen Show. Run the ball, right? Those are the three words, run the ball. Obviously, we saw the game plan, a buck-90 on the ground. And what were you able to see out of the Florida State defense that you're like, okay, this is what we're going to do. We're going to run the counter and we're going to keep doing it until they stop it.

What about that? Yeah, so, I mean, anybody that – anybody that watches us knows we're going to run outside zone and counter. I mean, that's – those are the two things that I've run my entire career as an offensive coach, as an O-line coach.

You know, I think they're great compliments to each other. They allow you to, you know, play with tempo, varying types of tempo and still be able to execute the plays. So you're finding the right formations, the right motions, the right shifts to go along with it.

You know, that's the important part. And anytime you're into a game one, you don't really know how they're going to play. I mean, you think you do, you have good – you have good feel for what you've seen on tape in previous seasons.

But it's all about being the best you can be. And I thought we've worked really hard since January to become a stronger football team, a faster football team, to be better – be in better shape. And we were able to go out and we wanted to establish a line of scrimmage. I think we have a chance to have a pretty good offensive line around here. And for a week and a half of practice, I mean, those guys didn't – they didn't gain an inch on the ground because of some of the additions we made on the defensive side of the ball.

The development of some of the defensive linemen and linebackers, the new coaches we brought in on that side and some of the acquisitions we made in the portal and through recruiting. And so what is it like on the sideline of a game like that where you're noticing that your will is being imposed and it's the third quarter. It's the fourth quarter. This is a game.

You are in it. Forget about what people were thinking going in. What happens on a sideline for you when that happens? Well, it's the expectation every game that we go in and have that feeling.

You know, for me, personally, it feels pretty dang good. I mean, that's the feeling you want to have on the sideline. The best part about it, though, was there was six minutes and 33 seconds left on the clock and we got the ball back for the last drive. And, you know, the way the game had gone to that point, that was our seventh series of the game.

Florida State had had seven series. I knew we weren't going to get the ball back. There was no chance we were getting the ball back. So we basically had to go into four-minute mode. And then they had basically four timeouts. They had the three timeouts and the two-minute timeout. So it was 633 on the clock.

That could be an eternity for some people. And we had to basically go into four-minute mode on that drive to win the game. So it was a well-executed plan that we had and we were able to get the win and now move on to this next week's game. Yeah, I know.

And it's moving on. I mean, this has got to be, again, the way you draw it up. You want to take your kids on the road. You want to take them to a spot where they're expanding their world.

I'm sure this might have been the first European trip for a lot of your kids. You're trying to show them what they can do against an opponent that thought they should have been in the college football playoff last year. And you go ahead and you do what you did. I mean, what do you think? How do you follow this up?

How do you bottle it? What do you do here? Yeah, well, the big thing is, I mean, the game we played on Saturday was no different than any other game for us in the locker room, for us as coaches. We were able to leave at four o'clock on Wednesday, fly through the night, get there on Thursday and go about our normal Thursday. We didn't go sightseeing. We didn't go to Castles. We didn't go to Guinness. We didn't go to Jamison.

We didn't do any of those things. We were there to play a football game and win a game. And that's no different than every game we played throughout the year. We learned early on in this journey how not to lose a game. We learned early on in the next step game how to win games. Well, the step we are right now is how to consistently win. In order to consistently win, you have to consistently prepare, you have to consistently practice and you have to be consistent on a day-to-day basis. Our program and where we are in the program right now, we've had a lot of lessons learned, a lot of lessons learned in the past. And we have to take those lessons and use them in our day-to-day because you can't do anything about yesterday except learn from it.

You can't do anything about tomorrow but prepare for it. So was it a big game? It was a big game for Georgia Tech. It was a big game for the fans. It was a big game for, it was a big stage the program was on.

But for us in the locker room, it was the next game. Who'd you hear from? Do you hear from anybody that we might know? Oh my gosh. I'm sure there's a lot that you would know.

Who'd you hear from? I know we just met and I'm going to ask you to name drop. That's probably not your, I'm picking up your style here. That's not your style?

It's not. So then how many text messages, how many text messages do you have on your phone when you've grabbed it? Yeah, so, you know, reception was a little spotty, you know, in the stadium. And when you came back out, even with roaming on, they had 458 when I got back to the room that night.

458. Yeah, but you get back to the room and we went straight into watching the game, getting it graded, getting it done. So we wanted to be able to get at a team meeting at 7.15 the next morning before we left at 7.30.

I wanted to have that game closed out by the time we stepped off the plane yesterday back in Atlanta. So you answered Roman Reigns' text first? Is that whose text you answered first? I'm not going there, man. Megatron, you didn't get Megatron's text first?

He was at the game, so. That's cool. What, what, what do you, how do you employ Megatron with your kids? You know what I mean? How do you utilize him in any way, shape, or form, or how much is he willing to share of his, his Megatron-ness with your kids?

Yeah, no, look, shoot. He's a, he's a Georgia Tech football player, no different than I am. There's no, there's nothing asked from him. I want him to come here and be comfortable, to be welcomed, and to be able to come here and feel like, feel like he's at home still. So when these people come back, whether it's a guy like Calvin or a CEO of a Fortune 100 company, I mean, it's not coming here to feel like you're going to get hit up and asked for things.

It's to be able to come back home. Well, listen, congratulations again. I know it's just one win, and I know that you've got greater aspirations than just beating Florida State in the first game in Ireland. But I mean, it had to be pretty cool for you to have your team do that, look the way that it did, perform and execute the way that it did in week one of a season when Nick Saban and Georgia O'Leary are hanging out. That had to be pretty cool for you, man. That really did. That was probably, that was probably the added motivation that I wouldn't get my tail chewed off after the game by either one of them.

That's an interesting, that's a terrific motivation, but it's pretty cool. By the way, I know you didn't go sightseeing, but to have a guy named O'Leary in Ireland, that had to open a door to, I imagine, you know, that house. Well, no, we played over there 10 years ago. We were at UCF, and we got beat by Penn State on the last play of the game in the field goal.

So I'm sure for coach, it was a pretty redeeming thing to come back over 10 years later and see a team win on the last play of the game. Cool. Congratulations, coach, on that W. Appreciate you taking my call.

It's nice to meet you, and I look forward to more chats in the future. Thank you. Yeah, for sure.

Definitely. Go Jackets. You got it. That's Brent Key, everybody. Go Jackets. Taking care of business. Running 190 yards on the ground with the dub. On to the next for Georgia Tech.

Pretty cool stuff, man. I love that. You know, Saban's there. O'Leary's there. He's there, and his kids do that. His kids do that.

It's an extension of his philosophy. Let us go and let's, certainly in this day and age where everybody was spreading it five wide, winging it around. Who's your quarterback?

Who's not? You know, and obviously he's got a talented quarterback, but he's got some guys up front who are road grading, and they just beat the tar out of him. And then second half, let's come out.

Let's run the same damn thing again. It's a 40-yard pop on the ground. That's the way you play football. That is the way you play football.

And I just love that stuff. Like, let's just pull a guy. Let's do some motion.

Let's play some games on the defense and then just hit him with the same damn play anyway. Something refreshing about that. You know what I mean? It's old school, man. It is that.

Pretty cool. And then for two guys who are his mentors to physically be there. And then there's Roman Reigns. He texted him, right? Oh, the travel chief. Did I pick up on that? The travel chief most definitely.

Roman Reigns, definitely. I like that he didn't want to offend anyone by saying who he responded to first. He strikes me as one of those, you know, O-line coaches. He's old school. He's running a counterplay in Ireland 90 frickin' times on Florida State. He's not going to sit there and go, oh, I got these.

Let me name drop for you. But Roman Reigns, he's like, I'm not going there. But the travel chief definitely hit him up.

Don't you think? I'm sure. Calvin's there. What else does he have to do?

Whatever he wants. I know. I'm just saying he's retired. I think he's in the same business as one of our callers earlier in the day.

He is, as a matter of fact. All right. There's some good news happening.

That's all I know. Oh, major breaking news has occurred. Major breaking news.

Okay, I'm assuming it might be if he's happy. Major breaking news. And he's saying it was going to happen before the noon Pacific, and it does.

Yes, there's something that I guaranteed would happen the day before noon. Major breaking news. Okay. My sources say my eyes see. My eyes see. Let's go. My eyes see. That's next here on The Rich Eyes Show. Let's go.

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It was four. Justin Jefferson got done a while ago. A while ago. A long while ago.

Like back in June, type done. So, it's now time for the breaking news for one of the three that we've been waiting for. Here it comes. M-R-A-I-C.

Breaking news. That may be my favorite drop in the history of this program. We've had many drops, many programs. Many, many, many. On this program. Yes, sir.

But, that may be my favorite drop. All right, why is TJ smiling? TJ is smiling, Rich, because the Dallas Cowboys and wide receiver C.D.

Lamb have agreed to a four-year, $136 million extension. $100 million, guaranteed. So, the second highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history.

The deal includes a $38 million signing bonus, the largest ever given to a wide receiver. So, he did not top the APY for Justin Jefferson? Is that what I'm to understand?

Since... Quick math. No, he did not. So, he slotted in right behind Justin? Yeah. You know? Maybe a little bit of a deal.

You know what I'm saying? The hometown discount? The hometown, you know, to pay somebody else. Obviously, we know no state income tax in Dallas, but that ends up being $34 million.

It does take a nice chunk out of the pie. And, again, the conversation about doing this back before the draft, before A.J. Brown and Devante Smith and Ahmaan Ra, St. Brown got theirs. Could they have saved a few million bucks? I think so. And the question is, would that turn into a player that can actually help them win a championship? But that's for another day. That's for another day, and that day might happen in January.

That day might not happen at all, because they might win it all. Win what? It.

All. The Super Bowl? Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. But this just goes to show you, once again, that the Dallas Cowboys waited and waited and waited and did eventually what we all knew they would have to do. What I knew they'd do before noon today. Sign this guy. Sign this guy. In all seriousness, sign this guy. And they had to do it, and we knew they had to do it, and that whole all-in business of, like, going to make everybody play for their supper and stick around for the right to have the star on the side of the helmet. We knew there would be at least three individuals immune from that scenario, and one of them just got signed to a four-year, $136 million deal that could have been less expensive for the team. But again, that is all, again, for another day, because this guy deserves it. This guy, I do believe, will not wilt under that pressure of it.

No. He is, without a doubt, one of the best in the National Football League, and he is, without question, the most important offensive player, non-quarterback on offense, as we all know, and they had to do this. Because without him, you're not scared of the Dallas Cowboys on offense.

You're just not. And I remember when Irv first heard that he was going to wear an 88, he loved it. And the first thing he pushed back on that, he didn't want the number, and then Jerry had to talk him and explain to him. Well, who wants that smoke, right?

I don't know that he fully understood either. I think he wanted his college number, and Jerry went back and was like, no, listen, you need to wear this number. Had to have it.

Had to happen. And again, what's the APY? Have somebody done the math?

Is it somewhere on the X? 34. 34. So could they have gotten it done for 30 before A.J.

Brown signed for 30? No. I don't know. Probably.

I doubt that. But the bottom line is, they didn't beat Justin Jefferson to the punch, and they didn't have to top it. So there's that. They had to come close. He deserves to be close. Well, you know, who's next is Dak. That clock's ticking. I think we're going to go through the entire season. Well, that would be a problem for the Dallas Cowboys.

Well, if we're all in the way you've been saying for the last few months, and Jerry's saying, I need to see how you perform. But I'm saying the rest of the season. The three that I think should be immune to that are the quarterback, the receiver, and the lion on the defensive line, who has, to his credit, said, I'll wait my turn.

Yeah. And so that doesn't need to get done this year, and I hope for his sake he has a healthy 2024, because I like Micah Parsons. And he's going to be the highest paid non-quarterback in the National Football League when it's all said and done. And the question is, is how expensive are those contracts going to be, and how does that inform what they do with Dak?

And what does that leave for the rest of the Dallas Cowboys, and could they have shaved off a few million here and a few million there with all of them to lead to a couple of other players that can actually perform to a high standard that the rest of this roster is carrying? But again, that's for another day. They got this done. They had to get it done.

I'm glad they got it done now. Let's see him in camp tomorrow. Let's see his press conference with his million-watt smile in Dallas and go to work against the Cleveland Browns with a few practices under his belt.

And let's hope we don't see the dreaded soft tissue business that usually does come with somebody who's not training camping it up. And we'll see what happens with Dak now, man. Because that one can go all the way up to Saturday night before Cleveland.

That one can get done in a, that one can get signed and scanned in, because you don't fax it anymore, from a Cleveland hotel room. That one can get done all the way up, because Dak's playing. He's not holding out. It's going to happen. Because he holds every hammer in every card.

Oh my goodness, does he ever. But congratulations, man. That thing's removed off the table. I knew it would happen today. You clearly did. I don't know. Did you hear about it from somebody?

Listen, I have sources, you know this. Ashton? He don't know, no. I would love that if Ashton had a, you know. Ashton Schefter? He had the plug in to the Dallas Cowboys. He would know more about the Bears, obviously.

That's where he has, you know, his plugs coming from. Ashton Schefter. You know what I mean? You need to know about Caleb, go to Kutcher. He'll tell you.

Hey man, I got to tell you. We didn't expect this news to come just as we were about to start our eight show long division prediction jaunt. We do this every year before the season. We have each and every division predicted for you, one by one, all the way up until kickoff. And the first one up?

The best. Is, believe it or not, that money division, as it used to be known when we were kids, the NFC East. We need some music, please, Jason Feller.

Because here it is, the first of the eight NFL divisions, one by one, predicted by us over the next eight days, leading all the way up to our first show in Kansas City, when we will predict the AFC West. Chris Brockman, you're first up. Hey, oh, first up. Does this change what you were going to say? I don't know. And if so, go ahead.

Not really. I mean, I guess I assumed the CD was going to sign and be there week one, but I do think there's just something going on with them. And I think the Dak stuff is going to kind of loom over the whole year. So I don't think Dallas is going to win the division this year. And I don't even think they're going to come in second. I like the Eagles to have a huge bounce back season.

I love everything about them. I just think Jalen Hurts, like the caller said earlier, like, come on, we're giving this guy like he had half a bad season last year. New offensive coordinator Killen Moore, they're going to wing it all over the place. They added Jahant Dotson, Saquon Barkley. I think the Eagles are clearly the best team in this division.

And then like weird stuff happens, right? Jayden Daniels has a chance to have like a CJ Stroud type rookie year, and they might be kind of the surprise team and go 10-7 or something like that. Well, you're going to say that. That would be the sleeper team of 2024. I think they're second. I think Dallas just has a fall off because the Mike McCarthy stuff, the Dak stuff, Micah's contract. It's going to loom over their whole season.

They're super top heavy. So if someone gets injured, I don't have a lot of faith in their backups. And then the Giants are a huge kind of shrug emoji. What is this team going to look like? And so I'll have them rounding things out.

TJ? Well, there we go. Let's see, number coming in in last. Were you really waiting for a music change? Well, I didn't know I didn't want to step on fellers toes.

I mean, I saw some of it was very dramatic and stuff. So I was like, well, let me wait to see what he's going to very dramatic. My predictions for the NFC East guy.

I think you could pretty much guess it coming at number four. We have the Giants. I don't know what's going on there. Malik neighbors, I think is going to be great, but I'm not sure about the quarterback situation. Plus, the quarterback is now entangled with a celebrity girlfriend. I don't know if that's going to hurt him, Chris. You know what I mean when you get those high profile romances, sometimes Travis Kelsey, you know, it works.

Other times it doesn't. I don't know what's going to happen there. The Washington football team, because that's what I call them.

Jane Daniels. I think he could be special. They've got a great receiving corps. I think I think they're going to be a little bit better than people think they are. And now we're going to come down to the Eagles and the Cowboys. I've got the Cowboys winning the division. That's simply because that Prescott is nine and four against the Eagles in his career.

People don't take that into consideration. I knew C.D. Lamb would sign today. So, you know, hey, that's it. The Cowboys, the Eagles, the Washington football team and the Giants. That is my prediction for the NFC East. All right.

Do you want to change the music? OK, because I can't do it with my NFC East prediction. The first of the eight divisions I will predict all the way up until the kickoff.

All right. I can't I can't say the Giants finish anything but fourth. I just can't I got to see Daniel Jones. I got to see what this running game looks like without Saquon. You can't just remove the best offensive player on your team and think, oh, it'll be just great. We'll scheme it up.

We'll just figure this out. Malik Nabors needs to have someone throw it to him. Daniel Jones. We've got to see how healthy is and how he's going to remove any of the silly passes from his game.

I do think the Giants defense may carry some days for them. That is for sure. I can't wait to see what Brian Burns looks like on that same D line as is Kayvon Thibodeau. But I still can't take him out of fourth. And I'm putting Washington in third because he's, you know, he's going to have to have a C.J.

Stroud type season. Jayden Daniels to have the Washington commanders perform anything better than third, I think. And that's a tall order. It's a very tall order. I don't know why they traded Jahan Dotson.

That's an interesting one. I know they feel like they've got enough there. But that was an interesting one to send him to Philadelphia. So it is, again, an Eagles or Cowboys division. I do think they'll split this year, which does not make anything more easily apparent. I just think when it comes down to it, the Eagles are a better football team. I think they did more in this offseason to address their issues than the Cowboys did.

That is for sure. And I know their issues are going to be how do you replace a legend and a future first ballot Hall of Famer and Jason Kelsey up front? But the rest of that line is pretty damn good, too. And how do you replace somebody like Fletcher Cox in the middle of that defensive line? I think they had trouble, as you know, on the back end of the defense and they drafted and hit the hell out of that defensive secondary. And I do like the addition of two different two coordinators that remove those issues off the plate last year that Nick Sirianni was encountering. And I mean, having Jeremy Fowler on last Friday, you were out, Chris. He came on and did a little bit more, added more meat on the bones to his deep dive, saying that Sirianni stepped up in April in front of the whole team and took the blame and accepted responsibility for last year's.

Complete disintegration. And I just think that the addition of Kellen Moore on offense and Vic Fangio on defense is going to be a difference maker. And I just think, again, Daron Bland's already out for the first few weeks. And I understand he came out of nowhere anyway last year. Maybe somebody else can for Dallas. Sam Williams is already out for the year. But this is the sort of stuff. Dallas, you call him top heavy.

We will see how deep they are. I don't think, like you say, that the Dak stuff is going to loom over the team all year long. I just think the Mike McCarthy stuff. That is a different story.

Now, that's a different story, but that guy seems to be able to to to block all sorts of noise out. I'm going to take Philadelphia win the division, Dallas second, commanders third, Giants fourth. That's my opinion.

Commanders third over the Cowboys is a bold choice, sir. It can't be chalk. Every division isn't just going to be OK. Chalk. Weird stuff happens every year. No one saw Houston come in last year. I feel like I just think that it can be chalk in the NFC.

Other divisions might not be chalk. OK, I buy that is what I said. What I will say there.

And I feel like he did that. We got against commanders who made. Yeah, yeah. What don't I have against them?

No, what are you? But you can't say the word. You call him a football team. That's why they've always I do like I do like what their team is and just the Washington. I do like WFT because it's sort of close to WTF. Yeah, I like that.

Season two with Susie and Amy coming up. I really like their black uniforms last night. I think the defense is going to obviously be better, man.

I think Jane Daniels could be really special. Well, we had the fantasy footballers here on Friday. And I asked them, Mike Wright and Jason Moore were here. And I asked them about drafting a quarterback in fantasy and their philosophy of it. He basically said, go eight, nine rounds without choosing your quarterback. That you can get a really high quality fantasy football quarterback eighth, ninth, tenth rounds and just keep amassing the other positions.

And that's the way you win. And so I asked them, give me the names of some quarterbacks where if they're there, you can win a football championship with a fantasy football championship with. And they said Jayden Daniels more than Caleb. They liked Jayden Daniels better than Caleb Williams because they probably think he's going to run more.

Correct. And that he's pro ready and he does have McLaurin and he does have some quality running backs and he does have a two way threat game. And and so he is the way that you're proven correct. And TJ and I are proven wrong. He's the way out. But CJ Stroud, brother, that that's there's a reason why you don't see seasons like that very often. Out of a second overall selection as a rookie. So it's true, but he's definitely the way out. But they said over Caleb, they were not sold on Caleb, which I found interesting as well. And it wasn't just fantasy. They just were they're both were like absolutely Jayden Daniels.

To a golf. You're seeing those guys. They're like, yeah, Daniels ADP is definitely higher than than Caleb says. All right, we'll take a break.

Eight, four, four, two or four rich number down here on the rich eyes and show the when we come back. The story of how Chris Brockman is getting all grown up and grown up and our babies all grown up. Certainly when it comes to his schmucky fantasy draft. Oh, man.

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All right. Back here. Pukanakua is back at practice, expected to go for your saw that the Rams in Detroit saw that huge where he will know they play indoors. Remember that he showed up with the balaclava for the playoff game and it kind of freaked me out.

I'm like, where's Pukanakua? What is he not playing tonight? Because I didn't see the flowing hair. And then I'm like, then why is he wearing cold weather gear indoors? Remember we asked him that at the Super Bowl? And he said basically like he thought he didn't know. He didn't know the game was indoors.

Yeah. Didn't know it was going to be cold in Detroit. And so then he took it off. Did nobody tell him in the in the locker room? Take that off.

You don't need it. They just like let him let him go. Yeah.

I mean, I mean, he's a rookie. Yeah. No, you wouldn't let it. You would let him go out. Of course, I wouldn't tell him.

You wouldn't, Richard. A little hazing thing. Come on. You know what I mean?

Excuse me. I want him comfortable. I want those flowing locks, man, for the playoff game. I don't want him. It was comfortable.

It's just like me with the prices, right? Trust me. You love this. You got more out of it by me not winning. You would have let Pukanakua go out there just for the. No, I wouldn't. S and giggles.

Not at all. In a playoff game, all S and giggles are out the door. It's business.

I want the flowing locks. I want him doing his thing. But did he catch a ball with the bottle clown on? Can we look at that up in the play by play? Don't worry.

I'm not really asking that. But the bottom line is he's going to be there in week one. And then for the, you know, Pukanakua, barring anything unfortunate, which let's hope not happening. The Los Angeles Rams home opener week three, Chris Brockman will be there because he has to attend at least three games in order to be able to improve his tickets for next year. Does it count if you begrudgingly go to the game? Like if they can't tell that, I think that's on the. That's not on the official app. They can recognize facially that you don't want to be there.

But if he goes to more games in the past, they can't send him an email asking if he's OK. That's true. I can't do that. That's messed up.

It's not messed up. Back on the Rich Eisen show. Eight four four two oh four rich number two down one eight hundred. Let me tell you something rich. We've been talking about this for a while. A long, long.

Worst fantasy draft ever, without question, belongs to Chris Brockman in the league he wants to win the most, the keeper league. It's all of his buddies from college, right? Yeah. Right. All you Syracuse, Syracuse people. Yeah.

OK. All you Sir, come added throughout the year, throughout the years. Yeah. You. I've won twice, by the way. Terrific. Congratulations on that.

Two time winner. Excellent. Keeper League, whole thing.

The whole deal. You're focused on it a lot. And I don't blame you because you want to win those leagues against some old friends of yours. And then when you first told me about this league, which was at least 15 years ago, has to be my first reaction was, well, that's crazy. Then I started having children. And I'm like, why in the world would you want to do two things?

One, I understand flying somewhere for it. That's understandable. But after a while, it's like, am I really going to get on a plane to do something that I don't have to get on a plane for? But you want to hang with your buddies, right?

You want to make it seem like, you know, it's like old school. Your boy Blue might be wrestling, you know, whatever. A lot of times, you know, you'll get together. Yeah, exactly.

A lot of times this is the only chance for us all to get together. Right. It's like the little chill. Yeah. Not the big chill. Right.

And so you're getting together and it's, you know, because you love football. It's in the town of the team that won the Super Bowl. Correct. Which is kind of a cool.

It is an interesting wrinkle. Whoever wins the Super Bowl, you go there. And then he told me that there is no time constraints on how long a team has to choose somebody. Like Master P, there's no limit.

No limit. Those are fighting words. Like literally I would throw down with people who I would adore. You know, 90 seconds for me is long enough. Yeah, you're kind of like a let's go, let's go type cat. 90 seconds is long because at some point, you know, it's fun fantasy drafting. It's fun, you know, kibitzing with your friends.

Kibitz. It's fun doing that. But after an hour and a half, two hours, like I get the point. Like, let's go, let's see the team, let's finish up. Now we can hang out.

Let's go out. Right. Right. There's things to do other than sitting around and seeing, you know, who that third receiver is going to be on the Arizona Cardinals. If you want to draft him in the 12th round, you could already be digging into a stake somewhere.

Correct. And you push back, man. You're like, yes, for years. And then even you just had fun with one guy who took 28 minutes, one year to draft Brian Hartline. And I said, I would have absolutely throat punched the guy. And then one year, one year after five minutes and then one year at NFL Network, Brian Hartline was there. And I got to tell that to his face. And he laughed and said, what was that guy doing?

Yeah, even Brian Hartline's like, why would you take 28 minutes to choose somebody? And then for me and then and then my name is what gets spat out. So I told you, Chris, for years that as you grew older, when you and Sarah had beautiful, sweet, lovely, adorable, squeezable cage, Mark Brockman. First day of school today. Is that right? Awesome.

For as new school. That this would be an aggression that cannot stand. And now you're back from the draft, right?

Yes. You did not go for the first time. However, I did not go. Why is that, Chris? The first time since 2012, I did not go. Why not?

Well, there were a lot of factors. For one, we have in our draft a clause where if a team does go back to back, since we had already gone to that city, we can vote to go to the losing team city. So I was like, cool, we're going to go to San Francisco this year. That's going to be awesome. Never really been up there aside from our Super Bowl trip in 2015.

Play some golf up there. It's going to be great. Short West Coast trip. No, no, no. It got voted. We are going back to Kansas City. And not only were we going back to Kansas City, they were literally repeating last year's draft that we had step by step, including having it at our friend's uncle's basement, which was a fun time. Mostly, but that did not interest me personally.

Your friend's uncle's basement. Yes, to do that again. I did not want to do that again.

They don't put the lotion in the basket in there, do they? No comment. And so also, this same group of people, one of our buddies got married last month in Maryland. Oh, so you saw them. So I saw everybody a month ago.

Okay. And we're going to Kansas City next week. Combined with us going to Kansas City in two weeks, and a cross country flight that you and I took the week before to go to Fanatics Fest, I was like, I'm out. And just so that everyone knows, we are doing all three shows of the Rich Eisen Show next week in Kansas City, and the location is not anybody's friend's uncle's basement. We're going to be in the mix. We're going to be downtown.

We're going to be in the mix. How far away from the mix is your friend's uncle's basement? Oh, it's an hour away in Kansas.

It wasn't even in actual Kansas City, Missouri. What is the matter with people? What is the matter? There was just a lot going on. It was a really contentious, big to-do earlier in the summer. And you've never had this issue because this is the first repeat championship in two decades.

Right, right. And we had been to New England a couple of times when the Patriots recently won three out of five years, but we voted to do it in L.A. the one year when they played the Rams. So this had never really come up, and so I was just like, I'm out.

I'm not coming. I went up to Ojai for a day and a half to check out, and then I drove back home early Saturday morning to do the draft at my house. And I got to tell you, it was amazing to be home alone.

Because you could do whatever you want. I did laundry. I went to the store between picks. I made rings. I mowed the lawn.

I got so much done at my house alone by myself. What an adult. It was tremendous. And on top of it, Rich, this is going to drive you insane.

And he's groansed up. It was the longest draft ever. It was nine and a half hours. That is such an outrage.

I'll slap somebody. Seriously. They started early.

They moved it up from Kansas City, so it started at 8.30 Pacific time and didn't end until 6 p.m. Pacific. What an outrage. Why would you want to spend nine hours to draft a fantasy football league?

I don't know. And there are keepers, too. There are keepers. What an outrage. That should cut at least an hour off.

No, the keepers, we did the day before, and it still took nine and a half hours. Oh, no, man. He didn't even have his kid there, and you're grown up. It was one of the greatest. You got things done. It was so amazing.

I got so much accomplished. You didn't have to fly anywhere. You didn't have to go anywhere.

There's no directs from L.A. to KC. It had a connection. It was just fantastic. You know now what's next for him now? You know what's next for him now? No, we're not changing the burger draft.

Rich, he's got to get rid of his annual birthday celebration. Sorry. Of going to the same place. That is a bridge too far, Rich Eisen.

The same place and making people go there and then have a draft about what burger on a menu with multiple burgers that they can have and potentially wind up with something they are uninterested in eating. Bridge too far. Bridge too far. I mean, that is true. Now, that's next, Chris. Well, maybe in ten years. Now, that's next ten years.

Maybe in ten. No, no, no, you didn't think you would turn on your fantasy draft so quickly. No, I didn't, but I got to say this year was pretty great. You were like Coke not being that.

You were like Coke in a bash in the beach in 96, man. You know what's going to be the final straw? You know what's going to be the breaking of the back? For this draft?

Yes, you know what it is? When the Chiefs three-peat. Oh, man.

And next year's draft is in the same uncle's basement. You won't have an excuse to not go. In Kansas. What does it matter with your friends? What does it matter with them? I ask that all the time.

Okay. This is, however, I will say, not being there allowed me to prep the night before. Prep. And get a lot more focused. Prep. I'm fully focused, man.

And this is the best I've felt coming out of a draft in a long time. What is prepping? What is prepping? It's absurd.

What do you mean prep? You just see who's on the clock. You see four or five people. No. No. No. No.

Which one speaks to me? No. You've got to look at bi-weeks.

You've got to look at different scenarios. They have the bi-week written right next to them. No. I'm not kidding, guys. Prep. I feel great about my team coming out this year.

I don't even want to ask who it is, because I'm so annoyed by everything. I'll tweet it out, sir. Great. And people will definitely care. Oh, they will.

Why wouldn't they care? Everyone cares about your fantasy team. I've got some great rookies, keeper possibilities next year. Oh, great. Dalton Kincaid fell to me. Oh, that's great, man.

I'm excited. Did that happen while you were mowing the lawn? That's when he was making the wings. I think actually, yeah.

It was pre-wings, mid-lawn. Oh, great. By the way, there's people directly behind me.

They're interested in my draft. There they are. Right there. They're coming out to Woodwork. They're here, bro.

Oh, my God. You thought no one cared in yours. There they are.

What do they care? They're going to their friend's uncle's basement. There you go. How it's going.

I look the same. That'll wrap up this show. Back on Tuesday. Hey, it's Rich Eisen here. Join me and my compadre, Chris Brockman, every Monday on the Overreaction Monday podcast. A 2023 last place team will win a playoff game this year.

I'm taking the Cincinnati Bengals to be that team if you gave me two. Safe bet. If you said two last place teams, I might say that's an overreaction. Come react or overreact with us. This one makes it much easier, so thank you for making it easier. Well, tune in next week. We'll see you Monday, wherever you listen.