Kyren Williams: Coach McVay Has Trust In Me

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Rams running back Blake Corum. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Our number two of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Tom Pelissero, our colleague Tommy P, is making his way to our studio. NFL Network's own. NFL Media Group's own.

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That's how we're rolling. Blake Corum, one of my favorite Wolverines ever, is going to be making his way to the studio in hour number three. It'll be his first visit here, which means, you know, let's be fair and balanced, the running back atop the depth chart for the Los Angeles Rams.

Joining us here, courtesy of DirecTV for Business, Kyron Williams of the Rams. Good to see you, Kyron. How are you? I'm good, good. How you doing? I'm just letting you know, you know, this chair to my right, guest chair, is for you as well.

It's not just Blake's, you know what I mean? Like, I'm ready to have you sit here too, Kyron. Hey, it's whenever. What's up?

Okay, we can do that. How are you doing? I'm doing good, man.

I can't complain, you know. Got Friday off, Saturday and Sunday. So, you know, it's only the weekend before the season starts, you know. So, we're getting ready.

We're getting to it. What does Labor Day weekend in Los Angeles look for Kyron Williams? Or are you leaving town? You're going to get some time somewhere else. No, I'm going to be here. I'm going to be here and I'm taking care of my little dog. So, you know, I'm going to be focused on him, watching Notre Dame tomorrow. Okay. And just chilling on Sunday, you know. So, nothing really too much going.

Alright, so let's take it one at a time. What's your dog's name? His name is Zilla. He's a Rottweiler. What's your dog's name again? Zilla.

It's kind of short for Godzilla. Oh, I got it. Okay. Is Zilla anywhere in the room right now, Kyron?

Yeah, he's actually laying down right beside me. Okay. Do you want to see? Let's see.

Because we're a dog-friendly show. Zilla, where are you, Zilla? Oh, he's running away now. Come on, Zilla. Come on, Zilla. Let's see here. What do we got?

Kyron Williams showing off his moves here. Hold on. Hold on a minute. Don't be shy, Zilla.

Hi, Zilla. She's a puppy. Oh, my goodness.

He's like, what's going on? Oh, man. That's awesome. Okay.

Very good. Zilla's ready to chill for the weekend. Yeah, he's excited.

He wants to go to the park. Oh, of course. Absolutely.

What does Zilla think about Notre Dame's chances against Texas A&M this weekend, Kyron? Let me ask him. He likes them. Okay. He likes them. Very good. All right. He has no other choice but to like them. Okay.

That's true. You're a little nervous about Notre Dame? No, I'm not nervous. I'm a fan. I'm a complete fan. I just sit back and watch the game. I have no ties because I'm so far removed.

Not a lot of people there that I really was playing with. Okay. I'm a completely fan. I'm just a Notre Dame fan. I'm excited for the game, excited for football to come back. I'm wishing for a win.

I'm an alum as well. It's now out of my hands. It was never in my hands, though. It was actually in your hands.

Yeah. So let's just jump into your season, Kyron. I'll be honest. I was kind of surprised to hear that you were named the punt returner for the Los Angeles Rams. Walk me through how you got that role, Kyron. I mean, I'm just not really something I did. It's something I remember doing.

I did it a little bit in college and then I did it a couple of games last year. But mostly it was Coach McVay's decision. He said he had full trust in me to be able to go back there and make the smart decisions, get the ball where it needs to be, and just being able to be a trusted punt returner that he can ensure nothing.

That phase is cleared on. That's something he came to me early on about in training camp that that's something that I might be doing. And then he finally came out to the world about it last week with it. So how, you said the last time, when was the last time you returned to punt? It was last season.

I think the Cincinnati game, week three of last year. Okay. So you did it last year. Yeah.

But a lot of folks were surprised because that puts you out in a position where, you know, normally a running back, the guy atop the depth chart in the running back room wouldn't be placed out there, Kyron. Right. Yeah. Like I said, that's the coach's decision. I can't control those type of things and what goes on.

But like I said, Coach McVay, he told me early on that that might be something that happens this year. Okay. Do you just, on behalf for you and others, do you know how to do this? I know exactly how to do that. I know exactly how to do that.

And I'm screaming it too. But you can take it to the house though, too. Exactly. So I just think that's another way that I can be able to tap this game. You know, that's just where, you know, where I'm the best is with the ball in my hand and the green grass. And so that's what, you know, the punt return allows me to be able to have and be able to create more plays.

And like I said, as a punt returner, when you're smart, you can pick and choose when you attack the game. So how much better a player are you now than you were one year ago at this time, do you think? I'm a lot more smarter player.

You know, physically, you know, I've gotten bigger and stronger, all of that stuff, you know, as you get, you know, you just continue to work out. But just more understanding of the game and just knowing how people are going to react to certain things. That's something that, you know, I've really keen into this off season and then this training camp and watching film and just being able just to see how guys react off of certain things and off of little movements and really just be able to understand in my own line, too.

And that's something I did a little more emphasis on, just being able to see how those guys, you know, how they move and kind of trying to figure out how they think, you know, just be able to just be one as offense. Are you in a fantasy league, Kyron Williams? No, I don't play fantasy. OK, well, we're in one right now. You know, is Kyron still on the board right now? We're in the we're in we're in the second round. We're literally drafting right now.

This would be the first for the Rich Eisen show if we were on the clock that if we ever drafted somebody who I'm interviewing in the middle of the interview. No, he's gone already. Yeah, yeah. He went. He's gone already. Yeah. He took me. Thank you.

He went 14th overall for overall. I'll take that. I'll take that. Like I said, I remember what I said last time on the show. I'll take that.

But you know what? We're going for it. Tell me who the other running backs that went after. Who did Kyron Williams go over?

Oh, OK. Two picks later, Devon H. And when OK, then Travis A.T. and OK, Derek Henry, Kyron, you beat Derek Henry, Josh Jacobs and Isaiah Pacheco. He's sick. You like that, huh?

That's got to be good. Nothing. OK, all right. Oh, I see.

It's not high enough for you, is it? I got it. See, OK, the running backs, the one ahead of you.

OK, Christian McCaffrey, Christian McCaffrey, Bijan, Breece Hall, Jameer Gibbs, J.T., Jonathan Taylor and Saquon. Does that is does that satisfy you at all or or what? Nah, I want to be up there. You know, I want to decide, though.

OK, but I think 14, 14 is better than when I got drafted in the NFL. So I'll take it. Yes, I would agree. I would agree. I would say respect.

So it's Karen Williams here on the Rich Eisen Show. What's your relationship? We got Blake Corum coming here in an hour.

Number three, you know, I'm a Michigan guy, so I know what he can do. What have you what's your relationship with him like, Kyron? It's tight, man. You know, I see how he is as a person. He's kind of, you know, built the same way. Just, you know, he knows that the work that you've got to put in the work to get to where you want to be. And that's kind of the mentality that he's been bringing in each and every single day, you know, coming into the facility. You know, he's always continue to work. And that's something that we can always feed off each other. Because, you know, that's something that I know I know for a fact that the work works and that's something I believe in strongly. And so I'm excited. You know what?

We're going, you know, and what we what we've been so far. So, you know, it's definitely cool being able to work with him and then, you know, playing with them, playing a long slide. And then in terms of McVeigh, just you got a good story where his coaching or his memory, his famous memory or his ability to put you in a position that you thought, oh, gosh, I didn't think of that, where anything pops up in your in your mental sort of Rolodex here of a good story involving your coach. So far, I don't got a good story, but like just the memory thing, like he always gets me when when he can just be able to spit off just exactly where the ball was placed, where we're at, like what the play was, what the year was, like going back all the way from 2018 or 2017, whenever he first got here, you can just remember everything before he got here.

He can pull everything out of his head, out of his mind, which is crazy. But, you know, just in a way that he helped me be able to, you know, be successful this year. We talked about just how to how to receive the ball with some depth when, you know, go into the line of scrimmage and whatnot, just being able to allow him to be able to coach me on the field is something that, you know, kind of put me in a position this year to be able to realize, oh, this does help me or this does allow me to be more successful when running the ball. So that's another that's one thing that, you know, he kind of, you know, allow me to be in a better position to be successful. So he can he can bring up as a coaching point something that you did previously in a similar play, a similar situation. Is that what you're saying?

And be able to pinpoint the exact down distance, date, time, game sort of thing with you? Well, I'm not saying specifically with me. He probably could. I mean, he probably can't with me, but he right. I mean, he hasn't said it to me like he hasn't been. He'll say, you remember that the Giants run like, yeah, the Giants run.

That's that was one of a lot of people remember. But I'm just saying, like, when Plas plays, when we're in the offensive meeting and he's where he's installing a play and he's trying to, you know, find it, trying to think of a coaching clip that might help somebody be better or learn off this clip. He'll just think back to say, OK, go to the Seahawks game.

We're on the right hash. I think it was play whatever. And so show us show us how that route was ran. And he'll show the show them the receiver and show the receivers how that route was ran. He'll even be even he'll be even be in the back of the room and it'll be a coastal floor presenting and closing. They will be like, actually, just go to the Houston's clip when Robert Woods ran this and he did that. And just show the show the X receiver how how that's done. And, you know, coastal floor goes directly to that. And it will be that play that we were just installing. It will be that play that was ran three years ago off the coaching clip.

Man. And that lands that lands in the room, right? I imagine a lot of. Yeah, everybody noticed that everybody sees that. And they're like, I'm really like my rookie year.

I would look over to my left and be like, he just do that. How do you pull that out? How? Like, how do you just do that? And like, they'll be like, I remember this class actually.

Here comes through thinking about it. But another thing was we was running the screen this year during training camp. And it was there was an exact clip that happened two years ago with Darryl Henderson or three years ago that when he was playing the Seahawks. And when it was the exact same screen that we had was ran and he came up to me, it was like. Just after practice, have coach G show you this, show you the clip of Darryl during the show you the clip. But I'm like, yeah, the clip of Darryl during the Seahawks.

Right. He was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like he teaches off of clips and he just he came up to me right away and I had seen that clip before. So I knew exactly which play he was talking about with it. I knew exactly what it was. So it's kind of like I answer this.

I answer this sentence for him one time. It was like, yeah, just make sure you watch that clearly at a clip of Darryl against the Seahawks when he ran the screen to the left. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

I love that story, man, because again, it makes you know, you be on your P's and Q's a little bit more. And that's that's how the Rams get get to be, you know, better is not championship quality. I love that. What are you doing with DirecTV for business? So, yeah, I partner with DirecTV for business because, you know, like fans like I know you are a fan, like a lot of us who want to catch NFL games are able to do that through the NFL Sunday ticket when they just go to their local bars. You know, they partnered with over three hundred thousand bars. And so if you just go to the sports bar finder app, you log in there, you find DirecTV for business NFL Sunday ticket, it'll pull up all the bars that have them. And you can go enjoy your Sunday the right way, honestly, is watch all the games, not just one game, but all the games while eating food and hanging out. So that's something, you know, I felt very close to and I know exactly what it is, what that feels like. You know, we did that in college, so I had to.

It was a no brainer for me. DirecTV dot com backslash for business to find out more information of restaurant and bar owners to check out. Karen Williams and the rest of the NFL Sunday ticket. Good to see you, Karen. Enjoy Zillah. Enjoy your weekend with Zillah.

I appreciate we're a dog friendly show. I appreciate you showing off Zillah tennis ball. What are we throwing?

What is what is what is Zillah like? What do we got? You know, you've got to keep a little football. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that looks like it's been damaged. I got to be honest with you. He has great balls here. He doesn't let go. One point of pressure is all.

Can't get that fumbled. Karen, thanks again. Always a pleasure chatting with you. Yes, sir. I appreciate you. Have a good day. Right back at you at Karen Williams.

Twenty three to follow him on X. That's kind of right there. Yes, indeed. We just tell a quick story here about what we just heard. I mean, Karen Williams telling a story about how Sean McVeigh can remember. You know, he's got the famous memory.

I don't know what specific type of memory it is. I've seen that before. I think 60 Minutes did a piece on somebody that it's like a Mary Lou Hener. Right. Mary Lou Hener, the actress, has a two for summary. For some reason, you can remember, hey, August 4th, 1986. Right.

Everything about. Correct. And he has that ability as well to remember down distance plays and things of that nature. And we've seen we've seen tick tock videos the Rams have made of it. But now you can see how Karen Williams is saying, oh, I've seen that play.

And he probably is a young player is kind of prideful to show off to the coach that I can do it, too. And I just remember when I first started on Sports Center, I did a sports center with Keith Olbermann. And Keo had a memory. He still does where he could just remember facts and moments and names and just come up with it. We were doing a sports. I may have told this story before, but I just think it's kind of fitting here that.

We were honestly 26 years old, just a few months in a sports center, and we were doing a sports center one night. And we had time for what they called a home cooked piece, which is a producer. It on Sports Center would create a two, three minute. Feature written by the anchor based on a subject matter, and the subject matter was in advance of a game seven Stanley Cup final. Great goalie performances in the history of the Stanley Cup final. And somebody was just throwing out like Billy Smith of the Islanders or whatever. And we were kind of struggling to come up with the names for it.

So our producer, a great mass hall named Bill Fairweather, Billy Fairweather basically said, screw it. We'll just wait till Keo comes in, because it was a rare moment that Keith wasn't there for the meeting. I think I had a doctor's appointment or something, and I'll never forget this moment.

I'm 26 years old. I'm on Sports Center. I'm doing one sports center with Keith because I guess Dan was off or something. And Keith comes walking in and he had like, he was smoking a pipe and he had like these periodic, these massive books underneath his arm, you know, like research books or I don't know what the hell he had.

Because there's no Google back then. But no, there was. So you had these massive books underneath his arm and Bill stopped them and told Keith, this is the piece we have an idea of. Do you know of any, you know, instances of great goalie performances in the Stanley Cup playoffs or something like that?

And we were struggling collectively to come up with names. Keith said, oh, yes, Rangers goalie game five of the Stanley Cup finals in 1930 something. You know, I think it was game seven. You've told us.

No, no. He said in game five, took a puck off the face. Right. Because they didn't have masks. And then backup goalie comes in, finishes game five.

They won that shut out in game six, shut out in game seven. I'll write the piece. I've got a picture of the guy.

You can put it over my shoulder for the leading and kept walking. And I thought to myself. What the hell did I just witness? And I thought to myself, like, OK, for me to succeed here. I better know my stuff. I literally thought to myself, that's amazing.

I'm nowhere in the vicinity galaxy of having that knowledge, institutionally in my head, sports knowledge in my head. I'm like, I better buckle down if I'm going to hold my own with him or be successful in this place. And that story kind of just got drummed up by Karen Williams saying, oh, I couldn't believe that my coach has this memory to just come up with this play in this moment to try and bring into perspective the types of plays that we're running now, how I can be successful in this now. And he calls it again because there's tape that's just as that shows just how this play works successfully. I better know that in advance of him even saying it. That's how it works.

That's how you become successful. Tom Pelissero is here. Tommy P. How the heck did I just finally just out of the blue sign something, right? And on top of it, what about Trent Williams? What about Jamar Chase? What about all that stuff?

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That's OReillyAuto.com slash E-I-S-E-N. O-O-O-Reilly Auto Parts. What goes through your mind when you hear everybody wants one of you? You know, it's flattering and humbling, Rich, but it's a result of the success we've had as a team. And, you know, it's just like, you know, but you know what, though?

It is true, though. Like, we got great coaches on our staff. We got good players. It's a great reflection of our organization and what we've done.

And I think, you know, that's the biggest thing. And to see guys that we've worked with over the last couple of years get opportunities with Matt and with Zach Taylor. You know, they're deserving of it because of what they've done on their own merit. And when they go in and compete for jobs, people say, man, we can see this guy leading our organization.

And, you know, I'm looking forward to seeing those guys thrive. Have you told Kingsbury that he has a job because of you, too? No, that's the... Cliff got his deal on his own. Okay, no, I'm sure he did. I know you had it. You know, you were knocking on his door, too, to join your staff.

I know that. Well, when he was... You passed him, according to you. I got him good, didn't I? Yeah, you told that to Schefter that you totally... What did you do to him then? Well, basically, you know, he obviously has a pre-existing relationship with Patrick Mahomes.

He was out here doing some things, and Cliff was having dinner with him and a group of people. And we have a mutual friend, and I tricked him into thinking that, you know, he was tampering and that he was going to lose some picks. That's what you changed somebody's name in your phone to Roger Goodell?

I did. Our mutual friend, he... So it showed up on his phone? I couldn't let this go on too long, so our mutual friend, a guy named Chaz Gessner, I put his number in my phone as Roger Goodell, and had him send me a text that said, you know, hey, this is tampering.

You know better than this. You guys are both, you know, and I showed it to Kingsbury, and I said, you know, Mr. Goodell, he never texted me. I said, you better call Steve Kahn right now. And his face, he was like, he said, I thought I was going to throw up.

He's like, that's wrong. I mean, I couldn't let it go on for more than 30 seconds. You could have had it. It was a good but a bad joke, man. I mean, he's like, you ruined dinner, man. Back here on the Rich Eisen Show, we're sitting at the Rich Eisen Show desk.

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Down here. Listen, for a man who woke up at the ass crack of dawn or prior to that and then did four hours of television. You look fresh as a daisy, man. I appreciate that. CC did a great job backstage right before the show. So on Wednesday. And your hair still looks perfect.

Again, CC all the way. No, because it's sort of like, you know, whenever you watch these soccer players, these international soccer players, they're 90 minutes into running all over the place, but their hair is still pomade perfect. That's you. Tommy P. That's what I that's what I go for.

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That's a good way. I coined a different one earlier today on Good Morning Football 2. What was that? I'm hoping to leave that.

We're hoping to leave that one behind. But I'll tell you this. So on Wednesday, I had my kids open out to their school where they go meet their teachers.

Very important moment in their lives. So I needed to come out and do Good Morning Football on Thursday, but also to do the inside. Of course you did. So I hustled back from the event. Yes. Did insider six to seven, went got on a plane, landed here, got to the hotel about twelve thirty a.m. on Thursday morning, napped, woke up at three and then powered through the four hours of the show.

So that now that's the challenge. It's even worse when at two thirty a.m. all of a sudden you snap awake and go, I didn't pack any pants. So these are fresh from the world that's next door to the hotel. Had to do a little quick shopping spree there. Los Angeles pant buying. Tom Pelosero.

First year on the rich show. OK, so the ideal deal got done. How I mean, I feel like we've talked about this weekly for six months here.

And this is very much in my mind. I mean, it's it's a marriage of convenience. This has gone through, you know, go all the way back to March when the 49ers didn't want to get this deal done at. Let's call it twenty five percent less than what it ultimately cost them here. They just based upon where they are at salary cap wise, the guys that they're paying, they weren't willing to get into that stratosphere. So you have this off season long standoff. You have a bunch of different meetings of a you with Kyle Shanahan, with other members of the organization, John Lynch.

Then at the start of camp, obviously the hold in begins. They're still hopeful maybe something's going to happen, but the 49ers really want to make him another offer. Then the 49ers start calling a bunch of different teams.

The Patriots, the Browns, the Steelers, they're all in on it. But they all of a sudden it became clear you wasn't going to go to another team. Again, this thing keeps going back and forth. Earlier this week, the 49ers are calling teams again and say, what if we tried to reengage?

What if we can get you to come there? Could we trade him to Pittsburgh and still get this? In the end, they were they were like a million dollars apart. And I know that, you know, Ryan Williams, who's IU's agent, got on social media last night. There was speculation of, oh, you know, it's the same deal they had on the table three weeks ago.

And wrote something along the lines of that's factually inaccurate, but the check still cashes. They were like a million dollars apart, which in my mind is the one yard line. It's also a great reminder that there is no close on these deals. It's done or it's not. We can all sit back and go, was it really worth three weeks at multiple walkouts and nearly trading them away?

And IU being mad and all the posts? Was it worth it for that extra few million dollars out in like the fourth year of the extension? You can argue that either way.

I'd say no. If you're going to pay him twenty nine, why not just pay him thirty? They got to the number. IU had a number in his head.

The 49ers didn't want to go there. In the end, they found a way to get it done. But this was very edgy rich until like the last 48 hours here.

He was in the building and walked out two days ago because he was mad. So but the number that they reached, isn't that with money on the back end that he, IU may never see? It's a strong deal up front. The issue was whether or not they would put the extra four million dollars in the fourth year to bring the average. So why didn't they do that to begin with? Because there are teams that have fundamental principles that they operate their business by. They had gotten to a certain number that, again, they never intended to go to here.

That's why I go back to the marriage of convenience. You had Ayuk, who wasn't going to get paid as much anyplace else. Definitely wouldn't be with a Kyle Shanahan level play caller and a quarterback as played like Brock Purdy. I mean, Pittsburgh was the place that ultimately, after he vetoed New England, vetoed Cleveland, he wanted to go. Mike Tomlin, I get why you want to play for Mike Tomlin, because every year you know you're going to be in the fight. But Russell Wilson and Justin Fields are both on one year contracts.

You could sign there. And the next year you're playing with, I don't know who, somebody that they're drafting somewhere late in the first round. Another free agent signing. Maybe it's still Russ. Maybe it's Fields.

You have no idea. So he didn't have the greatest option. The 49ers called everybody, trying to get a wide receiver. We talked about this. It was like a month ago when I brought up the idea of, listen, the trade is still possible here. And you're like, well, who would they trade for?

I said, well, it's probably someone you're not thinking of. And that's where Amari Cooper's name all of a sudden comes up. They called on high profile receivers from other teams. GMs in mid-August aren't going, you know what, yeah, let's trade the number one, number two receiver on our team for a second-round pick. Yeah, for draft considerations. Yeah, exactly. You're going to get a two, roughly, for IU.

Then you're going to put that out for a lesser player. Neither side could make the other part add up. And so the 49ers, as Mike Garofolo explained on the show last night, they basically gave him a choice. Listen, you can go to Pittsburgh or you can stay here and try to finish off what you started.

IU said, you know what, I'm going to stay. They got to the number and now we'll see how it goes moving forward. Well, the moving forward is Trent Williams now.

What's happening there? I think that, based on my understanding, the 49ers never thought Trent's going to retire. They think that he's going to play. They always have intended to give him an upgraded contract here once he got in the building.

He's still not in the building. Not having, though, the IU pressure, I think now alleviates some of what was maybe holding things up with Trent Williams. So there have been a lot of talks.

I haven't gotten the sense, at least up until yesterday, that they were close on a deal. Does it get done prior to week one? Trent Williams is a guy. He's already racked up millions of dollars in fines this time around. But it's the same guy who sat out an entire year in Washington because he was mad at the organization and didn't want to go back there. I think that it gets done at some point. Is it going to be prior to week one? We'll find out in the coming days. So does Ayuk's deal affect Jamar Chase's at all, or does the C.D. Lamb's deal affect Jamar Chase's more? The Brandon Ayuk situation was much more complicated than the Jamar Chase situation, but the math is much more complicated with Jamar Chase. So no, the Ayuk deal shouldn't have any bearing on Jamar Chase because Chase is going to get more money. The issue with trying to get a Jamar Chase deal done is the fact that he's got two years left on his contract. That doesn't say the Bengals won't do a deal. They've been willing to have a real negotiation.

But up until C.D. Lamb's deal got done, it was hard because maybe the side of Jamar Chase wanted to see exactly where that Lamb deal ended up coming in. When you have two years left on his contract, Chase has two years and like $26 million left on his deal, as opposed to Ayuk had won for 14. It's just hard if you do the extension to push enough money into the front part of that deal for it to make sense. In other words, a four-year, $120 million extension for Jamar Chase would be spread over six years.

And so the way that the cash flow works is just a little bit different. That's not to say you can't get a deal done. We saw Jalen Waddle get down earlier this season. We saw Devonta Smith get down earlier this offseason. But it is a little different calculation, and I don't know why Jamar Chase would take any less than his buddy Justin Jefferson got. Jefferson also had to play out the fourth year on his contract. He turned down significant money the year before, ended up getting more on the back end. Jamar Chase might have to do the same thing.

We'll see. So he might not sign at all. So the Bengals would have two guys in Higgins and Chase trying to get as much money as they can in future deals this year with Burrow coming back and being healthy.

I mean, those are two hungry guys. Or would Chase really go out there on the field without another year? Because he certainly has been, you know, his participation certainly has been saying otherwise. Well, and this is also the difference, though, between the hold-in and the hold-out. Because the hold-out, you don't get paid if you miss those gains, but you stay away. Eventually you have to show up by roughly midseason because otherwise your contract tolls and you'd be under contract for another year with your team. The hold-in, I think I've explained this here before, it's not a thing.

There is no hold-in in the CBA. This is literally an invention in the last ten years where agents have kind of pushed this of, hey, you're going to go in, in IU's case you're going to say, hey, my back's kind of sore. And you milk that for like six weeks, okay?

But that's not something you're totally allowed to do. At any point the team can do what the 49ers did two days ago, which is he passed his physical. We expect them to practice.

And once he didn't, now you can find them. With Jamar Chase, all Zach Taylor has said repeatedly, he said the other day he's fully healthy. So again, there's your clue that this is not something now that the team is on board with here. But at some point you need to show up. The next step, if the player would refuse, and again, you could try to go down the road of, hey, I'm going to claim on the Thursday before the game, my hamstring's tweaked. You can do those things, but at some point here there's grievances, there's team action, there's a bunch of things in the CBA in terms of conduct detrimental to the team.

Including suspending a guy. I asked the GM this yesterday. What would happen if you got to it? Like what would be the next step? You find the guy, he's still not practicing, but he's there to try to avoid the big finds. It would be suspending him, but the GM said that's also the option where now the whole thing explodes.

Like the relationship is in really rough shape. That's kind of a last resort here. So that leads me to, I still believe that the best and most logical course of action here is that Jamar Chase plays with or without a deal. Let's see if they can actually make proactive steps toward getting a contract done.

If not, he may have to go out there absent some kind of injury reel or imagine that allows him to continue the way that he's approached this. Tom Pelissero with some real talk. Let's take a break and then we'll dive into Dak, man. 844-204, rich number to dial. If you're on hold, stay on hold because Blake Korm's right after Tommy P right here on the Rich Eisen Show.

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844204 Rich. We've got a whole bunch of folks. Don't worry. We will get to it before what's more likely in hour number three. Dude, I mean, what's going on with Dak? I mean, there's no doubt if the Dallas Cowboys want to keep him the Dallas Cowboys quarterback and not mess with Texas in any way, shape or form, they got to do it before week one, right?

Essentially. Well, has... Hypothetically, you can do it later, but the best opportunity you have to get the deal done is before week one. So there's no collective bargaining agreement language that would prevent them from extending Dak during the season, unlike the franchise tagging once if you pass a deadline, you can't touch it until the next season. This is more of a Dak deadline in terms of he doesn't want to be thinking about the contract during the season. Either you ramp it up, you get it done now.

Not to say it couldn't happen, it would just be unorthodox out of the ordinary for them to do it that way. So I wanted to get those parameters before we dig in here. What's he asking for? 60 plus? I think it's less about what he's asking for as much as it is this needs to be the perfect deal.

I think that everybody realistically thinks 60 is the aiming point here. It's going to be about the way that the deal is structured. What? Cash? Cash? You're talking about cash that he gets?

How much of it is in cash? It's going to be about the guarantees. Mahomes doesn't have a top APY, but he's making the most cash.

Right. It's also about the guarantees and how they structure those guarantees in the future because the Cowboys long have done longer deals and then they've had really strong cash flow at the front, but they buy up all those future years. We've also had some of the mechanics and contracts have been, if it's a four-year extension, the third and fourth year aren't fully guaranteed at signing.

It's all these different things. When you're Dack and his agent Todd France, you can sit back and go, we're going to win either way here. In other words, you give us everything now.

You give us the exact contract that we want to sign or we'll just wait until March and then whether it's from you or somebody else, we'll get that if not better. For the Cowboys, they are having those conversations. There are negotiations going on. Do they get all the way to that point? It remains to be seen. I remember I mentioned back when I was hosting the show a month or so ago, there is a pathway for this to get done.

How is it? It would not shock me if this deal gets done prior to the start of the regular season. In part because as much as their organizational philosophy in Dallas has been to kick the can down the road on these things and it took forever to get the C.D. Lamb deal done, they still don't have a new deal done with their head coach Mike McCarthy. They still have a deal done with Dack.

You're starting to see the wheels turning a little bit more here. They got C.D. and once they got back to Dallas with Dack, if he leaves, OK, if he leaves somewhere else in free agency here, what do you do with that position? Trey Lance is a very interesting developmental prospect, but he's in a contract here. They don't have a quarterback under contract for 2025.

So what exactly is your pivot? Is it you're going to trade the farm to go get your friend Deion Sanders son and draft him in the first round next year? Is it you're going to hope that somebody else becomes available by a trade?

In other words, the unknown, as much as everybody, yes. Has Dack won big in the past? Has he won a Super Bowl?

No. He's one of the best quarterbacks in football last year, had his best season statistically and just from the eye test in his first year with Mike McCarthy calling the place. These two guys and they're both free agents. I mean, you guys have a situation where they both leave and go somewhere together next year if you don't get these contracts done. There's a lot of reasons for the Cowboys to want to get this deal done. There are signs that they are motivated finally to get this deal done. But that's different than saying Dack is actually going to get the type of contract that's going to make him give up something that is so rare, which is the opportunity to hit unfettered free agency.

So correct me if I'm wrong here on these facts. Dack cannot be traded without his consent. No trade clause, right?

Dack cannot be traded without his consent, which is the case with any top quarterback too, because you're not going to trade what it would cost without getting a new deal in place. But he's got a no trade clause. He's got a no franchise tagging clause, correct?

Right. Most still franchise quarterback, most top players in essence have a no trade clause. No trade clauses are fun to talk about because there aren't that many of them within the league. But anybody who's going to require, I mean Brandon Iook effectively showed he had a no trade clause even though he didn't because you just go, I'm not going to sign anywhere.

I'm just saying I'm trying to go down one by one, the leverage that Dack has here. No trade clause, right? And he's got a no franchise clause. He doesn't have a no franchise clause. It would be a third tag, which is 144% of this year's cap number, which is like $80 million. So again, effectively, no tag.

If he leaves by free agency, it leaves a $40 million dead cap charge on the Cowboys. It accelerates because they've turned it in future years. It accelerates it into next year. Okay. Correct.

So those are all facts. Correct. They don't have another contract for, they don't have any other quarterback under contract for 2025.

One year Trey Lance's rookie deal is up. Okay. You know, it's just all signs point to, you've got to do this. And here we are, you know, nine days before the season. Why do they do this?

Why? I mean, Clarence Hill, I asked this question and he said that the Joneses just have to win win deals that they just, they can't, they they've got to win the art of the deal. They have to do it. The art of their deal. Maybe they're being beaten on the art of this deal. It's clear that they are, or they appear to be, you know, a like a, a, a, a cornerback that's been beating that's been beaten and is swimming hard to try and get to the receiver.

That's five yards down the field and it's going to draw the flag. You know what I mean? Like that's the way it looks in this deal. Am I wrong on this?

Well, you can, did they win this? The art of the deal on CD lamb, maybe the art of the deal, it played out the way they wanted it to. I'm not saying that that's what the result is.

I'm just wondering why, why are, why are we going through talking about this? Well, my point on CD was they eventually paid him 34. If they did this deal back in February and said, look at all these other receivers are going to get paid, maybe that deal gets done at 32 or 33.

So you're not saving money. You rarely with top players, definitely not with franchise quarterbacks save money by waiting. Sometimes teams get burned.

Okay. The Eagles paid Carson Wentz early. The Rams paid Jared Goff early.

The Cardinals, we'll see how it plays out. Kyler Murray seems to have already behind him now, but it looked like, man, maybe that was not a great idea to pay him early. But if you've got the, but if you want to get the best value, doing those contracts sooner is generally better. So we're already out the door of when other teams would have tried to get these deals done with DAC.

Now you've put yourself up against the wall here. I know Jerry said the other day, you know, while CD was the one who is not here, DAC has been here. In other words, that's why we got CD done first, which sends a pretty clear message to everybody else who comes up with the Cowboys.

Hey, just hold out. Cause then they'll think that's the priority. With DAC though, yeah, you're pushing up against a soft deadline, which is the start of the regular season here. Jerry likes headlines. There's no doubt about it. We have talked a lot about the Cowboys here and everything surrounding all these different situations. They are, again, there are signs that they're motivated to get a deal done with DAC Prescott. Should they have done this in March? You certainly made an intellectual argument that most franchises would have, but there is still time.

The number probably hasn't changed that much. You are going to have to give up a lot here to the player, to get him under contract. And DAC maybe sent a message of his own yesterday by saying, when he was asked, what does it mean if it's still done to get done, said just the way that people feel.

So because I'm hunting and pecking for team leverage here. I think maybe I've found it because you said DAC's camping, rightfully so, is like, if we don't get it from you, we're going to get it in free agency. Who is going to spend $60 million a year on someone else's quarterback next year? Give me the DAC market.

Give me the DAC market for 2025. Team spend, Rich, in this off-season, $55 million to re-sign Tua Tungovailoa, $55 million to re-sign Trevor Lawrence, $52 million to re-sign Jared Goff. Kirk Cousins, 36 years old, coming off a tour in Achilles, signed for $45 million a year and $100 million guaranteed. That's $45, not $60. That's $45, not $60.

These are still massive, massive numbers. Dak Prescott was one of the top vote-getters for MVP. I understand that. A year ago. I get it. So to give me the team.

The answer is somebody. Okay. Well, let's, let's get on the list of who has the uncertain quarterback situation where you don't know their future plan. Matthew Stafford in LA effectively is on a one-year contract.

Okay. He got a raise to $40 million this year. He gave up his future guarantees. We don't know if Matthew Stafford's going to play football in 2025. Put the Rams on the list. The Raiders right now are proceeding with Gardner Minshew as their starter, Aidan O'Connell as the backup. It is fair to say after all the speculation about whether they were going to draft a quarterback, if Michael Pennix had been there, would they have taken him at number 12? It's fair to say the Raiders quite possibly are going to be in the starting quarterback market. What is Seattle's plan moving forward at the quarterback position? You've got Geno Smith under contract. This is really the last year of where you're kind of committed to Geno Smith.

They traded for Sam Howell, but he was just available in this offseason for a late round draft pick in a trade with Washington. So they quite possibly are going to be in the quarterback market. Cleveland's tied to Deshaun Watson for another two years beyond this one for $92 million guaranteed.

But let's say it doesn't work out. Let's say Deshaun Watson gets hurt again or isn't playing well enough. Does Cleveland decide, hey, it's the right time to move on? The Giants are in the last guaranteed year of Daniel Jones' contract. You can't tell me if Dak Prescott is available and your options are keeping Daniel Jones around on a non-guaranteed year.

Is TJ getting really stressed looking behind me? I'm sure. Yeah. I'm just listening to us.

This is off the top of my head, Rich. I didn't come prepared to answer this question. There are a lot of teams, the Steelers have two quarterbacks who are on one-year contracts at this point. What are the Tennessee Titans going to do if Will Levis is not the dude?

They just moved on from the other one. And Malik Willis, I doubt Mason Rudolph is a starting quarterback plan. And I'm sure there's several others that I haven't even mentioned here. That's already six teams right there who, if they don't have the guy, you can look into the draft here. And I know that based on when the scouts had their meetings earlier on in the spring, there's like five or six guys who maybe could emerge with first-round grades out of this.

But those are not sure bets. Even the six guys who were taking the top 12 picks this year, history would suggest that only two or three of them are going to work out. And look how quickly teams have moved on from high draft picks in recent years. In this off-season, you had Mac Jones change teams, Sam Holly, I know he wasn't a high drafted quarterback, but he was playing a lot. He changed teams. Zach Wilson changed teams. Trey Lance was already gone after year two. Justin Fields. In other words, let's wind it back in Justin Fields as well.

All right. Who are the guys who were in last year's draft class? Well, Bryce Young, who it didn't look good in year one, and again, I'm not sitting here saying they're going to move on from just Young, but if you have two bad years in a row, you look around the league and you'd say, maybe they're looking out there. If Anthony Richardson gets hurt again, again, the Colts believe in Anthony Richardson. They want to be the guy. But if it doesn't work out, you can name any number of teams, Rich, as much as it's been going for 20 years, unless you're in Green Bay, you play the quarterback immediately.

And if it doesn't work out, you move on from the guy really fast. Like the Giants are the rare team at Daniel Jones where they doubled down on, well, we don't know yet. We want to give them a little bit more time. There's any number of places and there just aren't a lot of quarterbacks who are going to be available.

You don't have to give up something in terms of draft capital to get them. And this man woke up at three in the morning. I've already, I got a four hour head start here, getting ready for this segment up still here on the, on the Roku channel. So basically what Tommy P just told me is that we got to sign that press call.

There ain't no choice in the matter. We got to call Jerry, play that segment for him. I think he gets it. I think he gets it. I think the Cowboys are making an honest effort right now to get it done.

Will it actually get across the goal line? It's going to have to be a hell of a deal. Damn DAC is the Cowboys, a quarterback or DAC is the giant's quarterback. What's better. What's better for our business.

DAC is the giant's quarterback or deck leaving Dallas to go to the giants. It's better for us, right? Yes.

100%. It's a better for us. Best thing since farm on the Vikings media, the rivalry aspects is that good for me. You are part of this market. Okay. Well, I don't like that.

I don't like that at all. You're part of this media. You're part of us as a media to talk about DAC is a giant quarterback, I'd say it's DAC is a giant quarterback. The best thing for us as an industry is that this deal doesn't get done and we got six more months of this rich and then, and then he, and then he becomes the giant's quarterback and wins the super bowl. Wow. Come on. At least makes the NFC championship game. Yeah. What a couple of playoff game. What are you guys talking about? Free agency frenzy 20, 25 feel the excitement on the insiders on NFL plus. That's the time for Tommy P and his coconut oil and his LA pants, man, you, when did you buy these pants? Two minutes ago. Yeah. Play corn.

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