Mike Florio on what's the hold up with Jordan Love's contract extension

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I'm doing well. Yeah. Our show's still off for another few weeks. There's something called the Olympics that's coming up soon. I've heard of it from time to time. I've heard of that. Keeping us offline. We're back on August 12th. I've been doing my afternoon podcast, PFT PM, just to kind of, you know, you got to keep the sweat going.

You got to be able to talk and make sense, which is something I still struggle to do at times. Right. And, you know, just trying to, you know, I guess, cross streams with the Olympics and whatever you're already checking out to see if South Sudan might beat us in flag football one day soon. You never know, right?

You never know. Check out the flag football scene. Hey, listen, Mike, let's just jump into some of these stories at the outset of training camp season. What best of your knowledge is going on between the Packers and Jordan Love's representation that's keeping Love off the field at present? They're trying to get a deal done. And, you know, they say it's a deadline driven business.

The question is, when's the real deadline? The Packers apparently didn't regard the start of training camp as the deadline. And we've seen players hold in.

It's become kind of a thing in recent years. T.J. Watt did it, eventually got his contract. Roquan Smith did it in Chicago a couple of years ago, eventually didn't get his contract. But the player shows up, doesn't hold out, isn't fine. He's there, but he's not practicing. He's not putting himself in harm's way for Jordan Love. It's a ten and a half million dollar salary this year.

He deserves more. The two sides haven't come together yet. I was told yesterday it's more money than structure. But with a deal like this, there's a lot of factors that go into it. How much are they going to guarantee at signing? How many years are they going to be on the hook for? You know, he finished strong last year, but the first half of last year wasn't all that great.

We forget about it because of how they finished and what they did in the postseason. But they're sold on. And the question is, what's the price going to be? Does it start with a five? Does it start with a four? Does it maybe start with a six? I doubt that. But that's really what it comes down to. Yes, he deserves a second contract, technically a third contract.

What is it going to be? They haven't worked it out yet. And the clock is ticking because it's kind of hard to get your starting offense ready when your starting quarterback is in practice.

Yeah. I mean, you know, Sean Clifford, that's not what the Packers wanted to have working with their ones to start their training camp season. And every training camp practice is sacred, man. That's certainly the way coaches are looking at it because of how few times you can put pads on players during the season or how smart it would be to do that sort of thing.

Not like you really want to put pads and get your quarterback hit. But it is just when you got everybody else out there scrimmaging, you want your main guy out there. But isn't this something that we knew would come down the pike at some point that while you were, you know, giving Rogers his time and winning MVP seasons, that at some point you'd have to make some sort of generationally enriching decision on Jordan Love with a lot of sight unseen, Mike? Absolutely.

No, they've known this was coming in. This is a good thing to have. I hate that phrase, though, when people say it's a good problem to have.

The only good problem is no problem. But they're looking at the potential. Brett Farve to Aaron Rogers, to Jordan Love. And what we saw second half of last year puts Jordan Love in position to have the kind of career that we've seen from Farvin Rogers. There's still a lot of time to go.

There's a lot to be proven. What value do you put on what he's done so far and really what he is expected to do this year, next year and the year beyond? And the big difference, too, is Packers don't have an owner. Packers don't have somebody who might try to take some of that money to go renovate the superyacht. This is all money that can be reinvested in the team. They're really only dealing with the salary cap here. How do they balance out all the different players, all the different needs?

What do they budget to the most important position on the field? But this is really for the Packers. Yes, they're on track to an unprecedented one great quarterback, two great quarterbacks, three great quarterbacks in a row.

We've never seen more than two back to back. So they're in great position here. They just got to work out this side of it. And we've all known it's coming. And Love has said he wants it before training camp. Well, it didn't happen.

So now better get it done until you do. Like you said, it's Sean Clifford out there with the ones. What's your best guess as to who gets a more high gets a higher annual payment? Is it Tua or Jordan Love? I think it's Jordan Love.

I think it's Jordan Love. And, you know, I think Tua, we haven't heard anything along these lines. And it really wouldn't go with Tua's overall personality and vibe. He might have to hold out to get what he wants because I could see the Dolphins making a last best offer before the start of training camp. It is going to be a lot better than the twenty three point one million he's due to make this year. But him saying it's still not enough. It's still not what I want. Yeah, it's smarter for me to take that than to play under the fifth year of my rookie contract. I want what I want.

And the only way I'm going to get it is to stay away altogether. Now, obviously, Love didn't do it. Maybe Tua will hold in. But I think at the end of the day, Love ends up with more because I just don't see the Dolphins making a market level investment in Tua.

There's too many question marks there. He said a few weeks ago, the market is the market, but I don't see the Dolphins going there with him. And the other important thing to remember, which we rarely talk about this because we get so caught up in the numbers. There will be a structure that will provide an escape hatch for the team. We saw it with Derek Carr's contract with the Raiders two years ago. He made a big deal about 40 million a year.

This that or the other thing. They were able to get out after one year. So that's going to be one of the key details for Tua, for Jordan Love, for any of these contracts. How long is the team truly committed? Is it a Browns and Deshaun Watson situation where you're stuck for five years or is it, you know, after one or two years, if it's not working, we can just we can just say, see you later.

We're going to find somebody else. So what gives you the impression or the gut feeling or what have you that the Dolphins are hedging potentially from giving to the market contract that the Jaguars gave Trevor Lawrence? Is it health? Is it talent?

What is it? Because outwardly, what you hear from Mike McDaniel is a love for Tua. You hear the same thing from Tyreek.

Um, so I'll just ask that question and lay out get your answer here. Well, I think it's a combination of health and this kind of nagging question of how many other quarterbacks out there can do in that offense exactly what Tua has been doing. And are there quarterbacks that can do an even better job? How much of his success is the result of the innate skills and abilities of Tua? How much of it is the Mike McDaniel offense? Now, the Tua side would say, hey, he processes quickly, makes decisions, gets rid of the ball, runs the offense, the other side of it would say, there's other guys out there that could do it if they were tutored by Mike McDaniel.

But I will tell you this, it's been a few weeks that I've really thought about Tua and the thoughts are creeping back into my brain. His side wants a market value deal. They want top of the market. And I just don't see Stephen Ross, the owner of the team, saying, I'll sign off on 55, 56, 57 million a year. But there's always the chance that they could do something that looks great on paper, but has that escape hatch or has a structure that that doesn't support and doesn't mesh with the big number that we see, you know, the Trevor Lawrence deal.

Oh, it's 55. When you pick it apart and look at what he had left and look at the structure, it's really not a massive contract, not as massive as market value would suggest. So there are ways to do this to create the impression he's getting a lot of money, but the Dolphins still have some flexibility in the event. There's a backslide from Tua. You know, he lost a lot of weight this year. There was that event back in June where people didn't even know who he was. I want to see how durable that guy is going to be when he's 20, looked 20 to 25 pounds lighter than he was last year.

You take off that natural suit of armor. It may be harder to stay healthy than it was last year. Mike Flores, pro football talk and author of father of mine, which is available on Amazon this week for 99 cents. And you can pre-order the ebook for 4 99 coming up at the top of the NFL season in September, right here on the rich eyes and show Brandon.

I finally said the words trade me. What happens? Well, it all depends upon how far he's willing to push this. It's like Costanza on the way out to his fictional house on long Island. How far is he going to earn the Hamptons and the Hamptons is that that's on long Island, right? Yeah. It's all good. Mike solarium. He had two solariums and he had two horses, Snoopy and prickly Pete.

How far is Brandon? Are you willing to push this? Will he not show up like Nick Bosa did last year? I think one thing he's learned is the 49ers respond to the squeaky wheel and he really hadn't been squeak all that much. Remember when Deebo Samuel wanted his contract and he's like, I want out. And he convinced everybody he wanted out. And then they made him an offer and he said, maybe I don't want out Nick Bosa last year held out until he got what he wanted.

I could been very compliant and now that's changed. So what are they going to do? You know, the problem with trading him now, what do you get in return that helps you now you're parting with one of your key players and you're not getting assets that can be used now unless somebody has a player out there that they would say, okay, we'll take that guy in exchange for Brandon. I, I really do think rich that the 49ers wanted to hold their nucleus together for one more year and then make hard decisions after this season about Brandon.

I about Deebo Samuel about George Kittle. I is accelerating that by making it clear. He doesn't want to play for 14.1 million.

I think it's a mess for everyone. And there's a chance he just shows up and he's, he's, he's not as motivated as he was last year. Maybe he gets a little banged up and he chooses not to play through it. Cause he's got no financial security beyond this season. You know, if he, if he ultimately cries uncle, I have a feeling he's not going to have the kind of year that causes him to be second in the NFL and yards per target and second team all pro. So that, that just, again, makes no sense to me why, why the Niners would comply right now. And, and I, I always, you know, would love to see players with the hammer.

I just don't see him having it. You know what I mean? Like these only hammer is to swing it and say, enjoy, you know, playing Monday night football without me against the jets week one, like, and really, and then, and then how far do you take that?

Right? Like that seems to be it, but it also seems like the Niners don't, don't usually, I mean, why would they want to have that problem hanging over their team? Like that is, that is not, they paid all their key guys. They paid all their key guys. They traded to force Buckner and they squeezed Eric Armstead for a take a pay cut or take a hike ultimatum. Otherwise they pay their key players. They paid Christian McCaffrey at a time when it wasn't obvious that he was a squeaky wheel.

Although I think he was doing it very discreetly and very quietly, making it known that it's time for him to be taken care of. But Nick Bosa last year, same situation, didn't show up, didn't show up, didn't show up, got his contract. So if I is willing to incur the daily fines and when you're in your fifth year option, you miss a preseason game, you can be fined the amount of a regular season game checks.

So it can get very expensive. Now those can be waived. Guys on first contract, those can be waived. Bosa did it last year. And I'd like to think if IU does it this year though, they'll eventually do something, either trade.

And I keep coming back to this, Rich. We reported over the weekend that before the draft, the 49ers and IUX agents were trying to work something out. And I think he wanted 28 at the time. He probably wants more now and he should.

The market's changed. The 49ers basically said, go find somebody else who'll give you 28. They were authorized to go look to see if there was somebody who would trade for him and pay him 28. Five teams would do it.

So think about this. There are five teams that would have paid him what he wanted and given the 49ers value to trade for him. There just wasn't an offer big enough to get the 49ers to say yes. All the 49ers have to just pay him.

They don't have to give anybody anything. So five teams are willing to pay him and give something up. Why wouldn't the 49ers just pay him what he wants? Oreo here, a few minutes left with the creator and editor in chief of Pro Football Talk. I know it's dangerous to ask you to interpret Aaron Rodgers' comments, but we haven't spoken since he was strolling off of a tee box in Lake Tahoe and talking about Devante Adams to, I believe, a Jets blog site. Pardon me if I'm wrong on that. But, quote, I love Devante.

Can't wait to play with him. Pause. Again, Adams' representation said he's a Raider, doesn't want to play with him. He's a Raider, doesn't want to get traded. What was that all about? Because it makes it seem like there's got to be some smoke for Rodgers to say something like that, you know?

Well, a couple of things. I watched the full receiver series over the weekend, and there are more than a few scenes where it's clear that Devante Adams isn't thrilled being with the Raiders. Now, that changed when Antonio Pierce became the interim coach. But still, all in all, he'd probably welcome a reunion with Aaron Rodgers. He said recently to Shannon Sharp, he wants Tom Brady to come out of retirement and be the quarterback of the Las Vegas Raiders. So even if there's nothing going on, it could be that folks are anticipating the possibility of a phone call or two, and there it goes.

Now, here's the other wrinkle, Rich. I think the Jets decided after last year that they are out of the Aaron Rodgers friends and former teammates business. They might make an exception for a player like Devante Adams.

I think so, right? But generally speaking, they saw last year Aaron Rodgers is a great quarterback. He's not a very good general manager.

So they are generally not moving in that direction. You saw David Bakhtari was available. He's not going to be a Jet unless somebody decides to completely change their position. But yeah, it's easier to justify it with Devante Adams if there's a trade to be had. Well, again, I don't see why the Raiders would do that at the outset of a season. But looking at the receiver stuff, as you are referring to the Netflix documentary, his frustration with Jimmy Garoppolo was when also Josh McDaniels was the coach. Neither of those guys are there, but it is Gardner Minshew and Aidan O'Connell as well.

It's not Aaron Rodgers. And so that's where I go back and forth as to what Adams might be really wanting behind the scenes. This seems like something to bear, keep an eye on if Jets start well, Raiders don't. Trade deadline, even though they did push that later into the season. I just don't see why something like that would happen now. It just makes no sense. Everybody's ready to roll. Everyone's hitting training camp.

Everybody thinks they can go 17-0. I don't see it. I don't see it.

I don't see it. You make a good point. I mean, we'll learn a lot over the first nine weeks of the season. They moved the trade deadline back to the Tuesday after week nine. And maybe the Raiders are in a position where they, they fold tents on this season. They get value for Devante Adams and trade him to the Jets. If the Jets are even good enough, they've got that not necessarily murderers row by way of opponents, but my God, you got a quarterback that's taken four snaps since January of 2023. And he's going to play three games in 10 days to start the season. And they do the three games in 10 days thing later in the first half of the season. So, you know, if the Jets can survive and are in position to contend at or about the trade deadline, would it be crazy for a Devante Adams trade to happen?

If the Raiders aren't contending, that wouldn't be crazy at all. We've seen things like that happen time and time again over the years. Mike really appreciate the time. Let's do this more often again. Now that I mean, this is it, right? This is it. It's over.

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I hear you. And for each team I gave a, you know, what did I have? Who did I have a Stifler? You know what I mean?

I think I forget what might've been the Browns were Stifler. I don't know. So I hear you. I didn't know which way you were going with that. I'm glad you went the way you did with it.

There's a lot of ways that could have gone five. Yeah. I love it. Uh, again, father of mine, 99 cents on Amazon this week, correct?

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I believe so. Uh, all right, Chris, I'll, I'll give you, I'll give you, who do you think we should take here? Oh, let's, let's, let's go bears one. I like your massage in Chicago, Illinois. Good to massage. Did I say it? Correct? Yes, sir. Okay. You're in Chicago. You're in Chicago right now.

Is that where you are? Oh yeah. Okay.

What do you got for me? You want to play the win loss game for the bears? Yes, sir. Okay. Let's do it. There we go.

Hit it, please. Let's give Mossav his music starting at home with the Tennessee Titans. I think that's the win. That's a surprise.

I think Houston Texans. So this is a tricky one. I'm going to say a loss, but I think we could kind of sneak one in. See, that's not the way we play it. Yeah. It's win or loss, win or loss. Okay.

Okay. At the Indianapolis Colts. I think that's a win.

AAR still needs to get his feet under him. All right. Two and one home for the Rams. We're on a little home streak right now, like a two game, two games at home. I think we started off with a win. And then you got the Panthers at home next. Easy win. Four and one. Now you go to Tottenham to take on the Jaguars.

This is where it's a little tricky. Trevor Lawrence is pretty good at London. He's played a couple of times there.

I say it's a loss. Four and two off the buy at the commanders. When? Five and two at the Cardinals. When? Six and two home for the Patriots. Sorry, Brockman.

When? Seven and two home for the Packers. I think we finally start to get rolling and we beat the Packers. You're eight and two home for the Vikings. Another win. Nine and two at the Lions on Thanksgiving. I'll, I'll give it to the Lions. Nine and three at the 49ers. It's another loss. Nine and four at the Vikings on a Monday night. Where we bounce back. Ten and four home for the Lions.

We always play the Lions good. Another win. Eleven and four home for the Seahawks on a Thursday night. This could be a trap game. I'm going to say it's a loss. Eleven and five at the Packers. I think we're playing for playoffs and maybe even division.

I think we win. Twelve and five. Whoa, baby.

Mossab, in Chicago. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. There's a win in the North. Well, twelve and five would do it, I think.

That would get flustered, coach of the year. Certainly, if you, well, you split, thanks for the call. You're splitting with the Lions, sweeping the Vikings, and splitting with the, and, and sweeping the Packers.

All right. You, you win the division. Twelve and five with those results.

Dude, we have gotten four Bears win-loss players in my book here. All of them say they start with a win at home against the Titans. Okay. All of them think, let's see.

They lose the Lions on Thanksgiving. That's correct. You've got that, too. Yeah. All of them say they start with a win at home against the Titans. That's correct. You've got that, too.

Yeah. All of them say they lose to the Lions on Thanksgiving. And they all lose to the Seahawks on the 26th. And the only one, Connor in Norway is the only one that did not think they sweep the Vikings. He's the only one that has them losing the second game to the Vikings on a Monday night, right before Christmas. Everyone thinks they lose the final Thursday night game of the year, which is the home date with Seattle, the day after Christmas.

That's a, that's a, that's going to be freezing. Yeah. And they all think they finish up with a win in Lambeau, week, week 18. How about that?

I miss it. Do Moat have them beating the Jags or losing to the Jags? He said lose. They, he had them losing to the Jags, which is a split, a split. The four guy, four, four, four have called in, but there's two 11 and sixes and two 12 and fives. The Bears fans are, they're feeling it.

Yeah. Adam, Rich this weekend, Adam sent Chris and I a video of Caleb Williams throwing a, just a beautiful pass. And then he wrote a word under there that we can't say on air, but it really shows how excited he is as a man to watch Caleb Williams throw the football. Let's just say good. It's overreaction Monday time. People are we ready? Let's go.

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What do you got? It seems like this is happening. So I'm like a soothsayer, but Jordan Love should hold out or hold in until he gets a new monster contract. I wouldn't hold out. Holding in is all he's going to need to do. This is going to get done.

I have no concern, but holding in makes complete sense. You had this written before news came out today yesterday on the flight from Pittsburgh to Dallas of what he reportedly informed the team of over the weekend is that he's not practicing until he gets his contract, which will again, Mike Florio just left our program saying it's a midnight deadline league. We just don't know when midnight strikes in terms of this conundrum. I don't think I don't think it's week one.

This will be done well before they're getting ready to go to Brazil done this week. That I can't tell you. I don't know. But the fact that, you know, he won't be out there with the ones in these practices, if they reach that point, I don't know. But holding out won't happen. Holding in makes complete sense.

I get it. We know if he's there. Is he in Green Bay? I'm assuming he's holding in.

Yeah. What else? While you were gone, we were talking to Mike Garofalo while he was golfing and Brandon Aiyuk asked for a trade and then you get the report that they had some offers before the draft. The Niners screwed this up. Not trading Brandon Aiyuk before the draft. What were the offers before the draft? I think the Patriots offered a Forget it. No.

What do you mean? They have a history of doing deals together. The Patriots weren't going to offer third overall. So what are they going to offer? A second night pick for Brandon Aiyuk? Second rounder. Which was 30 whatever.

So what? He's worth a first rounder right now. That's basically a first round pick.

That's not basically. He's worth a first rounder? How would he not be?

Oh, interesting. You think he's a top 10 wide receiver? I think he's going to be paid like one shortly. That was not my question. Sure. I think he is.

Sure. Not confident. He would be worth a first round selection on a draft night just like AJ Brown was. Oh, Brandon Aiyuk's not as good as AJ Brown.

I think in this day and age you want to get somebody as good as him, you got to pay for it. There were five teams who were. Well then maybe and maybe that's why the Niners didn't swap them out. Okay. And they use their first round pick on a receiver anyway.

Then why do they make a move and get rid of this guy? I don't know. I'm just going to stop talking this way. All right. Geez. Don't yell at me. Guys, you're fighting staring this apart.

Stop. How long is this going to go for real? Is he going to miss games?

For real. Is he going to miss games? I can't imagine it gets to that point.

If it does, he might give the Jets fans what they want, which is not showing up for week one. So yeah, just tell Sauce you got 19. Don't worry about 11.

You don't have to worry about him. Geez. That wouldn't be a bad, that wouldn't be a bad, that would be a nice break for the Jets. What else?

All right. You see the clip from Kansas City over the weekend? Mahomes, rolls left, bombed to Xavier Worthy. Man, that looked good. Xavier Worthy is going to lead the Chiefs in receiving yards this year. This is exactly what overreaction Monday is all about.

Is it? Guy runs the fastest 40 in the history of the combine. We all knew he was going to the Chiefs. And then he shows up. Maybe the Raiders. And then he goes to the Chiefs.

Okay. Best quarterback in the league. Doesn't get out on the field during the spring. Worth a lick. Then he gets out in the summer, catches one pass in practice.

And it was completely viral over the weekend. Right. And then it's just now he's going to lead the team in receiving.

Lead the Chiefs in receiving. Okay. Got it. No doubt.

It won't be Kelsey. Nope. He's old. I mean, come on. Oh my goodness.

Okay. That's an overreaction. You can't cover Worthy, Rich. How do you cover him? You got Hollywood on one side. You got Kelsey on the scene. Here's how you cover him.

And you got Worthy on the other side. Listen, I'm not, I'm not doubting this is possible. Mahomes is going to run around for a little bit. I'm calling this an overreaction. Here's how you cover him. You knock him on his ass in the five yards in which you're allowed to do it.

How do you catch him? He's too fast. Okay. Gone.

Everybody has to sign Quicksilver to come from the X-Men to come. Quicks. Cover. So you're, you're thinking, you're thinking Thursday night kickoff Ravens and that defense in town.

First play the game. Gone. And if not him, it's the, it's the former Raven and Hollywood Brown. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Speed. Rich, you of all people know this, you cannot teach speed. You know this. I do know that. Come on.

More than anybody because I haven't learned a damn thing. What else, Chris? Rich, number one media market in the country is? New York City.

Did you see the news that came out of big blue in New York City though over the weekend? Which is? Daniel Jones ready for the start of camp. Ready to go.

Ready to go. Daniel Jones. Come back player of the year this year. I'm doing a 180 on Daniel Jones. What was this about?

Is this for effect? I needed a topic. I needed a football.

In his heart of hearts he don't believe that. Come back player of the year. Come back player of the year for Daniel Jones.

Okay. He's gonna start week one. Everyone thought it was gonna be Drew Locke.

Week one. It's gonna be him. He's got new toys. He's got Malik Neighbors. He's got, when did Devin Singletary's nickname become Motor?

Heard that for the first time during Hard Knocks. I have no idea. Motor is back there. I like that. Let's go. Sure. That was the most unsure. Let me see if you've ever been. Yeah sure.

Why not? Yeah. We just, did Rich, did you just come up with lower register? We mentioned Godfather part two before.

It's like Frank Pantangeli. Michael Colleoni said this. Michael Colleoni said this.

Yeah sure. I mean all Aaron Rodgers has to do is show up and play 60% of an MVP campaign and he is your comeback player of the year. Dude at age, honestly do you want to look up, who's in pole position to win comeback player of the year? More than anybody else. Who else would there be other than a guy who comes out at age 40 and might, you know, Kirk Cousins is in line for it?

Oh yeah that's probably true. Come on man. Let's see. Comeback player of the year is Joe Burrow, Rodgers. Okay please. Two to one, Kirk Cousins six to one.

Do you know how. Daniel Jones 23 to one, great odds. Do you know how much he has to do to outperform Rodgers, Burrow, and who else? Who's the other one? Glenn Whatternut. Glenn Whatternut.

Wow, that's the other one. Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins. Even Anthony Richardson. To Anthony Richardson. He would have to outplay 8,000 pounds significantly. Russell Wilson. Comeback from what?

Bench? Thinking? I think there's a better chance of Brian Dabel breaking seven seconds running a 40 with his new body. If you want to do what's more likely, that's more likely.

If there's some good chicken wings on the other side. And not because Jones can't do it, it's because I just named you the competition for the category. What else Chris?

I don't know. I'm just good. These are all good ones.

It's a good July topic. These are great. No dude, don't. By the way, by the way, own it. Don't, don't. Oh I'm just a little teaser for our season preview pot. I'm going to double down on that and it's very good. Okay put a pin in it.

Put a pin in it. All right after a little basketball here. Hey fella. After embarrassing showings over the weekend. Honestly embarrassing. Team USA wins by one point over their 43 point favorites.

That's fun. And the women got beat by the players they didn't want. Neither men or women are winning gold in Paris.

That's so ridiculous. Neither. By the way, am I not mistaken, TJ, that for the previous Olympics the WNBA All-Stars beat the U.S. women's national team and then and then what did they do?

That was the closest game they had period. Neither. Let's just put it this way. Here are here are words I've never said I've never said before.

They're performing. Did I say her name right? Yeah. She had like 8,000 points.

Here's words I've never said before. The men's national team's performance against South Sudan leaves some concerns. Right? Not really. But they should have lost. The guy had an eight-foot floater in the game. Yeah and he had to shoot over one of the best defensive players in the world and he couldn't affected the shot. So they lost. Make the shot. Total overreaction. What else? You got one more? By the way, LeBron James was the best player on that team after what I saw. By the way, did you see he's carrying the flag. First basketball player ever to do that.

Pretty cool. Last one. The home run derby next year in the major league all-star game. Well, let's get a little boost. It should just be judge versus Otani.

That should be it. Just those two guys. Get it out of the way. Home run derby. Let's get the big stars. Who everyone wants to see anyway.

All due respect to Teas. How about this? Just judge versus Otani. I like it.

Who can hit it the furthest? I like it. I like it. Two things. It'll be difficult to plan for that and then one of them, you know, is injured. Heaven forbid. So that's that's a problem.

You're leaving yourself no backstop. But what they should do is something like that. But also how does the skills challenge go?

Demi O'Neill cruise and get me Elie Dela Cruz. Run around the bases. No, no, no. Just fastest or throw the hardest. Yeah. And is it is it the Japanese league or the Korean league or maybe both that has like a bunting contest. Oh yeah. And you try to get it. Where you bunted in into the bullseye. Right.

Like it's sort of like curling. Exactly. But you know without the brooms and with a bat. I want the Tom Imanski stuff. Give me some in the outfield.

Throw it into a trash can. Yes. Let's do all of it. Let's do it.

Way more fun. Thank you so much. Well done. That's being disrespectful to Pete Alonso right there.

The by the way. Did he win? I forgot. Did he win the home run derby? He's won two. So you know.

He's won two of them. What are we doing? Yeah. By the way that's that's where you play the Tim Oliphant drop about you know nobody cares.

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Yeah and season two of What the Football with Susie and Amy also starting next month. Let's go. And a lot of other news to come.

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Lots. My man dropping analytics over here. TJ doesn't understand baseball analytics. What do you mean?

And I'm trying to just, you know, I'm trying to just learn him a little bit. He's trying to tell, giving me like well Pete Alonso's not a great power hitter because his exit velocity isn't as high as. The exit velocity on Otani's home run last night was 117 miles an hour.

That's absolutely insane. Are you saying that that Alonso's a as good a home run hitter as Joey Otani? I'm saying that he has how many? He has 211 home runs. Trying to say he has more power than Otani. I didn't say Otani. I just said in baseball he's one of the best power hitters.

You said no. Well you can't argue with that Chris. Well he's been arguing the entire commercial break. I'm trying to find the statistics to back up my claim that he's not. He has been doing good. I don't think Pete's exit velocity is as high as some of these guys.

Let me explain something to you if you don't mind me inserting myself here. A better indication of what makes a good home run hitter than exit velocity, right, is whether the ball left the yard or not. Did the ball go over the wall? That's a better indication of being a better home run hitter than what your exit velocity is. Well in a weird way I disagree because... Leave the yard or not. That's my whole point.

I don't care how fast it got out. It's the number of ballparks it would have been a home run in. Until we have a standard ballpark it's all going to be weird because every park is different. You're at Kakamei Stadium there's more home runs. There's a guy who's got a pesky pole that's five feet from first base. Get out of here. In some Kakamei wall that Wade Boggs flipped 15 million extra base hits off of that would have been a flyout anywhere else.

This guy. I mean he's talking about Kakamei Fields. He made it too. He knows how to fight over. Alonzo's barrel right is actually three percent down.

Can't accord at 29 stadiums but in Fenway Park it's a triple. Just saying. Back on the Rich Eisen show. Selling the back of a baseball. This guy over there.

Barrel rate really matters. He'd tell you something. I know Shoei Ohtani. I know when Shoei Ohtani's done something good is when Rich Eisen show coordinating producer of all things digital Shawn Mitchell Texas. He's the biggest diehard Southern California sports fan I know. Name me somebody else you've met in this town who cares as much about sports than this guy. He's Dodgers, Chargers, UCLA.

Diehard. So you know we're texting each other about our plane travels and problems last night. Hey I don't know if we're going to be there for the show and he's just like. And then all of a sudden he hops into the text chain when you're like I might not make it and I'm like my plane is delayed and Hoskins is like I might not make it and by the way he didn't. He just landed. We got a few minutes left in the show and Shawn Mitchell chimes in with uh hey if you got a window seat you might have a good look at Ohtani's home run. And I'm like yeah all right and I got the wi-fi on the plane and I'm like Susie's sitting in the window seat I'm like would you mind raising that uh.

Just looking for a little white. Raising the window just to see look for that white orb that might be the moon in New York City. Yeah. You know. He crushed.

Oh my gosh. That night of uh Dodgers Angels that I took Cooper before he went to camp um and Ohtani left the yard. One of you just hear it is the ball. And we talked about Rob Lowe this it sounds different his home run balls. This ball left the stadium.

473 feet. Is he hunger pace? Well here's the thing.

He should never pitch ever again. That's where I want to go here because this is what I thought of. TJ what do I like more than being right? Not much right?

Making money. I like oh no I just like being right. You like being right. As much as I like being right you know what upsets me? When I'm right.

When he's right. And I just knew it. That when Ohtani's home run left the yard on ESPN by the way a great time to do it.

Great call by Ravitch. Okay it was great. Left the frigging yard I guess what did it hit the roof of the pavilion? No it went like through it and then into the parking lot.

Okay. Who got that ball by the way? It hit the cart path.

Somebody was walking outside. Somebody by the way by the Shake Shack. There's a Shake Shack in right center field. Oh there is? Yeah. Just random.

Might be there. You're like you're about to order a double double and then you know a home run hit you in the noggin. Fries and cheese. Oh my gosh.

But I thought to myself here comes again. Here comes again he's better hitting when not pitching. All of the stats. But what makes him that much more special is when he's going to hit like this next year and he's going to pitch like Garrett Cole. He's not going to be as good at pitching.

Oh okay. Or he's not going to be as good at hitting. If he's pitching it's not going to be good. Why? Focus on one. Why? Why can't he just be? Bring it back to Mike Florio and export it.

Why import and export when you can just focus on one? But why can't he be getting better at hitting? Why can't he just be still he's still getting better. Why? Oh because he's not pitching every fifth day he can now leave the yard easier.

I won't buy it. And certainly if I've bought him as a Dodger front office executive for a 700 million dollar contract and I'm going to start paying him annual payments of 50 million a year when he's no longer playing for me. I'm going to get my money's worth when he still can do it and put him on the mound every fifth day until he just says I can't do it anymore. Yeah.

That simple. What if in a few months he says I don't want to pitch anymore? Is he practicing? I don't think he can. I don't think he can throw. He can throw. By the way what a great question to ask Dave Roberts.

When's Otani going to start throwing? So of course Shawn Mitchell's like hey you want me to put a board together of the home runs with the longest home runs of the year? Feels like he had already done that when he asked. He's really into it.

He's really into the subject matter and this made me feel better. Uh by the way feats of strength that's the number of feet. Oh that's fine. Well done. Smitch can do it.

You can turn a phrase. Uh there is uh Jorge Soler with an even longer home run in Coors Field last night but that's those two don't count at Thin Rock. Coors Field wanted to see ya. Those two don't count. By the way the fact that Otani hit a home run only three feet longer in in altitude than the one that he hit last night is insane.

By the way. And that one at Coors Field. The one that Judge hit in Yankee Stadium was huge and look who's look who also won 473. Oh he still plays? Mike Trout still plays baseball. So those are the longest home runs in Major League Baseball this year. It's amazing. So I just knew you'd say I I just will not buy it.

If I am a Dodger front office executive that guy is pitching. Are you worried about not getting an ROI on your money? Like what do you mean? Yes. The stadium is full. Everything that has his name on it is not as full not as full as what it could be. They're going to add more seats?

No it's not it's not completely capacity. It would be if he pitches or or you're giving away a bobble head. What's the total capacity of the night that he he he he hit one against the Angels? Oh oh sorry it's only sold out last night because the Red Sox are in town.

Maybe maybe you can make it about yourself a little bit. I mean never pitch again. Absurd. 700 million dollar contract he's pitching. He's gonna hit 700 home runs. And maybe win 300 games too and be the greatest player ever. Oh he won't win 300 games. You know what I'm saying? Yeah I know. Winning a Cy Young and an MVP in the same year and not just because you win the MVP for pitching.

That guy can do it. And if I'm a Dodger front office executive I want to see it. Because I'm paying for it 20 years from now that's for sure.

You're paying for four 800 foot home runs. I'm paying for it. I want to see it.

And I knew he would say what he's saying right now. Of course. As I was in altitude last night looking for Otani's baseball through Susie's window.

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