Shane Mosley Jr. Challenges WBA Middleweight Champion Erislandy Lara to a Match

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844204 Rich. But right now, we got a guy in studio. I am very excited about our next guest. It is boxer. It is middleweight contender Shane Mosley Jr. How you doing, man? Oh man, thank you for having me on. This is great.

It's awesome. You fought 11 days ago. Yes, I did. You beat Danny Jacobs.

Yeah. There's not a scratch on you. Like, how do you maintain?

Is it a skincare routine? Is it anti-inflammatories or did he simply not land a punch and he's, you know, bloodied somewhere still? Well, I did my job. I did my job well. I neutralized him and I feel like I won the fight with my boxing ability.

So I think that that is number one on why I look as good as I do. And I did my job and box him, hit and not get hit, you know. How long does it take you after a fight? Obviously, there's some fights.

You're 22 and four, I believe is your record. But most of the time you're waiting. How long does it take just your body, your hands, everything to feel normal again? A couple of weeks, you know, I mean, especially if it's a hard fight, you know, a couple of weeks to kind of get it all feeling better and fill in back to normal, as you say. But, you know, it's all part of a part of it. You know, it's like all part of like getting, being a boxer.

You know, you take the punishment, you kind of got to get used to things hurting all the time. So after that fight, you get the win. You call out Erislandy Lara. You say, I want you.

Yes, I do. What would it mean to you to get a shot at the WBA middleweight belt? It would mean the world. For one, the WBA belt is the first like official like world title, right? And to be a guy like Erislandy Lara, who's also fought everybody, just like Daniel Jacobs, to add that onto my list of legends and, you know, become the true legend killer.

It would be great, you know, and I could be a legend as well. All right. So we got a wide audience here on the Rich Eisen show. Emmy, sports Emmy nominated, though Brockman didn't inform me. We haven't had a win yet.

We haven't had a win yet. It's fine. This can help.

All right. So you got a big audience. Why don't you look in the camera and tell Erislandy Lara that you want to give me the best, the best promo you can to set up this fight. Erislandy Lara, fight me, Shane Mosley Jr. And I'll put you back into retirement. There it is. Now we're talking back into retirement.

I dig it, man. So you grew up in this, your dad, Sugar Shane Mosley, you know, you watch him for a living hit and get hit. What, what made you want to follow in his footsteps? My own experience, you know, like obviously being around boxing, being around going to fights all the time, I was around it and, and that would, you know, make most people think, Oh, you want to do it because you saw this, you saw the lights and and glamour. But truthfully, I went randomly to the boxing gym with one of my buddies and he's like, Hey man, you want to go spar?

And so I go up and I do it. And we sparred four rounds, got a bloody nose and fell in love. I got literally like getting a bloody nose and, and, and getting hit and stuff like that made me feel like I want to go and, and, and, and change that. I don't want to get a bloody nose again, or I want to, you know, be better next time.

And, you know, adversely shows an end to himself. And I think that that was always in there. Just getting my own experience woke me up to wanting to do it for myself. There's so many people who they get a bloody nose their first time sparring and that's it. They're like, I don't, I don't want to have, I don't want to get punched in the nose ever again. Like, well, what about that moment made you think you actually wanted to feel that experience again, but also to get better? Because you know, like, I think that that's all the desire of most people. They want to become better at something. And when you get something like something so humbling, like a bloody nose, you know, I can change this, this, this won't happen again.

Right. And, and, and that was, you know, the thrill for me. And, and I've turned that into a 10 year career and I'm only getting better, right? Like, I mean, people used to tell me all the time that I would never be as good as my dad and who knows they might be right, but I'm going to make my, make my shot at it. Cause I'm getting better. Just like that bloody nose, I'm getting better and I've become better, you know, this whole time. And, and I just beat Danny Jacobs, two time middleweight champion. So it looks like I'm getting better.

So you are, you're a free agent right now, right? So what, what, what's next here? Um, well, so with that being said, we, we obviously, uh, that means our contract is up with, uh, golden boy, but, uh, golden boy does have the option to want to, uh, resign me if possible. So we're obviously going to hear them out, but that, that also opens the door for other, uh, promoters to reach out and, and once they work with me as well. So that could be a great opportunity for, uh, everybody involved.

We keep beating guys like Danny Jacobs. I would think you're, I would think you're going to have some opportunities. I think so too.

Yeah. What, what brings you to LA this week? So, um, I, I have a few meetings with some sponsorship, uh, one being, uh, Fabletics, and then we're going out to the, um, Jake Paul, uh, Mike Perry fight. So that's going to be great.

Uh, I'm going to, uh, Tampa, Florida. What do you think of the, the entire Jake Paul experience? Somebody coming from outside the traditional boxing world and now fighting on some massive stages. Yeah. Yeah. I, I love it. Um, I never look at a guy that's getting attention and go, Oh, I'm jealous. I go for one, how, how is he doing that?

How can I do that? And also, if he's uplifting my sport, he's obviously working very, very hard. I mean, he's knocked out Tyron Woodley. I mean, Ben Askren, I mean, he beat Nate Diaz.

I mean, all these guys. So he's putting in the work and he's showing my sport a lot of love because he's given all those fights to boxing where they could be MMA or whatever the case says. So I love that he's given shine to my sport.

And so that only puts more money into my sport, which essentially puts more money to me. I know you're not a heavyweight, but how old would Mike Tyson have to be for you to get in the ring with them? Ooh, man. Uh, he'd have to be pretty old. They have weight classes for a reason. Jake Paul's a little bit bigger than me. You know, he, he can hold that weight a little bit better. I'm a, I'm a middleweight. I'm not, I'm not a really, really big guy like Mike Tyson. So he'd have to be pretty old for that.

I mean, could you see yourself getting in the ring when you're that age? If you're, you're in your forties, fifties, are you still trying to do this? To be honest, I feel like if I haven't gotten all I needed to get out of this game before I'm 40, it wasn't meant for me.

It wasn't meant for me. So you got a lot of exciting stuff for it now. You're going to be a dad soon, right? You have a baby on the way.

I am. I have my third son on the way. So I have, uh, this, this will be number four. Uh, and, uh, we've already decided that his name was going to be Creed. So Creed Mosley.

Ooh. After, after Apollo Creed, is that the inspiration? I mean, definitely, uh, one of the things to add onto it. Uh, but yeah, so we just loved the name. We just thought it was very fitting for, uh, for our fourth kid to be Creed. So, and it fit like, wait, Oh, he's going to be a boxer.

You know, it's like, people are like, Oh yeah, it's cause of the Apollo Creed. So you got boys that you're raising, is this going to become the generational thing? Are you going to let them go get punched in the nose first and figure it out on their own? Well, you know, so, um, my mom did something really, really great with me, which was, um, she told me that if you wanted to make a career out of this, you're going to have to go and do it yourself. If you want to go and be a boxer, you got to find a way to the boxing gym. You got to find a way to get, you know, um, uh, all of the, all of your, your gear and all of those things, because I believe she wanted to make it difficult for me because she knew that when I became a pro that it was going to be hard for me.

And now I have to, uh, go through adversity and, and difficulties of people saying, you know, that you never be good enough. So I think she wanted to give me a kind of a leg up when it came to that. So I do the same for my boys. If you want to do it, you got to figure it out.

Y'all don't want you to do this. You, you, you, you can't do this, you know, things like that, because I want them to resist that and go through that adversity of if they can go through me and defy me, they can defy everybody else. So, so mom gave you advice on the career front. Again, your dad Sugar Shane Mosley, what was the best advice he ever gave you? That you deserve to be where you, where you want to be, which is a world champion. You deserve to be there. So always believe that you deserve to be there and you always meant to be there. So, um, you know, of course we all have doubts that, Oh, am I supposed to be here? Or am I good enough?

Or always believe that you deserve to be there. So are you going to wait for Laura now at this point or like what's, what's the timeline you're looking for for your next fight? Um, I mean, I would love to fight in the next three to six months. Uh, if Laura comes about 100%, let's get it. But if it doesn't, then I want to become a world champion.

There's three other championship belts that I could get. And I'm willing to take, take on anybody to get there. How much, how much downtime do you give yourself before you go back to the full, you can't go, go, go at a hundred percent all the time to do this thing. So how long do you give yourself before you wrap up?

Um, roughly about, uh, two weeks to a month, depending on, um, you know, the, how hard the fight was, but, um, I want to get back already. Like I've been itching already. Like my wife is like, Hey, just take your time getting back to, to, uh, the, the boxing gym. But I'm like, I want to go out. I'm ready to go back.

I want to get better. What is your wife fake? What's, what's that experience like for her every time you get in the ring? She, um, she definitely is as nervous. She's always, um, yeah, nervous. Uh, she's been pregnant for the, uh, for the last, uh, three fights. So she can't have any alcohol, but usually, usually, usually she's like, I need a shot, but for the last two pregnancies, I mean, yeah, the two pregnancies, she couldn't, she couldn't drink.

So obviously I feel like if my wife were in the stands and I was going to the boxing ring, like she would go into labor at that moment. Like there's no, there'd be no coming back from it. Right. Right. Right. 100%. I don't know.

I don't know how she does it. Cause I remember when I was a kid and I would watch my dad fight and that was nerve wracking. Like I just thought it was like the worst thing. I remember when I first saw him get knocked down, it was like, it was like seeing Superman die. Like it was like, Oh, what's going on?

He's not, this is not supposed to happen. So I told my son, um, that he had to be, uh, 10 years old before he can go to my first fight. And so like, uh, a year ago he went to his first fight ever and he was like, super excited.

But when I was, I won the fight, I knocked the guy out and he was crying. He was like, you know, like somebody's swinging it down. Yeah.

100%. So like, it's like, um, yeah, it's, it's a nerve wracking experience. I don't know how you'd watch a family member do it. Like everybody else is like, Hey, I watch, you know, other guys that I know, you know, lightly or, you know, regular fights, you know, it's cool. But like watching family members, it's hard. So I, as we covered, uh, at some length off the top of the show, I I've never been in a fight in my life.

I'm 43 years old. Just never, you know, never a schoolyard. You want to get into a fight? Never. I absolutely don't.

Uh, we'll let Laura, Laura, he's got you. Not, not me. Uh, but what I was curious, I thought this would be interesting is I figured just the law of averages, right?

How many 43 year old men have never really been in any type of a fight? So I figure at some point I'm going to be in some situation where I am going to have to give a punch and or take a punch. So can we do this out here? Do we have a way to, can we get a microphone up here?

I just thought if we can just stand and if you can give me like a couple tips on what I should do in that situation from the stance to, to whatever I got to do, can we stand up and do this? Yes. All right. So we got, this is fantastic. Hold the mic TJ. You want to come and hold the mic for me here? This might help here. So, okay.

This is great. So I don't even know how to stand and do this here. Let's, let's use this camera for the, there we go. Okay. All right. So, um, you'd want to, so you, you want to your right hand first? I'm ready.

I'm ready. Okay. But so like boxes typically will put their left hand first. So you can get the rotation on your, your, uh, your power hand, right?

Cause you want to rotate just like you would throw like a baseball for instance. Sure. Right. And that's kind of how you'd want to do it. Like you're throwing a baseball.

Have you ever thrown a baseball pitcher? So you're going to knock somebody out. All right. So probably not, but I'll take that. All right. So what you would want to do is, um, hands up just a little bit higher.

Right. And then you'd probably want to like blind me or, or put your hand in my face to where it kind of blocks my eyes like this here. If you were to do that, right. I'd want to get my hands up because you got, if I go like this year, what are you doing? Got it. So you go on the defensive and then I come around and then you come around that guard right here.

So you put that hand right there in my face and come around. Boom. Right there.

All right. Now you're punching me. I'm in the bar. You've had a few too many shots. You're coming up to me.

I mean, I'm dead. If you punch me, I'm saying this is just like some random guy who's maybe closer to my size. All right. I got to take a punch.

What do I got to do? Okay. So, um, I would say, uh, don't, don't take a punch.

I would definitely keep those hands up and out and out. Yeah. So like I'm throwing a punch at you like, right. Right. Or like just to slow it, slow it down.

Yeah. Get it in the line of fire. So somehow I didn't think the advice was going to be, just go like this. Don't hit me. No, no, no. Okay. But I mean, don't hit me.

Don't hit me. All right. So we got this.

Yes. All right. So you're, you're coming at me. All right.

Let's do it. So the whole sequence, you come at me. I go like this. Yes. Then I go here.

Yes. So you, you get that inside track. So you go here. Boom.

Lock it inside track and boom. And then now let's go. And then boom. Boom. Right there. So here it is.

All right. There we go. Yep.

Inside shot. Boom. Boom. There we go.

And we've done it. There it is. So watch out everybody.

Yeah. At some point, Shane Mosley Jr's advice. Don't don't mess with me. I'm 155 pounds of twisted steel. All right. I am 100% dynamite here.

You don't want to mess with me. Just got a box lesson from one of the best Shane. Thanks a ton for being here, man. Appreciate it. Good luck. Thank you, Laura. Well, look out, man. I'm coming for you. There it is. All right. Back with more of the rich eyes and show some more non-negotiables for the NFC North coming up a little later on in the show. Take some NFL questions as well.

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Call click Grainger.com or just stop by. Shane Mosley jr middleweight contender just stopped in in the last segment showed me she gave me some tips. If I ever have to, you know, the best advice you gave me that whole thing. I said, how do I take a punch was just don't get punched.

Don't do it, which is probably smart. We then did it. We did the classic face off photo with TJ taking it over here.

Great idea. TJ very intense, very hard to not burst out laughing. I guess if you're an actual boxer, it's probably, you know, it's more of like an intimidation thing. Uh, but he said, I guess I can say this, right? Like don't, don't look them in the eyes. Look, look right here, which I had never thought about. Cause when you're staring another man in the eyes from a very close range there, it's hard. It's hard to not be like, well, this is, this is silly.

Every boxing match in history has included that exact pose. Very soon. Uh, eight four four two oh four. Rich is the phone lines.

You haven't done any, uh, any one loss game today. How about, uh, let's go to Rob in Charlotte would like to do, uh, like to do a little win loss game. Rob it's Tom. What's up? Tom, you're my favorite guest. Thanks for being there.

I appreciate that, man. So who do, who do you want to do? It says Steelers or Panthers. Who do you prefer here? Well, I mean, I I've been a Steelers fan longer, but I've been in Charlotte for 20 years.

Your call. We've had one of each. What do you guys more interested in Panthers or Steelers here? I would like to, we might as well get the Panthers cause we'll probably get more fans.

I would think, well, yeah, let's do, well, what is that? What are you saying about Panthers fans? I'm just saying that we got one right here. Who's at least 50% Packers. They're Panthers fans.

All right. Panthers win loss. Let's start out week one at new Orleans week one, they're going to shock the world and lose by less than seven two home against the chargers. They're going to lose week three at Vegas. They're going to go on three week four home against the Bengals shocked the world beat the bank.

All right. There's a, there's a w on the board. First one for Dave canal is week five at Chicago.

Last two, number one picks. What do we got there? That's a loss. That's a loss.

All right. Week six home against the Falcons. They beat the Falcons at home. Always playing tough at Washington.

You know what? They're on a winning streak two in a row at Denver. That's a loss home against the saints. They lose to the saints twice. Another shock, the rules lose by seven against the giants in Munich, three and six.

Oh, they own Germany. They're winning that one. All right.

So four and six at the buy. Let's go to home against Kansas city, November 24th. Smoke home against the bucks. They beat the bucks.

All right. At Philadelphia. They lose again home against the Cowboys lose again home against the Cardinals. They beat the Cardinals down the field. Well, they got two more games. So they were going home after week 16 there at Tampa, at Tampa, at Tampa, they lose and at Atlanta, at Atlanta, they sweep the Falcons. So sweep over the Falcons, which brings them to a grand total of seven wins. So that's seven and 10 from Robin Charlotte on the, uh, on the Panther season.

Rob, thanks a lot for, for giving us a call. I think that that's a, I think it's realistic to temper the expectations on the Panthers. I also, when, you know, I was, I was looking through and apparently you guys did this earlier this week, who's going to be this year's Texans, given that Houston's reporting first full squad today, 50 days until the, uh, the entire NFL regular season opener Texans, the first team that's all in because they are against the bears in the hall of fame game. I think the band Panthers at least had to be in the top five of the potential worst of first teams, just because I don't know that that division has anybody that's going to run away with it. The bucks have won last couple of years. The saints have been, you know, that they're doing something different on offense now with Clint Kubiak coming there, but they're kind of an unknown and the Falcons have spent the entire off season saying, Hey, we got the quarterback or quarterbacks.

That was the only hole in the roster. We're going to be good for a long time. We're not going to be drafted up high. I just think the entire division is fascinating. A lot of things would have to go right for the Carolina Panthers, but a breath of fresh energy. I said it yesterday, Bryce young, the way that he is wired, the way that he approaches the game, everything, everyone told me coming out in the draft about processing, they got him some interior help expensive guards, which for a shorter quarterback, I would think having some better protection up the middle and being able to run the football more effectively is going to help them out seven and 10. I think that that's, that would be a big step forward from two and 15 in the first year for, for Dave canal. This is that good enough for Panthers fans. Can't get a whole lot worse than last year.

Brockman since what we're talking about a Panthers team that's fired their head coach during the season, two years in a row. I know you wanted to unleash on us. Uh, your, do we call this the unpower rankings or less rankings, fan favorite DJ.

Everybody loves them. Play my music. Do I have music? All right, my rankings. All right, here we go.

It's fitting that the powerless rankings don't have music. I love it. Here we go, Tom. Ready? I'm going to, this is my top 10 coaches whose seat is on simmer entering 20, 24.

No, I got 10. It's not quite hot, but we're simmering because it's, it's mid July and it could potentially get hot as a season goes on. I want you to reaction. So you just filled the water in the pot.

This is, and you just turned on the bar, turned on the burner on high. It could potentially get there. Things go south. Number 10, Sean Payton. Now it's going to surprise a lot of people, but we are about one, maybe two seasons away from everyone looking at Sean Payton and going, maybe it was Drew Brees. Maybe it was all Drew Brees. Why this guy's so good, right? If he can't turn around Bo Nix or get the quarterback figured out there, I don't care how many Walmart dollars he's getting.

That's nothing to these people. He will be gone in his seat. It's going to be hot. I think that things would have to become a dumpster fire on so many levels, given the amount of money that they're paying Sean Payton. And given the reality that if you look at their off season moves here, they're in a transition phase. Now Sean's going to want to win every year. He's going to believe he can win every year.

He's one of the smarter guys when it comes to offense, won a ton of games in, in new Orleans in a place that the saints had no real history of winning. But when you're talking about having, uh, Jared Stidham competing with Zach Wilson and a rookie Bo Nix on a team that, you know, who's the, who's their best perimeter threat, probably Courtland Sutton. I know they've, they've drafted some young guys.

Yeah. They're remaking the running back room. I don't want to guys defensively. They've had some attrition Broncos. I just think, I just think that they know in that division, especially their work's cut out for him. I think the real metric on Sean Payton is probably 20, 25 though.

Again, Sean's not looking past it. He wanted to win last year. He w he was pushing all the way to the end, which is part of why you bench Russell Wilson when he did to try to spark things and not have a losing season.

Number nine, Mike McDaniel, Mike McDaniel has won a lot of regular season games. Things came apart down the stretch last season with most are being hurt. Waddle being hurt.

Tyreek was banged up. He's gotten by far the most audit to him. I think it's fair to say that when a coach go is going into his third year, you'd like him to win a playoff game.

Yeah, that's, that's the thing they haven't done. He's gone to the playoffs both years. He started what's his name, the, the rookie quarterback out of Northwestern, I think in the playoff game, right. His first year in 2022, I you're looking at me with a totally blank look. I can't remember the guy's name off the top of my head.

You can find it. I want to say Clayton Thorson, but that's a different Northwestern quarterback. And then 2023, they have the division. They start getting banged up. They lose down the stretch, end up having to go on the road instead of hosting a playoff game.

But they have it right there. I think that if they make the playoffs again, if they can win a playoff game, they're going in the right trajectory. If you don't again, any coach going into year three, think about this. Most head coaching contracts, not all, but most head coaching contracts are four or five years. Some guys we've seen get six year deals. Matt rule got a seven year deal. Gruden got a 10 year deal every now and then there's a three year deal, but most of them are four or five Skyler Thompson, Skyler Thompson out of Northwestern.

I didn't, I didn't go that far. I was just looking to get his name by, by that year, by the time you get into year three, you're either going to extend the head coach or you're going to fire. And so any head, any head coach going into year three, you're hoping that they're going to continue to take that step forward.

I think that that's, I think that's fair. And I think Mike would, Mike would agree with that. Number eight, Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bill's kind of shocked. He stayed head coach anyway, but Bill's championship window is almost closed.

You got to go like Josh Allen and they got literally nothing to show for it. You know, I talked to Sean about this at the, the league meeting back in March because last year had all the feelings of a crisis building. It was, he fired his offensive coordinator after a Monday night game that they lost on a missed field goal or a maid. No, it was a penalty on a field goal. And then there was a second try, right? It was like a weird sequence that did not have to do really with the offense, but he needed to do something. And that ended up being, being what it was. And then you had a story come out that was extremely harsh on Sean as a coach, as a person. And those are the, those are the moments where, you know, when I wrote my expose on Urban Meyer a couple of years ago, and I was very confident in the information, he denied everything, but they fired him like three days later.

Okay. Usually if you get like the, the hammer story and there's all this stuff going on, it looks chaotic. It's going to go out directly instead of the bills ripped off a bunch of wins and Joe Brady did a really good job. Ken Dorsey is a good football coach, but something needed to change. They needed to shake it up.

Joe Brady did a good job. Josh Allen started playing better. I think that anytime that you're a coach who is in one place for as long as Sean McDermott is and has this consistent of success, like Sean McDermott has, there's a different level of expectation every year where every year feels like for the bills, it's super bowl or bus, but this is a team that lost its top two receivers from a year ago, uh, in terms of Gabe Davis and Stefan Diggs, they cut a bunch of their guys or lost them on defense. You still got Von Miller who you're hoping is going to play a lot better than he did last year.

There's just, there's a lot of unknowns there, but they're going to have that feeding frenzy surrounding them. They got a game in Buffalo against Arizona in week one. If a Cardinals team, and I think we all kind of like from a, Hey, they were competitive last year. They beat the Eagles and seniors late in the season. They go into Buffalo and win. You're going to hear all that stuff about the bills. I think that they're, yeah, the expectations are a little bit higher, but Sean McDermott, I mean, his, his resume hasn't won the super bowl, but he's won a lot of football games.

If he were to, if he were to become available, he would be a hot head coach and candidate. It's cool that there's a banner for one, a lot of football games. Number seven, there's different levels of success. And if you're saying that 97% of the league is failing every year at Brockman, that's, that's harsh, but you'd like to, yeah, you'd like to think you got Josh Allen.

You're going to bring a little, you're going to get a Lombardi. Brian Dabel, number seven Giants head coach. I thought you could have made a case that he could have got got last year.

I think his seat is definitely more than simmering entering 2024. Brian Dabel was the classic victim of don't overachieve in your first season. Correct. First year, they won 10 or 11 games and were expectation went into the playoffs. They beat the Vikings in Minnesota in a playoff game before they lost the following week. Last year was probably the regression to the mean. I mean, it's a lot like when, you know, Joe Shane and Dabel were both table might not have been there yet, but when they were in Buffalo and the bills member in 2017, they had that wild run with tie rod at quarterback and they made the playoffs for the first time in 20 plus years, whatever it was. And then year two, they had to take all this cap stuff on and it was a mess and they lost a lot of games, but it was okay.

That was probably more realistic of where they are. And then they started building and you've seen the bills be a perennial contender, perennial playoff team ever since then the giants have to show that they're in that same category. And again, we're getting a fantastic behind the scenes look at the giants and the front office and why they made the moves they did in the off season. There's things that are uncontrollable as Joe Shane said in free agency. There's also things that are uncontrollable in terms of you have no bearing outside of two games a year on how Saquon plays with the Eagles. That's going to be used by certain people as a metric of Saquon plays. Well, you're an idiot. Saquon plays bad or gets hurt.

You're a genius. It has nothing to do with it. They made, they played the numbers. They decided it was getting out of control with the money. They moved on from them. You're also with a situation with Daniel Jones where this regime has not drafted their quarterback.

They were pressed into committing to Daniel Jones on a multi-year contract last year because Saquon turned down a deal and they can only tag one of them. You're hoping Daniel Jones gets back to playing, gets healthy and is back to playing the way that he did in 2022 where he was a threat both with his arm and his legs. You got better weapons around him than you've ever had. You're hoping you play better. No question.

You're in New York. Again, another team that if you lose week one, it's going to be, you know, people are going to be circling with the ambulances around you here and saying how long until we got to take you away. Dable's a good coach. He's been to the playoffs. Let's see.

That one's TBD. Number six, let's stay in the NFC East. Nick Sirianni, Eagles head coach. What's going on? Did we figure out why they went 10-1 and then lost every game the rest of the year, it felt like? I mean, there were a lot of things going on. I do think there's something to be said for.

And there's a long history of this. You can follow it where the team that loses the Super Bowl struggles to get back there. The Eagles are trying to defy that, but you're losing that extra month after the season. So you've got a shorter off season.

You come back. They look to me like a team that completely ran out of gas. They looked like they just didn't have it down the stretch from the middle of the 2021 season when Sirianni at the time turned over play calling to Shane Steichen through, yeah, that 10-1 start last year until the Dom game against the 49ers. I only saw the second half of that. I tuned in a minute. So I'm in an airport restaurant.

Let's call it that. On my way out of whatever game I was at that day. So inevitably if I'm covering like a 1 p.m. Eastern kickoff, I miss the first half and change. So the incident happens. I think early third quarter, I sit down at the bar to order my food and I look up and I'm like, what is happening?

Cause all I'm seeing are like replays of like Dom, the security be picked on, being hauled out of the stadium. And there's like, what, what did I miss? And meanwhile, the 49ers are like absolutely boat racing them on the field.

And that was that, that was that turning point moment. You know, Sirianni made hard decisions along with Howie and the rest of the brain trust there after the season, they talked through everything. He changed out his offensive defensive coordinator for the second straight offense off season, which you don't normally see here. I think it will be really interesting to see how they come out of the gate, because you can't tell me if you line up all 32 teams, there's a lot of teams.

This were like the NBA jam of the NFL. And you just took like your five skill guys. I don't know if there's a lot of teams that you would put ahead of what the Eagles have with Hertz, Saquon, Devante Smith, AJ Brown, and pick your fifth Dallas Goddard. Probably there's not a lot of teams you look and you're like, Hmm, that that's a pretty tough team here, but another market where the, the temperature to your point is going to rise quickly, fair or not on a coach that let's remember three seasons, three playoffs, a Superbowl appearance.

Nick Sirianni has done a lot of positive things through the course of his career there. Let's see what it looks like in 2024. All right. Top five. We're going to talk a lot about this guy.

We're still simmering or is this like, I think the temperature is a little hotter here. Matt Eber flus, a lot of pressure on the bears heading into this year. Number one pick.

We're going to see a lot of them on hard knocks. I know we love the flus. We love his new look. He's got a beard is great succeed this year. I told him that when I saw him at the league meeting, he says wife and his daughters really like it. Uh, I wouldn't, I wouldn't mess with Kelly on that either. She wants the beard.

I say, I say you stick with the beard. I, you know, they substantially raised expectations last year, by the way, they finished from the trade deadline on, obviously, you know, the defense was a lot better with flus calling it, but after they made the Montez sweat trade, they played so well down the stretch and they were beating teams in the division. They were taking teams to the wire that certainly colored the postseason conversation because they went through a few days of meetings before making decisions about how to proceed.

Right. And then I think that it's fair to say that there were scenarios where maybe even flus is not the coach, but what they came to the agreement on was, and he refuses in those conversations. We need to, we're going to go after Caleb Williams. We're going to move on from Justin Fields. We need to get a coach that we think is a really good fit for Caleb Williams. And so they moved on from Luke gets you landed on his feet with the Raiders. And I think Luke gets, he's a really good head coach too.

We are off as a coordinator as well. He's interviewed for head coaching jobs, but they bring in a guy in Shane Waldron. Who's trained under Belichick, McVeigh, Pete Carroll. He's run different types of offenses. He's been exposed to a lot of stuff. He's worked with veteran quarterbacks. He's worked with young quarterbacks. They think that this is a really good fit. There's no doubt.

I think the way anytime you have the number one pick look at Frank right class here at this time last year, we were talking about Frank Reich. He's got the super staff. He's got Bryce young.

The future is bright. Let's say 11 games. Yep.

They went one in 10. So no question. There's pressure on Matt Eber flus in a really tough division that we'll talk about in a little bit here in the NFC North.

I don't know that I would look at as a hot seat. I think that, especially with the bears, they don't make in-season changes anyway. I think this is going to be, let's see over the totality of the season. What does the progress look like for Chicago? What does the progress look like for Caleb Williams? You've committed to Caleb Williams.

This is your future. Everything is evaluated through that lens. Number four, Antonio Pierce. Well, Antonio Pierce is an interesting, interesting month or so here with, you know, some of the non-football related things that he's had to get a lot of text messages about, I'm sure. Listen, the Raiders were in a spot after the season where there were certain people who were pushing for, let's go hire Jim Harbaugh.

Yep. I thought there were scenarios where they might go after, you know, name your hot young offensive coach. I thought there were scenarios where maybe John Gruden comes back.

That could have gone a lot of different directions because the Raiders played so well with Antonio Pierce as their interim coach and to go in on Christmas and whip the Chiefs up and down the field, you were left in a position where there was no way you could go another direction unless you got some type of a big fish. We're bringing in Bill Belichick. We're bringing in Pete Carroll. We're bringing in Jim Harbaugh. We're bringing back John Gruden.

There was no other way because you would have lost locker room. Max Crosby's out there saying, I don't want to be a Raider. He told, I don't want to be a Raider if Antonio Pierce isn't the head coach, but I've always felt there is a difference between what you have with an interim coach versus being the head coach.

Cause there is a placebo effect. Jeff Saturday. Remember I was here. Jeff Saturday took over and they played the Raiders that week and they won. And then they lost every other game for the rest of the season. They went 0-10 after that, but they got that initial like, Hey, things are different.

And Antonio Pierce as a super passionate dude who knows the game, who knows the people in the game, knows his locker room, everything he did. It was, Hey, remember when Josh was going to have us fly cross country and we're going to sleep in Florida for a week. So we got two games. Yeah. We're just not doing that now. We're going to come back. You're going to sleep in your bed for the week.

He pushed every button. It is different being the head coach. It is different being in that type of a position. You can't just play the, Hey, things are different card. No, now this is your team.

They're taking on your personality. Can you go 17 games of, Hey, we're going to be tougher than everybody. We're going to kick everybody's ass. We're not going to let them. We're going to show no mercy to Patrick Holmes.

It's to be determined. There's no track record on Antonio Pierce, other than what he did as the interim coach. I mean, he was in recruiting five years ago for Arizona state. He was in car dealerships. He was a player and a really good one. And I can't remember if he actually was a captain, but he was one of the leaders on those, the giant Superbowl team. It you're now taking on a totally different type of a leadership role. He absolutely showed he is up to the job, but going through an off season, going through the draft, setting what you want your personnel to look like.

This is all new for Antonio Pierce. We'll find out when we get to September and a big part of it. The biggest question for the Raiders is of all the quarterback competitions. I legit have no idea what's going to take place with the Raiders. If anything, I'd almost lead toward Aidan O'Connell just because you've heard players step up afraid and O'Connell because you've heard Antonio Pierce say he deserves to be the first guy. Let's get Gardner Minshew 15 million. So let's see how this thing shakes. Let's go to the NFC South. Number three, Dennis Allen of the New Orleans Saints. I mean, I think that one's fair just because everybody there, Mickey Loomis talked about it after last season that, you know, we, we got to look at things.

We might have to do some things differently here. They've been a team that throughout the Sean Payton tenure, they were always leveraging future assets to win. Now it was keeping the older expensive players. It was giving up future draft picks to build for now. It was maxing out the salary cap on a year in, year out basis. And I know that they always had a plan. That plan did not involve the global pandemic in 2020 that caused the cap to drop by like $30 million for one year. But they put themselves in a position where they've had to make some more difficult decisions.

Cause every dollar you spend hits the salary cap. Eventually now you've got a Saints team that I think that they made a smart decision to go get a guy like Clint Kubiak guys who know that offense Andrew Genocchos, the new quarterbacks coach, they're guys who have come up in that Shanahan, Kubiak, McVeigh, West coast style of offense, Derek Carr. There's a lot of data that suggests in new offenses, he has struggled in the past. Now you go from Pete Carmichael to who's running the Sean Payton derivative type of system to now going to this Shanahan McVeigh system.

I think that it makes a lot of sense. They do have weapons. They got dudes at the wide receiver position from Chris Alave on down, even after moving on from Michael Thomas, who had been essentially an anchor on the salary cap for several years. I think they've got a chance in a wide open division.

They went, I think nine and eight last year, right? And they were a tiebreaker away from being a playoff team. There was never really any serious conversation about moving on from Dennis Allen last year. If you go through another season and you're non-playoff again, to go back to the point I made earlier, there's not many times you're a non-playoff team for three years and you get a year four.

It's pretty rare. So no question, Dennis Allen, he'd agree with it too. They got to play, they got to win games, they got to go to the playoffs.

And in that division, I certainly don't think you can rule that out. All right, let's do two more after the break. Come back one and two of the coaches whose seat is most simmering.

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I'm here the rest of the week. Got a lot of NFL excitement to come. Scott Hansen, by the way, going to be in studio tomorrow. And so is Jamie Erdal of the newly semi-relocated Good Morning Football. So we're going to have a lot of good conversations.

Hansen is also doing the Gold Zone for the Olympics, so that'll be a good time. 50 days out from the NFL regular season opener. Brockman, you've been rolling through your Chris Brockman's hot seat rankings. We got through 10 through 3, which I love that you went that deep.

Why not just do all 32? Your top two. Go to number two.

What do you got? All right. Let me have your attention for a moment.

And now it's Brockman's Powerless Rankings. This is shame. Great.

It's a great job. All right. Let's run down. So this is my power. Can you wear that outfit tomorrow, by the way? I'd appreciate it.

Let's see what I can do for you. Powerless rankings. This is my coaches whose seat is on simmer. Entering 2024. Number 10 was Sean Payton. Nine, Mike McDaniel. Eight, Sean McDermott. Seven, Brian Dabel. Six, Nick Sirianni. Five, Matt Iberflus. Four, Antonio Pierce. Three, Dennis Allen. Bringing us the top two here to close the show.

Number two, he's a beautiful member of the Bald Brotherhood. Robert Sala is number two on my Powerless Rank. I mean, I keep going back to when you've... How many coaches get a fourth year if they have made the playoffs the first three? This is now year four for Robert Sala.

Last year was supposed to be that test year, right? We got Aaron Rogers. We've put all the pieces around him. You finally resolved the quarterback issue. Then four snaps in.

Rogers goes down with the torn Achilles. They actually won. The next six games were pretty good. I think they split the next three and the next six, three and three, and then it went downhill and they went back and forth on the quarterbacks and all that stuff. I mean, there's no question. Listen, you have a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback who's won four MVPs on your roster. You've got a really good young group.

You look at some of their drafts and what they put together on both sides of the football. No doubt. And I think Robert Sala will be the first one to say if, you know, actually, in fact, no, Aaron Rogers was the first one to say it when it was, if we don't do well here, we're all going to be out of jobs.

We're all gone. That certainly applies to Robert Sala. Aaron Rogers, we'll see exactly how that one plays out. And number one. Number one, I mean, come on. This list should have just been 10 through two. Number one is Mike McCarthy.

Come on, TJ. We know who's on the hot seat entering 2024. It's the Dallas Cowboys head coach. Mike McCarthy. I waited 25 minutes to hear this. Like, I knew this was going to be number one.

Think how off kilter it is. You're saying the number one, the number one hot seat candidate is a guy who has gone to the playoffs three straight years, won 12 games each of those three years. The first coach in Cowboys history to do that.

You should have got fired after last year. Everybody knows it. He knows it. One bad game in the playoffs.

Jerry Jones knows it. One bad guy had the best season of his career. The best season of his career with Mike McCarthy calling the playoffs. Bill Belichick was right there to be your head coach.

He was right there. The idea that Bill Belichick is going to come into that environment. Hey Bill, want to break the record wearing the star on the side of your helmet.

Let's go. But with Bill Belichick, listen, Bill Belichick is, is the greatest coach of all time. He's not just going to step in and go, all right, let's just pick up where Mike left off. Run the same offense and defense. I'm just here to like guide it. This isn't a managerial change. Bill Belichick would want to come in, be able to set up the program the way that he wants to with the people that he wants and do it his way.

This is not, again, I could be totally wrong. You're not. And Bill could be in Dallas in 2025. I don't foresee that happening.

We'll see. Number one hot seat. Thank you for being just a source of reason and a voice of number one coach on the hot seat. He knows it. Jerry knows it. Charlotte knows it. The Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders know it.

Everybody knows it. If they start 0-4, sure. I'll give you, he's on the hot seat. 12-5, three straight years. Tom, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for being here. You got it. Guess what?

I'm here. Do they hang a 12-5, three straight years banner at the team each year? The hottest team in football in the Green Bay Packers. And everything was a mess. As one player once told me, sometimes you just have one of those games where everything goes to bleep from the opening kickoff.

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