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Live from The Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Does the combine still matter? Combine still matters. It will always matter. It never won't matter. I take it that the coaches aren't showing up.

It's because the broadcast is so damn good. You know what? Go run another 40 in your suit.

Oh, I plan to. Today's guests, legendary Hollywood producer Brian Grazer, senior writer for the MMQB, Albert Breer, Falcons head coach Raheem Morris. And now, it's Rich Eisen. So, where were we yesterday? Welcome to this edition of The Rich Eisen Show. Last we were talking, all the lights went out. If you're watching this program, listening to it, watching it on the Roku channel, listening to it on this Rich Eisen Show, terrestrial radio affiliate Sirius XM, Odyssey and more, we were right in the middle of talking to Shea Serrano in the first segment of our third hour, and a manhole cover exploded right around the corner from here and knocked out the entire grid.

Seriously, like the pinch from Ocean's Eleven just knocked out all of El Segundo, but unfortunately, we didn't get our lights back on eight seconds later like Ocean's Eleven. Long story short, we're here today, and we're very excited to be here today, because we have an amazing guest list in our green room right now, getting ready to come out and talk about the documentary he, along with his partner Ron Howard, and a host of others, produced for Apple TV on the Patriots Dynasty. The Dynasty, the New England Patriots, is none other than Brian Grazer. And all he's done, you want to talk about resume, 43 Oscars, 193 Emmys nominated.

His TV and films have been nominated for 43 Oscars, 198 Emmys, and have grossed over 15 billion bucks. He is in our green room getting ready to talk about this outstanding documentary on the Patriots Dynasty on Apple TV for everybody to see right here on the Roku portal. Albert Brier is going to zoom in from the scouting combine where I'm headed right after this show is over. Indianapolis, so many newsmakers are talking today. The on-field drills start Thursday, the prospects start arriving right around now. The coaches who are there, the general managers who are there, many of them are meeting with the media, and news is a-poppin' from Indianapolis, so Albert is a perfectly timed guest and one of the coaches who did make it to Indianapolis.

Raheem Morris, the new head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, will join us in hour number three. Good to see you, Chris Brockman. Good to see you, sir. Hey, Rich. What's up, brother?

DJ Mikey D is in D's nuts. How are you? Mike Del Tufo, good to see you.

TJ Jefferson, the candle is lit. Good to see you over there, sir. Smells great, man. How you guys doing?

Fantastic. We are great. So one of the newsmakers talking today, the general manager of the Chicago Bears, Ryan Polls, speaking today, and it is all about his decision-making process and everybody else in the Chicago Bears organization making the decision for everybody else to pay attention to because from that decision, the entire NFL talent evaluation, scouting combine, NFL draft pond will have a ripple effect. One of the most amazing narratives in this all-time great narrative-generating machine of the National Football League, where you can't make stuff up, one of the crazy narratives that kind of nobody saw coming, certainly at this point last year, is that we would see a rerun, a repeat, to use the TV phrase, that last year the Bears were first overall on the clock thanks to a gift from the Houston Texans winning their last game, giving the Bears the first overall pick, and we thought that that was a blessing in disguise. And it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the Houston Texans, because the Texans wound up picking second, they get C.J. Stroud, who winds up being one of the most incredible rookie quarterbacks we've ever seen, and the Chicago Bears decide to trade the pick and not Justin Fields. The entire Super Bowl in Phoenix, where the Kansas City Chiefs won, was about what are the Bears going to do with the first overall pick? Would they use it, or will they trade Justin Fields? And at the end of the day, they traded the pick and kept Justin Fields. And now here we are again, where the Carolina Panthers, who traded up for that number one overall pick, and chose Bryce Young, were so terrible that the Bears have the number one overall pick again, and the Kansas City Chiefs have won the Super Bowl again.

It's a rerun, except the difference between last year and this year is the decision isn't as easy. It's not as cut and dried, because the quarterback group, let's put it in perspective, last year nobody saw C.J. Stroud's rookie season coming. Because if we had, the Chicago Bears would have swapped out Justin Fields for his successor. He would have succeeded Justin Fields at Ohio State and Chicago. But nobody could see that coming.

The evaluation wasn't there. So this year, though, this year, Caleb Williams is the clear-cut number one overall pick. Clear-cut. We were even seeing that last year, because he was, at this point last year, the Heisman Trophy winner. And the conversation was, if Caleb Williams was in last year's draft, would he be number one overall over Bryce Young, over C.J. Stroud, over Anthony Richardson? And I think, overall, the answer would have been yeah.

Yeah. Because he looked a hell of a lot like Patrick Mahomes, too, then. So, unbelievably, Ryan Polls is right back in the same position as last year. First overall pick, in his hand, people calling his cell phone, nonstop. I imagine, for that first overall pick. And last year, it was, I think, in the Bears' mind, cut and dried, that Justin Fields was their choice to stay, rather than use the pick on, at the time everybody thought, Bryce Young. This year, totally different story. Can't make it up.

Unbelievable. Ryan Polls, today, back at the Combine, asked again about what are you going to do with your first overall pick? Are you going to use it? Are you going to trade it and keep Justin Fields? Or are you going to use it and trade Justin Fields? And this time around, the answers are definitely different.

It sounds like the guy is 100% considering keeping it and using it. He was asked, flat out, about trading Justin Fields. And last year, his answer was, well, I don't know. This year, it sounds like, well, he was asked flat out about the process about Justin Fields being traded, and here was his answer. If you decide to draft a quarterback, what is your motivation to trade Justin before a free agency starts knowing that there might be a premium on that?

Yeah, again, it just depends on what opportunities pop up. I will say this. I think you guys know me well enough now. I do.

If we go down that road, I want to do right by Justin as well. No one wants to live in gray. I know that's uncomfortable.

I wouldn't want to be in that situation either. So we'll gather the information. We'll move as quickly as possible.

We're not going to be in a rush and see what presents itself and what's best for the organization. Did you talk to him? I know he made those comments last week about kind of living in limbo on this. Have you had conversations with him about where you guys are at right now in that process? Yeah, so I've always felt, and I told him this after the season when we had our exit meetings, that, you know, transparency and communication is key in these moments. And I told him we will do that. So I've been in contact with his team and kind of let him let them know what we're looking at, how things might play out, and that we'll continue to communicate as we move forward. Again, I understand how uncomfortable that is for him. But again, like I told him and he understands, I think he said it the other day, too, it's part of this business. It is a unique situation. So, but yeah, I'll continue that communication. It was a unique situation last year, too, but this one's really unique.

This one's involving a unicorn. And in terms of the whole comparison between Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes, if there's anybody who would know if there's any there there, it would be wouldn't you think the Kansas City Chiefs director of college scouting when Mahomes was chosen out of Texas Tech by the Chiefs for them to trade up to go get him, right? When you think so. That guy's name? Ryan Pulse, who then became the assistant director of player personnel and then the executive director of player personnel.

And that's when the Bears went and made him their general manager. So he was asked point blank about the comparisons between Caleb Williams and Patrick Mahomes. In terms of your quarterback evaluation when you were in Kansas City, Cliff Kingsbury said that, you know, Patrick Mahomes and Caleb Williams are eerily similar.

When you watch the tape, do you see that? There's pieces, there's pieces that are similar. Obviously, the one that stands out to everyone is just different arm angles. That's a unique trait. Not a lot of guys can do that.

I'll give Jeff King, who's on my team, credit. He painted a picture of, you know, there's two types of quarterbacks. There's artist and then there's surgeons. So within that group, you can kind of see who's the artist that's really creative. It doesn't draw within the lines where there's more of surgeons who are, you know, like your typical like the Brady's and Peyton's. So you kind of branch them out of those buckets and go from there. So that's where they're similar.

Is there a percentage you prefer with artists and surgeons? No. Winners. Yeah. By the way, I will say this. I will say this.

I think I'd want every surgeon in my life to be a winner. Yes. Perfect score. You know what I'm saying? It's not horseshoes and hand grenades when you got a scalpel coming in my direction. All right. Listen. He's trying to go. He's just trying to get some pieces like the entire body of work.

Then there's the last issue. Does Caleb even want to come there? Has polls even gotten a half of a sniff of an area code being broached by Williams's camp saying, we're going full Eli on you. We don't believe in the Bears and their your ability to develop a quarterback. Look, look at Justin Fields, for instance, thirty nine games. We're wondering if he's good enough or not.

You ready to pull the ripcord on him after thirty nine games for my kid? I don't know. Here's the answer to that question. Don't want to play in Chicago. No, no, no concerns about that at all.

I would love to know why if that was the case. Like I said, I think as a young quarterback and I've been around it, the infrastructure is important. And I think we've made really good progress in terms of having really good infrastructure for whoever were to come in. Or if Justin were to stay here as well. Bottom line is he'd be like, if he wasn't interested in Caleb Williams and interested in using the first overall pick, he'd be like, Chicago is an incredible place to play and any player that we choose first overall would want to play here. Now, listen, they're going for Caleb. I smell it. I feel it.

I sense it. He's coming to Chicago. And all I would say to Caleb Williams, you you would be dining out forever.

Just I mean, honestly, he's got to have access to Michael Jordan, don't you think? Talk to him. Talk to him. Talk to the punky QB.

Talk to anybody that's performed well in Chicago. The punky QB. Seriously. Yeah.

When I hit the field that got no playing. Yeah. The guy with the Roselle headband.

Ask him. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. I can feel it.

Honestly. They are any Bears fan. Just they are waiting. They are waiting to crown his ass to use the vernacular of the day and the sport. It sounds I don't maybe maybe we'll do this in a future show, but I'd love to hear the sound bite of Ryan polls as the same question at last year's combine.

It's a different tenor to the conversation. And it sounds like they're going to make a move fast. New league year starts March 13th. March 11th is when you can start chit chatting with other people's free agents. And before all that, like, say, this week is where you can come up with a framework of a deal. Fifteen days. And a spot where Justin Fields might go is Atlanta and their head coach joins us in hour three.

He can't talk about it because, you know, Justin Fields is on the the Bears, which is the whole point of this conversation. But I don't have it written down. I don't need to read. That'd be great if you're like, wait, just a minute.

I mean, I'm hearing about notes and how your people lean on notes these days. And now that's a negative. Listen, this kid's the real F and deal. And I think the Bears are going to make him a Chicago bear. And Justin Fields does deserve to get an answer.

Lickety split. Let's take a break. Brian Grazer is coming out of our green room.

Yeah, man. An absolute legend in this town. And he is an executive producer on a documentary that is outstanding on the New England Patriots dynasty. It's called The Dynasty. And he is going to talk about this fabulous documentary that you could see on this Roku portal on Apple TV.

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Standing. I'm learning a lot. My my son is 13 years old. He's a diehard Patriot fan. It's like a history lesson for him on all of this. How did you get involved in this?

Here's how it worked. I mean, I peripherally know something about football having produced the movie and television show Friday Night Lights. But NFL was something that I had a world that I hadn't fully entered other than just through my two boys. One boy loves the Dallas Cowboys and the other boy loves the Patriots.

So I would find my way into rooting for those teams when they were playing. At the same time, in 2012, I knew Bob Kraft, got to know Bob Kraft just as a as a friend. No business, no anything, just buddies. And he'd asked me for years, do I want to come to a game?

Very flattered, very generous of him. But I just never went. You know, because and then eventually I went to had to be like six or seven years later, I went to a Patriots game and was with Bob on the field and then in the tunnel. They had just won.

And I got into the you know, I was in the I was in the locker room. Belichick doesn't speak even when they win. Really quite stoic.

Bob is great owner, polite. And what happened is immediately Tom Brady went into a prayer and everyone got down on one knee. All of his brothers, all of his teammates got down on one knee and they prayed. And it was really moving to me that he got that they all were unified in this prayer. And I felt like that was a competitive advantage of this by this team.

They not only had the skill and talent, but they also had a unifying brotherhood where they would live and die for each other. And I just felt like what he was what Tom Brady was able to do was elevate their feelings and place our spirit in a quite in a transcendent way. And I just thought that really moved me. And I went again to another game.

It brought me to tears the second time. And I just thought he was a tremendous leader and I was moved by it. And then the book came out, Dynasty Craft brought it to my attention. I read it and all of those things in conjunction with one another, the events in the locker room, et cetera. I thought I said to Bob, I'd love to be able to produce this and turn it into a big 10 part docu series.

And he said, listen, if you really you know, if it's something you'll personally do and take responsibility for, I'll do it with you. And so were you working in conjunction with Bob Kraft to get Brady sat down and Belichick sat down? Yes.

And I mean, the the number of people when folks see this document for the first time, I'm sure they'll have the same sensation I had. It's just, whoa, OK, you got everybody to sit down and talk largely because of Bob Kraft. OK. I'd known Roger Goodell for quite a while and got him sitting down till even we even got Roger talking Spygate, which is something very unusual.

Yeah. But he was along. He was part of it and said, listen, all these events happened.

Everybody wanted to tell the truth. OK. And the truth, there were Spygate's deflate. There's a lot of different things.

It wasn't a straight up trajectory. And these games are like battle zones and they're also quite unpredictable. And so I think that's what makes this series so engaging. You definitely learn about the NFL. You definitely learn about how hard it is to win. You definitely feel the pain of losing and the shame of embarrassment when certain events came to pass as you brought up.

Yeah. And one of the most successful runs in the history of the NFL. And that's the part about it that you talk about the losing. I mean, what the the the the part where where they lose the Super Bowl when they entered it undefeated.

I know is it's gutting. And I was there. I was there. As a matter of fact, I paused the shot of Plexico Burroughs catching the touchdown because I was right in that end zone. I saw Deion Sanders there. He was hiding me. Damn it. If I'd known that that shot would be one day I'd be standing right there. But no, the reason why I bring it up is not to point that out, but to point out that there's that's the beauty of it in the sport is there.

The winning is franchise over a 20 year period and the losses are just as gutting for them as the as those wins were. Sure. Yes. You know, and it's so well done. It's really superbly told.

Well, thank you. A lot of it is due to the people also that we work together. The director, Matt Hemichek, and of course, Justin Wilkes, who's my partner and is a superb documentary filmmaker. So and always love to Ron Howard. Yeah, exactly. And I want to talk about that him as well in a second.

Brian Grazer here on the Rich Eyes. So technically you've worked with Tom Hanks and Tom Brady that you've you've got that, you know, Tom Cruise and Tom Cruise. That's right. Yeah. Let's not forget that Tom as well.

Tom's. Yeah, I know. You know, and so.

All right. Let's let's jump into your relationship with Ron. How where did you first meet Ron Howard? I met him on the Paramount lot weeks after I got in trouble. OK. Yeah, I had this discipline at the time where I would I would make a point to meet a new person.

It was principally making a difference in the media business, movies or television every single day. So I looked at my window. I was on the third floor of the director's building right above Robert Evans on the lot. And I saw Ron Howard.

I thought, wow, there's Richie Cunningham right there. I'm going to yell out the way I open my window. I yell out the window. I go, Ron, Ron Howard like that and start waving. Ron, very shy, ran from me, like ran around the soundstage. And I guess we went to his office. I called his office an hour later just to say, hey, I was the guy that reached the yelled out a run, blah, blah, blah.

I'm on the lot to aspire. I'm a television producer on the lot. I know what he of course, the Ron Howard is.

Can we meet? That was to his assistant that worked with him for thirty five years, Louisa Velas. So we meet that day in the afternoon and he just had this aura about him that made me feel like not only is he a good person, but he will win at things he tries to do.

He just had this glow and gravitational force where I thought he was going to win at things that he tried to do. And he was one to be a mainstream movie director, theatrical movie director, and ultimately became a master by winning a couple of Oscars. No doubt about that. And was Night Shift the first thing that you did together? Night Shift was our first movie, released in 1982. We've had Henry Winkler here talking about it. And by the way, one of the sweetest people on planet Earth.

Yes, for sure. And he was talking about how there was a process to cast Michael Keaton in that. What's your recollection?

Well, I know what my recollection was. We just read everybody and Michael Keaton came in unknown. He was relatively unknown and he acted out the scenes in a way that that we just said that has to be our guy, even though he's unknown. Many stars wanted to be in it, but we didn't run. And I just didn't think they were right that we didn't. We just didn't have we were not in alignment with the vision of these stars.

We said yes. But Michael Keaton was raw, very spontaneous, seemingly like just just from the cuff. And I remember he anyway, I remember all the scenes he acted out.

And then we put him with Henry Winkler and it was a match. Well, do you recall which one he he nailed where you're like, that's the other one. What he nailed was when he goes, he pretends he's shooting a basketball. He goes through the hoop.

It's all everybody's, you know, everybody's cheering. It's in, you know, that this whole thing of shooting a basket through a hoop and some final match, you know, that he invents. And then mayonnaise to tuna. He did this scene where he says, you got I've got an idea.

You got to feed mayonnaise to tuna. And that was, you know, he had all these brain ideas sold pretty much. Is there is there a screen test that you were involved with in your career that leaps out at you the most?

That was wow. The win for you, whether it was discovering somebody or it made the movie or anything like that. We had to do many, many screen tests on Tom Hanks because he also wasn't a star for this splash.

This is for Splash. And so I think the screen test that he had to do with Daryl Hannah. So Tom had to do many screen tests for himself. Daryl Hannah, who I just felt like had to be the mermaid, had to do a film screen test, a video screen test, a screen test with Tom.

The studio over and over again said, and this was a prior to, of course, Bob Iger getting there was the son in law of Walt Disney, Ron Miller. He said, there's no evidence that she can act at all. I go, you don't understand. She doesn't have to ask. She just has to be fragile.

She has to be compelling. Yes. Which she was because she had these eyes. Oh, I remember. Yeah. Yeah. I remember Splash. I remember her. So again, you were just pulled into her.

Yeah. And you see you had a screen test. Tom Hanks, though.

We had a screen test. Tom Hanks, too, for both. Both of them we had. Is it true John Candy was hung over for the racquetball scene? Yes. For for real.

For real. He stayed out with Jack Nicholson until like four or five in the morning. And then he went right to work. He was John Candy was had a lot of endurance.

I mean, really a lot of endurance. When when before we hired before John Candy would say yes to that role, because he was the most famous of all of them. No doubt. He said, the only way I do this advice is if I meet Brian, you know, meet me and see if there's chemistry. And so I went to a Mexican restaurant right across the street from Warner Brothers and he had 17 small rum and cokes. But he he drank them like just one after the next. And he just lit up and was fun. And but it wasn't never got sloppy. Just kept going.

The night with Nicholson, I think he overdid it. So he like literally ran into the ball that hit him in the head. That was that was real.

That was real. You know, we anticipated we we thought first we knew we'd have to shoot it in two shots. Right.

Sure. But we didn't have to because the minute he hit that ball, it hit him right in the head. He couldn't get out of the way of it. So it was all one shot. Yeah.

He didn't hit him in the eye. Oh my gosh. That was a fun movie. I made a lot of movies that were fun for me, actually.

Name me another one. I really loved making American Gangster just because I liked that world. I loved that era. I like gangster movies with Ridley Scott, Russell Crowe and Denzel Washington. I had a lot of fun making producing Blue Crush on the North Shore of Oahu.

In fact, the day I got there, I bought a house on the North Shore because I loved it so much. And A Beautiful Mind was such a great result. I learned a lot from Apollo 13. I still do some of the lessons because we set up an astronaut training school for Tom Hanks, Kevin Bacon and Bill Paxton and Gary Sinise.

And they taught us a lot of practical things. Take naps every day. And I think Tom Hanks still takes a nap every day. I know I do.

After lunch, 15, 20 minutes max. So we do things. We learned a lot that we took later in life. Well, it's funny. We've had both Kevin Bacon and Gary Sinise here on this show talking about going through their training for Apollo 13. Neither of them mentioned a nap. They both talked about vomiting. That they did. Well, they did. They vomited. That's what they talked about more than the rigorous nature of their training for that movie.

They talked about that. Well, because in order to achieve zero gravity, you get about 27 seconds of zero gravity per parabolas. Now, you have to do 50 parabolas because they're doing science experiments at the back of the plane. So they won't allow you to regulate how many you do.

You must do 50, I think, or 100. And these guys were trapped on this jet, this rocket doing that. A jet, rather.

Because all you were able to capture is 17 seconds of the 27 seconds. So, yeah, everybody got sick. I mean, that's a remote drop movie for me. Doesn't matter where I am, what I have to do.

If I see Apollo 13 come on, I've got to drop the remote. It is an outstanding, beautiful, well-crafted, acted, produced, obviously, movie. It's awesome, Brian.

It really is. Ron did an amazing job. He created the architecture that gave you the narrative architecture that got you so involved and those cutaways.

I think he kind of came up with a new paradigm of how to create suspense in an environment that is so singular like that. There's one television show that I've seen of yours. Well, I've seen many. But one television show where I would call a friend of mine, a buddy of mine at the end, and say, are you crying? And he'd say, yeah, I'm crying.

Are you crying? I'm like, yeah, it's Friday Night Lights. Oh, wow. Friday Night Lights, we would call each other up and just like sheepishly admit we're crying over this stuff. And the movie is fantastic. I mean, the movie is wonderful. The television show is one of the greatest TV shows of all. It gutted me that they stopped making it. I mean, what happened on that show? They didn't get high enough ratings for a network television show.

Had it been today and on a stream room, it would have lasted forever. I think so, too. I mean, it birthed a lot of Taylor Kitsch, Michael B. Jordan. It birthed a lot of great actors. But more importantly, it was really involving, as you point out. I love that it spoke to you like that.

It did. And it speaks to kids still today. They like that internal drama of what it's, you know, just of what it's the loneliness that you face as a kid growing up and being in high school and and the cliff you fall off if you're on the top of it. Yes, like booby miles and you're winning at everything, get injured and all of a sudden you're no longer a rock star at school. And it just is.

It's a lot of those things. And, you know, to me, the beauty of that was the relationship between coach and wife, coach and daughter. Yeah, those were those were the the relationships of that show that was kind of the moral center, the rock of Friday Night Lights. How did you how did you cast the role of of your coach? He's a dynamite actor. Honestly, look, I love him.

A lot of it is Peter Berg directed the pilot, who's a big sports guy. I don't know if he's been on your show. Oh, yes.

Multiple times. Yeah, he's tremendous. He's really gifted to make another movie with him right now. In fact, a lot of it was him. Kyle Chandler was just perfect.

Yeah, he's women liked him and men wanted to be him. That's a great one. I got Brian Grazer here on the The Rich Eisen Show talking about your illustrious, amazing career.

So I guess so. The the the screen test you said that stands out is the one with Tom Hanks. What what other what other movies of yours are you genuinely pleased about when you look at the trophies in the case or the or the posters on the wall or anything like that? Well, there's certain people I just loved working with.

I was in awe. I always love working with Tom Hanks. He's a professional and he always over delivers. I definitely like working with Eddie Murphy. I've made six movies with him. He's kind of a savant genius. He reads the script one time and six months later, he just is able to act it without ever revisiting the script because he's processed it. You made movies with Arnie who's been sitting here.

Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yes. I'm going to expect to make another one about his miniature donkey and pony. It's called Whiskey and Lulu.

And so is this a an animated feature movie with Lulu? Because Arnold, if you go to Arnold's house, he's feeding these these two pets out of his mouth. I mean, like literally this guy that has wanted everything, like literally everything.

Yes. And very, you know, muscular man stuff. And of course, Governor, he. He's these guys don't talk back, they just love me, you know, like.

Yeah, but he'd be better to talk about it than I. Those are his animals. He makes the oatmeal cookies for him. He makes the yeah, he makes cooks for them. He has the birthday parties. He puts on a birthday hat, has a little birthday for Lulu. You know, it's that's the game. Oh, fantastic.

I mean, I could go on. He's really fun. He's really extremely talented, works very hard. And he's fun to be with. He's playful.

Yeah, I fully agree. When he came here, he refused to sit in the chair in which you're sitting. He called it a baby chair. And he went over to my colleague, Chris Brockman, took his chair and removed the chair. He's the only individual who's ever rearranged furniture while appearing on this show. He's never done.

It was truly great. All right. Before before I let you go, a couple other questions. Did you ever get concerned about during the making of 24 Brian Grazer that Jack Bauer never had to go to the bathroom, never had a meal and always had cell reception? Did that ever strike you in any shape or form? Definitely. Yes.

Yeah. He never does any of those things. So there was never a scene where he's like, I got to like he's chasing the bad guy.

You know, the nuclear bombs going off. After him never gets tired. He gets back up. He's very durable. He can do it all. Yeah.

I plan to I plan on doing something else with Kiefer. Yeah. Oh, fantastic. OK.

He's tremendous. And then there's one last show that you were a part of that unfortunately did not last very long. It was on TNT. It was an outstanding show, if I may say so myself, because it was my one lone foray into reality television game hosting called The Great Escape.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was a good show. So great title. Good show. Great host, if you don't mind me saying performance.

Thank you so much. I mean, we should have started with that. There I am looking very mysterious in Alcatraz Prison. Yeah. What do you think? Definitely curious about you. What does he think?

What's rich thinking? You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking when am I going to sleep? It was four in the morning when I took this photograph in Alcatraz Prison. Wow. You look sharp, though. Thank you. You look good. I still have the coat, which is great. But yeah, I wished I was it was an incredible show.

Thank you. We went to we went to so many different places. It was too good to air.

That was the problem. Other competitors, everybody. We got calls. Don't air this. It's too good.

It makes us look bad. I thought it was going to go on forever. But listen, and I could with you. And I appreciate you coming in here and recounting your your your history, your filmography. You barely scratched the surface. I cannot recommend your documentary on the Patriots enough. It is amazing. It is stupendous.

And I can't wait to see how you tell the rest of this story. Oh, yeah. You haven't gotten to the end. Well, I mean, they haven't released it yet.

Oh, OK. Got it. I mean, I'm just like everyone else. I'm watching to every Friday night to my office or somebody. Hey, give me the rest of the you know, I mean, I'll take them. I kind of know how the story ends.

You know, it's really great to watch. Right. Is there anything you want to preview? Brady?

OK. Brady gets really emotional. I imagine towards the end of it when it's all to see it. OK. Yeah, it's got everything. It's got everything you're going to want to see. Fantastic.

And stuff that I've never seen before, which is the beauty of this series. Thanks again for coming on. Anytime you have anything you want to come and promote, the chair is yours. Truly appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate it.

You bet. Brian Grazer is here. You can follow him on Instagram at Brian Grazer, The Dynasty, The New England Patriots, two episodes every single Friday night on Apple TV, which you can get right here on Roku. We'll be right back in a moment on The Rich Eisen Show. Can you tell me the story, the famous story of you noticing John Candy in the crowd before that two-minute drill at the Bengals? Harris Parton was a people person, so we were free for dinner during the week, but in practice and meetings, and then come back after dinner and more meetings. So when he would come back from dinner, he was like a little kid.

He could not wait to tell you about all the celebrities he saw while he was at dinner. And so we were just standing there, and between the tight end and his shoulder was a friend, John Candy. In the crowd. He was on the sideline. Oh, he's on the sideline. And so I was, and I sat there and I looked and I go, dang, I don't remember Harris saying he saw John Candy. This is what you're thinking in the Super Bowl with minutes to go, needing to drive down the field.

Yeah. Well, yeah, so I walked over and said, hey, hey, man, there's John Candy. And Harris stood like this for eight minutes, perfectly still. He was a little bit angled that way.

He would not move. He was like a little, I didn't do it to unwind him. I just thought he would appreciate seeing John Candy. Did you ever meet Candy, or that was the only time?

Yeah, no, I had met John a few years before that. My contract was up. Okay.

And he was one of the owners of the Toronto Argonauts. Okay. He was trying to get me to go to Canada. Come on.

Yeah. They just didn't have enough money. But if the price was right, you'd have... I might have been wearing an Argonaut for him.

Yeah, you'd have a 55-yard line. He'd be like, I'll do that. So he legitimately said, hey. Yeah, we had a couple meetings about that. You did. So this is real.

It wasn't just like, oh, by the way. No, no, no, no. Wow. I love that. Fun stuff. Great John Candy story again, now just from Brian Grazer moments ago. Back on the Rich Eisen Show radio network. I'm sitting at the Rich Eisen Show desk, furnished by Grainger, with supplies and solutions for every industry. Grainger has the right product for you.

Call clickranger.com or just stop by. Great pop culture chat with Brian Grazer right there. Yeah, that was awesome. So news a-poppin'.

People are talking at the combine. Oh, yeah. And earlier this day, fresh sound bites regarding Chris Brockman's favorite subject matter. I mean, he just loves it. It's like waving a red flag in front of a bull. Subject matter of Daniel Jones, New York Giants quarterback.

Joe Shane, Joe Shane. Well, you weren't right on that day. Minnesota Vikings fans would have loved for you to have been right. The wildcard game a couple of postseasons ago when he showed up like Colin Kaepernick 2.0 and just crushed him. And that's why the Giants are still hanging there. It looks like still hanging their hopes on that guy could come back. He didn't show up this year. That's for sure. I guess in the second half in Arizona, when they were down staring a winless start in the face.

I take no pleasure in being that guy. He showed up that day. Just saying I want him to do well. Do you really?

I don't know. OK. Joe Shane, general manager of the Giants. Last we saw him, he of him, he and Dable sitting next to each other in the exit interview. And he's just like, yeah, we believe in him.

And it appears. That belief is not shaken at all. Not even stirred. It's not like a bond martini at all.

Not shaken, not stirred. As a matter of fact, it seems like Daniel Jones is getting back sooner than people think maybe. Healthier coming back from a blown out knee and a neck injury.

Here's Joe Shane, general manager today on the quarterback of the Giants. So he actually started throwing. Yeah, Jordan, he actually started throwing. He's been throwing for about two weeks stationary now. He's not dropping back or doing any of that stuff. So he is on track. He's doing everything he can to get back. We're optimistic about where he is. And there's some talk in the spring that he may be able to go through, whether it's seven on seven or individual throwing routes on air, that he'll be able to do some of that stuff.

We probably won't expose him to team activities, but every patient responds differently to surgery. So, you know, knock on wood, we haven't had any setbacks. He hasn't had any setbacks.

And if he continues on that pace, he should be ready for the start of training camp. I have faith in Daniel. I have faith in Daniel as our starting quarterback.

There you go. I have faith in Daniel. Somebody's like, is he a starting quarterback?

Yeah, he's a starting quarterback. What else? As a human? You got faith in him as a human? Good driver.

Orders well at restaurants. As the 53rd man. Listen, Giants fans.

Holding a clipboard. The only way that Daniel Jones won't be the quarterback now or in their plans as the future is if Jayden Daniels drops to them at sixth overall and places that conundrum right in their laps in the middle of Thursday night in Detroit. I believe.

I make for good TV. That would be a surprise to me if they trade up. That'd be a shock. Certainly since contractually him coming back, they play it out and they see how it goes.

Certainly if the Maratish ownership group is not placing any undue pressure on both of these guys. So. Sorry, Chris. Well, I'm sorry for Giants fans.

Sorry, folks. Because they're not going to win much. Question was about Saquon Barkley and if their value of Barkley is changed because the word is they're not going to franchise tag him. And this is what Joe Shane had to say about the value of Saquon if it's changed in the mind's eye of the Giants. I'd say his value has changed, especially the organization.

Like he's a captain, he's a leader, he's a hard worker. I think the world of Saquon and I still think he can play. So my value for Saquon really hasn't changed. Unfortunately, throughout the process, starting back in November of 2022, we weren't able to come to an agreement in terms of where we both thought a deal made sense.

So we'll circle back again. He has a new agent, Ed Berry, who we have a really good relationship with, with CAA, really good guy and does a great job. So I look forward to sitting down and having conversations with him. I think we've all grown, Saquon, myself, the organization, through the last 12, 13, 14 months, and Saquon may be in a different place now than he was then in terms of understanding the market and the business side of it, and I'm looking forward to having those conversations with him. I don't know if Saquon, again, I shouldn't speak for the guy. I only just saw him and gave him a head nod, what's up, I think on the red carpet at NFL Honors Night.

I think that's where I saw him in Vegas. Listen, I don't think his concept of his value in the marketplace has changed or his read of the room is going to be a hometown discount. And if he's not franchise tag, the first team that should test whether Saquon's view of the market has changed, but they're over the cap right now, these things can change. If I'm Jim Harbaugh and I'm the Los Angeles Chargers, the first thing I do is I go and get this kid and sit his ass in the same building as Justin Herbert and the Rams and go, it's not just the coach who's in town, it's Saquon. And if Greg Roman was saying, could you imagine what Justin Herbert looks like with a great running game? That's the great running game. And you go to work and you tell everybody the Chargers have arrived in the American Football Conference Western Division in a way that we haven't seen in a while. That's my two cents on that subject matter.

And then a fifth overall, you take Joe Alt and away we go. And away we go. But they're capped right now. They're, yeah. They've got to make some moves. They've got to make some moves.

But that would be the way I would test. And what do you think? Do you think Saquon would go, yeah, I'm not going to take the market value that I had last year because I want to stay with the Giants and give them less? Unless Joe Shane has a better read on the running back market than I have.

And last year he was spot on, man. I just don't understand how, again, they look at Saquon and he talks about him in glowing terms as well as should. But he wants McCaffrey money and they won't give it to him?

Why not? The salary cap just went up by a gajillion dollars. 30 mil. Take that 30 mil and give it to Saquon.

I'm not saying all of it. I'm sure that that cap money, that extra cap money will help them with many other players that they thought they would have to really try, you know, work hard to find the space to resign. I'm oversimplifying it when I'm just saying, well, you got more cap money, give it to Saquon. All I'm saying is that if you are sitting here going, let's see if Saquon after the last 13 months has a better read of the room.

If you're associating the market value that you have in your mind and describing that to Saquon, in his thought process, they might have another thing coming and that other thing coming might come from Los Angeles. The Rolling Stone Music Now podcast gets inside the biggest stories with Rolling Stone senior writer Brian Hyatt. And here's Lil Yachty with Tierra Whack. I've never been to a fashion show.

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