Albert Breer: Chargers are close to hiring Jim Harbaugh

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And now, it's Rich Eisen. Yep, Andrew Whitworth's going to join us in hour number three, Albert Breer in 20 minutes time and there is breaking news out of here in Los Angeles through my colleague Mike Garofalo at the NFL Network. That's how we come on the air in hour number two. It appears, according to Mike, that the Los Angeles Chargers are within, as he refers, what is it, striking distance? Striking distance, which means it's close to hire my coach Jim Harbaugh and put him on the sideline of the Los Angeles Chargers and say, you, sir, are in charge and you're in charge of taking Justin Herbert and going ahead and nailing this thing down. Harbaugh is in LA today, right now. And this is what happened yesterday with Brian Callahan in Tennessee. They had him in for a second in person and they struck the deal. And they're like, you're not leaving, you're staying here. And this is it.

I would imagine if he does, if he leaves the building and there's no deal and maybe he's also sensing Atlanta is going in a different direction or this is all a leverage play to stay put at Michigan, which isn't pie in the sky. Every single person that I talk to or text about this is like, your guess is as good as mine. Your guess is as good as mine. And the Chargers, I believe, Chris, look it up. Look it up, sir. Play the Baltimore Ravens next year. So we would get a Harbaugh right off the bat in 2024, potentially against a Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens team. Ooh, do I smell opening night next year if the Ravens win the Super Bowl? Well, let's it would be in Los Angeles.

OK, never mind. Game will be here. So that one that's not a but by the way, I mean, we almost had it.

It is out here in LA. OK, well, guess what? All right, Sunday night game. That would be for the whole country to soak in.

Sunday night week, too. Well, listen, it hasn't happened yet. Let's not go there. I don't want to go all Winston Wolf on you here, but let's not let's not go there yet.

So we're we're waiting to hear. And all of us in Maison blue country around pins and needles, because if he's not coming back, that means we got to get going on our own reset. You already got your coach. He's right there.

He won three games. No, I know right on the side. I'm not saying like go like I would hire him instantly and then go to work.

Yeah, go to work coach. And then all the Ohio State Hawks that I know and hit me on my timeline. They're talking about how all their players are returning and how talented they are and how good they are and how they're keeping their guys. They're their collective. Apparently, Cardale Jones is part of their their collective. Running their collective.

I saw on the old Instagram machine today, which means it's got to be true that C.J. Stroud made a major contribution to that collective. And I'm hearing it's been the amount of money that was doled out in, I guess, NIL deals, what have you reached eight figures combined for them to keep this team intact.

What I say back to all of them is good luck. And if Ohio State breaks the three game losing streak against Michigan next November under the new construct that might not eliminate us from the playoffs. So the world is different. The world is changing. And at least Michigan won the last do or die, win or go home elimination game maybe in the history of the series until they maybe face each other in a college football playoff game, which is entirely possible when you've got 12 in there.

Definitely going to. So at least Michigan won the last one. Where it's kind of an elimination game, and then I correct myself and say, sorry, we won the last three. Oh, gosh, I hurt myself. Be careful. I know. I know they're hurt myself. So that's the latest time.

That's the latest. Well, we'll get Breer on here. He's one of those Ohio State guys that I speak to quite a bit.

He's joining us in about 10 minutes time. It's a Tuesday. Which means two things. It's not Monday or Wednesday.

It's right in between. And overreaction Monday podcast. Chris and I did it staying after class yesterday. Lots of stuff, but that's not the only things that Chris wants me to overreact to. It's time for overreaction Monday on a Tuesday. Hit it. That was terrible. That was crap. That was garbage. This place sucks.

Overreaction Mondays on Monday on a Tuesday. There we go. There we go. I didn't step over that line this time. Nice.

Sometimes jump the gun. What's up, guys? What do you have over there, Chris? Everybody good?

What do you got over there? I'm also been impressed with the Lions, Rich. You know what? So much so the Lions two wins this playoffs have been more impressive than the one 49ers victory. Let me see this.

The two Lions wins have been more impressive than the one. Yeah. So what? I don't know. What are you getting at here?

Normally I can I can pick up what you're putting down. Yeah. I mean, the two Lions wins were were I guess. I mean, I understand the Niners beat a tough opponent, but I mean, they had to make a comeback. You're all in on the Niners.

You love Brock pretty like a son. I got it. Lions wins. The Lions wins were for a franchise that's never done it before and he's got all the pressure of like, well, if it's not going to be now, when's it going to be? And the 49ers, I know came up with a gritty win, but did it leave me impressed? Not at all. Left me thinking they were kind of lucky to get through all that. So I don't think that's that's wrong in the rain.

No, I know. And as I said yesterday, they checked a ton of boxes. They're not supposed to win when Debo goes out. They're not supposed to win in the rain. They're not supposed to win a game where they had terrible clock management at the end of the first half, where they played themselves into a long field goal in the rain that got blocked. They're not supposed to win a game that they're down by seven points going into the fourth quarter.

And they did not supposed to win a game where they have to depend on Brock Purdy to make the throws in the fourth quarter. And they did so that that that was impressive that they overcame all those things. But the bottom line is there is a lot to overcome. So I had to get a little slow then. All right. Let me let me pick this up a little bit.

What do you got? Mark Davis cave to player pressure in hiring Antonio Pierce as head coach. That's one way to put it. And I'm seeing a couple of tweets saying, I wonder who Max Crosby is going to choose as the general manager. I understand that, but I think he was wise to listen to his players and a lot of the the I guess positive energy is founded. And also this decision may have been informed while the last time I had an interim coach that the players loved. I went with supposedly a known commodity and that blew up in my face. So instead of me thinking, well, let me go with somebody from a, you know, a famous coaching tree and let me go and go and get somebody from a winning organization outside of our space.

Let's go with the guy who proved he can do it and prove that the players are buying what he's selling and and go with the guy that I already have. Love the one you're with. So so many great guys out there, though. And I understand that the lyrics of that song is when you can't be with the one you love, then love the one you're with. I understand that that that that I used a quote from us from a lyric that makes it seem like this is a second choice. I know, but I'm just saying, you know what, I'm just removing the tag from the one you love dance and placing it on you. That's another way to that's a better lyric, maybe. Well, I mean, I don't think that's a lyric that's just using the phrase that involves dancing. Right.

All right. The people I heard you, you agree, right, that that may have been informed by what happened with Rich Versace. I said that when they let him go, it seemed like those guys love playing for. And it showed and you feel the same thing.

But look what Pierce did with this team. They're smoking cigars in the locker room. They're having fun.

And I think we've got to take that in consideration. Well, it's not just having fun. Then they then they played hard. They played hard and they were winning football.

Correct. They're having fun with doing what doing the thing with no results doesn't matter. How are you going to bounce the guy that went into Arrowhead and came up with a win?

Against the team that might eventually win it all. So what else you got, Chris? One in five.

I want to play this clip back when I have the overreaction of this very glass half empty. Well, I mean, very negative out there. What else? All right.

We just talked about the referee, by the way. By the way, you know, they hear us in Las Vegas on Raider Nation radio. And you know where we're going in two weeks, right? Raider Nation.

OK, thank you. Way to go, Chris. I love the Raiders. We just talked about the referees and TJ's had the script all season. So why does it feel like we're getting a Super Bowl fifty four rematch? Chiefs forty niner.

I don't I don't believe you're wrong. I'm I'm it feels like it. I said it. That was my you know what? It's only it would be only fitting to get this match with all due respect to lines and Ravens fans, because this is this is who I this is who I predicted would be in the Super Bowl prior to the season beginning. And then I jumped off and then I jumped off it.

Yeah, I jumped off it. Do you know who refereed that game? Bill Vinovich.

Same guy. So I don't know. What's the script say? Oh, they announced the ref is the fix in the color scheme. The fix. Let's go looking for a fix. We've got a script. We're in Vegas. Oh, my God.

Mark, the whole thing around 20. Oh, oh, well, you know, it's hanging. Leave us hanging, TJ. Leave us hanging. Come on now to take this home with me.

Yeah. Well, I think the script stunk from the fifth snap of the season on for the Jets. I understand. I told you to throw that thing out. And then you're then then that script flipped on you. And it's the Green Bay Packers, pal.

Get upset because I'm not great. I read the script. That script is another wide right for Buffalo fans. They think that script stinks to bring that it's going to be funny. 31 teams are going to think that fan base is going to think that script really stinks. It is what it is. Throw it out and write it.

All right. What else, Chris? I'm glad Donor Lofsky is not on the on the horn anymore, because with AFC QB injuries and the Chiefs are having a down year.

This was the Bill's best chance to win the AFC. Their window is closed. That's ridiculous. Windows closed. Get out of here. Seventeen's on the screen. As long as he's healthy and breathing and playing like Josh Allen, the window is wide open. Wide open. This was the year, right?

It was supposed to be the year. Joe Burrow hurt and Rogers. I got it, man.

I got it. If you and Herbert, if you told Bill's fans prior to the jump, OK, Herbert would get hurt. Burrow would get hurt. And that, you know, Rogers would get hurt. And that the Steelers would still have problems at their quarterback spot and that Deshaun Watson would get hurt. Yeah. And that too would play the entire season. Right.

And that might give them a little bit of pause. Like, what does that mean for our divisional hopes? But we still got Allen, whatever. And by the way, you'll be the two seed and you'll have the Chiefs in your house for the divisional playoff game.

You'll be like that. Where's the paper? Let me sign it right now. You know, and you know, the pen might take the form of a certain toy. You know, it would be really weird. It was their best shot, but it was their best shot. But that doesn't mean it's their only shot. The window is wide open. It's not one.

Come on, Rich. It's not wide, wide open. It is not wide open.

It is. Be honest. I'm being it's not wide open. How they are in Cap-El next year. So what? So what? You know, isn't it? Who's the receiver?

Do you know what's in capital? The Rams and the Bucks were in Cap-El. They both made the playoffs.

One of them actually had an opportunity to force overtime to go to the NFC championship game. I know they're home. I get it. But the window is open.

And anybody who knows this should be you. If you have a quarterback, the window's open. If you don't have a quarterback, the window is closed. Guess who Josh Allen's not?

Tom Brady. Like, come on. Let's be honest. I will call that an overreaction.

What else? Alright, here's some love for Baltimore here. No matter what happens on Sunday, who Jackson is the best player in the NFL? You could make that argument.

I don't think that's an overreaction. You could absolutely make the case that he's the best player in the NFL. But what does that make Mahomes? Don't you think the rings have anything to do with it? I mean, that would be part of the argument in the pushback. You could absolutely make a case that he's the best player in the NFL. He's going to be the most valuable player. I know that. But you say no matter what happens Sunday, you started your subject matter of overreaction Monday with five words.

Let me see if I can put it on top. It looks like it's no matter what happens Sunday. So no matter what happens Sunday, he loses to Mahomes, who is proven year in and year out. That doesn't matter, I guess, who he's throwing passes to. Tyreek Hill's gone and he wins the Super Bowl. And then he wins maybe two. And then it doesn't matter if they drop passes. If Kadaria Scissorhands is there or his foot's like Kevin Durant on the three-point line.

And then suddenly he still overcomes all that. That doesn't make him the best player? I mean, again, there's an argument for it, but I don't think there's no... You can make a great argument here for Lamar Jackson anyway, so I won't call that an overreaction. I'll call it an argument.

So making an argument. What else? All right. Last one.

Last one. Another Eagles coordinator has gotten fired. Jeffrey Laurie's firing the wrong people. Making a mistake.

Keeping Nick Sirianni. Yeah, I don't know, man. That sounds that's it's just we'll find out.

How does that sound? I honestly can't sit. I could sit here and say this is not an overreaction. That if you're if you went ahead and needed to fill in two spots of two guys that showed in their first year as head coaches elsewhere that they're really that talented and thus difficult to replace. And Sirianni had everything else working for 11 games and then it kind of fell apart and he couldn't fix it. And that's the reason to fire him. Then that's not an overreaction.

If you're sitting here saying, well, they're really tough to fill in. We just made the wrong mistakes collectively as a group. And Nick definitely held things together and we know what was going on in the locker room and it never got out because Nick had a lid on it.

And he's still the guy that can make these decisions and the players believe in him. And you heard what Fletcher Cox had to say to anybody that walked up to his locker. That's a cue from Mike Del Tufo to stop doing what he's doing and then playing some. Oh, so you did hear me. Did you hear me?

OK. No, you didn't hear me. It's the Fletcher Cox drop. Yes. OK. That's the Fletcher Cox drop.

So you hear that from the locker room and you hear from Kelsey saying we love the guy. So it's it can go either way. It can go either way. I'm asking you to choose.

I know you're asking me to choose. I'll call that an overreaction at the moment. The guy went to the Super Bowl last year. He's got to be a coach for a reason. And his vets love him. So but he's got pretty much one more year and they better get these.

They better get these hires right. Eagles are one in five. Let's play this clip back. All right. I understand. I got it. I got it.

That's overreaction Monday on a Tuesday. Let's take a break here on the Rich Eisen show, because Mike's got to continue depositing that check. Whatever he's doing over there. He's out there on my phone. OK. All right.

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Jump in now or catch up on any of the past seasons of Talkville on YouTube or wherever you listen. All right. Another thing that I guess we should discuss later on in the last hour. Plus, have there been any more relatives of Dallas Cowboys heading to social media to say that they're.

What, brother or son or whatever should get the hell out of a different team? Is that a no? Kind of quiet. It's been kind of quiet.

But it's only, you know, 10, 20 here on the West Coast. That's true. It's early on. Yeah. All right. So we've got that story later on. Right. Is it a story? It's something.

It's interesting. I mean, if you're if let's say you were had a rough stretch or you're at the end of the contract and your brother just started mass tweeting that you need to get out. Yeah.

Be on another network. Yeah. That would make some news, I think, among our business. If you cut Brotman off one time and then Miss Mary got on Twitter and was talking about rich eyes and won't let my son live. Someone will probably be like, you know, your mom is on Twitter. She is.

I don't know. The last time she tweeted, to be honest, I would have to explain to my mom what Twitter is. And then then they then they called it X. Yeah, I think that that might I don't know if that would be the most confusing aspect to my mom.

Oh, my mom is pretty active on November, January 11th. What was she doing? She was retweeting about us saying that you should get out.

She retweeted one of our videos, you know, and then if I don't about the if I don't check, if I don't let yours if if if Rich won't let my son. What like what like what's your biggest beef here? What's your biggest beef here? Oh, my biggest beef. Oh, well, you know, you brought pizza yesterday, so.

OK, OK, when I don't know. Oh, you went home. You went home. Why did you go home before we shot us?

Why did you go home before our shoot for our Super Bowl open? Because we had like three hours between the time the show was over. Wasn't three.

You're doing a del tufo. Wasn't three. Well, for his call time.

Before my call time. Oh, OK. Yeah. But yeah, you went home. I went home and had lunch. Oh, we ate pizza. Oh, that's messed up. Oh, it's not messed up. It was delicious news.

You lose. Well, I've never known you to buy lunch for us before, so I didn't know. That's because I never saw your mom tweet at me about it completely. Back on the Rich Eisen Show radio network, sitting at the Rich Eisen Show desk, furnished by Grainger with supplies and solutions for every industry. Grainger has the right product for you.

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Anybody land in Los Angeles that you know of recently? Here we go. I was about to say, of all the coaching hires that you want to break.

Right. It's got to be Jim Harbaugh leaving Michigan to go somewhere. So but but as you and I are conversing in the middle of the afternoon on this Tuesday after divisional playoffs, it does appear that Harbaugh is here talking to the Chargers and that there's a lot of there. There's smoke and there's a fire and he's there. They might not let him out of the building.

Albert. Yeah. So I think, you know, I think that there's two tracks that the Chargers search is working on. Like the one track is the Harbaugh track. The other track, I think, is the contingency track. So they've continued to go through interviews with other people and continue the process. The calendar has changed a little. And so the way the NFL calendar works now, you can't bring in people in person until this week. So like if you you can't just go through like a week of courting with one candidate and then reset after you put yourself way behind.

So that's still going on over to your right, over to your left. You have the Harbaugh piece of this, which to me, like I don't think it's about money anymore. Like because I know that there's a lot of talk about that. I'm not sure it's about money. I think this is about structure. This is about resources.

This is about what you're going to put around me and what it's going to look like. And so, like to me, the questions are things like, are you willing to pay Jesse Mentor three or four million dollars a year to come with me as defensive coordinator, as defensive coordinator was my was my front office look like. Right. And we've seen they've interviewed no less and it might be more, but no less than four candidates that he's got connections to two guys who have Baltimore roots and Joe Ortiz and Ian Cunningham. Brandon Brown, the Giants assistant general manager, he's got a relationship with an Ed Dodds, the Colts assistant general manager who he goes back all the way to Oakland with.

So he's known for 20 years. So it looks like they're willing to hire a general manager to match with him. And then I think this is a key part. How does ownership involve itself in football? You and I both know the Spanos family is very involved. It's a family business.

Right. And John Spanos, Dean's son, has overseen the football operations side. Jim Harbaugh had problems with ownership in San Francisco. And so I certainly could see where for Jim, a big part would be like, how do I head that off now?

How do I make sure that's not a problem now? And it's coming to a comfort level with how ownership is going to be involved on the football side. So I think all that stuff is what determines whether this gets pushed over the goal line or not.

Like, and I think a lot of people were looking at money and stuff like that. Like I, I think that was always going to take care of itself because I do think like the Spanos are and the Chargers in general are sensitive to the idea they won't spend or that they're irrelevant in L.A. And I think, you know, getting Harbaugh addresses all of that. I think now it's sort of about like what you're putting around Jim and whether or not the setup is comfortable for him, which it sounds to me like they're willing to do what it takes to get this done.

Yeah, why not? I mean, honestly, especially since, you know, this last several years was filled with Brandon Staley. We're going to stick with him, even though Sean Payton sitting right here in Southern California on the Fox set. We're going to stick with him after he blew a twenty seven to seven lead in the playoffs. And then this year plays out to the point where they feel no choice but to fire him midseason. And then Jim Harbaugh sitting out there and then what he would go back to Michigan or wind up in Atlanta or somewhere else because it comes out. The Chargers wouldn't give him whatever he felt comfortable that he needed to feel comfortable. I mean, what that that you can't have that for a business standpoint would be horrible, wouldn't it? I mean, you're out there. I mean, like I just I mean, as far as like being relevant in Los Angeles, the chance that Harbaugh gives you to be that. And then to get the rug pulled from underneath you and you're not getting him like now, what do you have now?

What do you do? Do you go spend twenty five million to go get Belichick to make for it? You know what I mean? Like, it's almost at the cost of losing that now with so many people assuming it's going to happen could be heavier. You know, so I think I like I personally think this has nothing to do with my allegiance. But I personally think like this is this is set up. I use I think I use the Parcells comparison with you a couple of years ago, a couple of weeks ago.

Right. Like where it's like I think he's the modern day Parcells as an NFL coach. The Chargers are ready to win now. Like that roster. Like they're not going to be like Joey Bosa and Derwin James and and Keenan out like those guys aren't going to be around forever.

You know what I mean? Like maybe someone won't be there next year. So I do think that there is an urgency with a group of players you have right now.

There's a need for some juice, you know, in the market from a business standpoint. And, you know, and you've got a quarterback there who can attract a guy like a Jim Harbaugh. You know, so it just all lines up. And then on top of that, like geographically, he loves California. He went to high school in Palo Alto. He played for the Chargers. You know, he coached for the Raiders at the start of his career. He coached at the University of San Diego. He coached at Stanford. He has a lot of ties to California. And so the geography to me is like almost a cherry on top.

A lot of things line up. Yeah. He also retired Nick Saban here.

First of the year. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

Just pointing that out. On the way to winning the national championship. Albert Brea here on the Rich Eisen Show. So what is the latest with Belichick? What do you got for me on that one? I think it's similar. Like I think it's like a lot of it would come down to structure with the Falcons.

You know, and whether or not they're willing to set things up a certain way. I think Rich McKay is a key figure here. Bill has been very critical of the competition committee over the years.

Both publicly and privately. And has had a real you-know-what across his you-know-what about the competition committee. So and Rich McKay has been one of these guys who like has been very involved, has been involved in football, but as guys have gotten fired from there, has survived over and over and over again. And so like how do Bill Belichick and Rich McKay match up?

Because Rich McKay is one of the most trusted advisors to Arthur Blank. So there's that, right? Then there's Terry Fontenot, the personnel department. How does that match up?

How does that work? Can Bill bring all of his infrastructure? How much power is Bill going to have in personnel, right?

Like is he going to be the guy with his finger on the trigger and is Arthur Blank going to be comfortable with that after, you know, what the Patriots roster looks like now? Again, like I, you know, I know I sound like a broken record saying a lot of the same things I was saying about, you know, the Chargers with the Falcons, but I think it's the truth. You know, I don't think this is about money.

I think this is about structure. I think this is about like it being set up a certain way. And, you know, I do think like, you know, Bill has in his head who he's going to bring with him if he goes. You know, so that means like, you know, you're probably, you know, are you hiring Josh McDaniels with you? Are you hiring Joe Judge with you? Are you hiring Matt Patricia with you? Like a lot of like guys like I think are lined up and waiting for him, you know? And so again, like I think more than just money, there are a lot of things that match up for the Falcons' geography the same way with Harbaugh, the roster same way with Harbaugh. There are a lot of things that match up that are attractive to Bill here.

I think, you know, based on the way he's operated for the last 24 years in New England, there are also some requirements as far as what he, the way he'd want it to be set up for him to take the plunge and do it again. I mean, then there's a matter of the, I mean, with Harbaugh going to the Chargers, he's got Justin Herbert sitting there. Who's going to be the quarterback in Atlanta, right?

I know. And that's the question, right? Like, but, but hey, if you have Belichick, that probably attracts some people, right?

Like, no, not everybody, but. But who? Like, it's not like the free agent market would be what? Would it be Kirk Cousins, Jimmy G? Could be a fun one or Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins would make a lot of sense. I think Kirk Cousins is the most sensical one. Like, and Russell Wilson, just because Bill, Bill has collected players who are maybe a little over the hill, who used to be superstars. Bill collects those guys like action figures. Go back over the years, right? Like, think about it over the years. The Corey Dillon action figure, the Randy Moss action figure.

Chad Ochocinco, Joey Galloway, Tim Tebow. Some of them work out, some of them don't. Okay. But isn't it true?

No, I understand that. But Bill is also, you know, he's got a window just like Arthur Blank in terms of needing to win right now. Here's a fun name. Baker Mayfield. Oh, man. That's not a bad one. He liked him in 18.

Okay. That could go up and get him. They weren't, I mean, they had just been in the Super Bowl and Baker Mayfield went first overall, so it wasn't realistic. But Bill Belichick put Josh McDaniels on a plane the week of the draft to go work out Baker Mayfield, Norman, Oklahoma.

So, I mean, like, that's one that, like, I mean, that's what's fascinating, too, about it, too. The franchise tag could cost like 35, could be like $35 million at that position. Does Tampa, if the Falcons land Belichick, does Tampa have to franchise Baker to keep him away from Atlanta? Well, and there's Justin Fields, too. If the Bears go ahead and draft Caleb Williams, where, like, that, what a fascinating, fascinating next couple months are really unfolding right now. And where does Vrabel wind up, Albert?

Yeah. So I feel like Vrabel is sort of, I think Vrabel, A, I think he's, he might wind up being the best guy in the market just because of age, right? Now, he doesn't have the accomplishments that Bill and Jim have, but just because of age, like, he's still in his 40s. Like, I think he might actually be the best prospect, if you want to call him that, of the guys in the market.

I would say right now it feels almost like he's running second a bunch of places. Like, I think Seattle could hire him. Like, I think Seattle, I think John Schneider would really look at that, maybe over Dan Quinn. But, you know, Dan Quinn is the presumed leader in the clubhouse there. I think the Chargers would look at hiring him if Jim Harbaugh were to leave them at the altar.

I think the Falcons would look at him very seriously if the Bill Belichick thing doesn't work out. So it does feel like he's running second a bunch of these places. You know where I think he might have landed, if things had played out differently, is Philly.

Like, I think that would have been a possibility. So, like, it's not that he doesn't have, it's not that he's not a strong candidate in a lot of these places. He is. It's just that, like, a lot of these places where maybe he fits best, the focus has been on somebody else. I'm going to be interested, too, to just, I would watch Washington with him because he was together with Adam Peters. Adam Peters was the low-level scout, and Brabel was a player, but they were together for six years in New England. And Peters said, and I believe the commanders really like Ben Johnson, 100%, but Peters said something really interesting during his press conference when he was introduced to the general manager there, which was, I'm not looking offense or defense, I'm looking for a leader. Mm-hmm. So... Doesn't that scream Mike Brabel to you?

Of course it does. I mean, so what's your reporting on what happened in Philadelphia last Friday when Sirianni and Jeffrey Lurie met? And they're, you know, going to put Sirianni and Howie Roseman out in front of the media on Wednesday. What a fascinating back and forth that should be in Philadelphia.

What's your reporting there, Albert? I think it's, I think it's, like, similar to the way Jeffrey Lurie handled it three years ago. Okay, now, when they went through that three years ago, if you remember, I believe it was eight days after the last game of the season that they fired Doug Peterson. And a big part of that was Jeffrey Lurie waited to meet with Peterson and let Peterson and Howie get their ducks in a row and come up with a plan to dig them out of what was a really bad season for them in the COVID year, right? Like, they finished behind Washington that year. I think Washington went 6-9 and 1-1 the division, something crazy like that, whatever it was. And so, in the end, like, the plan wasn't satisfactory.

And it wasn't satisfactory in part because, you know, Doug was really loyal to his assistants and he didn't want to clean out the staff. I think that that's sort of the template of what happened here was that, you know, Jeffrey does wait sometimes to meet with his coaches after the season and gave them time to, you know, come up with something. Hey, here's what we see it looking like at the end of the year. Here's what we see it looking like going into 2024. Here's the plan. Here's who my coaches are going to be. Here's how the roster is going to be set up. And not like that, like, he needs to win his job back or anything like that.

But, you know, you got to put the owner in a position where he feels good about what the plan is going forward. And so, I think that's sort of the way it played out. And now they're looking for two new coordinators. And it's such a weird thing too, Rich, because, like, I can remember, like, so, like, last year on the night of week 18, I was talking to Nick Sirianni on the phone and he, you know, had a beer in his hand and he was at Shane Steichen's house. And the entire staff was there.

And they were celebrating winning the number one seed. And he said that he wanted to do this. Nick did. Because his dad and his brothers were high school coaches. And they would come and hang out on Friday nights, you know. And he never got the chance to do that.

And having the buy gave him the chance to do that. The reason I'm telling that story is because there was such a great vibe. Such a great vibe on that staff. A lot of the coaches were the same age.

They had kids the same age. That was a year ago. Right? That was a year ago that that was the vibe in that building. That that was the vibe in that staff. And now you lose the two coordinators who get opportunities to be head coaches in Steichen and Jonathan Gannon. And you did such a poor job replacing them that you got to blow the new guys out of town now too. One of whom was on the staff last year.

It's crazy and it'll be interesting to see how they come out of this because it's almost like Nick is now going to be chasing something that they built the first two years that somehow they lost over the last year. So before I let you go, Albert, give me your best guess on the post-mortem in Buffalo that's already begun. What do you think? So this reminds me.

I keep making these comps. Like I hope you're not bored. No, no. Come on. We're fascinated.

You had to say hello, Albert. This feels to me like the Tony Dungy Buccaneers. Doesn't it?

What do you mean? A team that like a coach comes in, does a great job, phenomenal job building it up and they just can't get over the hump. And they've been they've been hitting this glass ceiling for years and years and years. It feels like the Tony Dungy Buccaneers a little bit to me. OK, so who's the Gruden?

Well, and so the follow up questions there are who's the Gruden and where the Pagulas go ahead and say sayonara to their coach who's not, you know, in anybody's mind, a Hall of Fame possible resume right now, despite his immense success in Buffalo. Albert, would they do it? I don't think they're going to.

I don't think they're going to. But it's something to think about because they like, does it feel like something needs to be shaken up a little there? Whatever it is. What else is there? The, you know, the defensive coordinator, the offensive coordinator, you know, and and I don't know.

That's the thing is like, have you gotten to that point where it's like this is the only thing left? Well, I mean, the special teams coordinator because Bass missed the field goal and once upon a time there was a 12th man on the field. I mean, I'm being facetious, but it really I don't know what else to say, because the one thing we're not coming out of this game saying that one decision that was ridiculous.

We're pointing at that moment. They lost to the Chiefs, you know, and then the flip side of it. The flip side of it, Rich, is like that, like you go back five years. Connor Orr, who I work with at SI, like brought this up on our podcast a minute ago, like look at Harbaugh five years ago, like they were almost running him out of Baltimore, right?

Like how dumb would like and if you go and you look at like the guys who got jobs that year, that offseason, like Freddie kitchens, Cliff Kingsbury, Adam Gase, that's the market they would have been going into. So that's the flip side of it is like, you know, you've got a guy you're comfortable with who's clearly good at the job. Like, do you want to go back into the wilderness? I know, but this wilderness has Belichick, Harbaugh and Vrabel sitting in it, brother.

It's a different wilderness, to say the least. Yeah. And you have Josh Allen to offer up, right? Like you have like, hey, come coach Josh Allen with the OC in place, with the OC in place. I mean, I think clearly Joe Brady and Allen, Allen's come out and said, I don't want to change the offensive coordinator. And he also said, you know, hey, McDermott leaves the offense alone. So I don't know what the answer is.

I just that would stun me, right? That's the answer. I think they hang on to Sean. I think the roster part of it's more interesting because I do believe like the windows open as long as Josh is there.

I agree. But like with this particular group, it's not not wide open anymore because I mean, like the guys they've won with over the last seven years and guys who come on to the roster over the last seven years that are core pieces, Tredavious White, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde, you know, Ed Oliver is younger. What about Diggs? The rest of these guys? What about Diggs?

Dion Dawkins? Like a lot of these guys are over 30 now. Like, so there's like the big picture. Like, do we run it back or do we start to retool a little bit? Question two, particularly in a in a year when I mean, this could be restructured.

This could be restructured. So, you know, the number is malleable, but they're looking at like a Josh Allen's cap number tripling next year. So like there's just like I think there are big picture decisions that need to be made as far as the roster goes. And then there's that question again, like, can you run it back or does this does this group need to be shaken up a little bit? You know, they've obviously done a great job building there.

But, you know, this is it feels like this offseason is a very real crossroads for them. OK, Albert, you're the man. Look for my call next week, because obviously a lot of the questions we have will be answered by then. And I appreciate the time here, brother. You got it. That's the great Albert Breer right here on The Rich Isaac Show. At Albert Breer must follow his information on point. OK. Is this Jim Day? I just texted that to somebody who I think would know the answer.

Jim Day. I have not gotten a response yet. Oh, no bubbles. No, nothing. No bubbles. I got no bubbles.

All right. We're bubbles. Bubblicious. I'll let you know when it's bubblicious.

I was more of a bubble young guy back in the day. You know, just to put not too fine a point on things. Is Vrabel going to be left without a seat? I almost this and overreaction kind of feels like Bill is going to be left without a seat. Oh. Well, I mean, if Atlanta goes in a different direction, the answer is yes, I don't think anybody else has been interviewing him, right?

He has not taken any other. Yeah, I don't think Carolina's interviewed him and I haven't heard about Seattle interviewing him. So back in the day, those things could happen without us knowing now everyone that they send out a tweet, they send out a photograph, they send out this. They make an announcement because everything is kind of public and recorded as scheduled follow ups with both Lions coordinators, which can't take place until next week. So the Lions, the Falcons are drawing this out. Maybe that's is that Rich McKay's doing, you know, feels like Arthur should just dude, I don't know, figure out what he wants.

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JB Smoove! I'm back there, he was trash talking to me. I wasn't trash talking to you. I looked up to you, man. I was talking you up. No, I looked up to you, I was looking down at you.

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It's the man who had a ponytail and a belt and had his own language. How did he not build a movie on that platform and have success? It's a cult classic. People sit in their basement smoking the funny stuff while they watch it. And you don't even need the funny stuff, although it helps.

It does help. It's a great movie. To be reunited with JB Smoove, my man. By the way, Bob said Pootie Tang five times during that interview.

So that's 22 fewer times than Marshawn Lynch said he was there to be fined. I'm going to sign your pity on a runny kind. If you want to try to stop me, I've got to say the name out. What is happening right now? First week we ever went to a Super Bowl. In two weeks it will be number 10 for us. Or is it 11?

We've got to figure that out. 10. Number 10. Nine years ago. Nine years ago.

How about them apples? All right, back here on the Rich Eisen Show. So the Dallas Cowboys, as we all know, went down in what's the word Fort Flames? It's the truth.

It's the truth. We have to pull up this Jalen Rose tweet. Dude, we didn't lead with it. We haven't talked about it in days.

Jalen's talking about everybody wants to talk about every single day and that it's corny. Listen, we don't usually pay attention to this sort of stuff, but when it's multiple and also when the Cowboys went down against the Green Bay Packers, it just seemed like Dak and CeeDee Lamb were off. And at one point it seemed like there was a little bit of friction. A little bit.

First quarter at least. Right? Yeah, for sure.

Got that sense. So a handful of, is it on Twitter, X, whatever you want to call it? Facebook. Was it some on Instagram and stuff like that too? Facebook and X. And X. All right. So we're putting it up, leave it up for a while here if you don't mind on the Roku channel.

Hey, radio audience and those listening later on on a podcast. On the bottom right is Lita Ramirez, that is the mom of CeeDee Lamb, right? She tweeted out, Dak isn't it, in caps with three exclamation points. Somebody responded, tell the youngin' to come to the home team. CJ would love him. Meaning, Stroud. CeeDee's from Houston, right? I think that would be home to him.

And then she responds, I wish he would. CJ is great. All right. Then also, top left, Terrence Parsons Jr. Is that the brother of Micah? The brother of Micah Parsons, yes. Somebody wrote, you are Jerry Jones, after this, where do you start? That's Michael Gelkin, right, who covers the NFL. He wrote back, he retweeted, fire everybody and if Dak doesn't take 40 million up, next Trey Lance.

Oh, wow. Because as you know, Dak is going to have to figure out a contract extension because he costs a billion dollars on the cap if he doesn't. And in order to do that, they're going to have to extend him. That's the only way, that's been the dicey part of the situation, but has been very quiet because Dak had an MVP season, which these posts from relatives of Dallas Cowboys of note don't really back that up. And then Tad Prescott has chimed in. Brother of Dak, Tad? His older brother, yeah. Okay. Those who, I guess which one was first?

The one in the top right. Right. Cowboys fans, why continue to DM me? Trust me, if I could get Dak to leave Dallas, I would. I too want him out of Dallas. The city and organization have been great to he and our family, but done with drama and the so-called fans, but he loves this team and wants to bring it rings. It's kind of all over the map of saying get him out, blaming the fans, I guess. And then he wrote back, those who really follow or know me knows I've never spoken badly about the Cowboys as an organization or team. I've never spoken badly about a player on the team or the city of Dallas. It's the so-called fans I have an issue with. So this is what's being placed in the lap of Mike McCarthy, period.

End of story. Because this is happening in that locker room. And, you know, mom feels a certain way because, you know, and obviously everybody that's out there, brothers, moms, we ascribe to their tweets and posts the player in questions actual feelings. And you'd have to think that that's got to be close to the truth because they may be saying something off line.

That's normally instead of it being seen online. But I'll tell you, man, who's going to knock the heads together? Is it Jerry? And basically say, you know, dare me, dare me to trade you?

Honestly, like, you want to leave? I'm going to pay, I mean, CeeDee Lamb's about to hit it. Dak's about to hit it and Micah's going to hit it. You know who's not leaving the Dallas Cowboys is Micah Parsons. That's for damn sure. And the Dak question is a fascinating one. You got to extend them in order to keep them.

Right? Would you trade Dak? I don't even know what the cap ramifications of that would be. I mean, but we already, that's not going to happen. I don't think so either.

And CeeDee Lamb's not going anywhere either. So, and just to put things into perspective, you know, people jumped on the Terrence Parsons suite, which is Micah's brother. But I did some a deep dive into his Twitter.

OK. Just to, you know, kind of make sense of it. That's just a common case that someone took one tweet out of like 20. OK. And put the spotlight on it, because what he had been saying up to that point was positive stuff about Dak. But he did say, look, you know, you have to take a team friendly deal so the team can get better. So I don't necessarily look at that as some trash talking Dak. I feel as a fan, a lot of us feel that same way, too. Plus, this is also in the first blush of losing to the Packers. And he's come back and he's OK. But the CeeDee's mom thing is one, because if you're if you're Tad Prescott, you're Dak's brother, and you see all the trash that constantly gets talked about Dak.

Some from Cowboys fans, the majority of it from not Cowboys fans. You probably wouldn't want your brother to be in that position. Of course not. You know, so you probably want him to go somewhere where he wouldn't have to deal with that. Well, I'll ask Andrew Whitworth about all this.

And now we're number three, won't we? That's coming up. I mean, this is my perspective. Looking at looking at Dak's Spotrek page, a post June 1st trade would actually save the Cowboys thirty four million on the cap. But the issue would be you'd have to make that deal before the new league year, before everybody makes their plans at quarterback. Right.

They have it as a post June, which is the problem is that that that no one would do that, because you've got to get the quarterback in the building immediately. Right. So. Yeah. So that doesn't it doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make any sense. But it's this is Mike McCarthy's problem now, and he's got to handle it. And I'm sure it's been out there in the locker room already. Right. As you know, as I say all the time here, everybody sees this.

There's an iceberg and we only see the tip. You know, but this is Mike McCarthy, you got to you got to get maybe these two guys, Seedy and Dak in a room. But again, it's you got someone's mom saying something. Well, I mean, he had his best season, one of the best seasons in the history, statistically right in football with who?

That Prescott. And you can be offensive player of the year. Well, you can't that's outside. Remember, Trayvon Diggs was saying that his brother. But we always ascribe like you got to get that from somewhere. Well, I think we maybe should stop ascribing and realize that people just have their own mind.

I don't know. And I'm just glad I'm just glad my mom didn't have a Twitter account when Pat McAfee said what he said on the air about ESPN. Could you imagine some of the great tweets that would have happened over the years? You love Lala Kent on Vanderpump Rules. Now get to know her on Give Them Lala. I'm obsessed with the fact that GQ has named Kim Kardashian man of the year. You're upset about it. I suggest you do better than if there were a Cosmo woman of the year and it was a man. How would you feel?

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