REShow: Lavonte David - Hour 3

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Answer, I'm here, right? Earlier on the show, pro football hall of famer Warren Sapp, Lakers head coach Darvin Ham, still to come. Bucks linebacker Lavonte David. And now, it's Rich Eisen. I mean, welcome to hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show.

I don't know what to do with this information to kick off hour number three. I mean, we just had Darvin Ham of the Lakers. He was terrific. And then our hour one conversation with Warren Sapp, who was on a plane, he cursed and hung up.

And that was terrific. And if you missed any of it, you can go to our YouTube page, youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show. But our Twitter account is also a spot where you can see our videos, not only once the show is over, but sometimes during the program. Our crack staff in Sean Mitchell and Jordan Sherrow, they're cutting videos. They're posting them in real time.

We're trying to keep you current while we're on the air, and we appreciate that. And then, you know, at the end of hour one, I pointed out how the Yankees are 46 and 16. They're 30 games above.500 on June 15th, even included today, June 16th. They go for a sweep of the devil race tonight. They can go 31 games above.500.

It's totally crazy. Chris Brockman posts that video and says the Yankees have 46 wins through their first 62 games. This is a fact.

It's also a fact that today's date is June 16th. This was written by Red Sox fan at Chris Brockman. And you're supposed to be more professional than that. I gave all the facts. I mean, I did full disclosure that I wrote it as a fan of the Red Sox.

What did I say wrong in that tweet? OK. Supposed to leave your personal opinions out of it. There's no opinion in that. What I said, you know. I mean, I guess personal opinions are what this show is literally all about. I mean, that too. For three straight hours between 12 and 3 Eastern every day here on Peacocks. I was just getting the people ready for what the gist of the video is about as well.

Got it. Lavonte David's supposed to be calling in right now. Where is Mr. David? Do we know? We don't know. We're efforting his location.

Tom might have kept the guys a little longer at practice. At this point tomorrow, we will not only know who's winning game six and if there is a game seven in the NBA finals. But at this very point tomorrow, I will be turning to the guest chair and I will see Craig Kilborn sitting in it. Kilby. Lord Kilby's coming in here to chop it up about the National Basketball Association. We got a great start bench cut for him.

We got five questions written by our friend, his friend. A blast from our past. We'll just keep it at that for the moment. He's going to be showing up in person tomorrow. Oh, and by the way, that will be just after we say goodbye to our second hour in studio guest, Tracy McGrady. Boy, Friday's show is going to be as the kids stay lit. Are we drinking tomorrow?

Yeah, man. Are we drinking tomorrow? Last time Craig Kilborn was here, we had martinis because we were toasting ESPN's 30th anniversary that neither of us were invited to. 40th. Was it 40th?

Oh, that's right. 40th anniversary. Neither one of us were invited to. They put Dan and Keith back together on Sports Center for that. They invited Toriko back and Toriko left them to go take over NBC Sports essentially. You didn't get invited. No, he got invited back. I didn't. Man, you and Craig doing a Sports Center would be pretty epic.

I have a great relationship with everybody there at ESPN. I know, but still no SB invite. No, nothing. Yeah, that's true. Bizarre. And yet it's not so much. We're so efforting, Lavonte. All right.

Because I could go towards you right now, TJ, and talk about what we were going to talk about later on in this hour. Hold on. Bones ringing. But I do believe he's about calling in right now.

Bones ringing. We're close. Lavonte David's joining us on this program.

So we've got that still to come on this show in this hour. TJ Jefferson, he came up with this idea. Let's have a segment division by division in the NFL.

Greatest players in the history of that franchise. Because we're big on history here, Rich. You know, a lot of younger people, we'd like to let them know the history of the sport. Very good. I appreciate you doing that. And then Lamar Jackson spoke today, and he hasn't spoken publicly in quite some time, certainly about his future and his contract.

So there's all of that. But joining us right now on the Rich Eisen Show, Mercedes-Benz Vans phone line is one of the best linebackers in the game, best defenders in the game. He is a pro bowler from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, joining us back here on the Rich Eisen Show. Lavonte David, how are you, sir? Good afternoon. Good afternoon. How you doing?

I'm doing fine. Did you just get off the field? Where are you? Yeah, I'm home right now. We had a minicamp last week. I just got off the field from workouts, yeah.

Okay. So how was your minicamp last week? How'd that go down? Yeah, minicamp was well.

Very competitive. Got a chance to, you know, just be around the guys. I was real good to be around the guys and have a little fun on the football field. How are things different with Todd Bowles now, the HC?

Lavonte? Oh, for me personally, you know, I dealt with Bowles, you know, obviously past, what, three years. Nothing really, you know, nothing really new for me. You know, I know the type of guy he is. I know what he brings to the table. It just, you know, for the offensive guys to get acclimated with him. But, you know, you're going to get what you're going to get with Bowles now.

He's a great leader, a competitive coach, and all he asks from you is just to be your best, be professional, and be your best effort on the football field. Is there less cursing now? No, just about the same. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, you know, those two guys are very competitive, you know, offensive defensive guys. So Bowles is kind of like the defensive cursing of B.A. Okay.

I mean, to say that you've got the same curse rate as Bruce Arians, that's impressive. I didn't expect that. Yeah. Wow. B.A. probably gave it to him in a lot of volume, but Bowles likes to do it here and there.

Yeah. Bowles strikes me as one of those guys, you know, like he could blow that dart at you. You don't see it coming.

It kind of sticks you in the neck. You don't see it coming from, right? You don't hear him coming, you know. Right, right, right. But it's pretty cool for him, because I know his first opportunities, the HC up in New York City did not work out well for him, or it wasn't as successful as he had wanted. And now he's got this other opportunity, and Arians made sure that it was his opportunity. And I'm wondering what you as a player having known Bowles and seeing what he went through, and then getting him to this position based on your play and how well your side of the football was conducting itself, what you think about him getting the shot now, Lavonta?

Yeah, the whole situation, you know, the way everything turned out was obviously surprising. And you just got to commend BA for, you know, giving his guy a shot, you know, giving Bowles a chance to, you know, take over a football team who's already very talented and a team who guys already know and kind of familiar with Coach Bowles already. And, you know, as far as Coach Bowles is, you know, taking over, I think he's going to do a great job. You know, a lot of guys already respect him. And from what I've seen already, you know, a lot of guys are really happy and ready to play for him. And he has a great plan in place. You know, he's going to be involved on both sides of the ball, offense and defense.

But obviously, you know, he's a defensive guy, defensive mind, so he'll still be around and defensive means stuff like that. So, you know, and for us personally and defensively, I just think, you know, we have a whole bunch of rules for improvement, you know, obviously, you know, they bumped up, you know, Casey Rogers and Larry Foote, the co-defense coordinators, guys who are very familiar with defense. So it should be a fun season for us. We get another year of getting real comfortable in the scheme and understanding what's asked of us.

So it should be fun. I was going to ask you that. How does that work with two guys who are co-DCs? Have you ever had something like that? I believe everybody has their own input on certain things.

You know, things like that. You know, obviously, Bowes is a defensive mind, so it's still kind of hissing, but a lot of those guys have, you know, certain inputs and stuff like that and they get to add in and do what they feel is best for a certain situation, stuff like that. So it's great to have all those guys, you know, work collectively to help for the benefit of the team's defense. So Larry Foote, if it's a tie, it goes to Larry Foote because he's a Michigan guy, right? The tie goes to the Michigan guy there?

Oh, no, I'm not sure, I'm not sure, but that's definitely always a talk. I feel like he's above everybody because he went to Michigan and stuff like that. Mm-hmm, be careful.

Your TB12 could break the tie, too. Those Michigan men, they're everywhere. They're absolutely everywhere. Oh, yeah, they're real tight.

Spy tech as well. Oh, okay, I'll give you that. Lavonte David here on the Rich Eisen Show. What was more surprising, Bruce Arians retiring or Brady unretiring for you?

Uh, that's tough. Maybe, uh, Bruce Arians retiring. You know, with Tom, you kind of, you know, you just kind of felt that, you know, that whole, you know, thing that he put out wasn't really sincere and that he wasn't really going to step away from the game because if you know him personally, you know, he's just an ultimate competitor and the way he went out last year, I'm sure he didn't want to go out that type of way, you know, even though we went out fighting and battling, but obviously you want to go out on top and I'm sure that's not the way he wanted to go out and then, you know, then with BA, you know, you just see BA, you know, he's a great coach and he's definitely always having input on, you know, what's going around in the building and stuff like that and, you know, he's a real, you know, football guy.

You know, just having his presence around is really, really, like, you know, good to have just because, you know, the type of man he is and how he treats his coaches and how he treats his players. So you didn't think he'll be leaving no time soon, but, you know, that's the one that kind of, you know, caught me off guard a little bit, you know, when he gave me the phone call and let me know, you know, it was kind of shocking, but he's still going to be around, so it's definitely great for him too as well. So, yeah, you just didn't think Brady was done?

You just didn't feel him? Nah, nah, nah, I didn't think. I didn't think. Probably maybe, maybe, maybe 7, 30, 80, 20.

What about now? Do you think this is his last year, Lavonte? Lavonte, what's your sense? Uh, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I haven't gotten that sense with him. You know, right now, you know, at Minicamp, I've just seen him come in, you know, working, working very hard, putting the extra work in with a lot of the guys, you know, just trying to get back on, you know, same page with certain guys as far as, you know, working on, you know, route trees and stuff like that. So, for me, I barely sent him, like, he didn't say anything or he didn't do, he didn't, he's not acting like this is going to be his last year. He's acting like he's attacking his year, attacking his year to do one thing, one thing, and that's win the championship.

So there's no, there's no conversation? Well, you know what, I assume you did see how much he's apparently getting paid for his next job, right? Oh, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, I saw that for sure. That's something that probably will probably make it seem like this is his last year, but I'm not sure, man. You never know with that guy, you know. Like I said, he's an ultimate competitor.

I mean, it'll already be there for him. So he might give you a couple more years, but you never know, you never know what's coming. So what's your sense of it, Lavonte, as I get set to send you on your Thursday, what's your sense, I mean, you know what this team looks like when it's championship quality, when it is ready to win, how it can win, and you've won with most of these guys.

What's your sense? Is this a Super Bowl year again for your team, Lavonte? Yeah, I mean, every year, obviously, when you've got a guy like Tom, that quarterback is definitely a Super Bowl. You feel like you can go to the Super Bowl, but even besides that, we feel like we have a great team, we have a great core, we have a great nucleus of guys who bring a certain type of leadership, who bring that certain type of talent to the football to help us get to the Super Bowl. So I really think this could be a year that we could hand to P4 in our championship. And, you know, you saw in many camps, guys, we're competitive, guys, we're, you know, making correct plays, you know, doing what they're supposed to do, carry over to a training camp, and we're going to see from there. But we definitely have that mindset that we should be back there. But as you know, you know, the first four games of the season, they hit us with all playoff opponents, so playoff teams. So, you know, they're definitely trying to keep us from going back there.

But, you know, we're stepping on all the challenges, man, and I'm glad to be a leader of this football team, and I'm definitely glad to take the field with those guys. So I'll just take my shot on this question before letting you go. Are you paying attention to the NBA Finals? If so, what do you think happens game six and wins? What do you think? Oh, yeah, most definitely. I'm playing since the NBA Finals.

No, obviously me. I'm a Heat fan, so I was very disappointed that they really didn't make it to the Finals because, you know, the Southerns knocked us off. But, you know, I'm a Jason Taylor fan because he went to Duke.

I'm a Duke basketball fan, just to let you all know. Why is that? Why is that? Why is that?

Why? Because, you know, growing up, you know, I'm my big brother. My big brother's a Duke fan. He used to always talk about Duke and always watch Duke, so I just became a follower to my big brother, and I just became a Duke fan, and I just took off the mat.

I've been hooked ever since. I even got a chance to go out there and watch a couple games, so it was a really, really, really cool experience. But, and then, you know, Steph Curry, man, I really want Steph to capitalize off this moment off his performance this game. I wanted to win the Finals MVP, so people could start giving him a hard time, but me personally, I do think he's a top 10 basketball player.

You know, he just completely changed the whole dynamic of the game, so you have to include him in the top 10 category. But, you know, it should be a good game. You know, I'm thinking it should go to seven, but I won't be surprised if it's worth it, and it's a damn six. I'm with you. So, Duke plays Nebraska. You root for Duke over Nebraska, Levante, in a hoops game?

Basketball-wise, maybe, yeah, basketball-wise, but football-wise, I'm going to the Blackshirts all day. Oh, I know that. I mean, that I know, because you'd kick its ass in that. For that, that, and that I know. Then, because you're from Miami, that's why you're a Heat fan?

Is that what it is? It's that simple? Okay.

Pretty good, pretty cool. Levante, David, let's chat during training camp. Let's do this again, okay?

Most definitely, most definitely. Oh, did Tom give you guys free product, golf stuff, his new underwear? Did he give you any of that stuff?

You guys have any of that? No, he hasn't, but I'm going to try to get some of that out. I'm going to try to hustle some of that out, because his products do look good. I did buy a couple of shirts, the unfinished business shirts, so I gave him a little shout-out on that, but I'm going to try to get some free stuff. That's a good idea. Absolutely. He's got it. He's got product, man.

He's got inventory. I would do that. I would do that if it were you. Take care of yourself, Levante. We'll chat again soon. Appreciate it. Always. Thank you for having me.

Any time. Truly, I always enjoy chatting with Levante David right here on the Rich Eisen Show. You and him have something in common. You root for Duke. Yeah. No explanation was necessary. Yes, it is.

Of course, it's an explanation. You're from Miami. You go to Nebraska. Why are you a Duke fan? Because he fell in love. You're from the Eastern time zone. Why are you a Duke fan?

I've explained that to you multiple times, as Levante has. Well, he said it was his brother. You say it was Grant Hill, though, right?

Grant Hill for me. Duke fans. People who are Duke fans that didn't go to Duke. You should be ashamed of yourselves. But you should understand, Rich. Be ashamed of yourself. Be ashamed of yourself. You don't go to Duke.

You don't go to Duke and you root for Duke. It's just real tough. Real tough. Real tough sledding. Real tough sledding. Oh, God. We might not win 30 games this year.

Tough sledding. Well, it's not like you would pick a team that sucks the room for it, Rich. Come on, man. I know sometimes your institution of higher learning doesn't have a program.

Yeah, exactly. And you've got to choose a program. So let's choose the winningest program. Real tough. They weren't the winningest in 1990 when I said, hmm, I like this team. They weren't the winningest. They had never won. In 1990 is when you hopped on board that train.

Well, like I said, it was like I saw this guy, Grant Hill, and I knew him because his dad played for the Cowboys. I don't know. I don't know.

They were the Cubs, right? No. They're winning.

Danny Ferry. They're winning. Yeah.

I didn't like them. OK. I like Grant Hill. So Grant Hill arrives. Yeah. When did Grant Hill arrive? Just 1990.

Yeah, 90. And they had never, they never won a national championship before that. Matter of fact, before they got blown up by 33 by UNLV. I remember that.

So Stacey Augman. Plastic. There you go.

Larry Johnson. All right. So you're legit. Everyone else. I'm ashamed. They should be ashamed. They should be ashamed. You're not ashamed.

I'm ashamed. For them. In them.

By them. All right. Let's take a break. I feel better. Phil hit the fairway on one.

Hey. He's teed off. Did they balloon or did they cheer him? I don't know. Check it out.

He got cheers during the practice round. Is he still on shaving and wearing black? Oh, yeah. All black. My gosh.

All black. Barry. Barry.

Geez. Okay. We'll take a break here.

Lamar Jackson has spoken and TJ's about to speak about the AFC All Time Greats. This will be a fun conversation when we come back. Does your antiperspirant keep you dry all day? Dove Men PlusCare Dry Spray goes on instantly dry for a cleaner feel and offers 48 hours sweat and odor protection.

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844-204 Rich is the number to dial on the program. Great ideas are always accepted here. And TJ, you're full of them, not full of it, full of them, which is a big difference between it and them in that statement. You said the other day, let's do a segment where we name the best player in the history of every franchise in the NFL taking it division by division. You're like, wait a minute. Is this Mount Rushmore? No, no.

It's not Mount Rushmore. That's four. That's four. You're boiling it down to one. Yeah. I can't even do the thing that Brockman hates.

The best player in the history of the franchise. Indeed. And so which way do we go about it? Do we just collectively do it? And we said, no, you do it. Your idea. You come up with it. And then we will... React. Yes. React.

Debate. Poop on it. Or... Or say, hey, great job. Great job. Great job. Well, I mean, hopefully better than the golf clap you just provided.

I want that real love. Okay. So NFL films music, I think is necessary. All right. And we're taking it division by division, starting today. We're going to do it every single day. Every day. And we're starting with the AFC East, East Coast, Jets, the Dolphins and the Patriots.

All East Coast teams. Very familiar with them. All right. Hit the music, please. Jay Felley, thank you.

Go for it. You know, guys, like I said, we'd like to be historians here on the show. So we just want to provide some historical football knowledge and, you know, we always want to keep football on our brains here. So that's how this came about.

Yes, sir. AFC East, I'm going to kick this off with the easiest team, and that is Chris Brockman's New England Patriots. Now Patriots, rich history, a lot of great players. And if there was a Mount Rushmore, I would say the Mount Rushmore would include John Medina, Andre Tippett, Ty law, Rob Gronkowski. I mean, there's so many to choose from. But if we're going to narrow it down to the single greatest player to ever done in New England, Patriot uniform, it's very simple.

It's very easy. Steve Grogan, Thomas Edward Brady. There we go. I mean, that's the most that's the easiest answer we're going to have today. Tom Brady and our entire endeavor. Yeah. I don't think an answer or a reason isn't necessary.

Six Super Bowls, quite possibly the goat, not just of his position, not of his team, but perhaps in all of the NFL. OK, now I'm going to switch over. I'm going to go to Larry.

OK, OK, OK. I'm going to go to the Miami Dolphins because I felt this one was pretty simple to, you know, the Dolphins again, the only franchise in the history of the NFL to go undefeated. Think about that going the entire season and not losing a game. But the players not I'm not from that team is not from that team. But like I said, if you were going to name some greats, Jason Taylor would be there. Larry Zonka, Bob Greasy, Larry Little, way too many.

But that single greatest player to put that dolphins helmet on from the Oakland section of Pittsburgh, Mr. Dan Marino. There you go. Come on now.

Damn right now. Are we including coaches in this? No. For player. No, just some players. Just the players.

And again, another thing, you know, not not even necessary to really discuss them real. Never won a Super Bowl, obviously, but his body of work speaks for itself and one of the greatest players of all time. Now we're going to go to the Buffalo Bills. This one got to be a little bit tough. And I know Bill's mafia is watching.

So I want to make sure I get this right. It's a no brainer. You know, like I said, if you were going to compile a Mount Rushmore list of bills, you have a large group of great players, including O.J. Simpson and Thurman Thomas, Cornelius Bennett. And this came down to two players to get this title. And I just broke it down like this. Rich and Chris and Jason, one of the players you can look at and say this guy without question is one of the greatest at his position.

Yes. The other one, very good, but probably not listed in the top 10 are going in the direction that I'm talking. So with all due respect to the great Jim Kelly, you've got to say the greatest Buffalo Bill of all time is Bruce Smith. I mean, one of the most dominant players in the history of you stuck the landings, stuck the landing there. I think, you know, Bruce dominant. And, you know, when people say Aaron Donald is on route on pace to become the greatest defensive player of all time, I kind of sit and go, wait a minute. I did see Bruce Smith playing football. Yeah, he's really excellent. Yep.

All right. Now we're going to come to the Jets. I saved them for last, Rich, because this is your team and I wanted you to feel something about this. You know, the Jets, a lot of really good players, the great players in their, in their, uh, in their history, guys who could, and I'm not knocking them all of fame.

That's what I'm getting to. I said good players, but there are hall of famers. Lots of guys played for the jets, by the way, Mount Rushmore. You have Kevin my wife, Curtis Martin, Curtis Martin, Mark gas, say the name, Don Maynard.

They just say the name. It's coming down to two guys, Chris, and this guy, there were two guys, both of them from the Pittsburgh area, right now, I like the, I would like the way you're thinking now the one guy, I would say led the jets to their greatest season ever, but we're going to say tops of his position, probably never going to be listed. The other guy, you can make a case was the best in football at his position for many, many years. And I was, it came down to a coin toss.

I wanted to really upset you, but then I decided I wouldn't do it. So it's not going to be the real reverse. I'm going to put Joe Willie Namath in as the greatest New York jet ever with all due respect to the real Reavis. The real Reavis made an island after him. The real Reavis had to guard some of the best wide receivers in the game and also emerged the sport. So there's that.

So there you go. So there's my picks, Bruce Smith, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, and Joe Namath. I think that's a terrific list. Bruce Smith is absolutely the best Buffalo bill of all time. And you could have from those years, the dynastic bills teams, a dynasty. They were a dynasty. And of course they just never won the super bowl. Unfortunately, nobody will ever make the super bowl four years in a row. That will never, ever happen again. I won't happen again.

Not in our lifetime. And let me just clear this up. I was obviously, I was joking with you about the jets having good players.

Obviously I'd listened to some great hall of famers, definitely great players there. I don't want to like let our joke go out there. It's okay. I get it.

It's terrific. But Joe, and this is what's so sad about the jets is that Joe Namath is the guy who's the oldest on that list and, and may, may be when it's all said and done, when you're done with all 32 teams, the guy who's been retired the longest of anybody's greatest franchise player, you know, but I'll tell you what, man, you know, obviously Brady's the no brainer and you can go back and forth about some of the great dolphins from the undefeated season years or the Shula years, but Marino, I think is the greatest player in the history of that franchise. If you want to talk about greatest Jewish players, it would be Jay Fiedler at the same position, but it's a different endeavor. That'll be a different day. We'll do that Friday night.

Yeah, I can do that. We'll do that Friday night at Paul Pierce's dinner, you know, but, but, but, but I will say this, I want to say this just to wrap that this, this, this whole thing up. Josh Allen has a chance to unseat Bruce Smith. Yeah. We're talking 15, 16 years down the line.

That is saying a mouthful. That is saying an absolute mouthful out of anybody right now playing in the sport in the AFC East, who has a chance to unseat any of those folks, could Zach Wilson unseat? He wins two Super Bowls, he unseats Joe.

Right? I mean, if he does that in this day and age, you can, you know. So would Josh Allen just have to win one? I think Josh, no, I think Josh Allen would have to win a couple and he'd have to have some MVPs in the case. And he'd have to have 10, 15 years of outstanding longevity, you know, but he has the ability to put together an Aaron Rodgers type career. He has the ability to put together a top notch hall of fame career. He's on that trajectory right now in this day and age of, of the quarterback driven league and somebody who can do it with an arm and legs. He has, he, he, he has the chance. And a heavy lift in the head.

Oh my gosh. Cause to me, again, Bruce Smith was a no brainer. And we're not talking about, you could choose a bunch of guys from the K-gon offense years.

A bunch. Cause my first draft, I had Jim Kelly down and I went, ooh, wait a second. You could do Thurman, you could do, I mean, OJ Simpson in the electric company years, of course. No, I understand that. But Bruce Smith is the greatest Buffalo Bill of all time. I agree.

Okay. Just position wise, looking at that list, it was three for four quarterbacks. You think it's going to be like that for the whole league? Are we going to get 28 quarterbacks? I can tell you just looking ahead, uh, no, they're not Chris.

There's no, I don't think so. I think you're going to see some defensive players. I see a lot of defensive players, certainly if we're talking about the Ravens, obviously the quarterbacks are going to be represented, but it's not just kind of glancing to what I have. This is not a quarterback heavy list. Okay. Like a team like the Vikings, you can go with a defensive player. Just don't get off the top of my head. Well, that's bears, I mean the bears, right? Walter Payton, obviously, I think Seattle gets a wide receiver.

Seattle will be an interesting conversation when we get to that, but we're a long way away. Well done, sir. Good job. Well, thank you, man. I appreciate you guys. I never know.

Sometimes no M&M's didn't poop on any of them call back from our water be helping Brockman potty train his son. You know what that means? I've always been paying attention.

Del Tufo would, I mean, you honestly, now you're showing off. Yeah. Okay. Now you're showing off.

Goat chain. All right. You know what we're going to do here? Here's what we're going to do. We're going to take a break. We'll take a break here and then we'll finish up.

We're going to have a nice big long segment to finish things up to keep everyone through the break. Lamar Jackson has spoken. I have not heard this sound bite yet, but he has spoken about his future in Baltimore.

By the way, which, which division would you like us to do tomorrow? I don't know. Maybe because killers here tomorrow, Craig Kilborn will do the NFC North NFC North. Okay. Because he's a Minnesota guy.

Yep. And according to a little birdie, who we all know very well, the man who runs the Dan Patrick school of broadcasting at Full Sail University, former sports center producer, one of the best ever that I've ever been produced by Gus Ramsey, who knows Craig Kilborn was so well. He came up with the Jumanji and he's not your Vetus, he's our Vetus lines and helped Craig with some of his greatest, apparently Craig mentioned once upon a time, he thinks Mike Zimmer's one of the greatest coaches in the history of the Minnesota, like now that was at the height of the Zimmerness height of the Zimmer's and height of the Zimmerness by the way, was a great Van Morrison song. It's a marvelous night for height of the Zimmerness. Great Van Morrison. That's perfect.

Doesn't that sound like a Van Morrison song game height of the Zimmerness. That was the flip side to Tupelo honey. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, 676.

This is content everybody. So we'll come back and if you missed what Lamar had to say, don't worry. We have got you covered as we set you up for a big Thursday night in sports. Back here on the Rich Eisen show, I just want to let everyone know I am happy to go on busing with the boys and have every intention of doing so and making sure their guy, Jack, I believe gets his Chevy Silverado out of it.

I can use a Silverado. If I show up, apparently he gets a car. I know. And he doesn't miss a day of posting photographs. I am enjoying this. Wow. I'm enjoying this. I am enjoying this. Brockman. I needed.

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One, perfect opportunity. That's what you need when you're drafted in the NFL. You need to go to a spot that not only has the opportunity for you, but also has the coaching staff and the front office and the ownership that isn't out of their minds crazy changing all the time. That has a coach who has the backing of the front office and owner and also the cajones, the Bofas in the middle of your rookie season, sit the guy who won the Super Bowl for your team and throw you in there and change your offense midstream and make it completely centered around your special abilities. That's so rare in this business.

So rare in this business. And it pays off big time. And now he's marching to his own other drum too, which is team wants to pay him. Team wants to pay him and has the opportunity to pay him. And this is why they traded into the first round to go get him, by the way, is they had an extra year of contractual control. This is what we're seeing playing out. Didn't think that in the year of contractual control, extra year of contractual control, that they would be wanting to pay Lamar and Lamar saying, that's supposedly, I'll wait.

Remember we had John Harbaugh around the draft. He's just like, I'll let Lamar handle all that. But you know, we're waiting to get it done.

Right. Kind of on him. We're essentially waiting to get it done and he'll do it at his own pace.

I think what's his will and God's will, I think is what he said. So Lamar didn't show at the voluntary camps and it's just like, what's up with that? Could there be some conversation that isn't going well?

Well, he showed up to the mandatory camp today and spoke for the first time. And this is what he had to say on the subject matter. Oh, we actually did. We did, you know, it's a conversation that's always just keeping it private. You and Eric just doing the one-on-one talking, can you take us through any of that? We're having a conversation.

So. Is it going to continue during the season? We're having a conversation. Do you expect to play the rest of your career? I expect so. Yes, I do. Do you watch the national guys talk? A lot of them say they wouldn't step on the field with your brand of football without a deal. Do you buy into that? No, no, I don't buy into it at all. They not play football, that's what I'm here for. Yeah, I don't get it. I get it.

He is a unicorn, not only on the football field, but in between his temples. And there's no, there is no track record of anybody else having this approach. There just isn't. It's his approach. It's his approach.

It doesn't mean it's a smart one. I don't know. Maybe it's just, we have no, he says there's conversations going on. I don't know what those conversations are.

It doesn't surprise me that we haven't learned anything. I, again, that, that's the most relevant soundbite I have been told. The question I would have asked is the sense is you, you're the one who won't accept the new contract or you don't want to take the contract because you don't feel you're worthy enough yet because you haven't won the Super Bowl, is that accurate? What do you say about that?

Now then, I say this with the ultimate of love. You know how I feel about the Ravens franchise. You know how I feel about Steve Vachotti. He is one of my favorite owners in all of sports. Love the guy.

And what I'm about to say might, might, might upset him, but he knows the score anyway. The floor, floor for Lamar Jackson is $230 million guaranteed dollars. That's the floor because he doesn't have 26 civil lawsuits on him, does he? And he's won an MVP. Now he's only won one playoff game. And I'm just thinking off the top of my head, I think Deshaun, well, Deshaun, I think has a couple.

Am I wrong? They did make the division round game against the, or they beat the Bills and Josh Allen in a game that is still in some dispute to some Buffalo Bills fans. That was a wild playoff game, Josh Allen against Deshaun Watson.

Yeah, Deshaun has one win. There you go. Same number of playoff wins, one more MVP, and to date, 24 fewer civil lawsuits filed against him, $230 million guaranteed dollars would be my opening offer.

What's yours? This is where in my mind, the, the, um, the conversation should start for everybody. That's the problem for everybody trying to pay quarterbacks from now on, which is why, you know, the Bills I'm sure, and the Chiefs I'm sure are all like, we got that under the, and that Matthew Stafford's older and he loves where he is from where he was and the Rams can extend him in the manner in which they extended him. And why this piece of paper is still on my table, the Kyler Murray letter from his agent to the Cardinals, who I still think will strike a deal. Although Cliff Kingsbury says he's praying it's before training camp.

Before the season? Six weeks. That's coming.

Yeah, it's coming. But I'm just, again, is it money? He hasn't, is it the money? Is it the fact he doesn't want it yet? Is it the fact that what, it certainly isn't in the back of his head that he didn't finish the season healthy last year and Tyler Huntley was terrific, right?

I mean, he was really, really good and is a hell of a lot cheaper. He's not even thinking of leverage. He's thinking of nothing. He's just going about, he's a football player and that has served him incredibly well to this point.

And we'll see. That was the ultimate. Remember Joe Flacco, Bashadi said, you know, we're not, we're not, it was the opposite. We're not going to, we're not going to give you the long-term contract, but feel free to, you know, put a Super Bowl trophy on my table and I'll pay you. Boom.

That's what happened. Everybody's like, okay, great season. I, again, long story short, there is no frame of reference when it comes to this quarterback. On the field, there's our guest earlier this week in Michael Vick.

What, what do you want to throw Kyler Murray in this group? But he hasn't won a playoff game. He's not an MVP. I mean, you know, Vick didn't win an MVP either. No, and Michael Vick is, you know, 5'11", 6'0", Lamar's 6'3". Right.

So in terms of his game, there's, there's no frame of reference. Randall Cunningham, really. Maybe. Yeah, that's close. Was Randall an MVP in the league?

No. I mean, this guy's an MVP. And rightfully so. He was the last MVP of this league, not named Aaron Rodgers. Where's Mahomes after that, I don't know off the top of my head, everything seems to bleed together. But the bottom line is he is also has no frame of reference in terms of his contract.

Big old shrug emoji. But he'll be there for the Ravens this fall. It's going to be terrific to watch. Yeah, 23 million this year.

Franchise tag number for 23 is going to be about 30 million. Now then, how about this story that came out of nowhere? Last time we saw him, or I saw him, he was just leaving the Sports Emmy Awards where he was, he earned a nomination for, I guess, what, best emerging talent?

I believe that's the category. Julian Edelman. He says it's possible that he could come back in the NFL.

All right, Jules, you have the floor. Coming back with Brady? Ha. I don't know. We'll see. I got to keep you guys. That's called a teaser.

You know, that's, that's called a little teaser. I learned that from Pete as well. It's the worst season. We've got training camps going on already, sir. Yeah, but who's going to go to OTAs when you're older? Especially nowadays, no one goes to OTAs.

When you can be in Croatia. Nah, we'll see. You know, I'm still, still staying in shape here and there. You never know. But I'd probably go back to the Patriots, honestly. I love the Patriots. Luxboro forever.

Luxboro forever. Okay, so was he on the moon? Where, he was in Croatia. They were just joking. Right. He's in Croatia at a sports conference.

Is that what it was? Yeah, he's doing some kind of tour or something, but I don't believe him. I think he's just joking around. But he'd come back with the Patriots, which makes, I mean, I think he and the Patriots have a relationship, not just playing, but I think outside of it.

I think so. And you, you'd take, you'd take him back. That in a heartbeat. It depends what. Oh, come on, man.

Jules, we're getting. I, I, if he is healthy, you don't, you don't think he could give you some snaps. You didn't think he could give a terrific target to Matt Jones. You don't think Mac to, I don't, 10 to 10 to 11 would, would, would result in a few sixes? I think he probably wouldn't make the team.

You don't think he'd make the team, huh? Wow. Yeah.

I don't know, bro. Well, Reggie Wayne couldn't make the team when Tom was there. I mean, he's 36. It would be, I think it would be tough. It would be tough.

It would be tough. With all due respect, as much as I love Jules, I think he should be a Hall of Famer, but I don't, I don't. You really think he's a Hall of Famer? You really think he's a Hall of Famer? I think he's going to make it. One day. Way down the line. Veterans Committee, whatever, whatever.

His postseason numbers are undeniably all time great. So we know Julian Edelman was in Croatia, everybody. I don't know, man. I'd love to see it. That'd be great.

Let's see it, Jules. It would be cool. If he could play with Tom, then... I mean... A year off for the wide receiver position. Matt Jones could use him. Matt Jones could use...

Doesn't help. If he can give you 10, 15, 20 snaps, let's go. Let's see it. I'd love it. I mean, I'd love to see him try. I just don't think it's...

I'd look like a guy who mulls it every now and then. I don't doubt he's staying in shape. That'll wrap it up for this edition of The Rich Eisen Show. Tracy McGrady and Craig Kilborn in studio on our Friday show. Have a great Game 6 viewing experience, everybody.

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